| 02:18.13 | *** join/#n9 strannik1 (~Strannik@81.5.157.62) |
| 02:18.15 | strannik1 | Hey |
| 02:19.13 | psycho_oreos | hello |
| 02:19.25 | strannik1 | Whats up |
| 02:19.36 | psycho_oreos | lurking, you? |
| 02:19.37 | strannik1 | I still dont have an n9 :( |
| 02:19.41 | strannik1 | Haha same |
| 02:19.42 | psycho_oreos | neither do I |
| 02:19.49 | strannik1 | Ahh good stuff :) |
| 02:19.55 | psycho_oreos | fixing up my pebkac error with N900 |
| 02:20.20 | strannik1 | Sounds awesome .. Whatever a pebkac is |
| 02:20.28 | strannik1 | I am a still a symbian user |
| 02:20.34 | strannik1 | E71 and e72 |
| 02:20.46 | psycho_oreos | problem exists between keyboard and chair.. in other words problem with user or basically problem is me :) |
| 02:21.02 | psycho_oreos | ew |
| 02:21.13 | psycho_oreos | I only have one symbian device, N95-1 |
| 02:21.55 | strannik1 | Ew? Symbian is the best os ever (for phones with keys) :) |
| 02:22.11 | strannik1 | And small screens without touch input |
| 02:22.14 | psycho_oreos | I beg to differ |
| 02:22.28 | strannik1 | Still disagree? |
| 02:23.05 | psycho_oreos | I have not had one good moment with my N95-1. The only program that kept me sane with N95-1 on the same terms is pynetmony. Every other program is just pathetic and lame |
| 02:23.22 | strannik1 | I obviously forgot the n900 has a keypad .. But i meant non touchscreen phones with buttons in general |
| 02:23.49 | strannik1 | Well the issue with the n95 was it was big heavy , slow |
| 02:24.05 | psycho_oreos | there are linux powered devices without touch screen and with hardware keyboard |
| 02:24.08 | strannik1 | And it had a lot of bugs when it got released |
| 02:24.40 | psycho_oreos | and it still is crap, n95 that is.. period.. it was supposedly to be a flagship device back in what 2008ish? |
| 02:25.51 | psycho_oreos | N95-1 was my first and forever my last symbian device in my possession |
| 02:26.00 | strannik1 | Well if you have a look at the e71 or e72 it is a lot lighter , faster and does not crash like the n95 |
| 02:26.16 | psycho_oreos | all the stupid security settings with stupid cert was just ludicrous |
| 02:26.22 | strannik1 | Yea |
| 02:26.26 | strannik1 | Now that i hate |
| 02:26.33 | psycho_oreos | not to mention patching camera just to turn off the camera sounds |
| 02:26.38 | psycho_oreos | lame, lame and lame |
| 02:26.45 | strannik1 | Lol true |
| 02:26.59 | psycho_oreos | oh I forgot, C:, D:, Z: were all non-accessible by default (!) |
| 02:27.12 | strannik1 | I guess you 'jailbroke' the n95 than with that c2z hack |
| 02:27.18 | psycho_oreos | talk about some retarded windows variant that has inspirations from multix? |
| 02:27.34 | strannik1 | Multix what? |
| 02:27.35 | psycho_oreos | I can't remember what it was, I used python server |
| 02:27.46 | psycho_oreos | multix = an OS before unix |
| 02:28.02 | psycho_oreos | it was so retarded the symbian setup |
| 02:28.03 | strannik1 | Ah fair enough .. I think the newer symbian devices dont have the hack :( |
| 02:28.37 | psycho_oreos | I couldn't honestly care less about current symbian devices, my dose of symbian was really dismal |
| 02:28.50 | strannik1 | I dunno .. Despite having retarded security in symbian |
| 02:28.51 | psycho_oreos | I have had random reboots, random crashes |
| 02:29.18 | psycho_oreos | its the same set of retarded security that probably inspired nokia to create the same within harmattan, named aegis instead |
| 02:29.32 | strannik1 | Lol that is fixed now .. It doesnt happen on a daily basis .. Maybe on a monthly |
| 02:29.44 | psycho_oreos | woeful |
| 02:29.49 | strannik1 | I hope they kill aegis |
| 02:30.07 | psycho_oreos | they won't, its their plan to mock maemo/meego in their last days |
| 02:30.47 | psycho_oreos | actually I've seen a few E71/E72 around but my god they look fugly.. blackberry inspiration? |
| 02:30.50 | strannik1 | The guy who found out you could use the pseudo su priviliges to bypass aegis in beta1 |
| 02:31.02 | psycho_oreos | apparently that was patched |
| 02:31.26 | strannik1 | Yea i heard.. But did he publish his results in the forum or did he file a bug? |
| 02:31.42 | strannik1 | I would be impressed if nokia was actually reading the forums |
| 02:32.14 | strannik1 | Either way e71 and e72s are alright .. I am using one right now in this chat ;) |
| 02:32.18 | psycho_oreos | I don't know all I heard was that there still are bugs to get around certain system security measures but no N950 dev will tell you freely because of nokia's paranoia to block them out |
| 02:32.48 | psycho_oreos | meh, I'd use N900 to chat if I needed to |
| 02:32.56 | strannik1 | That is good .. It should be kept secret untill things calm down a little |
| 02:33.12 | strannik1 | Yea the n900 is awesome |
| 02:33.25 | psycho_oreos | I've wrote up huge tmo responses with just two thumbs and the built-in qwerty keyboard |
| 02:33.27 | strannik1 | I would get one if it wasnt so bulky |
| 02:33.51 | psycho_oreos | it isn't all that bulky |
| 02:34.20 | strannik1 | To me its the n95 compared to the e72 |
| 02:34.29 | strannik1 | :3 |
| 02:34.35 | psycho_oreos | its just maybe double the thickness of iphone.. with N900 |
| 02:34.40 | psycho_oreos | bah |
| 02:34.46 | strannik1 | N900 to the n9 |
| 02:34.52 | psycho_oreos | that's what you get with keyboards sliding out |
| 02:35.04 | strannik1 | Did you see the original n9 design? |
| 02:35.12 | psycho_oreos | maybe E7 might be slimmer but (yuck) |
| 02:35.16 | psycho_oreos | N950? yes |
| 02:35.21 | strannik1 | Well yea |
| 02:35.29 | strannik1 | But with a metal finish |
| 02:35.42 | psycho_oreos | yeah that is the N950 |
