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| 01:03.01 | CIA-8 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (7 files in 2 dirs): upstream upgrade php to 5.0.4 |
| 01:28.39 | [g2] | jp30 ping |
| 01:46.31 | jp30-work | hi, [g2] |
| 01:47.09 | jp30-work | guess what, unslung exposed a bug in php |
| 01:47.55 | CIA-8 | 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/php.mk sources/php/zend_strtod.patch): workaround for zend_strtod bug |
| 01:50.54 | jacques | jp30-work, :-) |
| 01:53.31 | jp30-work | the php guys had forgotten about big endian arm. hah! |
| 01:58.06 | jp30-work | [g2], i must have missed you - may catch you later from home |
| 02:03.37 | jacques | how dare they! :-) |
| 02:10.39 | [g2] | jacques, did you connect the VCC for the JTAG, is it required ? |
| 02:15.53 | jacques | [g2], not on the usb one |
| 02:16.23 | jacques | but yes on the MAX based one |
| 02:16.31 | jacques | sorry was in other room |
| 02:16.39 | jacques | oops |
| 02:16.42 | jacques | sorry misread |
| 02:16.47 | jacques | thought you were talking about serial |
| 02:16.52 | [g2] | no JTAG |
| 02:17.21 | jacques | I connected my JTAG just as it has on the wiki - I dunno if it's requireed, but I got VCC from bottom of board where serial port is (and GND) |
| 02:17.43 | jacques | hmm I guess that's not exactly on the wiki |
| 02:17.50 | jacques | but that's what I did and it worked :-) |
| 02:18.04 | [g2] | hmmmm maybe I need to connect that over |
| 02:18.12 | [g2] | you used a digilent cable right ? |
| 02:19.33 | jacques | yep, the 2.8V one |
| 02:19.50 | [g2] | yeah... that's the one I've got |
| 02:20.01 | [g2] | I think all the pins are connected but the VCC |
| 02:20.24 | [g2] | I could jumper that over from the serial line |
| 02:25.02 | jacques | yep, that's what I did |
| 02:25.30 | [g2] | OK thx |
| 02:37.54 | [g2] | jacques, did you add the 10K pulldown ? |
| 02:39.44 | [g2] | Hey Tiersten |
| 02:46.54 | jacques | [g2], nope, I added no parts |
| 02:53.20 | jacques | BIAB |
| 02:53.27 | [g2] | hmmm |
| 02:53.29 | [g2] | thx |
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| 03:21.16 | dyoung-web | [g2] ping |
| 03:21.41 | [g2] | dyoung-web, morning :) |
| 03:22.28 | [g2] | dyoung-web, when you hooked up the digilent, did you use the 10K pull-down ? |
| 03:22.32 | dyoung-web | I need to couble check, but I think the vcc is required, because it provides the vccio voltage refernce for the chip inside the JTAG cable. |
| 03:22.51 | dyoung-web | so for a slug, use 3.3V. |
| 03:23.00 | dyoung-web | its all documented on my JTAG pictures page. |
| 03:23.06 | dyoung-web | I didnt use any additional parts. |
| 03:23.24 | [g2] | maybe I just need to hookup VCC better |
| 03:24.24 | [g2] | dyoung-web, I've got Good News / Bad News on the FAT slug |
| 03:25.04 | dyoung-web | just checked, the NL17SZ125 is powered by the pin1 VCC, so you need to connect it. |
| 03:25.27 | [g2] | THX |
| 03:25.41 | dyoung-web | or is it pin6.... well you get the idea. |
| 03:26.07 | dyoung-web | so whats the good news? |
| 03:26.42 | [g2] | serial, 64MB, APEX work GREAT |
| 03:26.49 | dyoung-web | okay, whats the bad news? |
| 03:27.17 | [g2] | The rework looks good to me, but it's 2X or 3X the cost I had hoped for :( |
| 03:27.37 | dyoung-web | oh, like $50 ? |
| 03:27.41 | dyoung-web | Plus |
| 03:27.47 | dyoung-web | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.54 | dyoung-web | stupid cgiirc. |
| 03:27.54 | [g2] | Plus :( and that's just the labor |
| 03:28.56 | dyoung-web | Makes sense to me, minimum .5hr charge right? |
| 03:29.29 | dyoung-web | maybe if you do 20 of them the per unit price will be less? |
| 03:29.37 | [g2] | well I'll be following up but right now it looks like it takes 2 hours |
| 03:29.49 | [g2] | I got 10, 25, and 50 piece pricing |
| 03:29.52 | dyoung-web | HANH? |
| 03:29.59 | dyoung-web | 2hrs per unit?! |
| 03:30.07 | dyoung-web | what does that include? |
| 03:30.07 | [g2] | nod. |
| 03:30.29 | [g2] | serial, JTAG, and memory upgrade |
| 03:30.35 | jacques | hmmm |
| 03:30.40 | jacques | how well do you know these ppl? |
| 03:30.56 | dyoung-web | I'm rather suprised at the time estimate. |
| 03:31.00 | [g2] | brand new, just met them |
| 03:31.11 | jacques | methinks they may be taking you for a ride |
| 03:31.29 | [g2] | I doubt that |
| 03:31.40 | [g2] | the did the first unit for free :) |
| 03:31.56 | jacques | what takes so long? |
| 03:31.58 | dyoung-web | Its free the first time. |
| 03:32.05 | jacques | are they stacking chips? |
| 03:32.13 | [g2] | no replace chips |
| 03:32.17 | [g2] | no replaced chips |
| 03:32.21 | jacques | that's faster |
| 03:32.23 | dyoung-web | after that, its $60 for a bag. ;-) |
| 03:32.25 | [g2] | 8M16s with 16M16s |
| 03:32.32 | jacques | well, I say ask around |
| 03:32.41 | jacques | see what other ppl think about that time |
| 03:32.47 | dyoung-web | Ask ka6sox how long it took him to replace the chips. |
| 03:32.51 | jacques | ppl who should know |
| 03:32.56 | dyoung-web | he just did one for me. |
| 03:33.05 | jacques | well he's not a professional board reworker is he? |
| 03:33.11 | jacques | (or is he?) |
| 03:33.29 | dyoung-web | I dunno, he has a rework station. |
| 03:33.38 | dyoung-web | but he may not be an expert at it. |
| 03:33.51 | jacques | for ppl that rework boards all day long, I think 0.5 hours sounds about right |
| 03:33.53 | [g2] | ka6sox has always been very busy for me |
| 03:34.21 | [g2] | the SLUG I sent him in Jan/Feb is still AWOL |
