| 00:01.17 | krod | what does busybox use, to load all the services at boot...it dosn't seem to use inetd |
| 00:04.50 | jp30-work | krod, have you looked at the wiki? |
| 00:06.19 | krod | sorta :) |
| 00:06.25 | krod | i will read it fully now.. |
| 00:06.31 | krod | thanks for your help |
| 00:11.08 | jp30-work | krod, do feel free to ask questions, but bear in mind rules #1 and #2 - they are explained on the wiki front page |
| 00:16.18 | ka6sox-office | :) |
| 00:19.25 | jp30-work | do we have a way of asking jbot to politely remind visitors of rules 1 and 2? |
| 00:22.39 | ka6sox-office | ~nslu2-rules |
| 00:22.40 | jbot | rumour has it, nslu2-rules is 1) Those who ask the questions, update the wiki, 2) Those who complain about the doco, update the wiki, 3) Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot access, 4) Friends don't let friends flash custom bootloaders without confirmed JTAG access. |
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| 01:10.41 | krod | there should be a search on the wiki |
| 01:11.02 | ka6sox-office | there is |
| 01:11.32 | krod | yeah, i say it just as i pressed enter... |
| 01:11.46 | krod | s/say/saw |
| 01:11.50 | ka6sox-office | :) |
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| 01:39.27 | krod | # ipkg install openssh |
| 01:39.28 | krod | ipkg: Cannot create directory `/usr/lib/ipkg': File exists |
| 01:39.52 | krod | any ideas? |
| 01:50.21 | krod | nvm |
| 01:50.56 | krod | # ipkg update |
| 01:50.56 | krod | Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/unslung/unstable/Packages.gz |
| 01:50.56 | krod | ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-3J0vCg http://ipkg.nslu2-linuxAn error ocurred, return value: 1. |
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| 02:02.01 | dyoung-web | so is anyone useing the OptWare DHCP package? |
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| 05:57.17 | jf-asleep | jacques: tinylogin adduser is creating group. Maybe we should patch it not to, as it was patched not co call for passwd ? |
| 05:57.56 | jacques | hmm |
| 05:58.42 | jf-away | morning all, sorry, I'm late. going to the office |
| 05:59.20 | jf-away | jacques: this is just a one line comment in the code. Just have to take care for future version if ever |
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| 06:29.47 | rwhitby-web | ~nslu2-camps |
| 06:29.48 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, nslu2-camps is 1: want full linksys compatibility (including future releases), can load image through web and telnet in to run ipkg, have no clue about redboot, 2: can telnet into redboot and use linux, 3: power user, but no jtag and no custom redboots, 4: bleeding edge - custom redboots, no need or desire for linksys compatibility |
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| 07:47.43 | perlguru | morning |
| 07:47.54 | perlguru | ipkg upgrade gives me errors: |
| 07:48.09 | perlguru | update-modules and depmod couldnt be found |
| 07:48.40 | perlguru | also mod_cgi.so is missing for apache (mod_cgid.so exists, typo?) |
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| 09:48.08 | perlguru | yes, revision 1.500 of the Makefile is upon us! |
| 09:48.39 | perlguru | btw, CIA is missing in action |
| 09:49.11 | perlguru | i added perl-cgi-application and perl-html-template to native-testing |
| 09:49.21 | rwhitby | dyoung: should have pingu ssh access available soon |
| 10:00.16 | jacques | i might need to get me a couple of those wl-hdd2.5's |
| 10:00.21 | jacques | they look cool |
| 10:00.53 | jacques | only about $3 more than a slug too |
| 10:02.22 | perlguru | that is without a hdd |
| 10:02.31 | jacques | well so its a slug |
| 10:02.35 | jacques | so is a slug |
| 10:03.02 | perlguru | point |
| 10:04.01 | jacques | you have a handy link with the hardware specs? like how much flash and RAM ? |
| 10:04.09 | jacques | and what proc exactly |
| 10:06.15 | jf-work | jacques: http://forum.chupa.nl/showthread.php?t=753 |
| 10:06.18 | jacques | lol I love this feature (from the ASUS site): "Real Time Clock: You'll never disorder time even after being unplugged." |
| 10:06.27 | jacques | thanks jf-work |
| 10:07.31 | jacques | ok so broadcom cpu, 16MB RAM and 4MB flash |
| 10:07.46 | jf-work | same as wl500 |
| 10:08.03 | jf-work | my optware run on it |
| 10:08.51 | dyoung | woo! |
| 10:08.56 | dyoung | ~celebrate |
| 10:08.57 | jbot | ACTION lights off 3 tons of fireworks |
| 10:10.26 | jf-work | do we said 'optware packages' or just 'optware' ? |
| 10:10.37 | dyoung | ~optware |
| 10:10.49 | dyoung | jf-work, you should have that slug in-hand soon. |
| 10:11.06 | dyoung | can you let me know when you get it? |
| 10:11.26 | jf-work | dyoung: I look in my postal box 3 times a day for 2 day now. |
| 10:11.46 | dyoung | I dont remember when I sent it, but they told me a week. |
| 10:12.02 | dyoung | I think it was mid-last-week ? |
| 10:12.08 | jf-work | dyoung: sure. I will have to look for a correct 220v->5v adapter. Can you give me the polarity of the plug ? |
| 10:12.13 | dyoung | ay it was last wednesday. |
| 10:12.20 | dyoung | Center Positive. |
| 10:12.32 | jf-work | ok |
| 10:12.40 | dyoung | I dunno the precise size t hough... |
| 10:12.52 | jf-work | yep. can you mesure it ? ;) |
