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| 03:07.53 | Guest44609 | hello,anyone know if memscanner could work in n9 like in n900 |
| 03:26.51 | itsnotabigtruck | don't think so |
| 03:30.04 | Guest44609 | itsnotabigtruck:is there no way to make it compatible since it runs on maemo 5 |
| 03:30.31 | Guest44609 | i meant even if its hard way i could try it |
| 03:32.02 | itsnotabigtruck | Guest44609: i'm assuming it uses /dev/mem |
| 03:32.06 | itsnotabigtruck | which isn't available on the N9 |
| 03:32.24 | itsnotabigtruck | it would allow subverting the security features fairly easily |
| 03:34.11 | Guest44609 | ok |
| 03:34.39 | Guest44609 | is there any memory scanning command for terminal you know? |
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| 09:18.23 | marsje | how do I define an alias in N9 terminal/shell? |
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| 09:40.06 | petteri | no idea. I have just added shors scripts to bin |
| 09:40.28 | petteri | maybe install bash and login to that when loggin in to terminal |
| 09:53.47 | marsje | petteri: yeah, I could also make a script |
| 09:53.56 | marsje | is ~/bin in the path? |
| 10:01.56 | petteri | no, but is just have one char scripts under it like bin/a bin/b bin/c |
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| 11:50.13 | marsje | petteri: I added /home/user/bin to the path in .profile |
| 11:50.24 | marsje | so just have to type one letter now |
| 11:50.41 | petteri | ok, thanks. I'll do the same thing |
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| 14:04.02 | b00^wk | dudes |
| 14:04.19 | b00^wk | wtf, why is that I'm unable to start the wifi hotspot unless i'm connected to a wlan somehow ? |
| 14:04.21 | b00^wk | why ? |
| 14:04.35 | b00^wk | what if I just want a bunch of local stations to use my n9 as a wifi ap |
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| 14:50.53 | phako | presumable it needs an internet connection |
| 14:51.44 | b00^wk | and i want to BAN it to use it :P |
| 15:40.38 | itsnotabigtruck | b00^wk: there has to bea way to make this happen, the question is how |
| 15:40.48 | itsnotabigtruck | what happened when you tried to put it into ad-hoc mode? |
| 15:41.30 | b00^wk | ok, |
| 15:41.38 | b00^wk | lets first establish what i want to do : |
| 15:42.01 | b00^wk | use my n9 as a software access point |
| 15:42.27 | b00^wk | internet / wlan is irrelevant, but i want clients to talk through the software access point created with the N9's app |
| 15:42.50 | b00^wk | this setup works, BUT ONLY with the (in my ignorant view) stupid MUST of having the WLAN (3G connection) on |
| 15:43.06 | b00^wk | and i honestly don't see why there is no option to have it OFF also |
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| 16:15.00 | itsnotabigtruck | b00^wk: you said you tried to put it in adhoc mode and it wouldn't let you? |
| 16:15.08 | itsnotabigtruck | what did you try and what happened |
| 16:15.27 | b00^wk | itsnotabigtruck, "Wifi Hotspot" |
| 16:15.33 | b00^wk | do you call this adhoc ? |
| 16:16.47 | itsnotabigtruck | b00^wk: well yeah, that uses adhoc mode |
| 16:16.56 | itsnotabigtruck | i thought you attempted to configure it into adhoc mode another way |
| 16:17.09 | itsnotabigtruck | i think normally you'd use iwconfig or something? except iwconfig doesn't seem to be on the phone |
| 16:17.21 | b00^wk | noppppppppppe |
| 16:17.23 | b00^wk | there is NOt |
| 16:19.46 | b00^wk | i seriously need to look at that app source if its available.. |
| 16:19.58 | itsnotabigtruck | b00^wk: apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 16:19.59 | itsnotabigtruck | it's in the repo |
| 16:20.06 | b00^wk | ha, they are ? |
| 16:20.07 | b00^wk | ok |
| 16:20.17 | b00^wk | i'l be baaaakk .. |
| 16:20.25 | itsnotabigtruck | that gets you iwconfig, try putting it in adhoc mode and report whether it worked |
| 16:20.41 | b00^wk | adhoc mode is just part of the problem |
| 16:20.53 | b00^wk | and, yes, it is enabled, i can see that in the /sys |
| 16:21.12 | itsnotabigtruck | also remember to run iwconfig from develsh |
| 16:21.20 | itsnotabigtruck | run accli -I and verify that CAP::net_admin is int he list |
| 16:21.23 | itsnotabigtruck | if not, run develsh first |
| 16:22.32 | b00^wk | now i wonder if this is a true hotspot / sofware access point, or is this an ad-hoc with dhcp access ... |
| 16:22.36 | b00^wk | probably it is |
| 16:22.46 | b00^wk | bla |
| 16:23.37 | itsnotabigtruck | b00^wk: joikuspot is the latter |
| 16:23.53 | itsnotabigtruck | apparently the n9's wlan chip supports the former |
| 16:24.16 | itsnotabigtruck | joikuspot = the built-in wifi hotspot program for the avoidance of doubt |
| 16:24.22 | b00^wk | aaah |
