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| 13:00.43 | krnlyng | thp: running android java services is difficult though :D, works but pain in the ass |
| 13:01.24 | krnlyng | thp: i havent had success with the nitdroid kernel + nemo/saiflish so far |
| 13:02.24 | krnlyng | thp: btw i am liar (from tmo/github) |
| 13:03.16 | smokex | krnlyng: have you done a diff between the nemo/mer N950 kernel and the nitdroid kernel source? |
| 13:03.16 | krnlyng | thp: do you know if i need any patches on top of android-n900/kernel-ng to get it booting? |
| 13:03.24 | krnlyng | smokex: not yet |
| 13:05.13 | thp | krnlyng: hey :) |
| 13:05.22 | krnlyng | thp: hi :) |
| 13:05.25 | thp | know i didn't build from source, just used zImage.pr13 directly |
| 13:05.51 | thp | s/know/krnlyng:/ |
| 13:06.20 | krnlyng | ok |
| 13:07.15 | thp | krnlyng: haven't tried nitdroid kernel + nemo, only nitdroid kernel + harmattan + nitdroid userland |
| 13:07.40 | thp | krnlyng: why do you want nitdroid kernel + nemo/sailfish? |
| 13:08.15 | krnlyng | thp: i am trying to get aliendalvik running on top of nemo/sailfish |
| 13:09.22 | krnlyng | on the n9 |
| 13:10.03 | thp | why aliendalvik and not simply nitdroid? |
| 13:10.45 | krnlyng | i don't want to dual boot anymore^^ |
| 13:11.03 | thp | no need for dual-boot |
| 13:11.20 | krnlyng | chroot? |
| 13:11.24 | thp | yeah |
| 13:11.28 | krnlyng | thp: nitdroid is also more overhead |
| 13:11.38 | thp | why is nitdroid more overhead? |
| 13:12.19 | krnlyng | don't you need to start all the nitdroid services to get android apps working? |
| 13:12.53 | krnlyng | s/nitdroid/android/ |
| 13:13.13 | thp | but don't you need to do the same with aliendalvik as well? |
| 13:13.29 | krnlyng | yeah but i suppose thats easier? |
| 13:13.50 | krnlyng | and maybe still less overhead? but i don't know |
| 13:13.55 | thp | well, for one, aliendalvik is proprietary sw; nitdroid is based on aosp -> free/libre |
| 13:14.50 | krnlyng | thp: once aliendalvik works, we can start replacing the services with patched nitdroid ones |
| 13:14.56 | thp | the sources for nitdroid are (apart from the gfx drivers and maybe some other blobs) open |
| 13:15.37 | smokex | why couldn't we create our own aliendalvik clone |
| 13:15.41 | thp | krnlyng: imho it would be easier to just start from vanilla nitdroid and get it running that way instead of trying to replicate what alien is doing |
| 13:15.53 | smokex | not a clone but create the same functionality only open source |
| 13:16.29 | thp | smokex: that'd be great - but even then, it'd probably be easier/better to start from vanilla aosp/nitdroid instead of basing things on alien |
| 13:16.39 | smokex | we don't want to dual boot :) |
| 13:16.57 | smokex | we want to run android apps in sailfish |
| 13:17.12 | thp | yeah, i know. that's what i'm talking about |
| 13:17.14 | krnlyng | as far as i can see aliendalvik does exactly what i tried to do with apkenv |
| 13:17.16 | smokex | we don't want ot chroot |
| 13:17.28 | thp | smokex: basically what you want is android in a window, right? |
| 13:17.31 | smokex | we just want to start the app |
| 13:17.42 | krnlyng | thp: thats what we want :) |
| 13:18.14 | thp | so if you want android in a window, put nitdroid in a chroot and make it render to a window instead of to the whole screen |
| 13:19.21 | smokex | we want the android apps on the sailfish apps list |
| 13:19.33 | smokex | click the icon for the app and the app opens |
| 13:19.55 | thp | yeah for that you have to do some more work, obviously |
| 13:20.12 | smokex | yeah |
| 13:20.24 | thp | but it's not important for the first step i think |
| 13:20.29 | smokex | kind of like how wine works |
| 13:21.10 | smokex | call it... aine |
| 13:21.12 | thp | putting the android apps on the app list is the easy part later on, it's mostly just cosmetic |
| 13:29.22 | krnlyng | thp: have you tried using a chroot and haveing it render into a window? i tried that earlier as you might remember but i failed because i am stupid |