| 02:36.08 | strannik1 | Wait ... I thought they used plastic for the developer version? |
| 02:36.32 | strannik1 | Hold on ,, let me see if i can get a link |
| 02:36.39 | psycho_oreos | not the same ones that were handed out to the selected devs I think. The leaked one found on youtube and what not. It looks exactly the same as the one that were handed out to the developers though |
| 02:37.12 | psycho_oreos | it was more like a silver/aluminum finish, that N950 youtube video |
| 02:37.22 | strannik1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckBtXFSbaQg&feature=youtube_gdata_player |
| 02:37.25 | strannik1 | Yea |
| 02:37.28 | psycho_oreos | the ones handed out to devs were those dark grey coloured |
| 02:37.46 | strannik1 | Yea i meant the leaked youtube clip |
| 02:38.14 | strannik1 | The developer phones look like they are made from plastic? |
| 02:38.31 | psycho_oreos | yeah that's the same as that rumoured chinese one, but notice how they look alike? leaked N950 ad with the N950 developer |
| 02:38.50 | strannik1 | Yea they look exactly the same |
| 02:39.15 | strannik1 | Apart from the metal being replaced with what looks like plastic to me |
| 02:39.42 | strannik1 | I just wish they released the silver version to the public |
| 02:41.25 | psycho_oreos | I wished they release the N950 regardless of what exterior material is used. There's like 3 different variations to N950 and none of them are sold to the public at all |
| 02:42.21 | strannik1 | Hang on. I only know two. The silver one . And the dark grey developer one |
| 02:42.52 | strannik1 | Did you apply for the n950 btw? |
| 02:43.15 | psycho_oreos | yes and I didn't get shortlisted, you? |
| 02:43.49 | strannik1 | Applied yes . But didnt get the device |
| 02:44.11 | psycho_oreos | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFAueZefAxk <--- here's the original *rumoured to be* N950, before that silver one came out |
| 02:44.12 | strannik1 | I applied just before the deadline |
| 02:44.25 | psycho_oreos | did you get accepted? or you didn't get shortlisted? |
| 02:45.01 | strannik1 | No I didnt get accepted |
| 02:45.15 | psycho_oreos | heh makes two of us |
| 02:45.21 | strannik1 | I believe i just got a reply saying thank you for applying bla bla |
| 02:45.56 | strannik1 | It was some kind of automatic thank you email |
| 02:46.21 | psycho_oreos | there was a second round (not part of 350 N950) where they give you a second chance for the last 50 N950. I didn't see that email in time and checked the page.. found that I missed out on the second round :| |
| 02:46.36 | strannik1 | Oh |
| 02:46.51 | strannik1 | Haha yea . I never even realised there was a second roind |
| 02:47.05 | psycho_oreos | I don't think I got that. I remember it was a wiki page that you had to apply. Then you get either an acceptance or not from qgil |
| 02:48.21 | strannik1 | Yea i applied using some page |
| 02:48.28 | strannik1 | And i also wrote an email to them |
| 02:49.01 | strannik1 | To some email address that was in the application process |
| 02:49.15 | strannik1 | Didnt help |
| 02:49.26 | strannik1 | It was a very lengthy one aswell ha |
| 02:49.31 | psycho_oreos | yeah there was a page on the meego website which looks like its a form of wiki but you just enter in the details and your reasons of why you want one |
| 02:49.42 | strannik1 | How i would save the world and make the best apps ever . And what not |
| 02:49.45 | psycho_oreos | that email one I think was a commercial developer program? |
| 02:50.33 | strannik1 | Shit, who knows ... Probably applied in the wrong place damm it haha |
| 02:50.55 | psycho_oreos | I wished I could have said that I would be a product advocate. Some product advocate got his acceptance :/ |
| 02:51.14 | psycho_oreos | afaik the commercial dev was through email and it was something like @nokia.com |
| 02:51.18 | strannik1 | I am surprised so many people here have it |
| 02:52.03 | strannik1 | Hmm i did send some email to a @nokia address i think |
| 02:52.10 | strannik1 | Not going to go through it now |
| 02:52.18 | psycho_oreos | yet there's rumours that in nokia warehouses, there's 1000s of them spare.. in nokia offices they have fair few sitting on the table.. some old rumours that at meego conference qgil was handing them (N950) out like lollies |
| 02:52.36 | strannik1 | What |
| 02:52.39 | strannik1 | Hahhaha |
| 02:52.48 | strannik1 | 'lol'lies ??? |
| 02:52.55 | strannik1 | Is the pun intended? |
| 02:53.00 | psycho_oreos | no |
| 02:53.08 | psycho_oreos | lollies as in candies :P |
| 02:53.09 | strannik1 | On the irc channel someone mentionend |
| 02:53.15 | strannik1 | I should keep talking to people |
| 02:53.24 | strannik1 | And that if i reapply somehow i migt get a chance |
| 02:53.28 | psycho_oreos | so you can get N950? |
| 02:53.35 | psycho_oreos | lol not possible I'm sure of that |
| 02:53.46 | strannik1 | Well, the guy was hinting to me that they still give them out |
| 02:54.07 | psycho_oreos | and what was one supposed to say? that nokia is great? all hail nokia? |
| 02:54.14 | strannik1 | He was saying that by talking to the right people |
| 02:54.27 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 02:54.28 | strannik1 | And showing them what i have done they might give me one |
| 02:54.37 | psycho_oreos | the keyword is might |
| 02:54.59 | strannik1 | Dunno , his smiley face convinced me lol ;) |
| 02:55.13 | psycho_oreos | he could be a troll for all you know :P |
| 02:55.19 | strannik1 | Hahaha yea |
| 02:55.54 | psycho_oreos | and why would nokia hand them out if they're losing billions? it makes no sense.. they could have sold off the remaining N950 and maybe reclaim some of the money spent on making one in the first place |