| 03:34.29 | dyoung-web | I think 30min is not out of line for the chip replacement. |
| 03:34.50 | [g2] | I was thinking in the .5-1 hour range also |
| 03:34.59 | [g2] | but hell I'm SW guy |
| 03:35.14 | [g2] | it takes me like 3 hours to do the 4-pin header |
| 03:35.16 | dyoung-web | Well, someone was teaching how to stack. |
| 03:35.39 | dyoung-web | with a rework station removing the old parts should take around 30 seconds. |
| 03:35.59 | [g2] | then you should clean the holes |
| 03:36.00 | dyoung-web | pasting /heating the new one on shouldnt take more than 15min each. |
| 03:36.06 | dyoung-web | what holes? |
| 03:36.10 | [g2] | pads |
| 03:36.21 | [g2] | then inspection |
| 03:37.13 | dyoung-web | okay 10minutes for inspection. so maybe an hour. |
| 03:38.45 | dyoung-web | I think if I were spending that much, I'd spend a little more and get it with 128MB. |
| 03:39.10 | jacques | at those prices I'd do the serial and jtag myself |
| 03:39.11 | [g2] | I think if we're spending that much we should roll our own boards |
| 03:39.45 | [g2] | I think the avila boards would be cheaper |
| 03:40.13 | dyoung-web | around the same price right? |
| 03:40.20 | dyoung-web | except the avila has a minipci |
| 03:40.29 | [g2] | right |
| 03:40.33 | dyoung-web | insetad of USB2 |
| 03:40.36 | [g2] | and no usb2 |
| 03:41.14 | [g2] | to me $150 is a hard limit for developers |
| 03:41.59 | [g2] | I mean I spend $400 for a AMD64, Mobo and 512MB of 400Mhz DDR |
| 03:42.14 | [g2] | with a fast disk that does nearly 400Mbs |
| 03:42.55 | [g2] | especially with the new C7's and all the stuff around the corner |
| 03:47.29 | dyoung-web | wow, was just reading about it. |
| 03:47.37 | dyoung-web | the low power mode isnt too bad. |
| 03:48.27 | [g2] | my take is that this market is going to be limited on the upper-end by mini/nano/... -itx and even the PC market |
| 03:49.03 | dyoung-web | and power. |
| 03:49.21 | dyoung-web | unless someone starts making low power PC perpheral devices |
| 03:49.24 | [g2] | so except for custom applications or fanless low-power it's gonna get squeezed |
| 03:50.00 | dyoung-web | So, The Man wins again. |
| 03:50.18 | [g2] | nah.. |
| 03:52.33 | [g2] | dyoung-web, so what's your fatslug look like memory config wise ? |
| 03:52.50 | [g2] | are you running stacked 8M16 with an extra CS ? |
| 03:54.24 | dyoung-web | I just sent him 16M16's since stacking didnt seem to work so well. |
| 03:54.52 | dyoung-web | so it will be the single bank of 16M16. |
| 04:02.36 | [g2] | hey dyoung-web and jacques can you run the following for me ? |
| 04:02.40 | [g2] | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=8k count=125000 |
| 04:02.46 | dyoung-web | on what target? |
| 04:02.51 | [g2] | slug |
| 04:03.01 | [g2] | 125000+0 records in |
| 04:03.01 | [g2] | 125000+0 records out |
| 04:03.01 | [g2] | real 0m 16.07s |
| 04:03.01 | [g2] | user 0m 0.23s |
| 04:03.01 | [g2] | sys 0m 15.85s |
| 04:03.38 | [g2] | it runs about 2.5 seconds faster on the avila |
| 04:04.29 | dyoung-web | Unslung: real 5.007s, 3.330s, sys=5.730s |
| 04:04.52 | dyoung-web | 4.730 even |
| 04:04.54 | [g2] | Huh ? |
| 04:05.11 | dyoung-web | time dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=8k count=125000 |
| 04:05.12 | dyoung-web | 125000 0 records in |
| 04:05.12 | dyoung-web | 125000 0 records out |
| 04:05.12 | dyoung-web | real 0m5.007s |
| 04:05.12 | dyoung-web | user 0m0.330s |
| 04:05.14 | dyoung-web | sys 0m4.730s |
| 04:05.31 | [g2] | you've got the bs=8k in there right ? |
| 04:05.38 | dyoung-web | see above. |
| 04:06.53 | [g2] | Hmm..... |
| 04:07.23 | [g2] | Sounds like something isn't setup right |
| 04:07.43 | dyoung-web | wheres your rootfs? |
| 04:07.55 | [g2] | memstick |
| 04:08.01 | [g2] | /dev/sda1 |
| 04:08.08 | dyoung-web | hard drive for me. wonder if that makes a differnce. |
| 04:08.29 | [g2] | try swapoff |
| 04:09.17 | dyoung-web | The wiley does this: |
| 04:09.19 | dyoung-web | real 0m 14.72s |
| 04:09.19 | dyoung-web | user 0m 0.68s |
| 04:09.19 | dyoung-web | sys 0m 14.04s |
| 04:10.10 | [g2] | P4 does this :) |
| 04:10.13 | [g2] | real 0m0.267s |
| 04:10.13 | [g2] | user 0m0.047s |
| 04:10.13 | [g2] | sys 0m0.219s |
| 04:10.49 | [g2] | I think the amd64 will be faster too |
| 04:13.06 | dyoung-web | after turn off swap I get similar results. |
| 04:13.38 | [g2] | hm... Interesting |
| 04:13.52 | dyoung-web | I dont have a openslug box to try this on right now. |
| 04:13.59 | dyoung-web | not one I can get to anways. |
| 04:14.05 | [g2] | ok |
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| 04:16.31 | dyoung-web | rwhitby-web: Can you re-forward me that zd1211 stuff please? |
| 04:16.35 | dyoung-web | I never received it. |
| 04:16.49 | dyoung-web | but you should recieve a serial cable in around 5 days. |
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| 04:21.12 | [g2]-amd64 | real 0m0.191s |
| 04:21.12 | [g2]-amd64 | user 0m0.032s |
| 04:21.12 | [g2]-amd64 | sys 0m0.156s |
| 04:23.02 | rwhitby-web | dyoung: msg me the email address to use |
| 04:23.22 | rwhitby-web | dyoung-web: how much do I owe you? msg me the paypal address too |
| 04:28.08 | rwhitby-web | dyoung-web: resent to your rr.com address |
| 04:28.18 | rwhitby-web | (previous one was to gmail.com) |
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| 04:40.09 | jp30 | [g2], ping? |
| 04:40.17 | [g2] | jp30, pong |
| 04:40.29 | jp30 | you wanted to talk to me earlier? |
| 04:40.41 | [g2] | I was wondering about running some apache/thttp/php benchmarks on a 64MB slug |
