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| 02:58.50 | herdingcat | is there any good n9 repo? |
| 02:59.52 | psycho_oreos | define good |
| 03:00.21 | herdingcat | psycho_oreos, many apps |
| 03:00.34 | herdingcat | psycho_oreos, just thought n9 is lacking of apps |
| 03:01.42 | psycho_oreos | herdingcat, that's a known deficit, you can't really resolve that known deficit simply because there are less than a handful of repo around |
| 03:03.53 | psycho_oreos | iinm there are only 5 repo for meego |
| 04:47.39 | herdingcat | psycho_oreos, which 5? |
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| 04:59.18 | psycho_oreos | herdingcat, including ovi (which isn't exactly a repo but anyway): harmattan-dev, apps for meego (testing and stable) and community-shared-repo |
| 05:00.16 | Arie | i came to the party late |
| 05:07.39 | herdingcat | psycho_oreos, can you show me the url? |
| 05:08.55 | psycho_oreos | herdingcat, of which? |
| 05:09.31 | herdingcat | psycho_oreos, those repos |
| 05:12.17 | psycho_oreos | herdingcat, will take me sometime typing it out by hand, though you can enable those through various means :p |
| 05:18.35 | Arie | psycho_oreos: what is the easiest way to enable them? |
| 05:20.26 | psycho_oreos | Arie, through mostly maybe ovi store (again I must stress that ovi is no longer a repo). Though apps for meego has their own little client app somewhere |
| 05:21.15 | Arie | psycho_oreos: i despise ovi store and apps for meego is a very dead repor |
| 05:21.30 | Arie | psycho_oreos: repo |
| 05:22.27 | psycho_oreos | Arie, there aren't that many lively repo for GUI apps-wise :) I'm formidable with CLI stuff personally so things from harmattan-dev for instance would give me access to a wider range of `apps' |
| 05:23.04 | Arie | psycho_oreos: Harmattan needed repos like maemo had |
| 05:25.02 | psycho_oreos | Arie, unfortunately that won't happen as easily mainly due to a fair few circumstances |
| 05:25.22 | Arie | psycho_oreos: what are those circumstances? |
| 05:27.27 | psycho_oreos | Arie, to me: 1) aegis being the general pita, 2) uneven playing ground with devs and end users alike.. a fair few devs along with some lucky users gets N950 which initially acted differently compared to n9.. though N950 is still somewhat nice to have except nokia doesn't hand them out like lollies to the general public. 3) n9 is only being sold in selected countries, without worldwide coverage and with the hardware being sold from 3rd party, the n9 |
| 05:27.28 | psycho_oreos | remains more niche imo than the previous maemo generations |
| 05:29.53 | Arie | psycho_oreos: in response to 1)we have inception, in response to 2) it's an oversized paperweight, the N9 is a far better and more complete test bed, 3) i agree with |
| 05:32.09 | psycho_oreos | Arie, 1) inception is not a do-all, be-all, end-all problem. 2) rather not imo.. I still loathe the idea that it lacks hardware keyboard.. like tremendously.. I could have gotten an iPhone or even mango powered phone if I wanted a pure touchscreen phone |
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| 05:35.01 | psycho_oreos | wb, recapping on what I said: |
| 05:35.05 | psycho_oreos | Arie, 1) inception is not a do-all, be-all, end-all problem. 2) rather not imo.. I still loathe the idea that it lacks hardware keyboard.. like tremendously.. I could have gotten an iPhone or even mango powered phone if I wanted a pure touchscreen phone |
| 05:35.43 | Arie | psycho_oreos: from what I understans inception is a do-all, be-all, end-all |
| 05:36.00 | Arie | the hardware keyboard on the N950 is ok at best |
| 05:36.15 | psycho_oreos | and none of maemo generations never did away without a hardware keyboard.. all had a hardware keyboard except n9 |
| 05:36.25 | Arie | the N9's keyboard feels more natural to me and I hate vkb's |
| 05:36.55 | psycho_oreos | inception is broken with the latest firmware iinm, and aegis still gets in the way with disallowing certain installations |
