| 02:51.32 | merlin1991 | By reading a random blog post I found out win has builtin grep |
| 02:51.33 | merlin1991 | oO |
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| 06:05.19 | int_ua | I have a core dump from telepathy-ring crash, where should I report it? |
| 06:39.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | bugs.maemo.org |
| 06:40.08 | int_ua | I thought it was going to die soon |
| 06:42.08 | int_ua | oh, it's migrating. And it's readonly.. Anyway, I've posted dumps in the KPv51 thread |
| 06:42.55 | int_ua | And while doing it catched browserd crash + hildon-desktop crash. Searching for a hildon-desktop thread... |
| 06:43.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | how's tp-ring related to KP51? |
| 06:45.10 | int_ua | kernel fell along with tp-ring |
| 06:45.35 | int_ua | simultaneously or right afterwards |
| 06:46.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 06:46.53 | int_ua | why is it strange? |
| 06:49.05 | int_ua | maybe it's some hardware fault, after all |
| 06:49.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | a) since tp-ring is a userland process that basically is unrelated to kernel, and b) the term "kernel fell" makes me wonder what happened actaully |
| 06:49.57 | int_ua | from a user point it freezed for some seconds and rebooted instantly |
| 06:50.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, problems with e.g. swap might cause mass madness |
| 06:51.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, this user experience is consistent with a kernel panic |
| 06:51.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | among others |
| 06:51.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | could as well be reboot triggered by watchdog |
| 06:51.30 | int_ua | how can I diagnose swap problems? I suspect it |
| 06:51.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | dmesg |
| 06:52.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and kernel panic dumps in /dev/mtdERRR3? |
| 06:53.11 | int_ua | I check dmesg from time to time but have never noticed anything about swap |
| 06:53.32 | kerio | it's not something you "notice" in dmesg |
| 06:53.38 | int_ua | kernel panic dumps are included in the oopslogs, aren't they? |
| 06:53.41 | kerio | it's something that suddenly explodes in your face and takes down everything |
| 06:53.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | install syslog |
| 06:53.58 | int_ua | ok, installing |
| 06:54.35 | int_ua | kerio: and after taking down everything dmesg is clear, yeah?) |
| 06:54.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | install http://maemo.org/packages/view/sp-oops-extract/ |
| 06:55.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | int_ua: after reboot that follows kernel panic, dmesg only has megs about reboot since reboot |
| 06:55.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | not of anything before |
| 06:56.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | sp-oops-extract will read out any dump in NAND kernel-panic dump partition |
| 06:56.39 | kerio | dmesg resets on every boot, so yeah |
| 06:56.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you had a kernel panic or kernel oops, it will show up in sp-oops-extract and in syslog if you're lucky |
| 06:57.26 | int_ua | "sp-oops-extract is already the newest version." |
| 06:57.33 | kerio | syslog will probably keep the error messages that happened right before the crash |
| 06:57.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | cool |
| 06:57.39 | kerio | which is useful, too |
| 06:57.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 06:58.30 | int_ua | E: Couldn't find package syslog |
| 06:58.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | re bugs.maemo.org: ferenc put it in r7o-mode yesterday afaik, and it should resurrect brighter than ever today or tomorrow |
| 06:58.41 | int_ua | klogd? |
| 06:58.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 06:59.02 | int_ua | great :) |
| 06:59.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | syklogd and klogd |
| 06:59.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | sth like that |
| 06:59.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | on depends on the other but I tend to forget which is topmost |
| 06:59.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | one* |
| 07:00.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | syslogd, sysklogd, klogd |
| 07:00.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache search syslog |
| 07:00.52 | int_ua | done, all three :) |
| 07:02.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget to clean your /var/log/syslog every other week |
| 07:02.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | or it will eventually fill up your root fs |
| 07:02.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | or you install logrotate ;-D |
| 07:02.58 | int_ua | yeah, I was just doing it |
| 07:03.16 | int_ua | oh, it's available, great |
| 07:03.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, no logrotate on fremantle |
| 07:03.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | or wait, probably my extras-devel is deactivated |
| 07:04.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | so scratch what I said |
| 07:04.11 | kerio | it "rotates" the log on boot |
| 07:04.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: duh?! |
| 07:04.42 | int_ua | who rotates? |
| 07:04.50 | int_ua | What's the point then? |
| 07:05.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: are you sure about tzhat? please elaborate |
| 07:05.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | int_ua: indeed |
| 07:05.19 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: /etc/event.d/sysklogd |
| 07:05.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that does what? |
| 07:05.50 | kerio | if the syslog file is greater than 5mb, it's moved to syslog.old |
| 07:05.52 | int_ua | checking |
| 07:05.54 | kerio | when sysklogd starts |
| 07:05.59 | kerio | i mean, before sysklogd starts |
| 07:06.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, might be true |
| 07:06.17 | kerio | "might" my ass, i'm looking at it right now |
| 07:06.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: thumbs up |
| 07:06.39 | int_ua | SYSLOG_SIZE_MB_THRESHOLD=5 |
| 07:07.14 | kerio | int_ua: syslog has very low entropy though, ubifs will use a lot less than 5mb of actual space for 5mb of log |
| 07:07.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, this might explain why this rootfs fillup happened to me only on t900 with its 200d uptime ;-P |
| 07:07.51 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: have you found a syslog bigger than 5mb? if so, sysklogd itself probably doesn't rotate his log |
| 07:07.57 | kerio | oh, i see |
| 07:08.11 | int_ua | Wow, does ubifs has compression built-in? |
| 07:08.15 | kerio | int_ua: yep |
| 07:08.28 | kerio | int_ua: df -h / compared to du -hsx / |