| 02:55.56 | strannik1 | Cant remember who it was now .. But its one of the regulars |
| 02:56.16 | strannik1 | They want to lose billions |
| 02:56.27 | psycho_oreos | there's public IRC logs, unless you talked to that person in private |
| 02:56.29 | strannik1 | You know where elop worked before microsoft ? |
| 02:56.35 | psycho_oreos | no |
| 02:56.53 | strannik1 | Macromedia as CEO |
| 02:56.57 | psycho_oreos | I don't think Elop would be that stupid, not whilst its board of directors are smoking pot behind their desks |
| 02:57.07 | strannik1 | And you know where he worked before macromedia |
| 02:57.21 | strannik1 | Adobe |
| 02:57.37 | strannik1 | And we all know what happened with macromedia and adobe |
| 02:57.48 | psycho_oreos | I can't imagine him handing out stuff when he was CEO of those other countries (of course except from microsoft where he wasn't a CEO) |
| 02:57.58 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 02:58.18 | psycho_oreos | in either case it just doesn't make any sense really |
| 02:58.39 | strannik1 | When elop became ceo of macromedia the company started losing lots of money |
| 02:58.50 | strannik1 | The share price fell |
| 02:59.00 | strannik1 | And eventually adobe bought them over |
| 02:59.13 | strannik1 | The old company elop worked for |
| 02:59.21 | psycho_oreos | if you think about it logically. Had Flop been that desperate for nokia to sink he would have created the ultimate maemo/meego device.. not killing it and signing up with some stupid agreement with microsoft |
| 02:59.25 | strannik1 | So maybe elop is literally a professional troll haha |
| 02:59.52 | strannik1 | I think he knows meego is fucking awesome |
| 02:59.53 | psycho_oreos | both N950 and N9 are crippled in their own ways |
| 03:00.02 | strannik1 | I bet he secretly loves the n9 haha |
| 03:00.08 | strannik1 | Yea true |
| 03:00.24 | strannik1 | Are they differently crippled from each other? |
| 03:00.27 | psycho_oreos | he knows yet he refuses to care.. no I doubt it, he probably has drawers full of N950 collecting dust and N9 elsewhere |
| 03:00.29 | strannik1 | I thought they were the same? |
| 03:00.35 | psycho_oreos | differently crippled |
| 03:00.58 | strannik1 | You mean softwarewise right? |
| 03:01.04 | psycho_oreos | well some are same like non-interchangeable batteries and no option for microSD card |
| 03:01.21 | psycho_oreos | N9 according to rumours is more crippled than N950 software-wise |
| 03:02.24 | strannik1 | I had a think about the batteries |
| 03:02.44 | strannik1 | I have never actually replaced my batteries in my cellphones |
| 03:02.47 | psycho_oreos | I don't know if the battery sizes are different between the two |
| 03:03.01 | strannik1 | Maybe once on my nokia 3310 .. |
| 03:03.11 | strannik1 | Oh , and a spare batterie for my n95 haha |
| 03:03.25 | psycho_oreos | well if you think about how you had to insert the SIM card because the SIM card is beneath the battery... or when you're trying to force it into firmware update mode |
| 03:04.45 | psycho_oreos | I only have one N95-1 battery, though its not the same as the one that I initially bought. The original one I think died, battery life was far too short. I bought my 3rd N900 and with the 3rd N900 I get a whole bunch of extras like 5 extra batteries (for N900 of course) |
| 03:05.20 | strannik1 | How long does the battery last on it? |
| 03:05.28 | strannik1 | Does it last a day? |
| 03:05.49 | strannik1 | My n95 really struggled to last a whole day |
| 03:06.09 | psycho_oreos | as for N950, I recall some guy on tmo desperately wanted N950 and posted WTB. He said he'll pay any price for N950 but that thread caught lots of attention for people to mock him about N950. In the end he replied he got N950. That sort of stuff makes me wonder if I should try doing the same |
| 03:06.48 | strannik1 | Hahahha :) |
| 03:06.53 | psycho_oreos | I can't remember, it probably didn't last a day as well, but since then I bought a new battery which bumps the phone back to around 3 days usage |
| 03:06.58 | strannik1 | Well if the n950s are collecting dust |
| 03:07.16 | strannik1 | I think they might give you onee |
| 03:07.29 | strannik1 | And if you get one let me know ;) |
| 03:07.32 | psycho_oreos | I don't think they have a heart in the first place ;) |
| 03:07.37 | strannik1 | Hahaha |
| 03:08.04 | strannik1 | Get a n950 tattoo |
| 03:08.09 | strannik1 | Like that zune guy |
| 03:08.11 | psycho_oreos | they just let the N950 collect dust because its one of those scars that they couldn't get over with and wanted to have good memoirs |
| 03:08.23 | psycho_oreos | I'll skip thanks :þ |
| 03:09.08 | strannik1 | I am surprised no one sold them on ebay yet |
| 03:09.38 | strannik1 | Qml sounds pretty cool .. Its a shame they had to put in aegis |
| 03:09.42 | psycho_oreos | and really here we're discussing N950, whenever I see the words N950 are being written it just makes me feel like I have a huge scar. That scar suddenly gets peeled off leaving wound open and person discussing it is like adding alcohol to the open wound |
| 03:09.56 | psycho_oreos | there were scams selling N950 however |
| 03:10.35 | strannik1 | Lol yea scams arent as good as the real thing |
| 03:10.52 | strannik1 | Though elop banning the n950 is a bit of a scam in itself |
| 03:10.53 | psycho_oreos | not only that scammers make you lose money :þ |
| 03:11.14 | psycho_oreos | who knows, I'd say its stupidity to the extreme |
| 03:11.57 | psycho_oreos | there's loads of happy maemo owners that would want to get a device with a proper keyboard. Unlike N9 |
| 03:12.05 | strannik1 | I bet he walks around in his office doing the hail sieg and burning shit to the ground XD |