| 16:24.23 | b00^wk | ok :( |
| 16:24.31 | itsnotabigtruck | btw you can tether your N9 through your pc, which would save a lot of trouble |
| 16:24.47 | b00^wk | tether ? |
| 16:25.14 | itsnotabigtruck | 'tethering' is using your phone's internet from your pc |
| 16:25.20 | itsnotabigtruck | but i forgot that's not what you're trying to do |
| 16:25.47 | b00^wk | itsnotabigtruck, what does that wifi hotspot program do besides 1) dhcp'ing on clients; 2) starting wlan connection ? |
| 16:26.03 | itsnotabigtruck | i think that's more or less it |
| 16:26.12 | itsnotabigtruck | also because of that you likely need to install a dhcp daemon |
| 16:26.57 | b00^wk | i thought /hoped the actual wlan chip has a built-in support for ap |
| 16:27.37 | b00^wk | <itsnotabigtruck> i think that's more or less it |
| 16:27.50 | b00^wk | and if its so, it KILLs me why it wants me to have the WAN / 3g on |
| 16:27.53 | b00^wk | seriously |
| 16:28.06 | b00^wk | anyway, im off for a while |
| 16:29.05 | itsnotabigtruck | because that's the normal use case... |
| 16:29.17 | itsnotabigtruck | what you don't seem to understand is that you're doing something unusual |
| 16:29.30 | itsnotabigtruck | and it's possible to do unusual things but that requires unusual effort |
| 16:30.17 | itsnotabigtruck | b00^wk ^ |
| 16:34.24 | marsje | speaking of networking... |
| 16:34.46 | marsje | when out of reach of wifi and some app likes to use the internet |
| 16:34.56 | marsje | I get this option to connect to internert throught 3G |
| 16:35.00 | marsje | then I say: cancel |
| 16:35.11 | marsje | but it pops right back up to ask me again |
| 16:35.13 | marsje | and again, etc |
| 16:35.20 | marsje | anyway I can prevent this? |
| 16:37.12 | marsje | I'm talking about the SportsTracker app |
| 16:37.46 | marsje | I think it wants to get online to get the map or to get gps info |
| 16:40.37 | marsje | it would be nice if you could allow/disallow network access on an app basis |
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| 17:57.21 | b00^portal | marsje, probably 'allow background connections ' to off |
| 17:57.38 | b00^portal | and you can move 3g from automatically to manually |
| 17:58.10 | b00^portal | itsnotabigtruck, hey i don't object to extra effort |
| 17:58.39 | b00^portal | its just that , seems someone would like, make such app feature |
| 17:59.16 | b00^portal | seems strange that is |
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| 19:03.50 | jesuschrist | hi |
| 19:04.48 | jesuschrist | anyone alive ? |
| 19:07.03 | jonne|reconnecte | checks pulse |
| 19:07.21 | jonne|reconnecte | ... no |
| 19:07.41 | jesuschrist | :| |
| 19:07.55 | jesuschrist | i wonder how to disable sms delivery reports on the n9 |
| 19:08.02 | jesuschrist | any idea jonne ? |
| 19:08.15 | jonne|reconnecte | i think i saw that option somewhere |
| 19:08.22 | jesuschrist | i didnt find it :\ |
| 19:08.44 | jesuschrist | last bill i paied 12 euros on those damn reports :( |
| 19:09.06 | jonne|reconnecte | settings>applications>messages |
| 19:09.12 | jesuschrist | ahhhh |
| 19:10.06 | jesuschrist | thank you very much sir |
| 19:11.04 | jesuschrist | do you use lpsmagic jonne ? |
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| 19:19.45 | jonne|reconnecte | not sure what that is |
| 19:20.35 | jesuschrist | i guess that means "no" :> |
| 19:22.30 | jesuschrist | jonne|reconnecte : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81923 |
| 19:24.55 | jonne|reconnecte | i think the lock screen is already too bright as it is :/ |
| 19:25.20 | jesuschrist | tastes :) |
| 19:25.24 | jonne|reconnecte | is there a mod to change the font of the clock yet? |
| 19:25.32 | jonne|reconnecte | i'd love to use a very light font |
| 19:25.40 | jesuschrist | i thought you could change colours |
| 19:25.45 | jesuschrist | and stuff |
| 19:25.48 | jesuschrist | not sure about it |
| 19:26.10 | jonne|reconnecte | it's not tastes, i just feel it's too bright at night, especially because it jumps around |
| 19:26.47 | jonne|reconnecte | i know why it jumps around, it just distracts me too much when the screen is in my field of view |
| 19:28.28 | jesuschrist | you coul just block |
| 19:28.31 | jesuschrist | the light sensor |
| 19:28.42 | jesuschrist | with a piece of papaer |
| 19:28.47 | jesuschrist | so the screen shut down |
| 19:29.11 | jesuschrist | http://n9-apps.com/n9tweak |
| 19:29.14 | jesuschrist | check this |
| 19:29.20 | jesuschrist | not sure if its gonna help you |
| 19:31.02 | jonne|reconnecte | i just got it last week, so i'll wait a bit before i screw it up completely :p |
| 19:32.03 | jonne|reconnecte | would love it if i could control the distance between 'jumps' |