| 10:13.05 | dyoung | uh... |
| 10:13.07 | dyoung | sure. |
| 10:14.44 | jacques | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.22 | dyoung | best I can guess, its a 2.5mm "short" connector. |
| 10:19.38 | dyoung | the OD is 5.4mm |
| 10:20.30 | dyoung | "short" = 9.5mm |
| 10:20.38 | dyoung | in length. |
| 10:21.05 | dyoung | jacques, please you are using the english to proper descibing the function of the unit! |
| 10:22.15 | jf-work | dyoung: ok, so 2,5mm center hole (positive) and 5,4mm exterior (negative), that's it ? |
| 10:22.38 | jacques | dyoung lol |
| 10:22.38 | dyoung | Yes; thats about it. |
| 10:23.20 | dyoung | I wonder if someone has made a english -> engrish converter yet. |
| 10:23.32 | dyoung | www.engrish.com |
| 10:23.50 | jacques | I'd like to talk like that all the time |
| 10:24.13 | dyoung | I took some pretty good pictures of "engrish" signs. |
| 10:24.20 | dyoung | Complaining phone! |
| 10:24.24 | dyoung | um... |
| 10:24.41 | perlguru | ~wiley |
| 10:24.43 | dyoung | "Please preserve the greenery by no stepping!" |
| 10:25.27 | jacques | http://www.engrish.com/makingengrish.php |
| 10:25.28 | dyoung | jbot, wiley is the petname for the Asus WL-500 family of products, including the WL-HDD |
| 10:25.29 | jbot | okay, dyoung |
| 10:25.34 | dyoung | ~wiley |
| 10:25.35 | jbot | wiley is probably the petname for the Asus WL-500 family of products, including the WL-HDD |
| 10:26.24 | dyoung | "Walk this way to the Pagoda" in chinese they translated as, "Step on Pagoda Here!" |
| 10:27.01 | jacques | lol it works |
| 10:27.19 | jacques | I asked it to translate "Hi there I am your friend" and it gave me "Today as for me it is your friend there." |
| 10:27.28 | dyoung | hehe |
| 10:27.52 | dyoung | jacques, youre going to be spending all night translating stuff to "engrish" now. |
| 10:28.18 | jacques | well if I wasn't about to pass out from sleepiness I would :-) |
| 10:28.30 | jacques | I'm glad I installed the japanese fonts now |
| 10:28.34 | dyoung | I can speaking the engrish on the whim! |
| 10:28.41 | jacques | ???????????????????? |
| 10:28.49 | jacques | that look like anything? |
| 10:28.56 | dyoung | yeah, it looked like: |
| 10:29.10 | dyoung | <jacques>???????????????????? |
| 10:29.25 | rwhitby | perlguru: wl-hdd is very slow on disk - about half the slug |
| 10:29.31 | jacques | ah well |
| 10:29.44 | jacques | rwhitby, ouch! |
| 10:29.52 | jacques | they claim to have ata100 ide interface |
| 10:30.13 | dyoung | hehe. |
| 10:30.20 | jacques | sounds more like ata4 |
| 10:31.54 | perlguru | speed is no issue. just want it as a webserver/mediaserver |
| 10:32.39 | dyoung | Using the WL-HDD reveals only half the required speed of the fresh animal |
| 10:34.23 | dyoung | okay maybe thats not quite right. I need to work on the engrish translator. |
| 10:35.15 | dyoung | I think a slug is a "namakuji"; but nama can mean fresh. I'm still thinking of a better misinterpretation of "kuji" |
| 10:36.37 | dyoung | oops, i even got that wrong, its a namekuji. |
| 10:37.21 | dyoung | the licking ticket. |
| 10:38.05 | dyoung | Okay, who started me on engrish..... |
| 10:38.39 | jacques | i think it was me |
| 10:38.49 | jacques | <jacques> lol I love this feature (from the ASUS site): "Real Time Clock: You'll never disorder time even after being unplugged." |
| 10:39.12 | dyoung | oh yeah. |
| 10:39.17 | dyoung | its all your fault. ;-) |
| 10:42.56 | jacques | glad to be of service |
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| 11:44.30 | rwhitby | dyoung: tried the latest unslung yet? |
| 11:46.22 | rwhitby | I'm just about to flash it now ... (4.17-alpha) |
| 11:51.20 | rwhitby | booted fine. |
| 11:51.44 | rwhitby | now to touch the flag file and see what happens |
| 11:53.25 | rwhitby | hmm - endless loop |
| 11:54.56 | rwhitby | right - glc mentioned that. |
| 11:55.11 | rwhitby | need to not run linuxrc on the target rootfs |
| 11:57.47 | dyoung | Nope, I'm still in the dark ages of 4.15 |
| 11:59.04 | rwhitby | and fixing the bug in the /linuxrc is as easy as rebooting without the disk, and editing /linuxrc in the jffs2 |
| 12:01.01 | rwhitby | and we're up |
| 12:17.51 | rwhitby | uploading 4.18-alpha.bin now ..... (will take 15 minutes) |
| 12:18.01 | rwhitby | CIA is still MIA. |
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| 12:25.42 | glc | Or deleting linuxrc on sda1. |
| 12:26.32 | glc | Maybe not executing foreign linuxrc is safer though. |
| 12:26.51 | rwhitby | yeah, I've deleted those lines. |
| 12:27.20 | glc | Well, off to work for me. |
| 12:27.32 | rwhitby | since any foreign rootfs is editable, then people can put a shell script in place of /bin/init and call /bin/init from inside it |
| 12:27.52 | rwhitby | but most people willl never need to know about that |
| 12:28.45 | glc | I did that when tryng to debug before booting into jffs2 was inplace. |
| 12:30.14 | rwhitby | well glc, congratulations on simplifying the whole Unslung boot sequence! |
| 12:31.53 | dyoung | did someone propogate the chage to openslug yet? |
| 12:31.56 | dyoung | ~praise glc |
| 12:32.01 | jbot | All hail glc! |
| 12:37.20 | rwhitby | now, what should I do with the 1 block where switchbox used to be? |
| 12:38.45 | dyoung | is the 2nd block recovered already? |