| 03:12.20 | psycho_oreos | s/shit/N950/ |
| 03:12.47 | strannik1 | Yea they should have released the n9 together with the n950 |
| 03:12.57 | psycho_oreos | probably chanting in some Canadian troll relic theme and also burning the hard copies of N950 schematics, etc, etc, etc |
| 03:12.59 | strannik1 | Like they always do for the n and e series |
| 03:13.13 | strannik1 | Hahaha yea |
| 03:13.32 | strannik1 | Burning the nokia flag .. And slowly putting up the microsoft flags |
| 03:14.33 | psycho_oreos | bows down to the photo of Ballmer smiling every morning. The portrait photo is stuck on the door to his room in nokia headquarters and rather a full sized one as well |
| 03:14.57 | strannik1 | I really hoped that meego and the n9 was the last push from the nokia devs to convince nokia to keep it |
| 03:15.50 | psycho_oreos | only time will tell at this stage |
| 03:16.09 | strannik1 | Yea |
| 03:16.51 | psycho_oreos | have you made a firm decision to buy the N9? |
| 03:16.57 | strannik1 | I always thought for some reason that it was nokia devs vs elop |
| 03:17.00 | strannik1 | Yea |
| 03:17.03 | strannik1 | I have |
| 03:17.11 | strannik1 | But its hard to get in europe |
| 03:17.19 | strannik1 | But my dad is in china at the moment |
| 03:17.32 | strannik1 | If he sees it in the shop he said he would get for me |
| 03:17.52 | strannik1 | Are you getting it? |
| 03:18.02 | psycho_oreos | nokia devs vs Elop eh? sounds like what ballmer does: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE |
| 03:18.05 | psycho_oreos | yup |
| 03:18.24 | strannik1 | I am still watching that accuweather clip ha |
| 03:18.39 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 03:19.27 | strannik1 | Hhaha that clip is mental |
| 03:19.46 | psycho_oreos | I guess I'm somewhat lucky, I'm residing in a country that is not blacklisted |
| 03:19.57 | strannik1 | Australia? |
| 03:20.13 | psycho_oreos | any bets whether or not will Flop do that next? Flop's spin on developers? :D |
| 03:20.14 | psycho_oreos | yup |
| 03:20.53 | strannik1 | I guess elop thinks australia only consists of kangaroos. |
| 03:21.30 | psycho_oreos | nah, more like a land in the middle of nowhere |
| 03:21.44 | psycho_oreos | some far away place, like pluto |
| 03:22.03 | strannik1 | He is selling it to countries where he thinks the phone will fail .. Kazakhstan , borat country. China communists .. Australia kangaroos lol :D |
| 03:22.38 | strannik1 | Yea the places are all well isolated to be honest |
| 03:23.01 | psycho_oreos | he's failing pretty badly considering that he also put out ads and giveaways with N9 just to get the citizens excited |
| 03:24.01 | strannik1 | He is just using it for reasearch for the windows phones |
| 03:24.40 | strannik1 | The aussies love the n9 .. Quick ballmed lets make a windows phone version of the n9 but worse |
| 03:25.02 | psycho_oreos | I don't think aussies love N9 that much to be frank :) |
| 03:25.20 | strannik1 | Do the people know about the phone? |
| 03:25.28 | psycho_oreos | somewhat |
| 03:25.40 | psycho_oreos | I mean nokia did lots of ads for it though |
| 03:25.42 | strannik1 | But no real excitement huh? |
| 03:26.11 | strannik1 | The Nokia brand is becoming embaressing to be honest ha |
| 03:26.16 | psycho_oreos | not that I know of, maybe not until when it comes to me paying my bill (which I have to do soon today) |
| 03:26.27 | psycho_oreos | yeah ever since Flop is in charge |
| 03:26.48 | strannik1 | True |
| 03:27.22 | strannik1 | Actually i think nokia has been in talks with microsoft for a while now |
| 03:27.29 | strannik1 | Maybe since 2009 |
| 03:27.48 | psycho_oreos | http://i.imgur.com/KSMbK.jpg <--- :D |
| 03:28.40 | psycho_oreos | I actually quite like that developers music :D |
| 03:29.03 | psycho_oreos | huzzah! I rickrolled myself :) |
| 03:30.38 | *** join/#n9 Strannik (~Strannik@81.5.157.62) |
| 03:30.50 | Strannik | Wifi dropped |
| 03:31.03 | psycho_oreos | what was the last message you got from me? |
| 03:31.06 | Strannik | Are those n900 yours? |
| 03:31.11 | psycho_oreos | :) |
| 03:31.15 | Strannik | You like the music |
| 03:31.17 | Strannik | Wow |
| 03:31.24 | psycho_oreos | you ever seen my tmo signature? |
| 03:31.40 | Strannik | Nope dont think so |
| 03:31.40 | psycho_oreos | <psycho_oreos> huzzah! I rickrolled myself :) |
| 03:31.50 | Strannik | Hahah :) |
| 03:31.59 | Strannik | Wow |
| 03:32.03 | Strannik | Those are awesome |
| 03:32.17 | Strannik | Why 3? Why not 4? :) |
| 03:32.36 | psycho_oreos | 3 is a lucky number |
| 03:32.38 | psycho_oreos | ;) |
| 03:32.55 | Strannik | I cant stop looking at the pic |
| 03:33.27 | psycho_oreos | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1089889&postcount=1 |
| 03:34.14 | psycho_oreos | plays that music again |
| 03:34.48 | Strannik | Hahaha |
| 03:35.47 | Strannik | Do you use whatsapp by any chance? |
| 03:35.57 | psycho_oreos | nope, never heard of it |
| 03:36.10 | psycho_oreos | err no I lied, I heard of it but never seen it in action |
| 03:36.15 | Strannik | Its a IM app for phones |
| 03:36.37 | Strannik | Basically it adds all your friends automatically for you |
| 03:36.51 | Strannik | So it has become quite popular |
| 03:37.20 | psycho_oreos | sounds a little similar to conversations I suppose under maemo? |
| 03:37.24 | Strannik | Either way the n9 needs it :3 |
| 03:37.35 | Strannik | Yea |
| 03:37.45 | Strannik | But everyone uses whatsapp |
| 03:38.18 | Strannik | It adds all your friends from your phonebook by scanning the phone numbers |
| 03:39.07 | Strannik | I am trying to understand how the protocol works |
| 03:39.20 | Strannik | The software is freaking unsecure though |