| 19:32.24 | jonne|reconnecte | like make it move 5px at a time, but more frequently or something |
| 19:32.53 | jesuschrist | hm |
| 19:33.14 | jesuschrist | anyway if you block the sensor with a piece of paper the screen turns off |
| 19:33.26 | jonne|reconnecte | or i can just turn it off |
| 19:33.47 | jonne|reconnecte | but i like having the clock available when i do want to know the time |
| 19:33.49 | jesuschrist | i avoid to turn my n9 off because of the password bug |
| 19:33.58 | jonne|reconnecte | or whether i have messages |
| 19:34.06 | jonne|reconnecte | i mean the lockscreen |
| 19:34.16 | jonne|reconnecte | you can turn it off in the settings somewhere |
| 19:34.25 | jesuschrist | oh cool, but that means |
| 19:34.33 | jesuschrist | 1 - goodbye battery |
| 19:34.42 | jesuschrist | 2 - burn in effect ? |
| 19:35.06 | jonne|reconnecte | i think it means the screen goes blank, with nothing on it |
| 19:35.19 | jonne|reconnecte | haven't tried it |
| 19:35.27 | jesuschrist | ah ok |
| 19:35.42 | jonne|reconnecte | but am i really the only one that gets distracted by the jumping around thing? |
| 19:36.02 | jesuschrist | i can tell that im not at all bothered by it |
| 19:36.32 | jesuschrist | the zones app turns the screen off |
| 19:36.34 | jesuschrist | anyway |
| 19:36.48 | jesuschrist | do you like your n9 ? |
| 19:37.36 | jonne|reconnecte | coming from the N900, i wished it had a keyboard |
| 19:37.50 | Chaz6 | It's a shame they didn't sell the n950 |
| 19:38.00 | jonne|reconnecte | the N950 would be my phone of choice if Nokia just sold it |
| 19:38.07 | jesuschrist | tbh i pretty much got used to the n9 virtual keyboard |
| 19:38.27 | jonne|reconnecte | i type a lot slower on the virtual keyboard |
| 19:38.28 | Chaz6 | The n950 has the best keyboard of any phone ive tried |
| 19:38.32 | Chaz6 | the n9000's keys are a bit small for me |
| 19:38.35 | jonne|reconnecte | but maybe i need to get used to it |
| 19:38.46 | Chaz6 | -0 |
| 19:38.54 | jesuschrist | i think so, anyway a real keyboard is unbeatable, wont deny it |
| 19:39.03 | jesuschrist | but the n9 vkb is pretty good |
| 19:39.13 | jonne|reconnecte | still, best-looking phone you can get right now |
| 19:39.32 | jesuschrist | nice UI too |
| 19:39.44 | jesuschrist | how much you paied it ? |
| 19:39.53 | jonne|reconnecte | and i'm hoping the community adds the same cool stuff they added to the n900 |
| 19:40.03 | jonne|reconnecte | €580 or so |
| 19:40.08 | jesuschrist | 64 gb ? |
| 19:40.11 | jonne|reconnecte | yes |
| 19:40.32 | jonne|reconnecte | wished i could get the white one, but they're not selling it here |
| 19:40.57 | jonne|reconnecte | the thing that sucks most is the lack of skype video chat |
| 19:41.04 | jonne|reconnecte | i hope this gets added |
| 19:41.08 | jesuschrist | i paied mine 470 euro, 16 gb, bought it in november |
| 19:41.21 | jonne|reconnecte | now i use my n900 just for skype |
| 19:41.31 | Chaz6 | On a random note, i tried to update my N8 to Belle.. it would not do it without a sim card in |
| 19:41.33 | jesuschrist | skype video chat wont be added, but google talkl video wil |
| 19:41.51 | jonne|reconnecte | goddamnit |
| 19:42.10 | Chaz6 | Of course i had to clip my sim to use it in the n9 |
| 19:42.18 | jonne|reconnecte | i guess google talk video is good enough too, although i don't know anyone that uses it |
| 19:42.24 | Chaz6 | I emailed nokia CS and they said to put a sim card in, completely ignoring what i told them |
| 19:42.38 | jesuschrist | lol chaz, i still can use my microsim on my old phone |
| 19:42.38 | Chaz6 | micro sim wont work in the n8 |
| 19:42.43 | Chaz6 | Oh yeah? |
| 19:42.48 | jesuschrist | yeah |
| 19:43.05 | Chaz6 | I dont see why it needs a sim card in just to update it anyway |
| 19:43.13 | jesuschrist | jonne|reconnecte : skype video chat on 3g doesnt suck ? |
| 19:43.13 | jonne|reconnecte | true |
| 19:43.37 | jonne|reconnecte | skype video chat sucks on the n900 anyway |
| 19:43.47 | jonne|reconnecte | my contacts just see blurry pixels |
| 19:43.49 | jesuschrist | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.59 | jonne|reconnecte | but i've done it on 3G |
| 19:44.00 | jesuschrist | i could only wonder about videos |
| 19:44.06 | jonne|reconnecte | main bottleneck is CPU |
| 19:44.19 | jesuschrist | you sure about it ? |
| 19:44.22 | jonne|reconnecte | especially when apt kicks in while you're on a call |
| 19:44.40 | jonne|reconnecte | don't really notice a quality difference between 3G or wifi |
| 19:44.41 | jesuschrist | i think bottleneck is the 3g network |
| 19:44.49 | jonne|reconnecte | except when you're moving |
| 19:44.54 | jesuschrist | on wifi my sip calls work pretty good |
| 19:45.04 | jesuschrist | not on 3g |