| 12:39.11 | rwhitby | not yet, looking at that now. Should be as easy as just giving slugimage a smaller ramdisk |
| 12:39.16 | dyoung | "Rescue Payload" ? |
| 12:40.45 | rwhitby | what does that consist of? |
| 12:41.29 | dyoung | I'm not sure yet. |
| 12:41.57 | dyoung | facility to cp/boot to ramdisk and reflash the jffs2? |
| 12:42.05 | dyoung | in case you are "inslung" ? |
| 12:42.38 | rwhitby | we have that already in maintenance mode |
| 12:43.47 | dyoung | okay, so we are keeping that mode? |
| 12:44.40 | dyoung | I dunno then, maybe we should stuff some jpegs in there. |
| 12:45.08 | rwhitby | anyway, we just need to put the switchbox.ext.gz on sf.net and it will be included ... |
| 12:45.12 | dyoung | ~nefarious |
| 12:45.13 | jbot | i heard nefarious is to be infamous by way of nastyness |
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| 12:46.00 | dyoung | Speak of the devil..... |
| 12:46.11 | jp30 | hi, dyoung |
| 12:46.16 | dyoung | morning. |
| 12:46.20 | jp30 | it's very early in the morning here |
| 12:46.34 | dyoung | I guarantee its even earlier in the morning here. ;-) |
| 12:47.04 | jp30 | actually i was hoping to find eno and bug him about samba. looks like he is away though |
| 12:48.14 | rwhitby | we don't need the payload either now, do we? |
| 12:50.50 | dyoung | not really, we can cram moer jpegs in there. ;-) |
| 12:51.24 | dyoung | it o nly exists for rescue mode. |
| 12:52.13 | rwhitby | we don't have recovery mode any more |
| 12:53.30 | dyoung | exactly. |
| 12:53.53 | dyoung | perfect place for nudi-slugs. |
| 12:54.55 | jp30 | is anyone here able to reproduce the samba errors reported on the list? i'd like to figure out whether they are due to the update to samba 3.0.14, or to the move to cross-compilation |
| 12:57.37 | dyoung | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/message/6001 , but I havnt tried for myself. |
| 12:59.26 | dyoung-zzzz | wait, isnt uid -1 supposed to be nobody? |
| 12:59.46 | dyoung-zzzz | that error looks like a bug. |
| 13:01.04 | jp30 | trouble is that the two changes happenned at the same time. so the fact that a user was able to back off to 3.0.11 doesn't show which caused the problem |
| 13:01.26 | dyoung-zzzz | True. |
| 13:01.47 | dyoung-zzzz | "dont break more than one thing at a time." |
| 13:01.50 | dyoung-zzzz | ;-) |
| 13:01.51 | dyoung-zzzz | night. |
| 13:01.56 | jp30 | 'night |
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| 13:32.25 | rwhitby | ok, I've updated slugimage, but will have to wait until sf.net anon cvs catches up before I push the BB changes |
| 13:36.48 | perlguru | does the new init stuff reduce the boottime? |
| 13:38.09 | rwhitby | well, the thing is that now you have complete control over the boot sequence, by modifying the linuxrc in jffs2. |
| 13:38.25 | rwhitby | so you can reduce it to whatever still works |
| 13:46.26 | rwhitby | ok, linuxrc has also been added to openslug-init as well .... |
| 13:46.37 | rwhitby | and switchbox has been removed from openslug. |
| 13:46.55 | rwhitby | as soon as slugimage anon cvs updates, I'll push the changes. |
| 13:47.58 | jp30 | perlguru, i've just promoted perl-cgi-application and perl-html-template. |
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| 13:59.50 | jaro | jeanfabrice: Yesterday I asked you about compiling thttpd-php with uclibc - you said that you did compilation using uclibc based toolchain. However your package required libc to run. |
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| 14:00.16 | ziL | I just ordered a nslu2 :) |
| 14:02.28 | jf-work | jaro : compiled with unslung_target=wl500g, it seems to me that php-thttpd doesn't depend on libc |
| 14:05.22 | jaro | jf-work: It did install correctly using ipkg (bobo.rouselin repository), however it failed during startup. I will try to simulate that situation again. In a moment, I will come back with more detailed report. |
| 14:06.30 | rwhitby | jaro: there is no thttpd-php package |
| 14:06.36 | rwhitby | do you mean php-thttpd ? |
| 14:07.34 | rwhitby | there once was a thttpdphp package, but that has been superceded by php-thttpd |
| 14:08.39 | rwhitby | ziL: welcome to the club. what are you going to install on it? |
| 14:12.22 | jaro | rwhitby: Package: thttpd-php ... Version: 2.25b-5.03 |
| 14:13.38 | jaro | rwhitby: maybe I've dowloaded just by the time of "superceding" :) |
| 14:13.38 | rwhitby | Installing php-thttpd (2.25b-5.0.3-6) to root... |
| 14:13.38 | rwhitby | Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/unslung/wl500g/php-thttpd_2.25b-5.0.3-6_mipsel.ipk |
| 14:14.04 | rwhitby | jaro: where is that package downloaded from? I don't believe it's an official Unslung package. |
| 14:15.32 | ka6sox | morning |
| 14:15.36 | rwhitby | g'day |
| 14:15.55 | jp30 | morning, ka6sox |
| 14:16.47 | ziL | rwhitby: I'm going to use it with ccxstream and play around with it in general |
| 14:17.13 | ziL | rwhitby: Ordered a pixelbild |
| 14:17.14 | ziL | Maxtor Onetouch 250GB 7200RPM 8MB USB2.0 |
| 14:17.24 | ziL | Sorry about the paste :) |
| 14:18.14 | rwhitby | NAiL: cutting a hole in the side to see it? |
| 14:18.40 | NAiL | rwhitby: I have to cut a hole in the side to make it fit at all |
| 14:18.43 | rwhitby | you could mount it on the outside, and just run the wires through a hole in the case |