| 13:30.44 | thp | only under harmattan, not under nemo |
| 13:30.52 | thp | but it would probably work under nemo too |
| 13:32.56 | smokex | would the x vs wayland thing be an issue |
| 13:33.14 | krnlyng | thp: but you only tried dalvikvm right? and no gui apps? |
| 13:33.18 | smokex | iirc wayland actually contains a moddule for rendering x windows |
| 13:34.34 | thp | no, x vs wayland is not an issue there |
| 13:35.32 | thp | krnlyng: with gui apps, the dalvikvm-only thing was last year, wasn't very spectacular (see also the blog post about that) |
| 13:37.29 | thp | (x vs wayland isn't an issue, because you can actually use a higher-level toolkit such as Qt5 [on nemo] or SDL [on harmattan] to do the window system talking |
| 13:37.57 | krnlyng | thp: hm cool |
| 13:40.20 | krnlyng | thp: did you post the results with gui apps on your blog too? |
| 13:40.39 | thp | didn't do that yet |
| 13:40.49 | thp | krnlyng: what was the problem you ran into when you tried it? |
| 13:41.02 | krnlyng | thp: i couldn't get it to render anything |
| 13:41.34 | krnlyng | but i tried it differently, i used the android linker as i described in my last post on tmo in the apkenv development channel |
| 13:41.45 | krnlyng | it rendered something |
| 13:41.49 | krnlyng | but not to the window :D |
| 13:41.54 | thp | hehe ;) |
| 13:42.41 | thp | well, if you compare harmattan's omap graphics kernel modules and the kernel modules shipped with nitdroid, you'll find that they are different ones |
| 13:43.13 | thp | first, i tried copying over the nitdroid kernel modules over the harmattan ones, but that made it unbootable, didn't investigate too much what went wrong there |
| 13:43.51 | thp | but i think harmattan's kernel modules (omaplfb and friends) don't understand some commands the android GLES/EGL libs are sending |
| 13:44.42 | krnlyng | thp: yeah i can look up which if you need it |
| 13:44.48 | krnlyng | thp: i had issues with those too |
| 13:45.07 | krnlyng | thp: i tried to use parts of the android emulator code which emulates exactly those commands |
| 13:45.19 | krnlyng | but i was too lazy to finish it/it was just too much for me |
| 13:49.42 | krnlyng | thp: ah i remember what there was another thing |
| 13:50.17 | krnlyng | the android binaries expect a special EGLDisplay returned by eglGetDisplay |
| 13:50.25 | krnlyng | they access the struct |
| 13:50.42 | krnlyng | s/struct/struct members/ |
| 13:55.21 | krnlyng | thp: eglCreateImageKHR, eglDestroyImageKHR |
| 13:55.23 | krnlyng | for example |
| 13:55.27 | krnlyng | and on the gles side |
| 13:56.44 | thp | krnlyng: oh yeah, because you are trying to load parts of the android system via the linker? |
| 13:56.57 | krnlyng | yeah |
| 13:57.04 | thp | krnlyng: in general, even though some apps might work without android services running, most apps are probably only running (correctly) if the services are running |
| 13:57.19 | thp | krnlyng: so best would be to try to run nitdroid in a chroot |
| 13:57.26 | thp | and get it to render something to the framebuffer |
| 13:57.30 | smokex | are all services necessary |
| 13:57.30 | krnlyng | yeah |
| 13:57.34 | krnlyng | no |
| 13:57.38 | krnlyng | not all |
| 13:57.45 | smokex | can we only run services that are necessary for an app to work |
| 13:57.50 | thp | smokex: probably not all of them, but i haven't spent any time on trying to figure out which ones are and which ones aren't |
| 13:58.13 | krnlyng | figuring that out is a pain in the ass, really |
| 13:58.15 | smokex | we want to minimise cpu/memory->battery use |
| 13:58.45 | krnlyng | i tried starting an app with only dalvikvm and a few dummy classes |
| 13:58.47 | krnlyng | no luck |
| 13:58.54 | thp | smokex: if you want to minimise cpu/memory/battery use, write native apps :p |
| 13:59.01 | smokex | ;D |
| 13:59.10 | smokex | agreed |
| 13:59.39 | smokex | how long do you think it would take us to crank out 4000 replacements for android apps |