| 07:08.56 | kerio | my rootfs is 238M, compressed to 144M |
| 07:09.01 | int_ua | BTW, these oopses are constant for me, never had more then a week of uptime |
| 07:09.04 | kerio | D: |
| 07:09.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | this sounds like something leaking |
| 07:09.47 | int_ua | well, it was |
| 07:09.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | and we actually found some terribly leaking stuff, thanks fmg |
| 07:10.16 | int_ua | and I've found that it was that "speed patch" |
| 07:10.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | SPEEED PATD EEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!!!! |
| 07:10.39 | int_ua | but now I don't see anything eating ram but still |
| 07:10.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | PATCH* |
| 07:11.00 | kerio | reflash |
| 07:11.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | * patch are a hoax, a scam |
| 07:11.54 | int_ua | kerio: I'm too lazy to restore everything again after reflashin. |
| 07:12.18 | kerio | then enjoy your borkage |
| 07:12.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 07:13.10 | int_ua | BTW, i've never reflashed, it lives from PR1.1 or even PR1.0 (did it exist?) |
| 07:13.22 | kerio | int_ua: you're lying, you can't install PR1.2 OTA |
| 07:13.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 07:13.24 | kerio | i think |
| 07:13.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can |
| 07:13.35 | int_ua | ok, then from PR1.2 |
| 07:13.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | not anymore |
| 07:13.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you could when it been fresh |
| 07:14.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw my t900 is all the same |
| 07:15.11 | int_ua | t900? |
| 07:15.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | never seen a reflash after initial borkage on PR1.0 |
| 07:15.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | my devel N900 |
| 07:15.29 | int_ua | why t?) |
| 07:15.30 | kerio | everyone borks their first install, it seems :D |
| 07:15.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is actually my bought original N900 |
| 07:15.51 | int_ua | oh, testing |
| 07:16.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | while IroN900 is basically the devel N900 which I'm using for daily phone now |
| 07:16.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | int_ua: because of the red gleaming eyes ;-D |
| 07:17.27 | int_ua | the irony is, I've got another N900, one of the first ones from Amsterdam and it's stable as hell even with fmg's thumb-2 |
| 07:17.37 | kerio | so use that :P |
| 07:17.55 | int_ua | but I don't like keyboard material and keyboard mismatching layout :( |
| 07:18.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | get proper keymat then |
| 07:18.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | they are still offered every now and then, for as little as 5 bucks |
| 07:19.16 | int_ua | I don't trust delivery services in Ukraine |
| 07:19.33 | int_ua | there was some ... let me check the word |
| 07:19.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | tried to get 2, three weeks ago: first paypal froze the payment, then the seller re-transferred the money back to my account :-S |
| 07:20.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | it was GPP though, so I guess it must have to do with friggin UK not shipping to true EU |
| 07:20.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | GBP* |
| 07:21.02 | int_ua | oh, and these second N900 has slightly broken screen, I've forgot |
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| 07:21.29 | int_ua | *this |
| 07:21.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like you're short on N900, get a few spare ones! |
| 07:21.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's X-MESS!!! FFS |
| 07:22.10 | int_ua | =D |
| 07:22.14 | freemangordon | int_ua: hi |
| 07:22.21 | int_ua | hi :) |
| 07:22.34 | int_ua | we were just talking about you :) |
| 07:22.55 | int_ua | about thumb, etc. |
| 07:23.16 | freemangordon | int_ua: could you attach your /dev/mtd2 ont TMO KP thread too. While I read the backscroll |
| 07:23.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: please don't suggest that, when we got sp-oops-extract |
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| 07:24.27 | int_ua | so, should I? |
| 07:24.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | attach sp-oops-extract output |
| 07:24.42 | freemangordon | int_ua: it will make it much easier for me |
| 07:25.19 | int_ua | ok, trying.. |
| 07:25.46 | freemangordon | i.e. it will save me 20-30 minutes moving .lzos from TMO to N900 to my desktop |
| 07:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | sp-oops-extract /dev/mtd2 |
| 07:26.37 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: cat /dev/mtd2 > $RANDOM_FILE |
| 07:26.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | bs |
| 07:26.59 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: this is what I want |
| 07:27.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | why bother with that noise? |
| 07:27.06 | int_ua | cat and tar |
| 07:27.06 | freemangordon | bs or not |
| 07:27.26 | int_ua | what's a "bs"? |
| 07:27.31 | freemangordon | ~bs |
| 07:27.33 | kerio | battleship |
| 07:27.38 | kerio | in ogame |
| 07:27.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | backspace |
| 07:27.57 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hehe |
| 07:28.17 | freemangordon | int_ua: i suspect it is "bullshit" |
| 07:29.09 | int_ua | ) |
| 07:30.04 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: having the whole mtd2 will give me the history of int_ua's kernel oopses |
| 07:30.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly noboy who ever seen sp-oops-extract output will ever want bleeding eyes from raw mtd2 dump |
| 07:30.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody |
| 07:30.31 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: i've seen it ;) |
| 07:30.58 | freemangordon | and I have no problem with reading raw mtd2 |
| 07:31.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what else exacept $filler with noise are you getting in excess of oops-extract when you get raw mtd"? |
| 07:31.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | history? a lie! |
| 07:31.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | sp-oops-extract is comprehensive |
| 07:31.45 | int_ua | freemangordon: done |
| 07:32.10 | int_ua | Doc: do you need the -extract too? |
| 07:32.17 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: the point is that every $user can do cat, without messing with SDK repos and sp-... stuff |
| 07:32.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmm |
| 07:32.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll have a nap over this |
| 07:33.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I wonder what's the use of cat $file >$file2 |
| 07:33.48 | int_ua | wonder why? |