| 14:18.51 | ziL | I got myself a nice 17" tft too, can't stand my 19" Dell monitor any longer :) |
| 14:18.52 | NAiL | Nah, won't look as good ;) |
| 14:19.10 | ziL | NAiL: Looks are everything |
| 14:20.46 | NAiL | But unless I can fit a usb2 hub inside the case, together with my 512mb flash-stick and a usb->lpt-converter and the display, I'm running out of ports :( |
| 14:21.17 | NAiL | I guess I'll just have to buy another slug ;) |
| 14:21.40 | ka6sox | ~seen [g2] |
| 14:21.42 | jbot | [g2] <~g2@g2.nslu2-linux> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 1d 51m 33s ago, saying: 'rwhitby, hey!'. |
| 14:22.04 | ka6sox | awol |
| 14:22.14 | rwhitby | NAiL: that's two ports - how many more do you need ;-) |
| 14:22.58 | NAiL | rwhitby: Loads! ;) |
| 14:23.22 | ka6sox | rwhitby: show him Slug Central |
| 14:24.48 | rwhitby | NAiL: http://www.targus.com/AU/popup.asp?sku=PAUH112U&name=USB+1%2E1+Micro+Swivel+4%2DPort+Hub <- put one of them inside |
| 14:25.09 | rwhitby | I've got one of them on the back of my wl500gx |
| 14:25.21 | rwhitby | NAiL: http://nslu2-linux.thestuffguy.com/gallery/slug-central |
| 14:26.24 | perlguru | jp30: thanx |
| 14:26.24 | NAiL | rwhitby: Looks a tad fat to fit inside though? |
| 14:26.54 | rwhitby | jaro: I just installed php-thttpd on my wl500gx and it runs without error |
| 14:27.49 | rwhitby | NAiL: not after you unsolder all four connectors and connect the wires directly. |
| 14:28.11 | NAiL | ah.. yeah. |
| 14:28.37 | rwhitby | it's only usb 1.1 if that matters to you |
| 14:28.48 | NAiL | Now I only need to find someone who distributes that hub in Norway... |
| 14:29.19 | NAiL | rwhitby: nah, not that much. I can put my stick on that hub, and use the usb2-port it frees up instead. Don't care much about speed with the stick |
| 14:29.28 | NAiL | nor with the lpt-port |
| 14:30.01 | rwhitby | there you go - now you can have two internal ports spare and one external port spare. |
| 14:30.22 | NAiL | brilliant |
| 14:30.59 | NAiL | Nice, Dell sells them |
| 14:31.39 | jf-work | jaro : thttpdphp package from bobo(rousselin is obsolete (I should have delete all non unslung package form this point :() |
| 14:32.31 | jf-work | rwhitby : if use to be a package from me when I didn't know unslung |
| 14:33.02 | rwhitby | jf-work: ah, now it makes sense. |
| 14:35.36 | rwhitby | night all |
| 14:35.43 | NAiL | rwhitby: Thanks for the tip. |
| 14:35.47 | rwhitby-asleep | np |
| 14:35.48 | NAiL | and 'nite |
| 14:36.16 | rwhitby-asleep | Just make sure you put up some more pictures :-) |
| 14:36.23 | NAiL | But of course ;) |
| 14:39.05 | rwhitby-asleep | ok, I'm going to push these changes, but they won't work until slugimage anon cvs catches up. |
| 14:39.22 | rwhitby-asleep | (cause I won't have time to push them when I wake up tomorrow) |
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| 14:47.43 | jstueve | anyone have any ideas how to recover a root password? |
| 14:50.30 | jp30 | jstueve - attach your slug's hard drive to a PC and edit the passwd file in the conf partition |
| 14:50.40 | jaro | jf-work: thanks. So that's probably the problem :) |
| 14:50.52 | jaro | jf-work - I will perform upgrade :) |
| 14:50.54 | jp30 | ...then you can change the root password to whatever you like |
| 14:52.08 | jstueve | best to just blank it out, reboot and change it, copy back to /share/*/conf/passwd |
| 14:52.33 | jstueve | check... I just read the first part in the readme... |
| 14:53.05 | jf-work | jaro: you should remove first then install. upgrade will not work as packages don't have the same name |
| 14:56.07 | jaro | jf-work: Yes. I wrote an inexact thing. I don't have that package on my wlhdd anymore, because I'm experimenting all the time and the disk was formatted many times :-))) |
| 15:00.20 | ka6sox-away | jstueve, could you please write up a wiki page on the lost password recovery? |
| 15:00.54 | jp30 | ~nslu2-rules |
| 15:00.57 | jbot | methinks nslu2-rules is 1) Those who ask the questions, update the wiki, 2) Those who complain about the doco, update the wiki, 3) Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot access, 4) Friends don't let friends flash custom bootloaders without confirmed JTAG access. |
| 15:01.20 | jp30 | hah, an opportunity to use ~nslu2-rules! |
| 15:03.26 | jp30 | for those who are interested in such things, i believe i have PEAR working |
| 15:08.46 | jstueve | ka6sox yeah... if/when I get it back.. :D |
| 15:10.25 | jstueve | I'm using it remote now... but the root passwd got changed to something unknonw... so can't do some stuf... |
| 15:10.28 | jstueve | sudo |
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| 15:43.07 | ziL | Does the Maxtor drives make a lot of noise? |
| 15:43.33 | ka6sox-away | some...and some not. |
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| 15:44.35 | ziL | ka6sox-away: Do you have a good suggestion for a near silent drive? |
| 15:44.53 | jp30 | how about a flash key? |
| 15:51.42 | ka6sox-away | yeah....I was going to say that. |
| 15:52.59 | jp30 | if silent counts as "near silent" :) |
| 15:54.03 | ka6sox-away | off to the Mountian. |
| 15:54.06 | ka6sox-away | cya laters. |
| 15:55.07 | jp30 | ttfn, ka6sox |