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| 19:45.25 | jonne|reconnecte | the n900 was just too slow for some stuff |
| 19:45.32 | ToAruShiroiNeko | I am curious |
| 19:45.46 | jonne|reconnecte | i missed many calls because it was still swapping out before deciding to show the button to pick up |
| 19:45.48 | ToAruShiroiNeko | does anyone know a way to disable or extend the time limit that phone locks itself |
| 19:46.02 | jonne|reconnecte | it's in the settings somewhere |
| 19:46.04 | ToAruShiroiNeko | I also want to listen to what the phone recieves on the microphone |
| 19:46.18 | ToAruShiroiNeko | jonne|reconnecte the highest setting is 3 mins which isnt enough\ |
| 19:47.02 | jonne|reconnecte | maybe you can set it longer by manually altering the conf file or gconf key, or wherever it's stored? |
| 19:47.23 | ToAruShiroiNeko | I dont know where that is |
| 19:47.28 | jonne|reconnecte | me neither :p |
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| 19:51.22 | jonne|reconnecte | goddamn skype, Y U NO allow my browser to remember my password on your site? |
| 19:53.31 | jonne|reconnecte | btw, are there any apps that show how much calling credit there is left on your SIM (for whatever operator)? |
| 19:54.10 | jonne|reconnecte | i'm thinking of writing one for mine, and i'm wondering where you'd display that info, as there's no obvious space for widgets |
| 19:54.35 | jesuschrist | not that i know |
| 19:54.42 | jesuschrist | you could use a button |
| 19:54.47 | jesuschrist | on the launcher |
| 19:54.53 | jesuschrist | instead of a widget |
| 19:55.36 | jonne|reconnecte | on the n900 i have a widget that shows it |
| 19:55.54 | jonne|reconnecte | i'm thinking of putting it in the feed, like the calender app |
| 19:58.15 | jesuschrist | you can |
| 19:58.20 | jesuschrist | use the button |
| 19:58.21 | jesuschrist | i mean |
| 19:58.32 | jesuschrist | the button could show how many minutes you got left |
| 19:58.59 | jesuschrist | something like that app that makes you see instead of the calendar app the actual date |
| 19:59.04 | jesuschrist | a mini widget |
| 19:59.42 | jesuschrist | theres a GPRS data usage that does that |
| 19:59.53 | jesuschrist | it shows how much you used in the button that launch the app |
| 20:00.25 | jonne|reconnecte | maybe an icon that turns red when you're running out of minutes |
| 20:00.32 | jonne|reconnecte | or something |
| 20:00.44 | jonne|reconnecte | that would be nice and unobtrusive |
| 20:00.56 | jesuschrist | yeah |
| 20:02.00 | jonne|reconnecte | if you have less than €5 (configurable) or your data is going to run out in x days, show red icon |
| 20:02.32 | jonne|reconnecte | and possibly add a button that sends an sms to recharge in the app itself |
| 20:03.25 | jesuschrist | would be nice |
| 20:03.31 | jesuschrist | for people not on a plan |
| 20:03.33 | ToAruShiroiNeko | what I want to do is listen to the outside world while wearing headphones |
| 20:03.58 | ToAruShiroiNeko | I want to hear the real world, I just dont want the entire world to listent to my music |
| 20:04.29 | jesuschrist | jonne|reconnecte : then what about that your app turns the call icon red instead |
| 20:04.38 | jesuschrist | of an indipendent app |
| 20:04.53 | jesuschrist | ahem indipendent icon |
| 20:05.45 | jonne|reconnecte | i don't have any experience yet with harmattan development, but i doubt apps would be allowed to just go around and change system icons |
| 20:06.16 | jonne|reconnecte | plus you need an icon anyway to launch settings and stuff |
| 20:06.58 | jesuschrist | well |
| 20:07.01 | jesuschrist | maybe |
| 20:08.19 | jesuschrist | going away a bit |
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| 20:43.12 | itsnotabigtruck | argh, this app > http://n9-apps.com/velocimeter < is cool, but not $1 cool |
| 20:43.35 | itsnotabigtruck | actually it looks $1 cool maybe but there's other free apps and nokia makes it a pain in the ass to pay for apps |
| 20:44.51 | jonne|reconnecte | never got the point of these velocimeter apps |
| 20:45.11 | jonne|reconnecte | don't you already have a speedometer in your car? |
| 20:46.40 | itsnotabigtruck | good point :p |
| 20:47.08 | itsnotabigtruck | it would be nice if that n9 apps site made a clear distinction between free and non-free |
| 20:54.18 | ToAruShiroiNeko | itsnotabigtruck in my opinion speed and acceleration meters are inacurate |
| 20:54.29 | ToAruShiroiNeko | I was walking and it thought I was traveling at 10km/h |
| 20:54.40 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 20:54.43 | ToAruShiroiNeko | to be fair I was around the european comission building |
| 20:54.58 | ToAruShiroiNeko | that structure bends reality |
| 20:55.03 | itsnotabigtruck | haha |