| 04:41.28 | jp30 | hmm... apache, mysql, and php could probably benefit from more real ram |
| 04:42.10 | jp30 | the only testing i've down on them has been pretty informal though |
| 04:44.02 | jp30 | what would you like to know? i can suggest some applications that might benefit from the extra ram if that would help |
| 04:44.39 | [g2] | well you've worked with it a bunch more than have |
| 04:45.18 | [g2] | just chatting about an approach and usnlung versus openslug testing I think would be a good start |
| 04:46.16 | dyoung-web | Ah, okay I havnt check the gmail for a while.. |
| 04:46.32 | [g2] | It's a big area IMHO, maybe we could start a wiki page and ppl could contribute ideas and test scenarios ? |
| 04:46.48 | jp30 | seems like a good idea. |
| 04:47.15 | [g2] | I'd also like to benchmark the avila IXP422 with 64MB |
| 04:47.47 | jp30 | one thing i've found is that mediawiki's mmcache is useless because of lack on memory on unslung / slug. would be interesting to know if it would work better on a fat slug |
| 04:48.20 | [g2] | nod. I'd think we'd want to start with some basic disk benchmarks |
| 04:49.02 | [g2] | surely flashstick, cornice drive, 7200 RPM drives are going to perform differently |
| 04:49.04 | dyoung-web | Was there interseted in a fatslugged unslung? |
| 04:49.44 | [g2] | dyoung-web, a funny thing happened with my fatslug testing today |
| 04:50.01 | dyoung-web | It sucked too much power and the brick cooked? |
| 04:50.22 | [g2] | I booted with APEX and the kernel wasn't passed a memory parameter and it knew to use 64MB |
| 04:50.28 | jp30 | [g2] agree it would be nice to know about disk vs flash stick performance. slug as diskless webserver is a great application |
| 04:50.45 | dyoung-web | that sounds about right.... |
| 04:51.02 | dyoung-web | its inline with what dsaxena said earlier. |
| 04:51.06 | [g2] | which means with Unslung and no paramter unslung would run with 64MB right and APEX |
| 04:51.22 | dyoung-web | supposedly. |
| 04:51.43 | dyoung-web | also supposedly for the dyoung modifed redboot. |
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| 04:52.02 | dyoung-web | if people wish to keep redboot recovery as an option. |
| 04:52.18 | [g2] | nod |
| 04:52.48 | [g2] | it's kinda funny to me because I've flashed APEX 50+ times and I STILL don't have JTAG on the slug |
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| 04:53.25 | [g2] | I did have RedBoot replacment on the avila and it was all tested out there first |
| 04:53.29 | jp30 | [g2] you must be not your own friend. "friends don't let friends" and all that |
| 04:53.58 | [g2] | jp30 I had it on the avila and all was tested there first, and then in memory on the slug |
| 04:54.51 | [g2] | I may be just a VCC pin away from it right now.. there's some more checking needed |
| 04:55.21 | rwhitby-web | dyoung-web: how much for the cable and shipping? Was it $15 or so ? |
| 04:57.20 | eno | jp30, heads up: although not ready for testing, i got erlang cross built |
| 04:57.45 | jp30 | eno, good news. that will save 16 hours of processor time on the official build machine |
| 04:58.02 | jp30 | let me know when it's ready to test |
| 04:58.04 | jacques | heh |
| 04:58.21 | eno | it's not as difficult as i thought |
| 04:59.11 | eno | basically build a host version first. I'm wondering this general technique can be used for other hard to cross-build packages |
| 04:59.55 | jp30 | if you can make it work for emacs and xemacs, i will be very thankful |
| 05:00.53 | eno | so the next long weekend is july 4th, i may take a shot at these then |
| 05:00.54 | jacques | eno, that technique is widely used, for example by oe |
| 05:01.07 | jacques | emacs however is another matter entirely |
| 05:01.23 | jacques | it uses dump |
| 05:01.30 | rwhitby-web | yeah, the whole dumping thing |
| 05:01.35 | jp30 | ulch |
| 05:01.57 | jacques | thank rms |
| 05:02.04 | rwhitby-web | Anyone have good or bad reports about Powerware UPS's ? |
| 05:02.07 | jacques | im sure it seemed like a good idea at the time |
| 05:02.28 | eno | not an emacs user myself, what is the "dump" |
| 05:02.33 | eno | ? |
| 05:02.58 | rwhitby-web | I'm looking at this one: http://www.powerware.com/UPS/5110_UPS.asp |
| 05:03.21 | rwhitby-web | to sit near the floor of slug-central and have all the power packs plugged into it. |
| 05:03.36 | [g2] | jp30 so if you get a minute can you jot down and note or two about the web server benchmarking and configs ? |
| 05:04.16 | [g2] | rwhitby-web, winner-take-all they all stand or all fall |
| 05:04.20 | [g2] | :) |
| 05:04.41 | jacques | rwhitby-web, I'm not familiar with that brand |
| 05:05.00 | jp30 | [g2], i'm not totally sure what you want. advice about where the bottlenecks are i can give; mechanical ways of testing for speed i know little about |
| 05:05.32 | [g2] | jp30, ok. |
| 05:05.47 | rwhitby-web | jacques: the form factor is the big thing. I need something with normal outlet sockets that can handle plug packs, not the standard IEC sockets that you get on most UPS's. |
| 05:05.47 | jp30 | eno, i think what emacs is doing is storing an image of its internal state in full machine dependent glory to disk |
| 05:05.50 | [g2] | I'm sure will get it worked out over time |
| 05:06.24 | jp30 | [g2], would it help if i wrote up a bit on the wiki about how i configured apache, php, eaccelerator and why? |
| 05:06.41 | [g2] | jp30, *absolutley* |
| 05:06.46 | jacques | rwhitby-web, it looks nice in the photo - and yes, mine have 4 regular and 2 "wall wart" sockets |