| 03:39.36 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 03:40.15 | Strannik | On the 21st of may i told some guy how to read other peoples messages |
| 03:40.38 | Strannik | On the 30th of may it gets published in some blog |
| 03:41.04 | Strannik | And apparently now it has been fixed |
| 03:41.59 | Strannik | The servers didnt even authenticate the users .. The client did that ... Some weird security on there |
| 03:42.57 | Strannik | Either way . Thats me going offtopic |
| 03:44.53 | psycho_oreos | ah well its only two of us that's actively talking anyway :) |
| 03:45.06 | psycho_oreos | we've scared everyone else off |
| 03:46.01 | Strannik | Will you be getting the n9? Or still considering? |
| 03:46.32 | psycho_oreos | was firm on getting an N9 but now I'm back to considering.. still mulling over wanting to source N950 somehow lol |
| 03:47.15 | Strannik | We will need to wait to talk to someone who is close to nokia |
| 03:47.17 | psycho_oreos | s/an/a/ |
| 03:47.36 | psycho_oreos | either that or create that epic WTB N950 thread on tmo |
| 03:47.37 | psycho_oreos | ;) |
| 03:47.46 | Strannik | Hahaha yea |
| 03:48.00 | Strannik | Do you know the site neowin.net ? |
| 03:48.10 | psycho_oreos | nope |
| 03:48.35 | Strannik | Its kinda like engadget .. Gadget/software news site |
| 03:48.49 | Strannik | They gave the n9 an awesome review |
| 03:49.26 | Strannik | I think they got a few n9s for giving such an awesome review haha |
| 03:49.35 | psycho_oreos | yeah I hit the browser as soon as you mentioned the site, I thought I might have heard of it from somewhere |
| 03:49.43 | psycho_oreos | maybe |
| 03:50.11 | Strannik | The review does say thanks nokia nz for the review device |
| 03:50.23 | Strannik | Right at the bottom |
| 03:50.44 | Strannik | I bet they bribed half the staff with n9s n950s haha |
| 03:51.47 | psycho_oreos | probably but I wonder what good is that really, the site seems like its mostly for windows users |
| 03:52.01 | psycho_oreos | and here comes all of the sudden a review on a competitor |
| 03:52.17 | psycho_oreos | or maybe did they mistake that with lumia 800? |
| 03:52.26 | psycho_oreos | ;) |
| 03:53.41 | Strannik | Who knows but the n9 article received quite a lot of comments |
| 03:53.48 | Strannik | Which is unusual for the site |
| 03:54.09 | Strannik | It used to be popular in pre engadget times |
| 03:54.10 | psycho_oreos | it has also stirred up some windows fanboys as well |
| 03:54.20 | Strannik | Maybe when xp first came out |
| 03:54.27 | Strannik | Yea it did haha |
| 03:55.57 | psycho_oreos | shame really but I guess you'll find fanboys anywhere and everywhere.. they just love to make a stupid but epic statement on irrelevant details.. kind of like how journalism works |
| 03:56.42 | *** join/#n9 pcfe (~pcfe@redhat/pcfe) |
| 03:57.03 | Strannik | Do you consider yourseld a nokia fanboy ;) |
| 03:57.05 | Strannik | - |
| 03:57.13 | psycho_oreos | linux fanboy :) |
| 03:57.41 | Strannik | Haha fair enough |
| 03:58.12 | Strannik | I cant believe i still use the e72 |
| 03:58.40 | psycho_oreos | I've said it a few times on tmo threads that I don't care about the brand name and brand model. Its hardware and more direct access to it (running linux of course) is what I care the most |
| 03:59.04 | psycho_oreos | I still have my n95-1 around, serving mainly as an alarm clock and nostalgic holdovers |
| 03:59.08 | Strannik | Its just that i have been waiting for so long for a decent meego phone .. Now its finally out .. But with lots of crippling |
| 03:59.53 | Strannik | Yea the n95 is old .. It really looks like some kind diy hobby device |
| 03:59.54 | psycho_oreos | or you could hold out even longer for those so called Maltemi and Tizen |
| 04:00.07 | Strannik | Haha yea screw that |
| 04:00.17 | Strannik | The n9 looks decent enough |
| 04:00.32 | Strannik | I am sure someone will hack the shit out of aegis |
| 04:00.48 | Strannik | Its a shame that this has to be done in the first place tho |
| 04:01.12 | psycho_oreos | lol mine is pretty much a diy job phone.. my n95-1, the top buttons are peeling off (silver colouring) and at the rear where there's that battery door, I used sticky tape to hold it in |
| 04:01.29 | psycho_oreos | that's nokia for you :) |
| 04:01.47 | Strannik | I used tape to hold the battery in |
| 04:01.56 | Strannik | The back cover wont close anymore |
| 04:02.20 | Strannik | Well and the silver colouring ofcourse aswell |
| 04:03.18 | psycho_oreos | lol, I used sticky tape aloing the sides. Though SpeedEvil mentioned that you can use very thin tweezers or maybe just needle to bend the little copper connectors on the battery itself so that it would hold better against the posts on the phone |
| 04:03.26 | psycho_oreos | s/aloing/along/ |
| 04:04.20 | Strannik | Hmm haha thats interesting i havnt thought of that |
| 04:04.38 | Strannik | My n95 actually died for a month or so |
| 04:04.42 | psycho_oreos | I actually did that with my n95-1 batteries. It seems to do the job pretty well and sort of compliments the sticky tape on the battery door.. maybe I should use duct tape next time instead of just sticky tape :D |
| 04:04.49 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 04:05.04 | psycho_oreos | yours is the NAM version right? |
| 04:05.12 | Strannik | It got a little to humid while i was in india .. But it powered itself on one day randomly . Like it was sleeping and nothing happened |
| 04:05.20 | Strannik | No no european |
| 04:05.24 | Strannik | I am in britain |
| 04:05.35 | psycho_oreos | hmm so you have n95-1? |
| 04:05.47 | Strannik | Yea i think so . The standard n95 |
| 04:06.21 | Strannik | Oh yea the american one has a bigger battery? And no camera cover |