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| 19:07.10 | jp30-work | morning, jeanfabrice |
| 19:07.35 | jeanfabrice | good morning |
| 19:08.25 | jp30-work | would you care to join me in testing UW imap and PEAR? |
| 19:08.58 | jp30-work | ...i was just about to put imap into WL500G_PACKAGES_READY_FOR_TESTING |
| 19:09.39 | jeanfabrice | I would be glad if I can give a hand, np. |
| 19:10.26 | jp30-work | main thing i'd like checked is that "make imap-ipk php-ipk" works on wiley with current cvs |
| 19:10.40 | jp30-work | ...works targetting wiley, i should say |
| 19:11.28 | jeanfabrice | dyoung-zzzz: no slug today. Tomorrow is off if France. |
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| 19:13.07 | macsat | Hi |
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| 20:10.06 | VoodooZ_Work | jbot: seen odoc |
| 20:10.09 | jbot | odoc <~odoc@c184099.adsl.hansenet.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 13d 11h 41m 14s ago, saying: 'hehe'. |
| 20:11.02 | jeanfabrice | jp30-work: I did not forget you, still building php dependencies (got network troubles) |
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| 20:27.28 | dyoung-zzzz | morning. |
| 20:27.51 | VoodooZ_Work | hey |
| 20:28.07 | dyoung-zzzz | I take it Odoc hasnt gotten back with you eh. |
| 20:28.11 | VoodooZ_Work | nope. |
| 20:28.28 | VoodooZ_Work | I just did a search on google for his alias but didn't find anything. |
| 20:28.30 | dyoung-zzzz | I waslooking for you the other day because I got the spca5xx working. |
| 20:28.42 | VoodooZ_Work | jbot says he has not been in this channel for 13days. |
| 20:28.46 | dyoung-zzzz | but I think it is in fact *not* a USB2 camera. |
| 20:29.00 | VoodooZ_Work | yeah, I've narrowed it down to 3 cameras. |
| 20:29.10 | dyoung-zzzz | I was gonna offer to run some basic tests; but its pretty slow. |
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| 20:29.44 | VoodooZ_Work | The Trust spacecam 380 appears to be supported (more or less) with the OV5XX drivers. |
| 20:30.22 | VoodooZ_Work | the iBot2 is another one and then Aplux Mu2-35 but they are all pretty hard to find in Canada. |
| 20:30.48 | VoodooZ_Work | ebay didn't turn out much either. |
| 20:31.46 | VoodooZ_Work | I fired off an email to the OV511 dude to see what he suggests. |
| 20:32.37 | dyoung-zzzz | Ah, okay the spacecam is stupposed to work with the spca5xx. |
| 20:33.19 | VoodooZ_Work | really? It's supported under the Omnivision OV drivers. Unless it's under both? |
| 20:35.13 | VoodooZ_Work | I just checked the SPCA5xx project page and there's no mention of support of the 380 model. Just the Trust familycam 300 |
| 20:39.38 | dyoung-zzzz | Aha. yes, those model numbers are all so confusing. |
| 20:39.58 | VoodooZ_Work | hehehe |
| 20:44.26 | VoodooZ_Work | anyways, got to leave work now. seeya later.... |
| 20:49.47 | dyoung-zzzz | seeya |
| 21:19.16 | rwhitby-asleep | ok, slugimage changes have propagated, so builds on Unslung and OpenSlug from now on do not include switchbox, and therefore recover one extra block for the jffs2. The "ramdisk" block is left empty (except for the length). |
| 21:19.32 | rwhitby-asleep | This has not been tested yet, so those with serial should test it first. |
| 21:19.40 | jacques | cool |
| 21:20.19 | rwhitby-asleep | jacques: can you look at my slugimage source change, and see if you agree with the logic? It's a three line change. |
| 21:21.21 | jacques | rwhitby-asleep, ok |
| 21:21.24 | jacques | will look |
| 21:21.30 | rwhitby-asleep | once someone with serial has tested both Unslung and OpenSlug without switchbox (i.e. the image that will build now), then we'll put out the word for others to test it. |
| 21:21.59 | rwhitby-asleep | back later |
| 21:22.23 | jacques | rwhitby-asleep, did you submit change to nslu-changesets ? I don't see it |
| 21:22.46 | rwhitby-away | I did. Hmm - maybe my new CoLinux mail is broken. |
| 21:26.01 | ka6sox-away | [g2]-away, ping |
| 21:26.45 | jacques | I can look at the changes in the cvs browser |
| 21:26.59 | jacques | duh since they wouldn't be in bk anyway |
| 21:27.06 | ByronT | [g2]-away: PING! |
| 21:51.21 | dyoung-zzzz | ka6sox, um.... |
| 21:52.02 | dyoung-zzzz | ka6sox-away, what happens if I accidentally use a 100k instead of a 10k for a pullup? |
| 21:55.17 | jeanfabrice | jp30-work: ping |
| 21:56.35 | jeanfabrice | jp30-work: php builds fine with PEAR. ipk seems to install pear under /tmp. Sounds strange :/ |
| 22:04.13 | jp30-work | hey, jeanfabrice, thanks. |
| 22:05.04 | jp30-work | the php-pear ipk is supposed to contain only files in /tmp. it is magic |
| 22:05.31 | jp30-work | the next thing i wanted to ask was whether installing php-pear works on a wiley |
| 22:06.16 | glc | Pulling. |
| 22:07.42 | jp30-work | good way to test it (pear) is to see if "pear list" and "pear list-all" produce sane output |
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| 22:11.05 | jeanfabrice | jp30-work: do you know /tmp is in flahsfs on wiley ? |
| 22:11.21 | jp30-work | ulch, that's nasty. it's not a ramdisk? |
| 22:11.56 | jeanfabrice | ramfs on /tmp type ramfs (rw) |
| 22:12.05 | jp30-work | phew! |
| 22:12.37 | jp30-work | yeah, the trouble with pear is that it's complicated to install, and the installation procedure is written in php |