| 05:06.47 | jp30 | ok, will do |
| 05:06.51 | [g2] | THX |
| 05:08.00 | eno | jp30, thx for the explanation |
| 05:09.14 | jacques | it does it to reduce list file parsing at startup |
| 05:09.18 | jacques | lisP |
| 05:10.13 | jp30 | jacques, i take it there's no way to get an emacs to write out a dump in a foreign byte-order / word-size / alignment? |
| 05:10.39 | jacques | I've never heard of one |
| 05:10.50 | jacques | there is an explanation here: http://www.xemacs.org/Documentation/21.5/html/lispref_66.html |
| 05:11.01 | jp30 | hmm. it is like nethack then. "great minds think alike" |
| 05:11.35 | jacques | hmm wan't that one of stallman's too? |
| 05:11.45 | jacques | here's a thing |
| 05:12.03 | jacques | too much trouble probably, but you could cross-build temacs, and then only do the dump stel on the slug |
| 05:12.09 | jacques | dump steP |
| 05:12.13 | jp30 | i was just going to say |
| 05:12.23 | jacques | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.28 | jp30 | that's the technique i used for pear, too |
| 05:12.45 | jacques | pear? |
| 05:13.43 | jp30 | PHP Extension and Application Repository |
| 05:14.31 | jp30 | emacs takes a long time to compile and it's x11 support needs work, so it would be useful to have it cross-compiling |
| 05:16.14 | rwhitby-web | jacques: what UPS do you have? |
| 05:24.17 | jacques | rwhitby-web, I have three APC Back-UPS XS 1500 |
| 05:25.18 | jacques | I've always bought that brand (APC) not like thei'r the best in the worls or anything, but they've worked fine - I've probably have about 7 of their devices - I bought these because I wore the batteries out on my last (smaller) ones |
| 05:25.49 | jacques | damn I can't type tonight |
| 05:28.09 | jacques | the batteries wore out after about 5 years |
| 05:28.14 | jacques | of constant use |
| 05:28.28 | jacques | the 1500's are new as of last year |
| 05:28.31 | jacques | (to me) |
| 05:29.41 | rwhitby-web | yeah, I have a height restriction, so form factor is the main thing |
| 05:29.44 | rwhitby-web | ok, back later |
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| 05:30.25 | [g2] | nite all |
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| 10:07.09 | dyoung | anyone around? |
| 10:07.17 | dyoung | okay lets qualify that. |
| 10:07.23 | dyoung | jacques or rwhitby around? |
| 10:30.08 | copperbeech | I have just been surprised by getting an email from Andrew Tridgell in my mail box... |
| 10:30.45 | copperbeech | unfortunately not as exciting as I thought when I realised it was a post to the appWeb mailing list |
| 10:31.12 | copperbeech | http://www.mbedthis.com/pipermail/appweb-dev/2005-June/thread.html |
| 10:31.31 | copperbeech | apparently looks like they are using appweb for some part of samba 4. |
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| 12:11.30 | mr_claus | hmm, i finished working with my nslu2 2 days ago and now i cannot login with ssh again |
| 12:11.43 | mr_claus | no web frontend |
| 12:11.44 | rwhitby | jbowler-zzz: we'll also have to handle the update of /boot with update-kernel too, as ipkg will only do it on the external rootfs, and it needs to be updated in the jffs2 |
| 12:11.46 | mr_claus | no ssh |
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| 12:21.18 | mr_claus | which could be the right password, is there a default password which is being used with dropbear ssh? |
| 12:21.26 | mr_claus | i have set the password but i cannot login |
| 12:30.17 | copperbeech | mr_claus: have you read through http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/UseDropBearForRemoteAccess |
| 12:30.28 | copperbeech | or http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/UseOpenSSHForRemoteAccess |
| 12:32.25 | mr_claus | copperbeech: yes i have read a few weeks ago as i started but perhaps something has changed with the last upgrade |
| 12:33.17 | copperbeech | ok - these howtos set-up dropbear and open-ssh not to accept password verification, only key verification |
| 12:33.27 | copperbeech | that might be something woth checking. |
| 12:33.50 | mr_claus | copperbeech: hmm, but it worked with password verfication 2 days ago |
| 12:34.18 | copperbeech | ok - what exactly did you upgrade? |
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| 12:42.54 | mr_claus | copperbeech: i upgraded nothing, i run passwd and it worked, today its not working anymore |
| 12:43.11 | mr_claus | copperbeech: but i think anything was changed but i cannot say what i changed |
| 12:43.37 | mr_claus | copperbeech: is there a way use passwords instead of keys? |
| 12:43.59 | copperbeech | changing passwords is a bit tricky - I assume you followed the ins and outs described in the wiki at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/ChangePasswordsFromTheCommandLine |
| 12:44.52 | copperbeech | I think dropbear and openssh default to use of passwords... the two howtos for dropbear and openssh above change the configuration to use keys for security reasons when opening up the slug to the internet. |
| 12:53.51 | mr_claus | but should dropbear not take the passwords from /opt/etc/password instead of /usr/local/passwd and /share/hdd/conf/passwd? |
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| 12:54.13 | mr_claus | or is /opt/etc/passwd == /etc/passwd if unslung was done? |
| 12:55.24 | mr_claus | or is /share/hdd/conf/passwd linked to /opt/etc/passwd? |