| 04:06.25 | psycho_oreos | there's like 3 variants iinm, wikipedia has the precise info, but the non-NAM versions were the ones that were fitted with feeblishly small amounts of RAM |
| 04:06.28 | psycho_oreos | nah |
| 04:07.15 | Strannik | Yea the memory crash messages were annoying |
| 04:07.31 | psycho_oreos | or that you can't run more programs |
| 04:09.35 | psycho_oreos | ahh yeah it has bigger battery, the NAM version but also doubled the size of RAM. Wikipedia states that N95-3 (NAM variant) is available for Australia and South America but I never got that one. I got the initial one (N95-1 non-NAM version) piece of crap really |
| 04:10.52 | Strannik | I actually managed to fit in a battery from the n95-8gb version into my n95 |
| 04:11.13 | Strannik | Had to take of the plastice cover |
| 04:11.40 | Strannik | After that the phone doesnt turn on because the metal of the battery is exposed |
| 04:11.56 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 04:12.45 | Strannik | But if you cover it up with something it works fine |
| 04:12.54 | psycho_oreos | but for some weird reason N95-1's BME doesn't really care how big (as in capacity predominantly) the size of the battery. MohammadAG noted that you can charge N900 batteries with N95-1 |
| 04:13.56 | Strannik | Yea the n95 was awesome .. You can use it as a brick .. As a charger ... As a weapon.. As an alarm clock |
| 04:14.03 | Strannik | Its multi functional :) |
| 04:14.04 | Strannik | Hha |
| 04:14.50 | psycho_oreos | I thought iphone was more suited for a brick, err ipod :D |
| 04:14.59 | Strannik | I think it even had accelorometer controlls before the iphone |
| 04:15.11 | psycho_oreos | yeah it does |
| 04:15.34 | Strannik | Infact there was a program that would bind the acceloremeter to your dpad |
| 04:15.59 | psycho_oreos | there's this program called shakenroll which takes advantage of the onboard accelerometer to allow one to move through menus and what not instead of using the dpad |
| 04:16.02 | Strannik | So you could play sonic or racing games by tilting the phone |
| 04:16.03 | psycho_oreos | lol that |
| 04:16.13 | Strannik | Yea |
| 04:16.16 | psycho_oreos | initially it was buggy |
| 04:16.56 | Strannik | Yea i remember using every single version .. They kept making it better |
| 04:17.10 | Strannik | Cant remember what it was though |
| 04:17.18 | Strannik | That they improved |
| 04:18.39 | Strannik | Did you know it also had a 3d gpu in the n95 ., they removed it from symbian phones ever since |
| 04:18.58 | psycho_oreos | not really, but wasn't it powervr chipset? |
| 04:19.09 | Strannik | Hmm maybe |
| 04:19.14 | Strannik | I dont know |
| 04:19.35 | psycho_oreos | Fully HW accelerated 3D (OpenGL ES 1.1, HW accelerated Java 3D) <--- from wikipedia |
| 04:19.51 | Strannik | That |
| 04:19.52 | Strannik | Yea |
| 04:20.18 | Strannik | Probably powerver |
| 04:20.45 | psycho_oreos | I'm having doubts if its powervr but then again |
| 04:21.37 | Strannik | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1089889&postcount=1 |
| 04:21.40 | Strannik | No |
| 04:21.43 | Strannik | Not that |
| 04:22.21 | psycho_oreos | lol that was my link |
| 04:23.01 | Strannik | Yea |
| 04:23.11 | Strannik | I still had it in clipboard |
| 04:23.19 | Strannik | That |
| 04:23.38 | Strannik | Apparently it is powerver |
| 04:24.08 | psycho_oreos | ahh |
| 04:24.31 | Strannik | We should try and talk to some nokia dev |
| 04:24.35 | psycho_oreos | I didn't think it was an omap chipset either, I thought it was ARM11 |
| 04:24.58 | psycho_oreos | its easy to find them I suppose, but whether or not will they talk is hard to tell :) |
| 04:25.00 | Strannik | Yea i assumed it was arm |
| 04:25.21 | psycho_oreos | ARM is common as chips in smartphones, but there's many variants |
| 04:25.55 | Strannik | I bet they will . . I just keep thinking that they are the rebels of nokia |
| 04:26.11 | Strannik | Oh |
| 04:26.37 | Strannik | Many arm architectures? |
| 04:26.41 | psycho_oreos | lol still somewhat doubt it, never really seen them actively participating |
| 04:27.32 | psycho_oreos | "ARM processors are developed by ARM and by ARM licensees. Prominent ARM processor families developed by ARM Holdings include the ARM7, ARM9, ARM11 and Cortex. Notable ARM processors developed by licensees include DEC StrongARM, Freescale i.MX, Marvell (formerly Intel) XScale, Nvidia Tegra, ST-Ericsson Nova and NovaThor, Qualcomm Snapdragon, the Texas Instruments OMAP product line, the Samsung Hummingbird and the Apple A4 and A5." - from wikipedia |
| 04:27.44 | Strannik | Lol they got put into the elop concentration camps before they could 'participate! |
| 04:29.03 | psycho_oreos | heh, I bet they had to pray to ballmer for mercy too |
| 04:30.07 | Strannik | Yea i guess elop is just ballmers puppet |
| 04:31.44 | psycho_oreos | s/puppet/slut/ |
| 04:31.45 | psycho_oreos | :D |
| 04:35.58 | Strannik | True haha |
| 04:36.32 | Strannik | How can people not put 1+1 together |
| 04:36.40 | Strannik | Look at macromedia and adobe |
| 04:36.54 | Strannik | And realize whats going to happen with microsoft and nokia |
| 04:37.08 | Strannik | I guess the shareholders will also profit |
| 04:37.23 | Strannik | It seems trendy to buy a phone company |
| 04:37.31 | Strannik | Google and motorola |
| 04:37.47 | psycho_oreos | though apple and samsung on the other hand is unlikely ;) |
| 04:38.02 | Strannik | Yea |
| 04:38.08 | psycho_oreos | funny how apple sues the living hell out of samsung, their own manufacturer |
| 04:38.29 | Strannik | Hp and palm |
| 04:38.40 | Strannik | Haha yea |
| 04:39.20 | Strannik | Samsung should just stop exports of all their ram , memory chips storage etc to the rest of the world |