| 13:59.50 | smokex | lol I'm ready to start now |
| 13:59.58 | smokex | seriously |
| 14:03.27 | krnlyng | thp: i think aliendalvik will probably work ootb if we can get the nitdroid kernel to boot nemo |
| 14:03.39 | krnlyng | maybe mysatroker is needed but i've got a workaround for that too |
| 14:04.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm quite sure a tiny bit of cleaning up and consolidating and you'll end with 200 apps like ebook-reader instead of 4000 apps like "acme ebook (incl reader)" |
| 14:05.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you even can consolidate the 10000 fart apps into ne that allows selecting from 10000 fart sounds |
| 14:05.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | one* |
| 14:05.56 | krnlyng | nemo/sailfish^^ |
| 14:06.08 | thp | if the system ends up being a nicer shell / homescreen to host android apps, then we've lost, anyway |
| 14:06.31 | krnlyng | thats right... |
| 14:08.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, on N9 I seen like 200 apps "XY RSS feed" |
| 14:08.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think that's pretty insane |
| 14:09.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably 80% of the "apps2 were just an URL to open in browser |
| 14:09.36 | smokex | lol DocScrutinizer05 |
| 14:09.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/2/"/ |
| 14:10.01 | thp | krnlyng: this is how it looks with nitdroid in a chroot, btw: http://o.thp.io/tmp/2013-12-15_harmattan-nitdroid.png |
| 14:11.22 | smokex | how hard would it be to run vmware in sailfish.. |
| 14:13.41 | krnlyng | thp: nice! |
| 14:13.57 | krnlyng | thp: was it difficult to set that up? |
| 14:15.00 | thp | an afternoon of trial and error + ~ 5 reflashes due to the graphics drivers copying stopping harmattan from booting |
| 14:36.45 | vakkov | niiiice |
| 14:36.52 | vakkov | tell us more about it :P |
| 14:37.44 | vakkov | damn, last time i built kernel-ng (for n900) was 1.5 years ago and it was working ... now it isn't :( |
| 15:16.23 | krnlyng | vakkov: same for me |
| 15:16.38 | krnlyng | except the part where it worked 1.5 years ago :D |
| 15:17.46 | vakkov | for n9 you use the same kernel to boot harmattan too, right? |
| 15:19.24 | krnlyng | i use one of juiceme's kernel or the n9-2.6 adaptation kernel i built |
| 15:19.30 | krnlyng | for nemo |
| 15:19.39 | krnlyng | and harmattan opermode+l2fix |
| 15:21.45 | krnlyng | i am just diffing the 2.6 mer adaptation kernel against kernel-ng |
| 15:48.13 | krnlyng | can anyone start do: /opt/alien/system/script/start_alien.sh and post the output? i am wondering if you see the same as me |
| 16:02.41 | smokex | let me restart |
| 16:07.44 | smokex | first try, alien_init MUST be run as root |
| 16:12.16 | smokex | lots of crap not found |
| 16:12.37 | smokex | audio/media libraries |
| 16:12.58 | smokex | crap load of errors |
| 16:14.46 | smokex | let me ssh in so I can copy to a pastebin |
| 16:21.28 | krnlyng | smokex: any different to this: http://pastebin.com/i0E7Dysa |
| 16:21.29 | krnlyng | ? |
| 16:25.13 | smokex | http://pastebin.com/FFh4zrre |
| 16:25.47 | smokex | identical |
| 16:26.24 | smokex | that signal slot connection between different threads doesn't look right |
| 16:26.50 | smokex | would the sailfish devs make that mistake? |
| 16:26.54 | smokex | and not know it? |
| 16:30.19 | krnlyng | don't know |
| 16:30.35 | krnlyng | vakkov: if you manage to boot the ng kernel, please tell me what was wrong |
| 16:31.14 | vakkov | you know i'm on an n900 and yours is a meego kernel with android patches? |
| 16:31.37 | krnlyng | oh |
| 16:31.38 | vakkov | while n900's ng is 2.6.35.9 with meego CE patches and android patches :D |
| 16:31.45 | krnlyng | ok :D |
| 16:31.52 | krnlyng | forgot you had a n900 |
| 16:32.34 | smokex | you have sailfish running on an n900? |
| 16:35.37 | vakkov | noo |
| 16:35.47 | vakkov | trying to boot nemo with android kernel |