| 13:01.54 | copperbeech | if you look at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/ChangePasswordsFromTheCommandLine it shows which are individual files and which are links... either way they all need to be the same. |
| 13:02.19 | copperbeech | sorry I meant : http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/FAQ#faq7 |
| 13:05.16 | mr_claus | is the FAQ 4.20 ready? it seems that with 4.20 the files are in /share/hdd/data instead of /share/hdd/conf |
| 13:08.52 | copperbeech | The FAQ may not detail that but it was a change which was made in 4.20 to default the /opt folder onto the data partition where there was more space for installing packages. |
| 13:09.33 | copperbeech | have you done a > find / -name 'passwd' ? |
| 13:09.58 | mr_claus | copperbeech: at the moment i have no running nslu2 |
| 13:10.19 | mr_claus | copperbeech: but i will switch off the disk and reboot and switch it on again |
| 13:10.22 | copperbeech | because the password issue? |
| 13:12.31 | mr_claus | yes, and the web interface is not running too, i dont know why |
| 13:12.40 | mr_claus | so i cannot telnet into my box |
| 13:14.38 | mr_claus | /etc/passwd |
| 13:14.38 | mr_claus | /usr/bin/passwd |
| 13:14.38 | mr_claus | /usr/local/passwd |
| 13:14.38 | mr_claus | find: /proc/9/fd: No such file or directory |
| 13:14.55 | mr_claus | /etc/passwd |
| 13:14.55 | copperbeech | can you even see your box ? is the ip address correct? |
| 13:14.57 | mr_claus | /usr/bin/passwd |
| 13:14.59 | mr_claus | /usr/local/passwd |
| 13:15.10 | mr_claus | yes because i can use ssh but i cannot login |
| 13:15.44 | copperbeech | have you tried booting it without disks attached and trying the web interface then? |
| 13:16.23 | copperbeech | (with no disks attached it will be the default passwords "uNSLUng" for telnet and "admin" for the web site IIRC |
| 13:17.00 | mr_claus | yes of course, booted now without disks attached, activated telnet with the webinterface and login |
| 13:17.10 | mr_claus | i plugged in the disk after the boot process |
| 13:17.22 | mr_claus | not i have to repair the things are not working |
| 13:17.44 | copperbeech | ok - and then can the lines you pasted above gibe the results of the find / -name 'passwd' ? |
| 13:17.51 | copperbeech | gibe = give |
| 13:18.06 | mr_claus | yes, but i did a mistake with posting |
| 13:18.13 | mr_claus | /etc/passwd |
| 13:18.13 | mr_claus | /usr/bin/passwd |
| 13:18.13 | mr_claus | /usr/local/passwd |
| 13:18.13 | mr_claus | find: /proc/9/fd: No such file or directory |
| 13:18.21 | mr_claus | hmm, something wrong here |
| 13:18.45 | mr_claus | hmm, yes the / at the beginning perhaps :) |
| 13:19.12 | mr_claus | doesn't matter, so i will copy the /etc/passwd to all other locations now? |
| 13:19.44 | copperbeech | I would say so - as per the wiki http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/ChangePasswordsFromTheCommandLine |
| 13:19.46 | mr_claus | but what i need to know, which version will be used by dropbear? |
| 13:21.48 | copperbeech | good question - not sure. But should not matter if they are all the same. |
| 13:21.56 | copperbeech | They all should be the same. |
| 13:22.23 | copperbeech | As I mentioned before I have never faced this problem because I use public/private key pairs. |
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| 13:35.41 | mr_claus | ok, copied the password and rebooted without a disks connected |
| 13:35.51 | mr_claus | no web interface, no telnet |
| 13:35.53 | mr_claus | :/ |
| 13:36.04 | mr_claus | but i can ping the machine |
| 13:39.08 | mr_claus | ok, i will continue that work on weekend, thx for your help |
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| 20:55.57 | copperbeech | I've just managed to get linux installed on my laptop and have got the build tree from CVS... but... |
| 20:56.16 | copperbeech | when I type make toolchain it is failing with an error: |
| 20:57.11 | copperbeech | tar: /home/mcneillm/unslung/toolchain: cannot chdir: No such file or directory |
| 20:57.18 | copperbeech | anyone out there got any ideas? |
| 20:58.06 | llagendijk | are you using the same userid as when you retieved the build tree from cvs? |
| 20:58.22 | dyoung | make directories |
| 20:58.27 | copperbeech | no - but I did a chown so it was equivalent. |
| 20:58.46 | dyoung | "make directories" rather. |
| 20:58.47 | llagendijk | just to be sure: cd /home/mcneillm/unslung/toolchain |
| 20:58.47 | copperbeech | aaaahhh make directories!!! |
| 20:59.03 | copperbeech | dir mkdir toolchain and it seems to be off now. |
| 20:59.16 | copperbeech | what should I make first before the toolchain? |
| 20:59.29 | dyoung | "directories" . :-) |
| 20:59.39 | copperbeech | what about the make ipkg ? |
| 21:00.01 | dyoung | I think it makes that as a dependency later. |
| 21:02.05 | copperbeech | gosh it's so fast compared to the slug! |
| 21:02.45 | dyoung | uh huh. |
| 21:03.11 | copperbeech | This experience of tweaking a .mk file ha been a real "horse-shoe nail" job! |
| 21:03.24 | dyoung | learning is fun. |
| 21:03.56 | copperbeech | I've been having to learn GRUB, Knoppix, Debian, XP multiboot etc etc etc |
| 21:04.29 | copperbeech | yeah it's been kind of fun in a sadistic way. |
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| 21:06.11 | Christopher | my second slug came yesterday :-) |
| 21:06.22 | copperbeech | what you going to do with it? |
| 21:06.36 | Christopher | use it with openslug, possibly make a fatslug out of it |
| 21:06.49 | Christopher | this way I can run openslug and unslung at the same time |