| 07:33.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | even when $file is a block device |
| 07:34.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | int_ua: [2012-12-19 08:26:37] <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: cat /dev/mtd2 > $RANDOM_FILE |
| 07:34.40 | freemangordon | int_ua: what kernel? |
| 07:35.55 | int_ua | 1:2.6.28-10power51r1 |
| 07:36.16 | int_ua | Doc: do you mean we can just cp it? |
| 07:36.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can attach it to a mail if you want |
| 07:37.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, probably only when your mailer runs as root |
| 07:37.34 | int_ua | yeah, stock file selection doesn't allow it |
| 07:37.38 | freemangordon | nice: |
| 07:37.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | one of the smartest things in unix ever: everything is a file |
| 07:37.42 | freemangordon | [99796.321258] Process rich-core-dumpe (pid: 1635, stack limit = 0xcdcf02e8) |
| 07:38.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | (even directories are...) |
| 07:38.21 | int_ua | what does that mean? The rich-core-dumper died itself? |
| 07:38.53 | freemangordon | this is where one of your oopses is |
| 07:39.27 | freemangordon | int_ua: do you OC? |
| 07:39.59 | int_ua | nope |
| 07:40.30 | int_ua | Unless something does it without me knowing |
| 07:41.26 | freemangordon | int_ua: SR? |
| 07:41.40 | int_ua | what's that? |
| 07:41.44 | freemangordon | smartreflex |
| 07:41.55 | int_ua | no |
| 07:42.00 | freemangordon | damn |
| 07:42.11 | freemangordon | I was hoping it is SR :( |
| 07:42.39 | int_ua | I've installed QCPUFreq a few days ago along with the kernel but I've never touched anything in it yet |
| 07:42.51 | int_ua | and it shows no SR and 600MHz |
| 07:43.20 | int_ua | so, does it look like hardware fault? |
| 07:43.23 | freemangordon | aah. pastebin the output of kernel-config show please |
| 07:43.30 | int_ua | ok |
| 07:43.38 | freemangordon | int_ua: hard to say, seems like OC |
| 07:44.20 | int_ua | bash: kernel-config: command not found |
| 07:44.27 | int_ua | should I install it? |
| 07:44.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | enjoy the last 2 days of this world! |
| 07:44.34 | int_ua | ) |
| 07:44.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | X-P |
| 07:45.25 | freemangordon | int_ua: the package name is kernel-power-settings |
| 07:45.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | two of the 4 shortest ones of this year |
| 07:46.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | while I'll gonna celebrate longest night and days getting longer again the night after tomorrow -> my XMESS |
| 07:47.04 | int_ua | :) |
| 07:48.30 | freemangordon | int_ua: where did you install the kernel from? Pali's server? or from the repos |
| 07:49.00 | int_ua | http://pastebin.com/q8ye84aa |
| 07:49.04 | int_ua | repos |
| 07:49.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | finds the cpu hog is actually 'sort', child of 'updatedb' and puts away the big gun |
| 07:49.56 | int_ua | what is "avoid frequencies"? 0_o |
| 07:50.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | those are frequencies that are deemed instable |
| 07:50.30 | freemangordon | int_ua: the name says it all |
| 07:50.44 | int_ua | hm |
| 07:50.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simply can't get achieved due to divider restrictions |
| 07:51.22 | int_ua | is it ok to have 125 in it while it's the min one? |
| 07:51.23 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: those are the frequencies that won't be used, even enabled in the range of allowed freqs |
| 07:52.09 | freemangordon | you can put 500 in there and it won't be used |
| 07:52.21 | freemangordon | it does not mean 500 is unstable ;) |
| 07:53.00 | freemangordon | anyway, int_ua's kernel config is ok |
| 07:53.09 | int_ua | but I didn't put 125 in there, does that mean it was detected as unstable? |
| 07:53.15 | int_ua | ok |
| 07:53.21 | freemangordon | int_ua: no, it is disabled as default |
| 07:53.30 | freemangordon | also, scratch "unstable" |
| 07:53.36 | int_ua | ok) |
| 07:54.46 | freemangordon | int_ua: I'm afraid there is nothing useful (for me at least) in the information so far. i'll wait for your syslog next time that happen |
| 07:55.15 | int_ua | ok :) |
| 07:55.18 | freemangordon | int_ua: BTW can you reproduce it somehow at your will? |
| 07:57.11 | int_ua | nope, not yet. Actually, it's the first crash of KP, I just switched to it. With the old one it was frequent when connecting/disconnecting GPRS, but not always it. |
| 07:58.02 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: who is that guy ferenc? who appointed him? and why he behaves like we owe him 5 euros? |
| 07:58.22 | freemangordon | int_ua: old one? |
| 07:58.36 | int_ua | stock kernel |
| 07:58.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeeh? |
| 07:58.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | we owe him 5 EUR? |
| 07:59.15 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: that's a proverb, scratch that |
| 07:59.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah |
| 07:59.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc who he actually is and who appointed him |
| 07:59.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I thought he's a nemein guy but that seems incorrect |
| 07:59.59 | freemangordon | :( |
| 08:01.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't it incredible how current and former councils have/had no clue of what's going on behind the scenes, or didn't publish it in any way? |
| 08:02.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | there is basically no "secret knowledge" of (recent) council, I'm as ignorant as you are |
| 08:03.17 | freemangordon | int_ua: so, you had the same oopses with stock kernel too? |
| 08:03.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I actually had to google for "Nemein" to find out what it actually is |
| 08:03.50 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: does not sound good :( |
| 08:04.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | the rest is handwaving and deduction from sporadic mails mentioning a detail or two |
| 08:04.32 | int_ua | I'm not sure they are the same, but I had oopses, yes |
| 08:04.59 | freemangordon | int_ua: well, i'd recommend a reflash |
| 08:05.10 | freemangordon | both rootfs and eMMC |
| 08:05.37 | freemangordon | if I read it correctly, you've never done a reflash. correct? |
| 08:06.40 | int_ua | yeah... |
| 08:06.49 | freemangordon | int_ua: you had crappatch installed once, ain;t? |
| 08:06.52 | int_ua | how do you see it? :) |
| 08:07.01 | int_ua | yeah... |
| 08:07.29 | freemangordon | int_ua: i think you wrote it, but not sure :D |
| 08:07.30 | int_ua | oh, you are talking about IRC, I thought you've seen it logs |
| 08:07.37 | int_ua | :) |
| 08:08.54 | freemangordon | int_ua: only muslim gods know what crap/battery patch do. and I am still not convince you can uninstall them, without having some remnants |