| 22:13.21 | jeanfabrice | any regexp wizard around ? |
| 22:14.25 | jp30-work | what level wizard do you need? i am about level 6 :) |
| 22:14.43 | jeanfabrice | I'm near 0 so... |
| 22:15.07 | jp30-work | well, ask away then. |
| 22:15.09 | jeanfabrice | well did you work on busybox.mk ? I need to trap the real BUSYBOX_VERSION |
| 22:15.41 | jeanfabrice | there are two with a condition in busybox.mk |
| 22:18.04 | jp30-work | hmm |
| 22:19.22 | jp30-work | it looks like you can "make busybox-ipk USE_BUSYBOX_SNAPSHOT=20050101" |
| 22:19.40 | jp30-work | in fact the busybox version that's in the feeds is 1.00 |
| 22:20.56 | jp30-work | let's look at who wrote those lines... |
| 22:21.35 | jp30-work | it was rwhitby who was responsible for the conditional |
| 22:22.09 | jp30-work | i suspect it can just be removed but it might be worth asking him why it was there to begin with |
| 22:22.14 | jeanfabrice | yep. But I'm rebuilding an adduser.mk package busybox based as I got trouble with tinylogin. I would like to have adduser.mk based on busybox like you did with php-pache based on php.mk |
| 22:23.52 | jp30-work | well, if there's no real reason to have the conditional there, then the complicated USE_BUSYBOX_SNAPSHOT stuff could be removed, and the sed trick that we used with php would work fine |
| 22:24.18 | jeanfabrice | ok. will wait for rod approval |
| 22:24.39 | jp30-work | in the meantime, you could make a sed script that extracts the BUSYBOX_VERSION= line that has a digit after the = |
| 22:25.44 | jeanfabrice | I know how to subsitute, but lack some skill on how to extracts |
| 22:26.02 | jeanfabrice | reading regexp manpages now... |
| 22:27.13 | jeanfabrice | ok, found ;) |
| 22:28.19 | jeanfabrice | sed -n -e 's/^BUSYBOX_VERSION *=\([0-9]\)/\1/p' make/busybox.mk |
| 22:28.41 | jp30-work | good, that looks right. |
| 22:28.52 | jeanfabrice | thx *blush* |
| 22:29.41 | jp30-work | 500 XP, and you learn the spell "backrefer to subexpression" |
| 22:33.30 | dyoung-zzzz | bahahahaha |
| 22:33.41 | dyoung-zzzz | I had to inspect that statement several times before catching on . |
| 22:34.02 | jp30-work | :) |
| 22:38.25 | jeanfabrice | jp30-work : what was the other optware you ask me to build ? |
| 22:39.25 | jp30-work | imap; though if you have build php sucessfully, imap will have been built and staged |
| 22:39.55 | jp30-work | can you check that "ipkg install php-pear" actually has the result of installing pear, though? |
| 22:40.19 | jp30-work | ...a lot of work is done in postinst with php-pear |
| 22:40.22 | jeanfabrice | yep it's done. imap-ipk is ok |
| 22:40.34 | jp30-work | good |
| 22:43.53 | jeanfabrice | Installing php-pear (5.0.3-9) to root... |
| 22:43.53 | jeanfabrice | Configuring php-pear |
| 22:43.53 | jeanfabrice | [PEAR] Archive_Tar - installed: 1.1 |
| 22:43.53 | jeanfabrice | [PEAR] Console_Getopt - installed: 1.2 |
| 22:43.53 | jeanfabrice | sh: /usr/bin/cpp: not found |
| 22:43.53 | jeanfabrice | [PEAR] PEAR - installed: 1.3.3 |
| 22:43.55 | jeanfabrice | Wrote PEAR system config file at: /opt/etc/pear.conf |
| 22:43.57 | jeanfabrice | You may want to add: /opt/share/pear to your php.ini include_path |
| 22:43.59 | jeanfabrice | [PEAR] XML_RPC - installed: 1.1.0 |
| 22:44.01 | jeanfabrice | Successfully terminated. |
| 22:46.20 | jp30-work | can you try running "pear list" (expecting to see a short list of packages), and "pear list-all" (expecting to see a long list)? |
| 22:47.06 | jeanfabrice | weird. |
| 22:47.14 | jp30-work | how so? |
| 22:47.18 | jeanfabrice | [jfb@hdd root]$ pear list |
| 22:47.18 | jeanfabrice | before write 0 : 1115246791 |
| 22:47.18 | jeanfabrice | before read 0 : 1115246791 |
| 22:47.18 | jeanfabrice | before write 0 : 1115246791 |
| 22:47.18 | jeanfabrice | before read 0 : 1115246791 |
| 22:47.18 | jeanfabrice | exec: 28: -C: not found |
| 22:47.29 | jp30-work | that's not so good |
| 22:48.16 | jeanfabrice | that is tipycally waht happen with some package that compile fine but crahes at runtime (sane for example or mysql when I omit libstdc++) |
| 22:49.13 | jp30-work | /opt/bin/pear is a shell script, you might find it helpful to look inside it |
| 22:50.17 | jp30-work | that "-C not found business" looks like the problem is that /opt/bin/pear fails to find the php binary |
| 22:56.17 | jeanfabrice | => 'test' (/usr/bin/test) is broken. It is part of wileyware ;) |
| 22:56.49 | jeanfabrice | it is 'test' which produce the errorline, so you job is good ! |
| 22:57.03 | jeanfabrice | have to report this to oleg I think |
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| 22:59.10 | rwhitby-web | NOTE NOTE NOTE: The current OpenSlug image will probably not boot, due to /mnt/tmpmnt being missing from the rootfs, and the new linuxrc depending on that. |
| 22:59.33 | NAiL | *very* nice to know. |
| 23:00.11 | rwhitby-web | although it will probably boot fine to jffs2 - the /mnt/tmpmnt is only used when trying to load rootfs from another location (like an external disk) |
| 23:00.26 | NAiL | aha |
| 23:00.37 | rwhitby-web | before doing a turnup procedure, you would need to create /mnt/tmpmnt in the jffs2 |
| 23:01.17 | rwhitby-web | the linuxrc is fairly fail-safe |
| 23:01.29 | NAiL | turnup? |
| 23:03.13 | rwhitby-web | [g2]'s name for the OpenSlug version of unsling |