| 21:07.12 | copperbeech | I'm still on unslung 3.18 - I haven't had the time to go back to basics and install 4.20 |
| 21:07.25 | Christopher | I think i'll run most of my applications on one box and then have only apache running on the other |
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| 21:07.45 | copperbeech | [g2] hey!! |
| 21:07.56 | Christopher | yeah, i haven't installed 4.20 yet |
| 21:08.02 | [g2] | copperbeech, hey! |
| 21:08.33 | copperbeech | I've just managed to get Knoppix installed to a harddisk and dual booting - the toolchain is making itself as we speak... |
| 21:08.43 | copperbeech | [g2] what's the news |
| 21:08.49 | [g2] | copperbeech cool! |
| 21:09.06 | [g2] | you probably don't need to dual boot |
| 21:09.15 | [g2] | but that's nice too :) |
| 21:09.25 | copperbeech | he he - I do. It's not my laptop and work needs XP. |
| 21:09.46 | copperbeech | I was booting off a CD but of course it's non-persistent |
| 21:10.00 | [g2] | no I meant you only would need one or two linux partitions and no Linux install :) |
| 21:10.30 | [g2] | there's an option for having persistent info (on the said partition) :) |
| 21:10.57 | jp30-work | copperbeech, congrats on getting the cross build system working |
| 21:11.10 | copperbeech | hmmm yes but i just thought I might as well install it to the partition. I didn't have to change the MBR because I am using grldr and adding the Grub bootloader to the Windows XP boot.ini which is a really nice option |
| 21:11.49 | jp30-work | we'll be seeing a cross-built php enabled appweb 2.0.0 with singing and dancing and doing your dishes for you soon? |
| 21:12.20 | [g2] | jp30-work, I was looking on the wiki for those apache notes :) |
| 21:12.28 | copperbeech | he he - I need to pick your brains about that php one day when I get back up the "call-stack" from GRUB to appWeb again. |
| 21:13.41 | [g2] | do you guys know if there's a way to securely tunnel the ipk stuff ? |
| 21:13.44 | jp30-work | [g2], i'll get to them |
| 21:14.08 | [g2] | jp30-work, nod. I'll be gone for most of the weekend |
| 21:15.30 | copperbeech | [g2] if you want any help with testing of the knoppix iso - let me know. I'm also intending to write some wiki stuff alongside it when it becomes available. |
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| 21:17.06 | [g2] | copperbeech, ok. Right now I'm unsure what the best way to create the swap and data area is |
| 21:17.11 | [g2] | on an NTFS system |
| 21:17.41 | copperbeech | what are the options |
| 21:18.17 | [g2] | there's some chant at creates and image in a single file which can be used for swap |
| 21:18.41 | [g2] | we could basically do that twice (one for swap the other for data) |
| 21:18.48 | [g2] | that's option a) |
| 21:18.56 | copperbeech | ok |
| 21:19.22 | [g2] | option b) is tell'm to use ghost/norton and make some space on a partition avialable |
| 21:19.34 | copperbeech | isn;t there a problem getting write access to NTFS? |
| 21:19.39 | [g2] | option c) is plug in an extrnal USB 2.0 drive and do it all there |
| 21:19.56 | [g2] | I think with option a) you can do it to a single file or two |
| 21:20.03 | copperbeech | I went for (b) |
| 21:20.09 | [g2] | nod. |
| 21:20.24 | [g2] | you went b+ where you actually dual boot |
| 21:20.26 | copperbeech | One thing I have been doing is booting from the ISO on an NTFS drive |
| 21:21.15 | copperbeech | Well I booted from the ISO and did an HD install to the partition and then sussed out grub to boot that partition... calling grub from XP boot.ini |
| 21:21.28 | copperbeech | I think the problem is that there are too many options. |
| 21:21.52 | [g2] | right, you could just boot from the iso, install the persistent data and on subsequent boots just use that |
| 21:21.52 | copperbeech | Is our intention to select one and then leave the other options open to the expert user? |
| 21:22.08 | [g2] | then you wouldn't need the dual-boot stuff |
| 21:22.47 | [g2] | an olive |
| 21:23.04 | llagendijk | jp30-work, did you make any progress with apache? |
| 21:23.09 | copperbeech | I think that the baseline should be to boot from an ISO - either from a CD or from an image - I can write a wiki for that |
| 21:23.54 | copperbeech | the question is about the dynamic data and how best to manage that... how realistic is it to have data partiton files on NTFS? |
| 21:24.17 | [g2] | it's a single file that's loop mounted |
| 21:24.40 | copperbeech | yep - but what about the write access to NTFS? |
| 21:24.59 | [g2] | I don't think that's ready for prime-time yet |
| 21:25.17 | [g2] | if it was/is then there'd be no need to create the file/partition |
| 21:25.22 | copperbeech | no that's my underatanding too.. so that crosses out option (a) |
| 21:25.49 | [g2] | I think there's a way to do it with a single file or two |
| 21:25.53 | copperbeech | so now the question is between option (b) or option (c) and to be honest I think we need to support both |
| 21:26.06 | jacques | hmm, i just read something about NTFS write the other day |
| 21:26.09 | [g2] | meaning for swap or for a loop mount partition you'd create 1 or 2 files |
| 21:26.19 | copperbeech | yes? how do you see it? |
| 21:26.21 | [g2] | and it's only accessing information associated with those files |
| 21:26.26 | jacques | it was a FAQ - apparently there are two completely separate NTFS drivers |
| 21:27.17 | copperbeech | I think I remember - one has some read-write capabilities - but immature and only limited to already existing files, the other was a wrapper around a windows file |