| 20:55.12 | ToAruShiroiNeko | or maybe its the amount of metal disrupting gps signals |
| 20:55.19 | itsnotabigtruck | so you're a g-man eh |
| 20:55.25 | itsnotabigtruck | actually since it's the eu i guess that makes you an e-man |
| 20:55.38 | ToAruShiroiNeko | http://fr.academic.ru/pictures/frwiki/87/World_AIDS_Day,_European_Commission_building,_Brussels.jpg |
| 20:55.46 | Chaz6 | Speaking of gps, is it possible to sync the n9's clock to gps? |
| 20:55.48 | Chaz6 | I don't trust the cell towers |
| 20:55.54 | ToAruShiroiNeko | Chaz6 no it isnt |
| 20:56.07 | ToAruShiroiNeko | the gps and earth based clocks do not tick the same |
| 20:56.11 | ToAruShiroiNeko | gps clocks are slower |
| 20:56.18 | ToAruShiroiNeko | per relativity |
| 20:56.38 | itsnotabigtruck | ToAruShiroiNeko: erm what? it's definitely possible to compute wall clock time from gps |
| 20:56.43 | itsnotabigtruck | might have to add in leap seconds |
| 20:56.47 | ToAruShiroiNeko | yes |
| 20:57.02 | ToAruShiroiNeko | you would need to calculate relativistically though |
| 20:57.08 | itsnotabigtruck | lots of gps devices display the gps time |
| 20:57.15 | ToAruShiroiNeko | as the added leap secconds differ |
| 20:57.25 | itsnotabigtruck | also if you want to have a time server |
| 20:57.28 | ToAruShiroiNeko | itsnotabigtruck he also didnt specify his speed |
| 20:57.30 | itsnotabigtruck | you sync the clock using a gps |
| 20:57.40 | ToAruShiroiNeko | what if he is traveling at .5c |
| 20:57.47 | ToAruShiroiNeko | :p |
| 20:57.53 | itsnotabigtruck | and ToAruShiroiNeko: you just add the leap seconds per the formual |
| 20:57.56 | itsnotabigtruck | it's not that complicated |
| 20:58.00 | ToAruShiroiNeko | no it isnt |
| 20:58.09 | ToAruShiroiNeko | but it would be simpler to use them internets |
| 20:58.10 | itsnotabigtruck | it's 100% possible to do what chaz wants, it just isn't in there |
| 20:58.26 | ToAruShiroiNeko | itsnotabigtruck right right |
| 20:58.41 | ToAruShiroiNeko | but its very complicated |
| 20:58.42 | itsnotabigtruck | the other thing is that locking the gps takes a lot of time and battery juice |
| 20:58.46 | itsnotabigtruck | and you'd have to do it every so often |
| 20:59.01 | ToAruShiroiNeko | it takes battery juice because it is computaitonally intense |
| 20:59.03 | Chaz6 | I ask because i'd like to record a video with an accurate timecode in it |
| 20:59.12 | Chaz6 | So I can sync it to something else |
| 20:59.16 | ToAruShiroiNeko | Chaz6 how acurate do you want ot? |
| 20:59.18 | ToAruShiroiNeko | *it |
| 20:59.27 | ToAruShiroiNeko | why not sync internet based? |
| 20:59.54 | ToAruShiroiNeko | itsnotabigtruck btw do you know of an app that plays what icrophone picks real time? |
| 21:00.08 | itsnotabigtruck | and ToAruShiroiNeko: erm, no, it takes battery life because it requires turning on a radio receiver |
| 21:00.14 | itsnotabigtruck | and also doing a bunch of computing but that's on the chip |
| 21:00.31 | itsnotabigtruck | from the perspective of the main cpu, it just sees gps info streaming in |
| 21:00.40 | itsnotabigtruck | there's a standard data format for it |
| 21:01.07 | ToAruShiroiNeko | itsnotabigtruck hmm |
| 21:01.25 | ToAruShiroiNeko | but gps software has to take into account relativistic differences |
| 21:01.58 | ToAruShiroiNeko | I guess that involves and integral or two |
| 21:02.16 | ToAruShiroiNeko | by the time you compute it your time would be off a few miliseconds |
| 21:02.21 | itsnotabigtruck | and those relativistic differences are a constant factor |
| 21:02.47 | ToAruShiroiNeko | so it wouldnt be more acurate than an internet based system |
| 21:02.54 | ToAruShiroiNeko | relativity is relative in nature :p |
| 21:03.11 | itsnotabigtruck | right, relative between you and the satellite |
| 21:03.14 | itsnotabigtruck | which isn't changing that much |
| 21:03.30 | ToAruShiroiNeko | -_- |
| 21:03.55 | ToAruShiroiNeko | I suppose you dont know an app similar to what I described :( |
| 21:04.37 | ToAruShiroiNeko | I really like netviewer |
| 21:04.45 | ToAruShiroiNeko | I can remote desktop to my phone! |
| 21:05.19 | Chaz6 | The other app i'd like for n9 is a camera that can be controlled from a web browser |
| 21:05.30 | Chaz6 | html5+canvas for example |
| 21:05.41 | ToAruShiroiNeko | Chaz6 it exists |
| 21:05.43 | Chaz6 | I find the remote desktop a bit slow |
| 21:05.48 | ToAruShiroiNeko | its 1 or 2 euros tho |
| 21:06.04 | Chaz6 | oh nice |
| 21:06.08 | ToAruShiroiNeko | use your n9 like a bluetooth camera is the claim |
| 21:06.11 | ToAruShiroiNeko | I never used it tho |
| 21:06.26 | Chaz6 | I dont want it to be a bluetooth camera, i just want to control it from my browser |
| 21:12.03 | ToAruShiroiNeko | hmm |
| 21:12.16 | ToAruShiroiNeko | itsnotabigtruck I found a solution for the problem I mentioned yesterday |