| 23:03.41 | NAiL | aha |
| 23:04.15 | NAiL | aha |
| 23:08.00 | ka6sox-office | dyoung-zzzz, ping1 |
| 23:08.11 | ka6sox-office | (as opposed to ping0) |
| 23:08.26 | rwhitby-web | or pingU |
| 23:08.32 | ka6sox-office | :) |
| 23:10.19 | ka6sox-office | I think if we can get the necessary zips and tgz's today we can be ready tonight :) |
| 23:11.06 | ka6sox-office | Berlios and SF both have a problem with what we want to do. |
| 23:11.36 | jacques | :-\ |
| 23:11.52 | rwhitby-web | did you make it clear that source would be there too? |
| 23:11.57 | ka6sox-office | the TOS are written pretty wierd. |
| 23:12.18 | ka6sox-office | its the NPE/IXP stuff that is the problem. |
| 23:13.05 | ka6sox-office | because of the license the way it reads. |
| 23:13.22 | jeanfabrice | have bumped adduser optware VERSION and update it to use busybox applets instead of tinylogin's ones. tinylogin applets were broken. |
| 23:13.51 | ka6sox-office | jf: optware wiley? |
| 23:14.31 | jeanfabrice | should be both as rod promote it to nslu2 |
| 23:14.40 | ka6sox-office | cool |
| 23:15.36 | rwhitby-web | as soon as jp30 pushes it will be there for the slug |
| 23:17.05 | ka6sox-office | is Vegetable part of the Openslug Binary package? |
| 23:18.00 | rwhitby-web | yep |
| 23:18.13 | rwhitby-web | jeanfabrice: [root@wl500gx root]$ adduser rwhitby |
| 23:18.18 | rwhitby-web | adduser: /home/rwhitby: No such file or directory |
| 23:18.28 | rwhitby-web | (repeated three times) |
| 23:18.41 | rwhitby-web | cause /home doesn't exist |
| 23:18.42 | jeanfabrice | adduser -H |
| 23:19.04 | jeanfabrice | or >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 23:19.42 | rwhitby-web | so will all usage of adduser (on both nslu2 and wl500g) require the -H flag, cause we want the behaviour to be the same and it cannot be supported on wl500g? |
| 23:19.53 | rwhitby-web | if so, we should hard-code it |
| 23:19.56 | rwhitby-web | as a default |
| 23:20.40 | rwhitby-web | jeanfabrice: what version did you push? I get http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/unslung/wl500g/adduser_1.4-2_mipsel.ipk |
| 23:20.53 | jeanfabrice | what if a end user want to add a user for its personal use ? |
| 23:20.54 | rwhitby-web | and it says it's a tinylogin applet |
| 23:21.19 | jeanfabrice | rwhitby-away : pushing now... give me 1 or 2 mn :/ |
| 23:21.26 | rwhitby-web | ok, cool |
| 23:22.09 | rwhitby-web | ok, so we may need to write up the package guidelines to make sure that all usage of adduser in installation scripts and rc scripts calls it with -H |
| 23:23.04 | jeanfabrice | package compile and build but where not pushed :/ |
| 23:23.37 | rwhitby-web | or we get Oleg to add a /home mount point to the firmware so we can bind mount it from somewhere |
| 23:23.44 | jeanfabrice | -H AND -D |
| 23:23.57 | rwhitby-web | (but that will not address people with existing firmware) |
| 23:24.04 | jeanfabrice | -D is for non interactive passwd call |
| 23:24.22 | jeanfabrice | may we hardcode /opt/home |
| 23:25.01 | rwhitby-web | can we make those options default the other way? |
| 23:25.30 | rwhitby-web | (i.e. are there corresponding options to say "do create a home directory" and "do ask for the password interactively") |
| 23:27.35 | jeanfabrice | rwhitby-web : nop. you MUST use these options not to create home or ask for passwd. That's the actual busybox scheme. We should document this nicely not changing the busybox behaviour applying many patches, shouldn't we ? |
| 23:27.45 | jaro | Does anyone understand the boot process of wlhdd (using Oleg's firmware 1.9.2.7-4)? I'm reading linuxrc and noticed that there are pivot_root ; exec chroot commands invoked when booting from alternate device? What is the purpose of running the chroot? |
| 23:27.51 | ka6sox-office | adduser automatically builds a home directory. |
| 23:28.08 | jeanfabrice | php is broken on nudi and forbid pushing packages |
| 23:28.21 | rwhitby-web | jeanfabrice: then /opt/home may be the best solution. |
| 23:28.46 | rwhitby-web | jeanfabrice: try running make libxml2-dirclean first |
| 23:28.55 | ka6sox-office | since adduser will only be available with a HD attached anyway then /opt/home is a good choice. |
| 23:28.58 | jeanfabrice | one line patch : I should be abble to do it |
| 23:29.26 | rwhitby-web | and it fits the philosophy of Optware :-) |
| 23:29.34 | jeanfabrice | it broke on imap. sound strange as it compiled fine on my pc |
| 23:29.46 | rwhitby-web | jaro: that's the standard way to change the rootfs |
| 23:30.09 | rwhitby-web | we do exactly the same thing on the slug |
| 23:30.38 | rwhitby-web | jeanfabrice: let me see if I can build wl500g packages in my area |
| 23:30.53 | jeanfabrice | jaro: I think Oleg put it to give the possibility to boot on an external rootfs |
| 23:31.39 | jaro | jeanfabrice: pivot_root is not enough? |
| 23:32.23 | rwhitby-web | nope |
| 23:32.30 | rwhitby-web | see the pivot_root manpage |
| 23:33.07 | rwhitby-web | http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/pivot_root.8.html |
| 23:34.38 | jp30-work | i am pushing the new adduser now |
| 23:34.50 | jaro | rwithby-web: Thank you. I understand now. |
| 23:35.30 | rwhitby-web | jeanfabrice: make php-dirclean |