| 08:09.09 | freemangordon | *convinced |
| 08:09.33 | int_ua | ;( |
| 08:09.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | there'll always be remnants, in your feeling of being abused |
| 08:09.51 | freemangordon | thus: full reflash. And be very careful what you install on that shiny newly flashed n900 ;) |
| 08:10.23 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: :D |
| 08:10.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | even worse remnants when you try to understand what crap patch actually does, and whether the one writing them had a brain or been a cabbage |
| 08:10.47 | int_ua | maybe I'll try my fileorphan script on that |
| 08:11.00 | int_ua | to find possible remnants |
| 08:11.13 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: though it is vi to blame, as he gave the idea :) |
| 08:11.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be |
| 08:11.46 | freemangordon | anyway, i am off to work |
| 08:11.50 | int_ua | ok |
| 08:11.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | the original author of crappatch though been some angry script kiddie or sth |
| 08:12.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | with questins of the class "how do I store output of a command into a file?" |
| 08:12.49 | int_ua | I think you are still too harsh (not sure the word is right) to him. But I don't know the whole story, maybe |
| 08:13.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | pestered all of us for a few weeks, then he came up with his first acme *patch shite |
| 08:13.28 | int_ua | maybe it was sabotage? |
| 08:15.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | some experienced users explained to him in loving verbosity that made everybody weep why his 'patch' (actually script) is BAD[TM], and he acted offensive and agressive and came up with rev2 that was even worse |
| 08:15.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | all disclaimer "IIRC" |
| 08:15.57 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: IIRC it was exactly like that |
| 08:16.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | about that time it was when he made it on everybody's ignore list basically |
| 08:18.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: have a nice day! |
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| 10:31.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys patch |
| 10:31.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys speed |
| 10:32.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~speedpatch |
| 10:33.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~speedpatch is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] |
| 10:33.03 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 10:33.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~batterypatch is <reply>see speedpatch |
| 10:33.55 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 10:34.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~crappatch is <reply>see speedpatch |
| 10:34.08 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 10:39.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~crapppatch |
| 10:39.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~crappatch |
| 10:39.08 | infobot | i guess speedpatch is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch] |
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| 11:10.14 | merlin1991 | owns a pair of non-broken glasses again |
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| 11:30.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 11:34.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | owns a server that's borked atm |
| 11:35.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-12-19 11:44:49] [Notice] -NickServ- DocScrutinizer51!~lagrange@lagrange.cloud-7.de has just authenticated as you (jOERG_rw) <-looks like a reboot, since then however the box is down |
| 11:36.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-( |
| 11:36.45 | luf | merlin1991: great :) |
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| 12:39.32 | kerio | merlin1991: see, you're *still* doing it wrong |
| 12:39.39 | kerio | you should be owning *two* pairs of non-broken glasses |
| 12:39.46 | merlin1991 | kerio: 2nd pair comes soon |
| 12:39.50 | merlin1991 | probably next week |
| 12:40.13 | merlin1991 | it's crazy how expensive this stuff is though |
| 12:40.58 | merlin1991 | proper plastic glass that is selfdarkening in my strenght is like 200€ a lens |
| 12:41.28 | tadzik | wow, it's worse than here |
| 12:43.00 | jon_y | I paid for normal plastic glasses for 200€ too |
| 12:43.14 | jon_y | none of that self darkening because it was too expensive |
| 12:43.55 | merlin1991 | 200€ without features? |
| 12:43.57 | merlin1991 | o_O |
| 12:44.16 | merlin1991 | jon_y: or was that for both lenses? |
| 12:45.13 | jon_y | no self darkening, yes, glasses come with 2 lenses :) |
| 12:46.00 | merlin1991 | well in my case it was 200 per lens so 400 in total + the frame |
| 12:46.02 | jon_y | not sure if ~5.00 is considered high power |
| 12:46.23 | jon_y | oh, mine was 200 including frame |
| 12:47.01 | jon_y | looks like a dinky plastic thing with the amount of material used |
| 12:47.17 | merlin1991 | the ones I'm wearing atm (the future spare pair) were 120 including frame and everything |
| 12:48.19 | jon_y | that is really cheap! |
| 12:48.45 | merlin1991 | they had some kind of christmas bonus program thingy |
| 12:48.53 | jon_y | I wonder if I can get them cheap if I buy in bulk or something :) |
| 12:49.54 | merlin1991 | regarding high power, here there's ususally a price gap if you go "higher" than -4 |
| 12:50.24 | jon_y | I guess 5-ish is considered high |
| 12:51.03 | merlin1991 | I'm currently 6-ish |
| 12:51.21 | jon_y | iirc polarized lenses go even higher, 250€ just for the lens |
| 12:51.28 | jon_y | or 300€ |
| 12:51.48 | jon_y | they're good for, driving in the rain :) |
| 12:54.38 | merlin1991 | hm just wondering is the exit mask on an lcd horizontal or vertical? |
| 12:54.57 | merlin1991 | because depending on that polarized glasses could be err "fun" to use :D |
| 12:55.08 | jon_y | good point :) |
| 12:56.27 | jon_y | I've seen some hard hacks that remove the polarizer layer from the LCD and cut them into glasses |
| 12:56.48 | merlin1991 | hehe |
| 12:56.56 | jon_y | without the special glasses, the screen looks completely white, at least to the camera that took the picture |
| 12:57.58 | jon_y | I've seen some commercial LCD covers too, it looks completely black without special eyewear |
| 12:59.24 | merlin1991 | hm how would that work? |
| 13:00.19 | jon_y | I don't know, I saw some high level manager in my office looking and reading a black screen |
| 13:00.39 | jon_y | I assumed the covering layer must be some LCD protector thing |