| 04:39.31 | Strannik | Till courts give em a green light |
| 04:39.44 | psycho_oreos | though HP do manufacture hardware, just not directly by themselves.. like they get some other mob to do it and label it has HP |
| 04:40.22 | psycho_oreos | though samsung wouldn't be at any form of win if they do that, apple will just look elsewhere for manufacturers I suppose |
| 04:41.54 | Strannik | I am pretty sure the whole world relies on samsung flash storage ... Its unbelievable in how many devices you find samsung parts |
| 04:42.17 | Strannik | Courts would be forced to give em a greenlight |
| 04:42.52 | Strannik | Funnily enough i came up with the iphone ui before apple did XD |
| 04:43.25 | Strannik | I drew a concept for a project called ipodlinux |
| 04:43.34 | Strannik | For the old black and white ipods |
| 04:43.50 | psycho_oreos | well I'm skeptical on samsung being the only one that manufactures various flash storage components. They are a big one but there's other bigger ones out there |
| 04:44.17 | Strannik | Basically my ui design looked exactly the same as the square ipod nanos look like today |
| 04:46.04 | Strannik | The only difference between my ui and the nano ui was that my top bar was at the bottom i think |
| 04:46.24 | Strannik | Apart from that it was identical |
| 04:46.29 | psycho_oreos | should have patented it ages ago :) |
| 04:46.45 | Strannik | Yea i only realised lately aswell |
| 04:47.28 | Strannik | Well i based it on the nokia grid view actually |
| 04:48.03 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 04:48.10 | Strannik | I think its crazy how apple should have the rights to the damm grid view lol |
| 04:50.09 | psycho_oreos | that's apple for you :) |
| 04:50.39 | psycho_oreos | they have all these weird patents for god knows why but they act none other than oracle themselves.. aka patent trolls that will sue later on |
| 04:50.54 | psycho_oreos | they're using patents as a form of land mines |
| 04:57.55 | Strannik | Yea |
| 04:58.15 | Strannik | I just found the original forum article |
| 04:58.23 | Strannik | Its a mirror |
| 04:58.33 | Strannik | The original forum doesnt exist anymore |
| 04:58.37 | Strannik | ipl.derpapst.eu/oldforums/viewtopic.php?t=879&highlight= |
| 04:58.38 | psycho_oreos | mirror of? |
| 04:58.41 | Strannik | Oh |
| 04:58.56 | Strannik | Of the ipodlinux project . I started a gui discussion |
| 04:59.06 | psycho_oreos | ahh |
| 04:59.13 | psycho_oreos | lots of broken images though |
| 04:59.29 | Strannik | Unfortunatly the link is broken to my ipod gui pic :( |
| 04:59.32 | Strannik | Yea |
| 04:59.54 | Strannik | I am the guy who with the matrix pic |
| 05:01.49 | psycho_oreos | ahh |
| 05:02.03 | Strannik | I dunno .. I just have a gut feeling that the true origin of the iphone was infact the ipodlinux project |
| 05:02.29 | Strannik | Something about steve job being a pirate lol XD arghh |
| 05:02.51 | psycho_oreos | in the end though the iOS shares code with various BSD Ibet |
| 05:02.54 | psycho_oreos | I bet* |
| 05:03.03 | Strannik | Yea |
| 05:03.26 | Strannik | They said ios shares code with osx .. Which is bsd |
| 05:03.39 | Strannik | Which also shares loads of code with linux |
| 05:04.01 | psycho_oreos | well yeah somewhat |
| 05:04.42 | psycho_oreos | though I don't know how they manage to get through all that easily especially a large proportion of the linux codes are licensed as GPL which are incompatible with BSD |
| 05:04.47 | psycho_oreos | lots of `magic' I bet |
| 05:04.56 | Strannik | I dont mean they ripped the code off .. But maybe they realised users wanted linux/bsd on their ipods as some sort of pda .. Add a phone and bamm you have an iphone |
| 05:05.42 | psycho_oreos | I sort of doubt it, I bet they just wanted to compete in the smartphone market |
| 05:05.46 | Strannik | Hmm yea i never understood how the gpl and bsd licenses work |
| 05:06.42 | Strannik | Well yea thats the logical thing |
| 05:06.46 | psycho_oreos | afterall a music player isn't all that fancy when most other smartphones have large internal memory capacities and/or allows users to insert SD card to exapand internal storage for all the media goods |
| 05:07.24 | Strannik | Well you see at the time |
| 05:07.39 | Strannik | Smartphones were phones with some media compatability |
| 05:07.49 | Strannik | In reality the iphone isnt even a phone |
| 05:07.55 | Strannik | It is a media platform |
| 05:08.04 | Strannik | With some phone compatabilities ;) |
| 05:08.56 | psycho_oreos | then again a smartphone isn't just a phone itself, its a phone with all these extra features that normally one would have to carry as extras on them. such as a PDA, a watch, a recorder, etc, etc, etc |
| 05:09.28 | Strannik | And thats why my gut feeling is pointing at ipodlinux .. Because people in the community started using it as a media device (even though the screen was tiny) |
| 05:09.56 | psycho_oreos | smartphones these days covers almost everything handheld in terms of technological goods.. they've basically gone and cannibalised whatever is in their path |
| 05:10.10 | Strannik | All i am saying is that before the iphone the main feature of a phone was a phone |
| 05:10.15 | psycho_oreos | *shrugs* probably |
| 05:10.55 | psycho_oreos | who knows what drove apple to start competing and now suing the competitors :) |
| 05:10.56 | Strannik | Yea companies are running ideas what to put next into a phone |
| 05:11.20 | Strannik | Yea its just a damm grid view |
| 05:11.35 | Strannik | If anyone should sue someone its nokia lol |
| 05:11.48 | psycho_oreos | well.. they did lol |
| 05:11.56 | psycho_oreos | not the grid view but other stuff |