| 23:35.50 | jeanfabrice | I did |
| 23:36.04 | jeanfabrice | seemes that imap did not stage |
| 23:36.28 | jeanfabrice | I build imap, imap-ipk and imap-stage. rebuilding php now |
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| 23:39.35 | jp30-work | imap is not an autotooled package, so staging is done manually (and lazily, with cp). could be permissions trouble |
| 23:41.20 | rwhitby-web | jp30-work, jeanfabrice: (from logs): yes, please feel free to remove that conditional in busybox,mk |
| 23:41.33 | rwhitby-web | it was historical from when I copied the file from OpenWRT |
| 23:41.49 | jeanfabrice | jp30-work : you don't make non autotooled packages autotooling ? |
| 23:43.08 | jeanfabrice | rwhitby-web : It permits me - with the help of josh - to create my first "backrefer to subexpression" regexp |
| 23:43.58 | rwhitby-web | jeanfabrice: my packages build for wl500g just completed. |
| 23:44.59 | jp30-work | jf, it's not worth the effort to autotool packages that aren't designed for it. except in some special cases like the modularised Xlibs |
| 23:46.27 | jp30-work | UW imap has its own complicated configuration system, but doesn't have a usable "make install" target |
| 23:46.41 | jeanfabrice | jp30-work : I was just kidding. As my english is very very bad, sometimes (often), it doesn't work |
| 23:46.56 | jp30-work | ah, i wondered |
| 23:47.20 | jeanfabrice | that's why I should stop. |
| 23:47.51 | jp30-work | now i'm embarrassed that i took you literally |
| 23:48.05 | jeanfabrice | rwhitby-web : I've pushed optware to the feed. |
| 23:48.27 | jp30-work | jf, imap built and staged ok in the end, then? |
| 23:49.07 | jeanfabrice | seems to, manually done. I should distclean everything one of these days |
| 23:50.47 | jp30-work | always a good idea. staging gets full of crud, and then you discover that it was only because you had the remains of some long lost version of something staged that anything else would build at all |
| 23:52.19 | ka6sox-office | rwhitby-web, the simplest way for me to amend the ~nslu2-rules is to just overwrite it. |
| 23:52.30 | ka6sox-office | so "don't panic" |
| 23:52.41 | ka6sox-office | ~nslu2-rules |
| 23:52.44 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, nslu2-rules is 1) Those who ask the questions, update the wiki, 2) Those who complain about the doco, update the wiki, 3) Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot access, 4) Friends don't let friends flash custom bootloaders without confirmed JTAG access. |
| 23:54.34 | jeanfabrice | Patching adduser to hardcode /opt/home as default top home directory. Should I also make cosmetic change for GECOS as it is now 'Linux User,,,' ? |
| 23:56.27 | ka6sox-office | jbot, no nslu2-rules is 1. You will search the wiki first here before asking questions in channel or on the mailing list. |
| 23:56.28 | jbot | okay, ka6sox-office |
| 23:56.28 | ka6sox-office | 2. Those who ask the questions, update the wiki when they get the answers. |
| 23:56.28 | ka6sox-office | 3. Those who complain about the documentation, update the wiki to make it better. |
| 23:56.28 | ka6sox-office | 4. Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot access. |
| 23:56.28 | ka6sox-office | 5. Friends don't let friends flash custom bootloaders without confirmed JTAG access. |
| 23:56.29 | ka6sox-office | 6. You must read and follow the steps in the README file precisely when flashing firmware. |
| 23:56.37 | ka6sox-office | ~nslu2-rules |
| 23:56.38 | jbot | methinks nslu2-rules is 1. You will search the wiki first here before asking questions in channel or on the mailing list. |
| 23:56.44 | ka6sox-office | heh. |
| 23:57.27 | rwhitby-web | jeanfabrice: adduser works as advertised on wl500g |
| 23:57.57 | ka6sox-office | jbot, no nslu2-rules is 1. You will search the wiki first here before asking questions in channel or on the mailing list. 2. Those who ask the questions, update the wiki when they get the answers. 3. Those who complain about the documentation, update the wiki to make it better. 4. Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot access. 5. Friends don't let friends flash custom bootloaders without |
| 23:57.58 | jbot | ka6sox-office: okay |
| 23:57.58 | ka6sox-office | confirmed JTAG access. 6. You must read and follow the steps in the README file precisely when flashing firmware. |
| 23:58.06 | ka6sox-office | ~nslu2-rules |
| 23:58.07 | jbot | nslu2-rules is, like, 1. You will search the wiki first here before asking questions in channel or on the mailing list. 2. Those who ask the questions, update the wiki when they get the answers. 3. Those who complain about the documentation, update the wiki to make it better. 4. Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot access. 5. ... |
| 23:58.23 | rwhitby-web | jeanfabrice: I wouldn't bother about patching the default home dir, as scripts will need to set that manually anyway |
| 23:58.36 | jeanfabrice | ok. less patch |
| 23:59.00 | ka6sox-office | looks like I'll have to abbreivate... |
| 23:59.17 | jeanfabrice | I can then go to bed as wife is now sleeping for 3 hours... |
| 23:59.35 | rwhitby-web | jeanfabrice: night! |
| 23:59.53 | jp30-work | night, jf. i'm heading home; i'll drop back into the channel when i get there if anyone needs me |