| 13:00.46 | merlin1991 | the first hack is obvious it removes the filter that would trim down the light components to what you want to see, but how can you go from dark to visible, unless it does something weird like shifting the phase of the light |
| 13:01.27 | jon_y | no idea, it looked pitch black to me when I passed his cube |
| 13:01.57 | jon_y | maybe it further polarizes, so no shoulder surfing |
| 13:02.25 | merlin1991 | well polarizing has no effect where the eye doesn't see the light |
| 13:02.39 | jon_y | uh, maybe that wasnt the right word |
| 13:02.55 | jon_y | reduce the field at which the lcd would be visible |
| 13:03.26 | merlin1991 | hm but you still should see stuff when you are behind the guy then |
| 13:03.46 | jon_y | well, I wasn't behind him, so I could not check :) |
| 13:03.58 | jon_y | it looked pitch black from the side though |
| 13:04.16 | jon_y | I thought he was goofing off :) |
| 13:04.23 | merlin1991 | hehe |
| 13:10.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: (polarization) changes from screen to screen, but usually diagonal |
| 13:12.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | (reading black screen) those are protective "screensavers" that narrow down view angle form maybe 160° to like 20° |
| 13:14.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | very commonly used protective gear on corporate laptops managed by a security aware IT |
| 13:15.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you see same stuff on almost all ATMs right now |
| 13:15.42 | merlin1991 | hm security aware or security nuts? |
| 13:17.15 | merlin1991 | the best thing regarding security so far I've seen was a policy that required all users to *never* store *anything* unencrypted on a flash drive |
| 13:18.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | seen Rambo's answer on "maemo services go to read only..." ML thread? |
| 13:20.36 | merlin1991 | which rambo |
| 13:20.40 | merlin1991 | there seem to be several |
| 13:21.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | Eero af heurlin |
| 13:24.43 | merlin1991 | ah yep, so we have vms somewhere somehow, but no physical boxes, on what do we run untill then, soon to be broken promises? |
| 13:26.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, there are 1,2, even 3? physical servers and there are ~8 to 14 VMs running on them - right now. nemein moving that stuff to new hw to donate that to board. |
| 13:26.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Rambo wasn't averse to set up a plain new VM for tmo on those |
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| 13:29.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | right now Nemein themselves do an interim solution of moving everything to some vservers $anywhere, and aiui they will move those VMs to the new hw that's becoming available around new year |
| 13:30.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | (unless board manages to get a quotation from them for future hosting costs, and then maybe decides to not even accept the whole "own hardware" offer and rather ask for the same value in convertable currency to pay a year of hosting and admin from that) |
| 13:31.57 | kerio | imo we should move away from nemein imo |
| 13:32.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly have Not Faintest Clue what board does regarding this particular topic of own servers donated by Nokia, colocation, colocation costs, whatnot |
| 13:32.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: doing what instead? |
| 13:32.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and why? |
| 13:32.53 | kerio | costs too much |
| 13:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | says who? |
| 13:33.12 | kerio | how much money do we have? |
| 13:33.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: that's a silly question unless you know how much you NEED |
| 13:34.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW how much does Nemein cost? YOU know? then wtf don't you tell us? |
| 13:34.47 | kerio | i thought we knew how much the bigass server nokia offered costs to host |
| 13:34.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope |
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| 13:39.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | We know colocation is usually NOT cheaper than renting hardware as you're doing with usual offers for dedicated server hosting. |
| 13:39.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | we know you have to pay for any hw fix that hw owned by you will need |
| 13:41.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | we know also that administration of a server cluster of that size is a fultime job for a professional at very least during the first 3..6 months, even when 'only migrating' it. And usual wages for such a professional are in the 50bucks/h range |
| 13:41.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe higher |
| 13:41.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | on very fair offers maybe lower |
| 13:41.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | (or should I say "very unfair offers" - unfair to the one doing the work) |
| 13:43.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | we also know that the number of VMs to run, or particularly the number of autobuilder jobs on standby will insignificantly change that amount of work the whole infra is requiring for administration |
| 13:47.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | what we meanwhile also know is: when you don't assign sufficient working hours to administration then you see effects like we seen them with autobuilder and wiki during last month(s) |
| 13:51.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | now the questions we have to answer: 1) how much will Nemein call up for physical hosting (colocation) of those servers generously donated to community by Nokia? 2) Is Nemein willing and able to do professional admin at least on system level for that infra, and how much will the call up for that? 3) Does the answer to the first 2 questions suggest we need to consider alternatives, and what might those be? |
| 13:52.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | during Q:3 we might come back to your question "how much money does board have?" |
| 13:52.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | in parallel we might be able to think about what we can do for tmo |
| 13:53.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | and how that fits into the first 3 questions and answers to them |
| 14:11.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd ROTFL til blue in the face when Reggie would move his server to a EU server himself, before even offering anybody of council or board access to the system |
| 14:14.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Regie seems to have no concerns, Nemein/Ferenc/Rambo seem to have no concerns, I would've no concerns if I were designated responsible admin of that VM running tmo. Reggie could decide to not even think about board in the whole process of migration/donation of tmo to "community". Just board seems angrily determined to "decide on the tmo hosting in tonight's board meeting" and no answer whatsoever regarding WTF are their concerns |