| 05:36.55 | Arie | btw, wp and ios suck, ive tried both, i always come back to the n9 :) |
| 05:37.18 | Arie | inception v0.1.1 works flawlessly |
| 05:37.23 | Arie | as does |
| 05:37.31 | Arie | aegis disappearing |
| 05:37.39 | Arie | what doesn't allow you to install? |
| 05:37.41 | psycho_oreos | if I wanted vkb again, my point is I could have looked elsewhere, I did not initially wanted n9 purely because it lacked hardware keyboard |
| 05:37.53 | psycho_oreos | gnu-tar from harmattan-dev for instance |
| 05:38.58 | psycho_oreos | I could have simply used my N900 with its vkb.. and how hard was it to break n9's vkb? dead easy.. n9tweak tool and voila broken vkb when you adjust the keyboard size. The matter gets worse when you have a lock screen |
| 05:39.34 | psycho_oreos | no copy and paste in browser under n9? LAME |
| 05:40.07 | psycho_oreos | N900 allowed me to just do Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V, I'm sure I could have done the same had I own N950, but no, n9 lacks features like this |
| 05:40.23 | Arie | psycho_oreos: n9 tweak as much as i love it is a very shoddy efforr |
| 05:40.25 | Arie | effort |
| 05:40.29 | psycho_oreos | and yet I hear people like you heralding n9's vkb superiority |
| 05:40.50 | psycho_oreos | Arie, shoddy but better than nothing because nokia wouldn't release a nice tool like this otherwise |
| 05:41.06 | Arie | psycho_oreos: n950 doesn't have a copy paste function |
| 05:41.22 | Arie | psycho_oreos: i agree, but ive stuck to v6.6 |
| 05:41.31 | Arie | i have the download link if you'd like it |
| 05:41.59 | psycho_oreos | Arie, maybe not globally under N950 but I'm sure you can still copy and paste elsewhere. |
| 05:42.11 | psycho_oreos | Arie, v6.6 of? n9tweak? |
| 05:42.28 | Arie | psycho_oreos: i look at the N9 as a timeless phone, if it had a 12mp cam, fmtx, and a few other tweaks, id keep it till the api's stopped working |
| 05:42.34 | Arie | psycho_oreos:yes |
| 05:43.03 | psycho_oreos | I'm actually content with my copy of n9tweak, the thought of having to battle with aegis sickens me |
| 05:43.31 | psycho_oreos | n9 timeless? maybe, but probably not as timeless and N900.. |
| 05:43.58 | psycho_oreos | and I'd be happier if I got my own N950, so that aegis won't taste as shit as under n9 prior to pr1.1 releases |
| 05:44.33 | psycho_oreos | s/timeless\ and/timeless\ as/ |
| 05:45.07 | Arie | psycho_oreos: aegis still exists on the N950 though |
| 05:45.40 | psycho_oreos | Arie, no doubt, but it was well behaved compared to n9, you could run things like aegis-exec --relaxed-mode for instance and not get permission denied |
| 05:46.06 | psycho_oreos | and this was well before things like openmode-kernel and/or inception existed |
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| 05:47.36 | psycho_oreos | bah |
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| 05:49.14 | Arie | my bad |
| 05:49.31 | psycho_oreos | thought you chickened out :p |
| 05:49.35 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 05:50.59 | Arie | psycho_oreos: no sir, i do not chicken out, i respectfully bow out :p |
| 05:51.10 | psycho_oreos | its not like aegis never existed on N950, it did but you could run things like aegis-exec --relaxed-mode and not get permission denied. On n9 well before openmode-kernel and/or inception was first ever even thought of, it wasn't even possible |
| 05:51.42 | psycho_oreos | heh chickening out would have been more suitable for me :p |
| 05:52.36 | Arie | psycho_oreos: we have aegisctl on inception |
| 05:52.43 | Arie | im not really a fan of open mode |
| 05:53.04 | Arie | i believe that open mode isn't the best option to battle aegis |
| 05:53.48 | psycho_oreos | Arie, I'm aware of aegisctl, though I'm not tempted to try the latest copy of inception as it requires the latest firmware and supposedly the last I heard (which was a good a month or two ago mind you) that the latest firmware patched aegis to break opensh |
| 05:54.13 | psycho_oreos | no it isn't, but it was the only alternative before inception came around.. and even at then inception isn't perfect |