| 21:12.28 | ToAruShiroiNeko | backlighter does what I want |
| 21:16.56 | ToAruShiroiNeko | itsnotabigtruck how doffocult would it be to code an app that would echo? |
| 21:19.33 | jesuschrist | gn8 |
| 21:20.00 | ToAruShiroiNeko | gn8? |
| 21:20.05 | ToAruShiroiNeko | gn9! :p |
| 21:22.29 | jonne|reconnecte | gneight? |
| 21:22.42 | jonne|reconnecte | GNU/eight ? |
| 21:25.06 | ToAruShiroiNeko | GN ate? |
| 21:25.15 | ToAruShiroiNeko | oh! |
| 21:25.19 | ToAruShiroiNeko | G Nate! |
| 21:26.02 | jonne|reconnecte | is that a rapper? |
| 21:27.37 | ToAruShiroiNeko | perhaps |
| 21:27.46 | ToAruShiroiNeko | btw do you know an n9 app that can echo what microphone picks? |
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| 21:37.51 | xTs | gn8 is a german abbreviation for "gute nacht" = Good night. "8" is spelled "acht". |
| 21:38.42 | ToAruShiroiNeko | gn8 sounds like a nokia competetor :p |
| 21:46.49 | xTs | yeah. a cheap chinese copy ;P |
| 21:52.42 | itsnotabigtruck | ToAruShiroiNeko: which problem? |
| 21:52.52 | itsnotabigtruck | and regarding the echo, no clue |
| 21:53.09 | itsnotabigtruck | i've never done anything audio-related on linux before |
| 21:56.47 | jonne|reconnecte | curious about what you can do with pulseaudio too |
| 21:56.59 | jonne|reconnecte | wonder if network transparency works |
| 21:57.24 | jonne|reconnecte | but i guess that would be pretty useless without avahi |
| 21:58.50 | itsnotabigtruck | dammit, toneboard is another one of those apps that would be cool if they didn't cost money |
| 21:59.35 | jonne|reconnecte | just buy the damn things :p |
| 21:59.42 | jonne|reconnecte | what's €1? |
| 22:00.06 | itsnotabigtruck | true, but part of the problem is that nokia let at&t tell it to block credit card payments |
| 22:00.35 | itsnotabigtruck | and my phone's on a group plan and i probably shouldn't charge up the bill with app purchases |
| 22:01.11 | itsnotabigtruck | so buying an app means powering it off, peeling off the sleeve, removing the sim, booting back up, paying up, then repeating the process to put the sim back in |
| 22:01.13 | jonne|reconnecte | never actually bought an app, so i don't know how it works |
| 22:01.24 | jonne|reconnecte | last time i paid for software i bought minecraft |
| 22:01.29 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 22:01.35 | jonne|reconnecte | and that was a first in years |
| 22:01.46 | itsnotabigtruck | so it's not so much the price, as much as nokia is making it hard for me to give them money |
| 22:02.01 | jonne|reconnecte | or making it hard to even buy this phone |
| 22:02.02 | itsnotabigtruck | and if they don't want my money, then i won't give it to them :p |
| 22:02.38 | itsnotabigtruck | also there's sales tax on apps, so that sucks too |
| 22:03.29 | jonne|reconnecte | pirate it and send the developer a buck in the mail? |
| 22:03.35 | itsnotabigtruck | i should authorize my home address as a 2nd billing address so i don't have to pay sales tax |
| 22:03.39 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 22:04.13 | itsnotabigtruck | i wonder how much profit people are really making on N9 apps |
| 22:04.15 | jonne|reconnecte | it's ridiculous how piracy is usually the better option, even if you're willing to pay |
| 22:04.24 | itsnotabigtruck | things like angry birds likely are making significant dough |
| 22:04.26 | jonne|reconnecte | i doubt they're making fortunes |
| 22:04.30 | itsnotabigtruck | i've bought exactly one app, which was angry birds |
| 22:04.36 | itsnotabigtruck | i bet lots of others have done the same |
| 22:04.44 | jonne|reconnecte | but stuff is in the ovi store, so it must be worthwhile |
| 22:04.46 | itsnotabigtruck | but the smaller apps |
| 22:05.02 | itsnotabigtruck | you don't get any payout at all until you hit $100, and the payout is by wire transfer |
| 22:05.07 | itsnotabigtruck | wire transfers come with serious fees |
| 22:05.13 | jonne|reconnecte | not here |
| 22:05.18 | itsnotabigtruck | it's uneconomical until you get to a lot of money |
| 22:05.34 | jonne|reconnecte | wire transfers are free, AFAIK |
| 22:06.34 | itsnotabigtruck | are you sure about that? there's a lot of different kinds of transfers |
| 22:07.04 | itsnotabigtruck | just looked up my bank's fee chart, it's $15 for 'foreign incoming' |
| 22:08.07 | itsnotabigtruck | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wire_transfer#Regulation_and_price |
| 22:08.18 | itsnotabigtruck | ah, apparently the EU regulates intra-EU wire fees to be very low |
| 22:08.25 | ToAruShiroiNeko | itsnotabigtruck about how the phone locks itself |
| 22:08.28 | ToAruShiroiNeko | in 3 mins |
| 22:08.57 | itsnotabigtruck | ToAruShiroiNeko: oh ok |