| 14:14.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | now with moving from US to EU |
| 14:16.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | so if Reggie moves his complete hosting from his current server to a EU located vserver sponsored by Nemein, I *really* wonder what board will do. Refuse to take tmo from Reggie then, since it moved out of US? |
| 14:17.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | (admittedly a tiny bit hypothetical) |
| 14:45.47 | Lava_Croft | everytime you say Reggie |
| 14:45.51 | Lava_Croft | I see the head of Nintendo of America |
| 14:45.52 | Lava_Croft | >_< |
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| 16:15.44 | luf | freemangordon: ping |
| 16:17.15 | luf | freemangordon: I think your tklock has some problem (syslog): mce[802]: Error sending with reply to com.nokia.system_ui.request.tklock_open: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs |
| 16:28.02 | luf | Another question about dbus |
| 16:28.23 | luf | I have in syslog: iap_conndlg 2.88+0m5[1338]: Connecting RFCOMM failed: Method "Connect" with signature "s" on interface "org.bluez.Serial" doesn't exist |
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| 16:28.49 | luf | but neither dbus-monitor --system nor dbus-monitor --session shows such call. |
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| 16:29.12 | luf | I need to find what on destination it is called. |
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| 16:47.04 | luf | It doesn't mather. I see that the reason was that the remote BT endpoint doesn't support RFCOMM :) |
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| 17:26.52 | freemangordon | luf: is that latest? |
| 17:27.01 | freemangordon | tklock that is |
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| 17:34.21 | luf | freemangordon: yes installed yesterday or previous day |
| 17:34.38 | freemangordon | luf: can you reproduce it? |
| 17:34.58 | luf | ii osso-systemui-tklock 0.3.0.1+0cssu0 |
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| 17:35.22 | *** topic/#maemo-ssu by merlin1991 -> Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version (testing): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo6; (stable): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo4.1 | Meeting: Wed. 12-13 1900UTC |
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| 17:35.33 | luf | ii osso-systemui-tklock 0.3.0.1+0cssu0 |
| 17:38.00 | luf | freemangordon: to be honest I don't know. |
| 17:42.18 | freemangordon | luf: that's not the latest |
| 17:42.36 | luf | Ok. Good news :) |
| 17:42.56 | freemangordon | aah, wait |
| 17:42.59 | freemangordon | it is :( |
| 17:43.24 | freemangordon | luf: what did you do to have this messgae in syslog? |
| 17:44.29 | luf | No idea :( |
| 17:46.39 | luf | I played with bluez + win and I saw that several times in log |
| 17:47.07 | luf | I'm not able to reproduce it now. But I rebooted ... |
| 17:48.38 | freemangordon | hmm, would you grep syslog for systemui |
| 17:48.48 | freemangordon | to check for something suspicios |
| 17:55.59 | freemangordon | luf: i have those here too, will build traces-enabled version of tklock and will see what's going on |
| 17:56.09 | luf | I want to upload the file to pastebin and I'm totaly lost :D It's first time I want to upload the file there. |
| 17:56.36 | luf | BTW it follows with ok calling. |
| 17:56.47 | freemangordon | same here |
| 17:57.13 | freemangordon | hmm, no, I have to consecutive failed calls |
| 17:57.13 | luf | Good. But I'm sorry I have no clue how to reproduce :( |
| 17:57.21 | freemangordon | in 4 seconds |
| 17:57.37 | freemangordon | me too, that's why I will enable traces |
| 17:59.34 | freemangordon | merlin1991: do we have a meeting today? :P |
| 18:00.52 | merlin1991 | yes :D |
| 18:01.02 | merlin1991 | I adjusted the date a few mins ago :D |
| 18:01.05 | luf | freemangordon: http://pastebin.com/17uCXdym |
| 18:01.19 | luf | Thanks for remember me the meeting. |
| 18:01.24 | luf | I totaly forget. |
| 18:02.57 | freemangordon | hmm, that's weird |
| 18:05.13 | luf | freemangordon: don't you bind it several times? or something like that (I'm using tklock just one or two days on my devel phone) |
| 18:05.48 | freemangordon | luf: rephrase please |
| 18:05.51 | freemangordon | bind? |
| 18:08.56 | luf | freemangordon: like first time it asks to wrong part and second time it asks the right part |
| 18:09.12 | luf | I don't have very good idea. |
| 18:11.07 | freemangordon | luf: lets see what will happen now I have the traces enabled |
| 18:11.38 | luf | :) |
| 18:12.14 | freemangordon | luf: it could be because i removed the (obsolete) tklock support |
| 18:13.00 | luf | freemangordon: so not so much "obsolete" ? But as I said it doesn't reoccur after reboot. |
| 18:13.48 | freemangordon | and in case if any not supported tklock request it returs 0, which seems to be "invalid input arguments" |
| 18:14.00 | freemangordon | but that will become clear from the traces |
| 18:14.15 | freemangordon | yah, not that "obsolete" it seems |
| 18:14.15 | luf | as you said: we'll see :) |
| 18:14.26 | freemangordon | yep |
| 18:14.40 | luf | merlin1991: ping |
| 18:14.59 | merlin1991 | luf: pong |
| 18:15.26 | luf | merlin1991: have you tried BT send file between win and N900? |
| 18:16.01 | merlin1991 | I broke my glasses on saturday and got new ones today, so not yet :/ |
| 18:16.10 | merlin1991 | but I'll try it now |
| 18:16.13 | luf | Reporter wrote it's a problem on all win for him (WIDCOM BT stack) and I'm unable to reproduce it on win xp with MS/IVT BlueSoleil stak ... |
| 18:16.51 | luf | Please test it prior you setup connection for me as I'm not sure if you'll be faced with the problem. |
| 18:17.06 | merlin1991 | hm step1 get new bluez :D |
| 18:17.37 | luf | :) quiet easy ... bluez + libbluetooth3 ;) |
| 18:26.00 | merlin1991 | luf: maemo2+0cssu1? |
| 18:26.26 | luf | Yes. It's the latest one. |
| 18:29.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, meeting?? |
| 18:30.13 | merlin1991 | last meeting at the end narrowed it down to this point in time in 30 mins |
| 18:30.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-S |
| 18:30.23 | merlin1991 | still open points are the buglist and browser-ui |
| 18:30.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | will you need me? |
| 18:31.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh c'mon, I'll happily stay away |
| 18:31.23 | merlin1991 | ofc |
| 18:31.38 | merlin1991 | you can pick one ;) |
| 18:31.55 | merlin1991 | luf: any way to restart bluez without restarting the phone? |
| 18:32.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm kinda pissed today |
| 18:32.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | so probably me staying away is your best option ;-) |