| 05:12.24 | Strannik | Yea apparently they invented most of the gsm radio protocols |
| 05:12.31 | Strannik | Or something like that |
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| 05:13.32 | Strannik | I should be getting the money really. I combined nokias grid view with apples(who stole it from creative) top bar .. Haha XD |
| 05:14.55 | psycho_oreos | then again, no patent = no win |
| 05:15.04 | Strannik | Apple stole the ipod classic menu ui from creative zune player |
| 05:15.44 | Strannik | Ofcourse , i am just saying it jokingly |
| 05:16.06 | psycho_oreos | err wasn't it creative zen? and microsoft zune? *shrug* |
| 05:16.17 | psycho_oreos | some weird names lol |
| 05:16.21 | Strannik | Lol thats what i mean |
| 05:16.24 | Strannik | Hahaha |
| 05:16.33 | psycho_oreos | bah you got me :þ |
| 05:19.32 | Strannik | Check out the second page |
| 05:19.43 | Strannik | On the ipodlinux forum |
| 05:20.01 | Strannik | Some guy posted his ui concepts .. Theyre quite cool |
| 05:20.05 | Strannik | ipl.derpapst.eu/oldforums/viewtopic.php?t=879&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 |
| 05:27.38 | Strannik | The n9 seems to be the most exciting device since the xbox and ipod for me |
| 05:28.04 | psycho_oreos | you also in #harmattan? |
| 05:28.16 | psycho_oreos | bah, you're not |
| 05:28.22 | Strannik | I was |
| 05:28.50 | Strannik | Now i am |
| 05:28.52 | psycho_oreos | you missed out the bit of sarcasm I wrote in response to someone else's query |
| 05:29.00 | Strannik | Oh :( |
| 05:29.05 | psycho_oreos | <npm_> so can one put the n950 into init 3 to do a proper backup of /home/user ? |
| 05:29.14 | psycho_oreos | <psycho_oreos> I could if I had one ;p |
| 05:29.15 | psycho_oreos | <psycho_oreos> </sarcasm> |
| 05:29.25 | Strannik | Hahaha :) |
| 05:30.03 | psycho_oreos | heh I might get booted for being a smartass like that ;) |
| 05:30.32 | Strannik | Lol i doubt it. Its good to see some humour in the community |
| 05:31.17 | Strannik | I really want the n950 now... People keep talking about it |
| 05:31.25 | psycho_oreos | I don't think he liked the joke.. he must have pissed off to find someone jokingly referred he had N950 to rescue him out.. probably desperate too |
| 05:31.27 | psycho_oreos | haha |
| 05:31.53 | psycho_oreos | its a rare device but us maemo warriors should really be granted one imo ;) |
| 05:32.16 | Strannik | True that |
| 05:32.24 | Strannik | ;) |
| 05:32.35 | Strannik | Thats a promising smiley haha |
| 05:32.49 | psycho_oreos | its the epic troll smiley in disguise :) |
| 05:32.54 | psycho_oreos | err ;D |
| 05:33.33 | Strannik | DocScrutinizer: btw i was meaning to ask you all the time why aegis couldnt be disabled anymore in beta2 by devel-su |
| 05:33.40 | Strannik | Yea |
| 05:34.19 | Strannik | Its the hint hint smiley for all the secret nokia developers here who are looking who to give the n950 to ;) |
| 05:34.56 | Strannik | At least the ones who survived elops deathcamps |
| 05:35.10 | psycho_oreos | you meant the troll camp? ;) |
| 05:35.22 | Strannik | Hahahha |
| 05:35.26 | Strannik | Yea |
| 05:35.27 | psycho_oreos | well concentrated troll camp |
| 05:35.48 | Strannik | Btw that silver n950 device on the accuweather site |
| 05:36.04 | Strannik | Looks like it is covered in some sort of protective casing |
| 05:36.29 | psycho_oreos | I bet that's the very first N950, I didn't know anything about it till someone in #maemo pointed it out awhile ago |
| 05:36.40 | Strannik | Though the screen looks kinda funky |
| 05:36.56 | Strannik | Yea i never saw that one |
| 05:36.57 | psycho_oreos | either that or some weird cover, but its definitely not the same as the latter N950 that we see |
| 05:37.24 | Strannik | Yea |
| 05:38.09 | Strannik | You know that teaser video |
| 05:38.18 | Strannik | With the silver n9(50) |
| 05:38.21 | psycho_oreos | yea? |
| 05:38.34 | Strannik | That was made by the rebellios devs |
| 05:38.39 | psycho_oreos | apparently there was one in china |
| 05:38.44 | Strannik | After that they got put in troll camp :P |
| 05:38.45 | Strannik | Haha |
| 05:38.54 | psycho_oreos | nah more like rebellious engineers :D |
| 05:38.56 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 05:39.00 | Strannik | Hahhaa |
| 05:39.02 | Strannik | Yea |
| 05:39.17 | psycho_oreos | too bad they didn't put their trademark on there |
| 05:39.32 | psycho_oreos | the troll was ere! |
| 05:39.56 | Strannik | They should have just taken their work and sold it to samsung or something |
| 05:40.01 | Strannik | Hahaha |
| 05:40.18 | psycho_oreos | Flop would have dropped his jaws and go nooo! |
| 05:40.20 | psycho_oreos | :) |
| 05:40.47 | psycho_oreos | for he had failed his mass troll program world propagation |
| 05:41.02 | Strannik | Yea all these funky devs and engeneers making nice devices just to troll elop hah |
| 05:41.29 | psycho_oreos | no wonder flop is all double chinned :)) |
| 05:41.35 | psycho_oreos | err no wonder why* |
| 05:42.17 | Strannik | Alright its nearly 6am here i just realised |
| 05:42.27 | psycho_oreos | 15:42:24 |
| 05:42.46 | Strannik | And i got to get some sleep before tomorrow |
| 05:42.51 | psycho_oreos | 10 hours ahead! biznatch! ;) |
| 05:42.58 | Strannik | Haha |
| 05:43.02 | psycho_oreos | alright sleep well :) |
| 05:43.06 | Strannik | Alright have a good one |
| 05:43.11 | psycho_oreos | thanks I'll try :D |
| 05:43.25 | Strannik | And if you run into the rebellion let me know ;) |
| 05:43.32 | psycho_oreos | will do lol |
| 05:43.38 | Strannik | Haha |
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| 22:50.48 | auser | anyone have any idea about how to get openvpn support on the n9? |