| 21:27.34 | [g2] | my guess at how it works is it's just accessing the data of the file and not chaning the filesystem at all |
| 21:27.48 | [g2] | nod. |
| 21:27.50 | jacques | someone understands NTFS, because ntfs-resize works perfectly |
| 21:27.57 | jacques | you dont even have to defrag anymore |
| 21:28.16 | copperbeech | How reliable is it? |
| 21:28.26 | jacques | from everything I have read, extremely |
| 21:28.52 | jacques | as in no known failures other than human error |
| 21:28.55 | copperbeech | What about having a 0.1 release which supports options (b) and (c) and leaving option (a) for 0.2 ? |
| 21:29.00 | [g2] | if that's avialable then if the user has space and a free partition then they can resize ntfs and create the new partition |
| 21:29.22 | jacques | ubuntu has the resize capability as part of their install |
| 21:29.23 | [g2] | this is all a work-in-rapid-progress |
| 21:29.27 | jacques | (using ntfs0resize) |
| 21:29.33 | jacques | ntfs-resize |
| 21:30.12 | copperbeech | [g2] don't you use an external USB drive for the persistent stuff? |
| 21:30.26 | [g2] | copperbeech, it can be on a local drive |
| 21:30.28 | jacques | I used the ubuntu install disc to resize the NTFS partition on my T42, then installed gentoo |
| 21:30.51 | [g2] | jacques, somehow that doesn't surprise me :) |
| 21:30.57 | copperbeech | Ubuntu live is quite cool - I tried it out a couple of days ago. |
| 21:30.58 | jacques | :-) |
| 21:31.21 | jacques | yeah, live worked great on the laptop too |
| 21:31.21 | [g2] | I ran ubuntu live from inside qemu |
| 21:31.29 | jacques | neat |
| 21:31.50 | [g2] | it's fun to try out the distro's without actually burning the isos |
| 21:32.51 | copperbeech | have you seen this: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Win_Partition |
| 21:33.18 | copperbeech | You just throw the latest ISO in a folder and choose it from the grub menu... nice |
| 21:33.59 | [g2] | is that just bootloader chaining ? |
| 21:35.06 | copperbeech | basically it uses the XP boot.ini to chain grub which you can then use to chain the ISO, or in my adapted case, chain my HD install. |
| 21:35.19 | copperbeech | it's nice because you never have to mess about with the MBR |
| 21:36.25 | copperbeech | it's also nice because you never have to burn a CD |
| 21:36.46 | copperbeech | and it's also nice again because to upgrade, all you have to do is copy over the ISO file |
| 21:37.16 | copperbeech | and it's also even nicer than a CD because all the cheat-codes are saved in the grub menu-lst |
| 21:38.39 | [g2] | copperbeech, I'll have to take a look at that and maybe try it out on the kids pc |
| 21:38.56 | copperbeech | *laughs* |
| 21:39.13 | copperbeech | well it's pretty harmless so you should get away with it :-) |
| 21:39.46 | [g2] | no, it's 2.5 years since any of my PCs have Window 'em |
| 21:40.11 | [g2] | take the new laptop for example |
| 21:40.25 | [g2] | I tested it ran knoppix before I bought it at the store |
| 21:40.38 | [g2] | came home dd if=/dev/zero the whole drive |
| 21:40.48 | [g2] | then freshly installed a knoppix |
| 21:40.58 | [g2] | I've been to lazy to put gentoo on it |
| 21:41.00 | copperbeech | You're lucky... The latest Compaq Laptop I got won't boot knoppix off a CD - the CD drive is USB and it falls over |
| 21:41.13 | copperbeech | boots Ubuntu live OK though |
| 21:42.36 | copperbeech | The seem to change very often... I've had a Toshiba, a Dell, a Compaq and now they've gone to IBM |
| 21:42.46 | copperbeech | crazy |
| 21:44.03 | copperbeech | make toolchain is one very very big build! |
| 21:44.18 | [g2] | 1-2GB |
| 21:44.57 | [g2] | I'd be interested to see how fast the hd's run |
| 21:45.07 | [g2] | the default setup is very slow |
| 21:45.24 | [g2] | 3MB versus 24MB on my laptop |
| 21:45.28 | copperbeech | which hds - my laptop hds on which knoppix is running? |
| 21:45.36 | [g2] | nod. |
| 21:45.45 | copperbeech | how would you test it? |
| 21:45.52 | [g2] | hdparm -tT /dev/hda |
| 21:45.56 | llagendijk | jp30-work, are you there? |
| 21:46.13 | [g2] | use at your own risk of course |
| 21:46.58 | jacques | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.13 | caplink811-away | ~seen byront |
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| 21:47.20 | jacques | (t42) |
| 21:47.24 | caplink811-away | ~botsnack |
| 21:47.24 | jbot | thanks, caplink811-away |
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| 21:48.18 | copperbeech | timing buffered disk reads: 82 MB in 3.13 seconds = 26.16 MB/sec |
| 21:48.39 | copperbeech | although that was with make toolchain running full tilt |
| 21:48.47 | [g2]-amd64 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.13 | jacques | yeah my desktops get 57MB/s |
| 21:49.20 | jacques | well the ones with 7200rpm drives |
| 21:49.30 | jacques | I was just saying 38MB/s is damn good for a laptop |
| 21:49.38 | [g2] | it is! |
| 21:49.53 | copperbeech | yes it is... |
| 21:50.13 | jacques | that 7200rpm laptop drive is apparently good for something |
| 21:50.24 | [g2] | but when I'm on the laptop it'll either be when I'm far away or I'll just ssh in to the desktops |
| 21:50.39 | jacques | i dont think I can go down in speed when I upgrade - I need more than 60GB tho - 100GB 7200rpm drives are coming soon but will be $$$ |
| 21:51.06 | jacques | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.31 | copperbeech | you are talking to someone who has been compiling on a slug for the last couple of months - moving to a laptop is rather an experience |