| 05:54.37 | Arie | use the latest firmware, inception v0.1.1 won't be patched till pr1.3 |
| 05:55.14 | psycho_oreos | not even with the minor patch that came out roughly a month after pr1.2 release? |
| 05:55.38 | psycho_oreos | the supposedly `patch security flaw' |
| 05:56.44 | Arie | nope, v0.1.1 works with it :) |
| 05:56.53 | psycho_oreos | goes and checks his version of inception |
| 05:56.57 | Arie | lol |
| 05:57.51 | psycho_oreos | hmm, minor version update.. mine says 0.1 |
| 06:00.07 | psycho_oreos | which version is yours? I'm not look for the prX.X number, but the complete version string |
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| 06:01.47 | Arie | 0.1.1, would you like a download link? |
| 06:02.12 | Arie | uninstall your current version dpkg -i this |
| 06:02.44 | Arie | devel-su -C /usr/sbin/pasiv then yes |
| 06:02.52 | Arie | you will have inception running |
| 06:03.05 | psycho_oreos | that's the version of inception, I meant your firmware |
| 06:03.05 | Arie | add in opensh and aegisctl and you're set |
| 06:03.22 | Arie | oh let me look |
| 06:04.18 | Arie | 30.2012.07-1_PR_005 |
| 06:04.48 | psycho_oreos | hmm seems like the latest |
| 06:05.06 | Arie | it is |
| 06:10.19 | Arie | psycho_oreos: load up v0.1.1 |
| 06:10.52 | psycho_oreos | Arie, I'm backing up before updating my firmware |
| 06:11.16 | Arie | psycho_oreos: are you on PR1.1? |
| 06:11.25 | psycho_oreos | Arie, still am for now |
| 06:11.56 | Arie | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.22 | Arie | better to sync contacts via nokia suite, so as notes and start from scratch on pr1 |
| 06:12.27 | Arie | pr1.2 |
| 06:12.33 | psycho_oreos | haha great |
| 06:13.18 | psycho_oreos | holds off updating until maybe the weekend |
| 06:14.01 | Arie | haha |
| 06:14.19 | Arie | psycho_oreos: who are you on tmo? |
| 06:15.12 | psycho_oreos | and its absurd that I have to do all this crap, aegis on n9 is much like the cert-auth on symbian.. absolute waste of space, time and resources |
| 06:15.24 | psycho_oreos | Arie, tuxsavvy.. I haven't been active on there for awhile now |
| 06:15.38 | Arie | psycho_oreos: love the username |
| 06:15.51 | psycho_oreos | heh ta |
| 06:16.00 | Arie | psycho_oreos: originally, no, now yes aegis is pointless |
| 06:16.57 | psycho_oreos | Arie, I never liked it ever since it was first discussed, period. Nokia just wanted to put a leash on their own linux base to pretend that they cared |
| 06:17.24 | Arie | for the general public, it's great for a mass used device |
| 06:17.30 | Arie | for us, it's dumb |
| 06:18.49 | psycho_oreos | the smaller mass-used public.. nobody knows what maemo or meego is.. they think its some niche platform.. and the way nokia sold n9 in selected countries which it claims that is deliberately making n9 fail has already done its part making the n9 way niche |
| 06:19.33 | psycho_oreos | if n9 was destined to fail by nokia, I couldn't see why nokia bothered in the first place to even put aegis.. maybe paranoia of n9's huge success like it has become now? |
| 06:22.13 | Arie | psycho_oreos: nope, the whole system depends on it now |
| 06:23.40 | psycho_oreos | Arie, well yeah that's what aegis ultimately became.. like an unwanted child |
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| 06:25.07 | psycho_oreos | there are still many things that N900 is still better in terms of tinkering-wise compared to n9 |
| 06:25.39 | psycho_oreos | and because I don't have N950 I cannot spout things like enabling/disabling r&d mode which n9 exclusively prohibits |
| 06:26.03 | Arie | psycho_oreos: r&d mode? |
| 06:26.54 | psycho_oreos | Arie, research and development mode, a mode that you can enable only with linux-flasher.. it works with N900 and its predecessors with the right flasher but you cannot do that with harmattan-flasher and n9 |
| 06:27.25 | psycho_oreos | on N900 it flashes keyboard when there's an activity, shows slightly more verbose screen for instance |