| 16:35.59 | krnlyng | i have patched mysatroker such that it should work on a slightly modified kernel |
| 16:36.01 | vakkov | the thing is the kernel is broken so it won't even boot android :D |
| 16:36.18 | krnlyng | :D |
| 16:37.07 | vakkov | i think i have booted an old nemo x11 with 2.6.28 nitdroid kernel (and not even entering the ui) |
| 16:37.26 | vakkov | and all that in qemu emulating n900 |
| 17:24.52 | valdur55 | krnlyng: did ju managed to play with rotation? |
| 17:27.35 | krnlyng | valdur55: i cant even boot the 3.5.3 adaptation kernel so i gave up |
| 17:27.57 | krnlyng | valdur55: can you tell me what i need to change again? i will try with the 2.6 kernel |
| 17:30.48 | krnlyng | valdur55: nvm found the message |
| 17:30.51 | valdur55 | ok :) |
| 17:33.46 | krnlyng | valdur55: that enum is used in switch case statements |
| 17:34.00 | krnlyng | so i get error: duplicate case value everywhere |
| 17:36.35 | valdur55 | fun :D |
| 17:37.21 | valdur55 | or use: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6610616/ |
| 17:39.05 | valdur55 | it is oppisite of original one... |
| 17:40.20 | valdur55 | krnlyng: ^ |
| 17:41.45 | krnlyng | lol that doesn't seem right |
| 17:41.47 | krnlyng | :D |
| 17:42.09 | krnlyng | it's rotated |
| 17:42.11 | krnlyng | everything is rotated |
| 17:42.15 | krnlyng | how can i describe it... |
| 17:42.24 | krnlyng | half screen is black |
| 17:42.33 | krnlyng | half screen is half of the normal screen |
| 17:42.40 | krnlyng | and it's rotated |
| 17:43.26 | krnlyng | valdur55: ^^ |
| 17:44.28 | valdur55 | fun :) |
| 17:46.19 | valdur55 | but wha about swipes? |
| 17:46.28 | krnlyng | the pin entry screen is outside the phone ;) |
| 17:46.37 | krnlyng | i didn't try more |
| 17:49.44 | valdur55 | can you sare this kernel ? :D |
| 17:49.47 | valdur55 | adaption. |
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| 18:14.32 | krnlyng | valdur55: if it doesn't bother you that i implemented a few mysatroker stuffs in it, i can share it :) |
| 18:23.40 | valdur55 | krnlyng: no problem. maybe i can help you with testing :D |
| 18:24.11 | krnlyng | valdur55: would be nice :) |
| 18:24.30 | krnlyng | https://www.mediafire.com/?1hbpvjlqmioenod |
| 18:24.32 | krnlyng | modules |
| 18:24.44 | krnlyng | https://www.mediafire.com/?is02chiqou19h72 |
| 18:24.45 | krnlyng | kernel |
| 18:27.32 | valdur55 | but adaption? |
| 18:36.46 | krnlyng | valdur55: adaption? |
| 18:36.51 | krnlyng | you mean the working kernel? |
| 18:37.15 | krnlyng | the above is the kernel with your settings |
| 18:37.17 | krnlyng | and the modules |
| 18:39.44 | krnlyng | valdur55: https://www.mediafire.com/?m8bsocp7v3j9t8f |
| 18:40.04 | krnlyng | this is the kernel without your patch |
| 18:42.13 | valdur55 | i meant that the kernel adaption is a package :D |
| 18:42.55 | krnlyng | what do you need a package for :O? |
| 18:43.37 | valdur55 | for installing (o.o) |
| 18:44.00 | krnlyng | valdur55: install it manually ;) |
| 18:44.21 | krnlyng | no need for the effort of creating a package |
| 18:44.26 | valdur55 | :D |
| 18:45.35 | krnlyng | you know how to install it? |
| 18:45.41 | krnlyng | kernel into /boot |
| 18:45.48 | krnlyng | modules to / |
| 18:45.50 | krnlyng | err |
| 18:46.48 | krnlyng | moudules into /lib/modules/2.6.32.54/ |
| 18:46.52 | valdur55 | sure :) i use linux every day :D |
| 18:47.03 | krnlyng | ok :D |
| 18:47.14 | krnlyng | why do you need a package then :D? |
| 18:47.32 | krnlyng | or did i understand something wrong :D? |
| 18:47.39 | valdur55 | because i am lazy :( |
| 18:47.43 | krnlyng | :D |
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| 20:57.54 | valdur55 | ok. installing it now.. |
| 20:58.33 | vakkov | found an old build of 2.6.35 and it runs in qemu .. |
| 21:00.27 | valdur55 | krnlyng: damn... what i should do zImage ... |
| 21:19.16 | valdur55 | ok. got it :) |
| 21:20.55 | valdur55 | swipes are still in same pos. even touch inputs are calculated by portait mode.... |
| 21:21.37 | valdur55 | trial and error ;) |