| 22:08.58 | ToAruShiroiNeko | intra EU fees are low |
| 22:08.59 | itsnotabigtruck | how'd you do it? |
| 22:09.00 | ToAruShiroiNeko | as in 0 |
| 22:09.04 | ToAruShiroiNeko | its an app |
| 22:09.30 | ToAruShiroiNeko | backlighter |
| 22:09.39 | itsnotabigtruck | in the US the most common kind of electronic funds transfer is an ach transfer, but those are only to and from mid-large businesses |
| 22:09.54 | ToAruShiroiNeko | US is a wierd creature |
| 22:09.55 | itsnotabigtruck | you can't go and make an ach yourself to some arbitrary bank account number |
| 22:10.06 | ToAruShiroiNeko | itsnotabigtruck you can if you are rich enough |
| 22:10.11 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 22:10.11 | ToAruShiroiNeko | like Mitt Romney |
| 22:10.20 | itsnotabigtruck | so it's only really used for direct deposits, and direct debit of bills |
| 22:10.25 | ToAruShiroiNeko | I bet he wires all his own cash to himself >:D |
| 22:10.35 | itsnotabigtruck | ("direct deposit" as in for paychecks) |
| 22:10.40 | ToAruShiroiNeko | US uses paypal and credit cards |
| 22:10.54 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, paypal is teh evil |
| 22:11.10 | ToAruShiroiNeko | paypal is like letting a homless person handle your money |
| 22:11.17 | ToAruShiroiNeko | he means well but you know he is also hungry\ |
| 22:11.28 | itsnotabigtruck | and likely crazy |
| 22:12.02 | ToAruShiroiNeko | well |
| 22:12.12 | ToAruShiroiNeko | you are the crazy one for using paypal |
| 22:12.15 | itsnotabigtruck | hehe |
| 22:12.21 | ToAruShiroiNeko | ok so |
| 22:12.25 | itsnotabigtruck | i should see if i can hack PR1.2beta onto my N9 |
| 22:12.33 | ToAruShiroiNeko | I am unsure how to search for the app I am looking for |
| 22:12.37 | jonne|reconnecte | US still uses checks, ffs |
| 22:12.38 | itsnotabigtruck | i've got a fairly specific idea of how to do it, the question is execution |
| 22:12.43 | ToAruShiroiNeko | cheque |
| 22:12.45 | ToAruShiroiNeko | spell it right |
| 22:12.48 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 22:12.49 | jonne|reconnecte | i haven't ever needed to write one |
| 22:12.55 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, if you want to send money person to person, it comes down to checks or paypal |
| 22:12.56 | jonne|reconnecte | or spell it correctly |
| 22:13.04 | itsnotabigtruck | or postal money orders, but those have fees |
| 22:13.12 | ToAruShiroiNeko | or mailing cash |
| 22:13.13 | itsnotabigtruck | there's also things like western union but they make paypal look like saints |
| 22:13.20 | ToAruShiroiNeko | I havent emailed cash so far tho |
| 22:13.32 | ToAruShiroiNeko | you should be able to scan the money with an app and send it |
| 22:13.35 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 22:14.00 | itsnotabigtruck | then what happens to your bills |
| 22:14.04 | itsnotabigtruck | they magically go up in flames? :D |
| 22:15.09 | jonne|reconnecte | there's no reason the government should have a monopoly on printing money |
| 22:15.14 | jonne|reconnecte | oh wait, there is |
| 22:16.34 | itsnotabigtruck | well, it would make sense to allow people to print their own money, if they can convince anyone else to use it |
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| 22:16.52 | itsnotabigtruck | not like counterfeit money, but like custom currency |
| 22:17.07 | itsnotabigtruck | but a) the government doesn't really like that, and b) currency fragmentation is a bad thing |
| 22:18.36 | jonne|reconnecte | if you start your own currency, i'm not sure what laws would stop someone else from printing more of your money |
| 22:18.51 | itsnotabigtruck | that's kind of a problem too, heh |
| 22:19.00 | jonne|reconnecte | you could copyright the image on your money or whatever, but seems tricky |
| 22:19.15 | itsnotabigtruck | and then you could only sue the counterfeiters |
| 22:19.36 | itsnotabigtruck | actually hmm, i wonder if they would be considered civil or criminal infringement |
| 22:19.57 | itsnotabigtruck | normally it's criminal if you infringe for profit, otherwise civil |
| 22:20.24 | jonne|reconnecte | the closest you could get to making your own currency is some sort of central database of IOU's |
| 22:20.30 | itsnotabigtruck | counterfeiting on the surface of it would be for profit, but i'm not sure precisely how the line is drawn for that |
| 22:20.56 | jonne|reconnecte | like, you run a server, people register their IOU's on them, and people can exchange those for services |
| 22:21.11 | jonne|reconnecte | no need to print money |
| 22:21.30 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 22:21.31 | jonne|reconnecte | althoug i guess you could just write IOU's for your friends |