| 06:27.35 | psycho_oreos | and you can bypass various hw mechanisms |
| 06:28.36 | Arie | ah ok |
| 06:28.41 | Arie | never used it |
| 06:29.59 | psycho_oreos | never meant to be used unless: 1) your setup was borked, 2) you're debugging something and you know what you are doing or 3) you're a tinkerer who doesn't mind enabling fancy things like I do. Supposedly enabling R&D mode on N900 chews more power than running in normal/production mode |
| 06:32.26 | Arie | ah ok |
| 06:33.47 | psycho_oreos | if nokia no longer produces any more linux powered phones/devices, which platform would you use next regardless if your n9 died or not? |
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| 09:11.55 | Jonne | word on twitter is p.r.1.3 is out |
| 09:13.07 | Jonne | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1230017 |
| 09:21.44 | petteri | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.27 | Jonne | no changelog to be found as of yet |
| 09:22.37 | jonni | might be fake :) |
| 09:22.50 | Jonne | so for all i know they just decided to increment the version number to stop us from whining |
| 09:23.03 | phako | ;) |
| 09:23.26 | phako | does anyone know which nokia car charger is compatible with the N9 ? |
| 09:23.29 | Jonne | which is something i'd to, to be honest |
| 09:24.00 | jonni | phako: all the chargers are if you short d+ and d- ;-) |
| 09:24.01 | Jonne | i bought a generic one that works fine, phako |
| 09:24.13 | Jonne | anything that does USB out should be fine |
| 09:24.16 | phako | Jonne: I've a 1200ma generic one that doesn't |
| 09:24.31 | phako | which is annoying |
| 09:24.37 | jonni | Jonne: not really some usb ones dont work without d+d- short |
| 09:24.49 | Jonne | in that case i got lucky |
| 09:25.00 | Jonne | can't tell you which one i have, though |
| 09:25.37 | jonni | phako: you can make your 1200ma working with 2euro extra plug: talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83519&page=2 |
| 09:25.48 | Jonne | also, pr1.3 is not available for my model yet, just checked for updates |
| 09:25.51 | phako | jonni: what's the symptoms if it doesn't have it shortened? "NOt enough power to charge" or not charging at all? |
| 09:26.25 | jonni | phako: usually not charging at all, but depending on charger it can also say not enough power |
| 09:27.27 | jonni | phako: when d+ and d- is shorted, then N9 thinks that its a wall charger, and goes into charging mode. |
| 09:27.48 | phako | and if it isn't, it thinks it's a computing device and waits for something? |
| 09:30.10 | jonni | if it isnt then yes it assumes pc and waits for usb enumeration/init messages and defaults to max 500mA (in wall mode it changes to 1A). (plus it doesnt regognize iphone optimized car chargers because they use propriatary protocol, thats why d+d- plug is the best solution). |
| 09:30.40 | phako | ah. |
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| 13:53.18 | phako | jonni: hm, shortened it and it still doesn't work. |
| 13:53.34 | phako | maybe the adapter is just lying :) |
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| 14:55.17 | Jonne | question about IMAP+gmail (only half-related to the N9): is it normal that when you mark something as read on one client (say, your phone), it doesn't propagate to other clients/gmail? |
| 14:57.19 | Jonne | i have to sync manually to trigger that, basically |
| 14:57.42 | Jonne | is there a way to get fenix to mark something as read as soon as i read it (provided i have a connection)? |
| 15:01.43 | Jonne | also, if i have multiple e-mails i find that thunderbird at home only marked the top one as read |
| 15:01.52 | Jonne | anyway, it doesn't seem to work right |
| 15:13.44 | jonni | sounds like quite default behaviour of imap4 protocol though. |
| 15:18.47 | Jonne | that sucks |
| 15:19.19 | Jonne | maybe i should look into MFE, see what this does |
| 15:19.21 | jonni | havent checked the configs, there might be some sync immediately option, but that will drain your battery quite fast |
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