| 21:51.57 | jacques | heh |
| 21:51.59 | [g2] | just like old-skool when things just took that long |
| 21:52.08 | [g2] | like batch jobs and card readers |
| 21:52.14 | copperbeech | *laughs* |
| 21:53.26 | llagendijk | g2, are you THAT old? |
| 21:55.52 | copperbeech | The first computers I really remember as a kid were ZX Spectrums |
| 21:56.25 | copperbeech | I didn't even get my hands on a computer until I was about 13 (Acorn A3000 with an ARM2 processor) |
| 21:56.26 | jp30-work | hi, llagendijk |
| 21:56.42 | llagendijk | llagendijk, I did my first programming at school on a Sperry Remington from '58 I believe.... |
| 21:57.00 | llagendijk | hi jp30-work |
| 21:57.15 | llagendijk | jp30-work, any progress on apache? |
| 21:57.47 | llagendijk | copperbeech, you must be much younger then I am |
| 21:58.00 | jp30-work | well, i've fixed the libraries problem you noticed, but i doubt that it was responsible for the segfault |
| 21:58.07 | copperbeech | yeah - born in '75 |
| 21:58.17 | jp30-work | haven't had a chance to try it out on a wiley yet |
| 21:59.13 | llagendijk | jp30-work, I seem to have some problems with the package for apache: when I install it, it complains in the ipkg run about |
| 21:59.16 | llagendijk | [admin@pheasant1 info]$ ipkg -V3 configure apache |
| 21:59.16 | llagendijk | Configuring unpacked packages |
| 21:59.16 | llagendijk | Configuring apache |
| 21:59.16 | llagendijk | Running script //opt/lib/ipkg/info/apache.postinst |
| 21:59.17 | llagendijk | mkdir: Cannot create directory `/usr/lib/ipkg/': Read-only file system |
| 21:59.51 | llagendijk | the /usr/lib/ipkg part is funny, I can't find where that comes from |
| 22:00.17 | jp30-work | llagendijk, try building your own ipkg from unslung and using that. i have patched this bug but it isn't in the feed as jf-work isn't happy with putting ipkg in the feed yet |
| 22:00.29 | jp30-work | jf, rather |
| 22:00.37 | llagendijk | copperbeech, I'm from 58 |
| 22:00.44 | llagendijk | jp30-work, that is what I did |
| 22:01.04 | jp30-work | odd. i thought i'd patched that |
| 22:01.17 | llagendijk | I am actually trying to get gdb installed, so I compiled without stripping |
| 22:01.32 | llagendijk | jp30-work, what was the problem? |
| 22:01.33 | jp30-work | you have ipkg 0.99.148-4? |
| 22:01.57 | [g2] | llagendijk, actually I *am* that old |
| 22:02.09 | [g2] | I used punch cards in college |
| 22:02.13 | dyoung | copperbeech, that wasnt too bad. I think it takes an hour fo rme. |
| 22:02.34 | llagendijk | g2, thought so, you must be at least as old as me to remember puch cards etc |
| 22:02.45 | dyoung | Punch Cards are cool. |
| 22:02.45 | [g2] | jacques, copperbeech ntfsresize is on the dvd and looks like it'll work |
| 22:02.48 | jp30-work | llagendijk, must think back to what i did with ipkg... hmm... |
| 22:03.18 | dyoung | Until you fall down carrying your stack and lazily didnt band them together. |
| 22:03.20 | [g2] | dyoung, especially when you used the radix sorter to put the back in order using the numbers in column 73-80 |
| 22:03.21 | copperbeech | [g2] are you going to just realease a DVD or a CD as well? |
| 22:03.40 | dyoung | yeah. heh. |
| 22:03.48 | [g2] | copperbeech, that's under consideration |
| 22:04.00 | llagendijk | jp30-work, no, I have -2, will try to upgrade |
| 22:04.07 | jacques | [g2], which version is it? |
| 22:04.14 | copperbeech | I think it's an important factor for package developers rather than kernel developers |
| 22:04.24 | [g2] | My DVD has a copy of all the metadata for OE and all the tarballs to go with it |
| 22:04.38 | [g2] | jacques, version of the metadata or knoppix ? |
| 22:04.46 | jp30-work | gotta go... |
| 22:04.50 | jp30-work | bye for now |
| 22:04.55 | [g2] | see ya |
| 22:04.59 | copperbeech | yeah - thought so. That would be fantastic for kernel devs |
| 22:05.09 | llagendijk | jp30-work, cu later |
| 22:05.36 | llagendijk | llagendijk, doesn't feel old either |
| 22:05.47 | copperbeech | however - from my perspective (as a noob package dev) I would just want a basic package cross development env. |
| 22:05.50 | jacques | [g2], version of ntfsresize |
| 22:05.58 | [g2] | V1.94 |
| 22:06.10 | [g2] | v1.94 |
| 22:06.18 | [g2] | if that matters :) |
| 22:07.03 | jacques | [g2], ok great |
| 22:07.25 | copperbeech | will play with some appweb compilations tomorrow... |
| 22:07.27 | jacques | "Choosing a distribution including ntfsresize version 1.9.0 or later is recommended, at least until NTFS gets resized, because it can also resize fragmented NTFS safely, there isn't even need for defragmentation in advance. |
| 22:07.27 | jacques | " |
| 22:07.40 | copperbeech | thats for all the help people... |
| 22:08.21 | copperbeech | thats = thanks |
| 22:10.04 | [g2] | jacques, Excellent |
| 22:10.12 | [g2] | thx for the info and advice! |
| 22:10.18 | jacques | np |
| 22:10.32 | [g2] | so now option b) is pretty easy |
| 22:10.48 | [g2] | cfdisk and see if there are not 4 partitions in use |
| 22:11.09 | [g2] | then ntfsresize the main partition if there's room |
| 22:11.29 | [g2] | the create a partition |
| 22:11.58 | [g2] | create a swap space on the partition or a second partition (depending on the number of original partitions) |
| 22:12.07 | [g2] | and create the persistent area |
| 22:13.07 | [g2] | and boot with that option on subsequent reboots use the persistent data |
| 22:13.19 | [g2]-away | dinner |
| 22:23.46 | llagendijk | off o bed |
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