| 22:21.41 | jonne|reconnecte | nm, stupid idea |
| 22:21.50 | itsnotabigtruck | it would be cool if it were possible to get something like bitcoin going for real |
| 22:21.56 | itsnotabigtruck | bitcoin is...problematic, at the very least |
| 22:22.03 | itsnotabigtruck | no matter how the anarchist-types would like to think otherwise |
| 22:22.10 | itsnotabigtruck | but the general idea is a very interesting one |
| 22:22.48 | ToAruShiroiNeko | itsnotabigtruck money should have 2d barcode on them |
| 22:22.50 | ToAruShiroiNeko | :/ |
| 22:23.05 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 22:23.24 | itsnotabigtruck | the nice thing about cash, however, is that assuming it's hard enough to counterfeit, it's good as cash |
| 22:23.48 | jonne|reconnecte | yeah, would not like to have a 3rd party involved in all transactions |
| 22:23.53 | itsnotabigtruck | it's always valid, not trackable, and so on |
| 22:24.07 | jonne|reconnecte | i like handing someone cash without some corporation knowing about it |
| 22:24.24 | jonne|reconnecte | i even like it more to receive cash |
| 22:24.27 | itsnotabigtruck | the rapid movement toward a future where electronic transactions are the only transactions, reminds me of some dystopian sci-fi where everybody pays for everything using electronic chit-cards |
| 22:24.43 | itsnotabigtruck | really, debit cards today are the same thing, just less cool looking |
| 22:24.45 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
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| 22:25.38 | jonne|reconnecte | well, soon we'll be able to pay with NFC |
| 22:26.14 | jonne|reconnecte | the N9 is slightly more cool-looking than a debit card :p |
| 22:26.14 | itsnotabigtruck | which i find to be an absolutely idiotic idea |
| 22:26.14 | itsnotabigtruck | the idea is to lower people's inhibitions to impulse buying |
| 22:26.14 | itsnotabigtruck | by making it easier to pay without thinking |
| 22:26.19 | jonne|reconnecte | also, as soon as your battery dies, you're broke |
| 22:26.23 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 22:26.32 | itsnotabigtruck | not to worry, the N9 has no nfc payment support |
| 22:26.43 | itsnotabigtruck | actually i wouldn't be surprised if it could be hacked to emulate an authorized nfc payment device |
| 22:26.47 | jonne|reconnecte | that's a seperate tech? |
| 22:26.59 | itsnotabigtruck | it requires a "secure element" (basically a smart card) embedded inside |
| 22:27.14 | jonne|reconnecte | so what stops one from emulating one in software? |
| 22:27.31 | itsnotabigtruck | it probably requires some shared secret embedded in the card |
| 22:27.47 | itsnotabigtruck | i haven't used any of the existing nfc payment schemes so i don't know how they're provisioned |
| 22:28.15 | itsnotabigtruck | i think the banks have lately been pushing rfid stickers to slap on the back of your phone |
| 22:28.39 | jonne|reconnecte | distributing a shared secret in millions of devices by 1às of different manufacturers? yeah, sure, can't imagine that staying secret for long |
| 22:28.48 | itsnotabigtruck | due to embedded phone nfc generally taking off like a tonne of bricks, in no small part thanks to the carriers |
| 22:29.10 | itsnotabigtruck | though an nfc sticker could be problematic if your phone has nfc too |
| 22:29.32 | itsnotabigtruck | also that sort of approach has worked ok for various sorts of DRM schemes |
| 22:29.42 | jonne|reconnecte | don't see what's wrong with a debit card, though |
| 22:29.51 | jonne|reconnecte | seems safer, relatively |
| 22:30.05 | itsnotabigtruck | i've been meaning to get my debit card swapped out for one sans rfid |
| 22:30.10 | itsnotabigtruck | if my bank's willing to do it, anyway |
| 22:30.39 | itsnotabigtruck | it seems like the trend has been away from embedding rfids in the actual cards...it doesn't seem like many credit/debit cards come with them anymore |
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| 22:53.46 | ToAruShiroiNeko | hmm |
| 22:53.56 | ToAruShiroiNeko | failed underwear bomber jailed |
| 22:54.08 | ToAruShiroiNeko | after shoebomber this means we will need to take off our underwear now |
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| 23:09.20 | DocScrutinizer | WUT? 60 users? |
| 23:09.32 | DocScrutinizer | WOW |
| 23:09.53 | DocScrutinizer | wonders when he last looked here |
| 23:14.30 | ToAruShiroiNeko | not often enough |
| 23:14.35 | ToAruShiroiNeko | I am here :p |
| 23:20.25 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: is that abnormally low or abnormally high |
| 23:22.49 | DocScrutinizer | last time I looked here it's been like 38 |
| 23:23.11 | DocScrutinizer | obviously too busy lately |
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