| 18:34.13 | merlin1991 | luf and kerio were missing you last time :D |
| 18:34.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I got a broken (possibly rooted) server on my plate, and a broken ZNC from that. Plus some more arguing about how simple it is to host a server infra about 20 times that size of my broken tiny box |
| 18:35.06 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: you should be there ... in other case you risk that we include new kernel into CSSU (you know) :D |
| 18:35.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: |
| 18:35.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just going to get my backups of repo and stuff then, and forget about the rest |
| 18:38.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly not a good day to troll me |
| 18:39.38 | luf | ok. |
| 18:39.47 | freemangordon | merlin1991: stop bluetoothd/start bluetoothd |
| 18:41.10 | luf | or reboot |
| 18:41.12 | merlin1991 | luf: I can't even send a file to win7 on stock bluez |
| 18:41.37 | luf | What is BT stack on windows? |
| 18:41.47 | luf | And what the opposite way (win -> N900)> |
| 18:42.40 | merlin1991 | win -> n900 works |
| 18:43.08 | merlin1991 | ah wait |
| 18:43.13 | merlin1991 | used the wrong device |
| 18:43.13 | merlin1991 | xD |
| 18:43.31 | luf | ??? |
| 18:43.43 | merlin1991 | my n900 is paired with my n9 |
| 18:43.44 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 18:44.02 | merlin1991 | and it takes forever to show the laptop, and atm it doesn't show it at all o_O |
| 18:44.05 | luf | ?? How it affects win -> N900 ? |
| 18:44.15 | merlin1991 | nono win-n900 works fine |
| 18:44.20 | merlin1991 | that's all about n900 -> win |
| 18:44.53 | luf | Ok, as I edited my post on TMO I think you don't have configured BT COM port (RFCOMM) on win side. |
| 18:45.11 | merlin1991 | the share file over bluetooth dialog does not list my laptop :/ |
| 18:45.38 | luf | I suppose you're using MS BT stack is it right? |
| 18:45.57 | merlin1991 | how do I check that? |
| 18:46.26 | luf | I'm not fully sure the right way as I don't use win. |
| 18:46.50 | luf | win: What menu do you se when you right click the BT icon is status menu? |
| 18:48.04 | merlin1991 | the win one |
| 18:48.26 | merlin1991 | add device, show devices ... |
| 18:48.53 | merlin1991 | btw I tried with your bluez now (the first test was with stock) |
| 18:49.14 | merlin1991 | with this one I can't even browse the n900 / send a file to the n900 |
| 18:49.47 | luf | Good for finding the problem :) |
| 18:49.55 | luf | You're using MS stack. |
| 18:50.13 | luf | It's working here in win xp ... |
| 18:50.49 | merlin1991 | and dmesg on the n900 shows Spurious irq 95: 0xffffffdf, please flush psoted write for irq 11 |
| 18:51.02 | merlin1991 | a few times |
| 18:56.08 | luf | Can you re-pair it with new bluez? |
| 18:56.42 | merlin1991 | I did the inital pari with your bluez |
| 18:57.03 | merlin1991 | the stock test was done on stock pr1.3.1 on another device |
| 18:57.26 | luf | Did you unpair it also on win side? Or how do you know that stock bluez is ok? |
| 18:57.43 | merlin1991 | see above ;) |
| 19:02.38 | freemangordon | merlin1991: which kernel is that? with Spurious irq 95 |
| 19:03.01 | luf | meeting? |
| 19:03.13 | freemangordon | luf: where? :P |
| 19:03.20 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: omap1 |
| 19:03.26 | merlin1991 | okay meeting time |
| 19:03.34 | merlin1991 | ping arcean Pali |
| 19:03.41 | freemangordon | merlin1991: aah, that explains it |
| 19:03.48 | freemangordon | that one is fixed in KP |
| 19:03.56 | merlin1991 | what is it actually? |
| 19:04.06 | Pali | pong merlin1991 |
| 19:04.08 | merlin1991 | because it didn't happen with stock bluez |
| 19:04.10 | arcean | pong merlin1991 |
| 19:04.29 | freemangordon | some of the omap regs needs read after write when you ack an irq |
| 19:04.36 | freemangordon | *need |
| 19:05.02 | freemangordon | if you don;t read, irq is triggered again, when not expected |
| 19:05.18 | freemangordon | thus: spurious |
| 19:05.36 | merlin1991 | okay browser-ui or bugs first? |
| 19:05.54 | freemangordon | browser, seems easier |
| 19:05.59 | Pali | romaxa did not responce on my mails |
| 19:06.09 | Pali | so maybe is on holiday... |
| 19:06.11 | freemangordon | Pali: what do you expect ?!? |
| 19:06.24 | freemangordon | merlin1991: lets switch to private |
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| 19:45.31 | merlin1991 | the bug party starts with #12575 |
| 19:45.47 | freemangordon | bug 12575 |
| 19:45.48 | merlin1991 | where's our lovely infobot? |
| 19:45.49 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12575 microb-engine: CVE-2011-3026: Integer overflow in embedded libpng |
| 19:45.59 | merlin1991 | ah yeah povbot |
| 19:46.02 | freemangordon | merlin1991: she does not love you :P |
| 19:46.09 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: I think you tackled that one at some point? |
| 19:46.12 | freemangordon | she likes oldies :D:D:D |
| 19:46.42 | freemangordon | merlin1991: iirc i fixed that one |
| 19:46.54 | freemangordon | let me check |
| 19:47.33 | freemangordon | hmm, no |
| 19:48.25 | freemangordon | merlin1991: the fix is to upgrade th library ;) |
| 19:48.46 | kerio | but what about all the programs that depend on that bug??? /s |
| 19:49.02 | freemangordon | kerio: thay'll stop work |
| 19:49.05 | freemangordon | *they |
| 19:49.50 | merlin1991 | so that one is still open? |
| 19:50.12 | merlin1991 | I'll corsscheck the tasklist and will put it on there if it's missing |
| 19:51.05 | merlin1991 | next up bug #12576 |
| 19:51.06 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12576 hildon-desktop crashed after failed SDL png load |
| 19:51.10 | freemangordon | garage is read-only afaik |
| 19:51.18 | merlin1991 | it's going writeable soon again |
| 19:51.35 | merlin1991 | arcrean I think youfixed 12576 in current git? |
| 19:51.39 | freemangordon | arcean: that one is fixed afaik |
| 19:51.49 | arcean | yes, fixed |
| 19:51.56 | freemangordon | is it in -testing? |
| 19:52.13 | arcean | no |
| 19:52.15 | merlin1991 | i think the fix is only in -devel atm |
| 19:52.54 | arcean | yes, it's only in cssu-devel |
| 19:52.55 | freemangordon | well, mark it as "close pending" or something |
| 19:53.20 | freemangordon | though... if arcean insists it is fixed, we can close it :) |
| 19:53.20 | merlin1991 | I have one more for arcean bug #12584 |
| 19:53.21 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12584 hildon-menu gets rotated if orientation locked from portrait |
| 19:53.22 | luf | can someone put a comment there? |
| 19:53.29 | arcean | bugzilla should be read-only :P |
| 19:53.40 | merlin1991 | luf: I keep a list and put that stuff there later on |
| 19:53.50 | arcean | merlin1991, fixed also |
| 19:54.01 | merlin1991 | luf: so we can move through quicker we have 36 on the list :) |
| 19:54.03 | freemangordon | hildon-menu? WTF is that? |
| 19:54.12 | arcean | it's even in -testing |
| 19:54.43 | arcean | he meant hildon-status-menu |
| 19:55.01 | arcean | but the bug was in hildon-desktop |
| 19:55.16 | merlin1991 | fixed then, next is bug #12586 |
| 19:55.16 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12586 Status area dialogs force landscape mode when an application is active |
| 19:55.28 | freemangordon | merlin1991: fixed in -devel? |
| 19:55.31 | freemangordon | oops |
| 19:55.35 | freemangordon | arcean: ^^^ |
| 19:56.15 | arcean | should be fixed in -devel |
| 19:56.36 | arcean | that's the first time I saw that bug report :) |
| 19:56.58 | arcean | but as I said, it should be fixed in -devel |
| 19:57.18 | merlin1991 | okay I'll check that when I build the new h-d then |
| 19:57.34 | merlin1991 | bug # 12596 |
| 19:57.36 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12596 Caps Lock On on first letter after a Period not working |
| 19:58.06 | freemangordon | merlin1991: invalid |
| 19:58.14 | merlin1991 | seems to be |
| 19:58.28 | merlin1991 | I wonder though where it came from |
| 19:58.45 | freemangordon | that guy somehow has messed up "text input" settings |
| 19:59.43 | merlin1991 | okay next is bug #12601 |
| 19:59.44 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12601 [osso-pdfviewer] Deactivated "continuous scrolling" reactivates after loading, but checkbox state remains |
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| 19:59.51 | freemangordon | hmm, which reminds me that we need GTK developer for GTK |
| 20:00.04 | merlin1991 | yeah I'll put that out on tmo |
| 20:00.40 | freemangordon | "this time for real" :P:P:P |
| 20:00.47 | arcean | ;] |
| 20:00.57 | arcean | all in all, the bug report is valid |
| 20:01.02 | Pali | I can look at that bug |
| 20:01.19 | Pali | I backported that patch from diablo-cssu |
| 20:01.19 | freemangordon | hugs Pali |
| 20:02.00 | merlin1991 | it's also not stored over restarts of the pdf viewer |
| 20:02.40 | merlin1991 | but afaik pdf viewer stores no "settings" so we probably want to only fix this bug and not add a settings system aswell |
| 20:02.50 | merlin1991 | okay Pali looks into it |
| 20:03.05 | merlin1991 | bug #12606 |
| 20:03.06 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12606 Add portrait support for orientation lock. |
| 20:03.13 | freemangordon | aaah |
| 20:03.30 | freemangordon | arcean: do we still have no chances? |
| 20:03.55 | freemangordon | i.e. what stops that one? |
| 20:04.04 | arcean | it could be done, without Qt apps ;) |
| 20:04.31 | freemangordon | arcean: hmm if we define thoe correct policy, Qt will fit too |
| 20:04.41 | freemangordon | or we can fix Qt after all |
| 20:04.51 | arcean | when MCE sends 'portrait' signal, Qt sets portrait flags on a window |
| 20:05.02 | arcean | when MCE sends 'landscape' signal, Qt removes all portrait flags |
| 20:05.12 | freemangordon | arcean: iirc we already agree that Qt should listen to h-d |
| 20:05.20 | arcean | so we have no idea, if an app supports portrait mode |
| 20:05.24 | arcean | yup |
| 20:06.22 | merlin1991 | so 2 steps, fix Qt, verify that, then have more fun in h-d |
| 20:06.23 | freemangordon | arcean: wanna take this one? i will help as much as I can. |
| 20:06.26 | arcean | the whole Qt's Orientation Manager is broken by design |
| 20:06.31 | freemangordon | merlin1991: the opposite |
| 20:06.43 | freemangordon | do that one, fix Qt afterwards |
| 20:07.05 | arcean | I would start with Qt, and then remove all nasty-Qt hacks from h-d ;) |
| 20:07.05 | freemangordon | arcean: agree? |
| 20:07.23 | freemangordon | arcean: Qt hacks in h-d? |
| 20:08.10 | arcean | there's a couple of lines because of Qt problems |
| 20:08.23 | freemangordon | really? the fuck |
| 20:08.35 | Pali | like in browser... |
| 20:08.55 | arcean | yeah, for e.g. controlling the topmost window etc |
| 20:09.09 | freemangordon | arcean: again, I will help if you take on that one |
| 20:09.44 | arcean | ok, I'll try in my free time to do something with Qt |
| 20:09.46 | freemangordon | but I don;t want to be the "owner", kernel and glibc are on my todo top |
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| 20:10.32 | arcean | I hate it takes so much time to build Qt :D |
| 20:10.52 | freemangordon | arcean: it is about h-d, Qt part should be relatively easy |
| 20:11.00 | freemangordon | (besides build time :D ) |
| 20:11.05 | arcean | hehe |
| 20:11.32 | merlin1991 | well depending on your pc speed we could build qt on the server :D |
| 20:12.01 | freemangordon | arcean: you could do -nc ;) |
| 20:12.06 | merlin1991 | anyway that one's taken then |
| 20:12.19 | merlin1991 | bug #12609 |
| 20:12.20 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12609 Problems with some non-latin layouts input in Qt-based software |
| 20:12.21 | arcean | I can handle this :) |
| 20:12.37 | freemangordon | merlin1991: I am hit by that :D |
| 20:13.19 | merlin1991 | do we have the full input chain (button press until key event) open by now? |
| 20:13.32 | merlin1991 | if yes we should look into this |
| 20:13.43 | freemangordon | merlin1991: confirm that, and give it low priority, as it seems now there is noone to take care of it |
| 20:14.08 | freemangordon | merlin1991: the whole input chain? |
| 20:14.44 | merlin1991 | virtual keyboard and other possible middleware friends ;) |
| 20:14.52 | freemangordon | Qt part is open AFAIk :P. And the bug is there, deffinitely |
| 20:15.02 | merlin1991 | ah okay then |
| 20:15.07 | merlin1991 | will put it on the task list |
| 20:15.24 | merlin1991 | bug # 12621 |
| 20:15.25 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12621 sharing-plugin-facebook stopped working |
| 20:15.32 | freemangordon | fixed |
| 20:15.35 | merlin1991 | that was fixed by curl right? |
| 20:15.38 | freemangordon | libcurl3 |
| 20:15.41 | freemangordon | yep |
| 20:16.08 | merlin1991 | bug #12629 |
| 20:16.09 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12629 blacklisting works not as it should |
| 20:16.19 | merlin1991 | arcean: I think you fixed that one already |
| 20:16.29 | arcean | yes, and reverted the fix :) |
| 20:16.44 | merlin1991 | so is it unfixed atm? Or did you find a new solution? |
| 20:16.56 | freemangordon | merlin1991: it was a regressin, fixed |
| 20:17.00 | arcean | the problem is with qt-components not with h-d |
| 20:17.02 | freemangordon | *regression |
| 20:17.13 | freemangordon | hmm... |
| 20:17.20 | merlin1991 | so qt again |
| 20:17.25 | arcean | the qt-components rotates the application and then h-d rotate the window |
| 20:17.25 | freemangordon | arcean: is it fixed or not? |
| 20:17.31 | arcean | not fixed |
| 20:17.37 | freemangordon | aah |
| 20:17.54 | freemangordon | qt-components? ot qt? |
| 20:18.14 | arcean | I have no idea why qt-components window has portrait flag |
| 20:19.10 | freemangordon | hmm, wait |
| 20:19.26 | freemangordon | does that happen with force-rotation enabled? |
| 20:20.16 | arcean | doesn't matter |
| 20:20.40 | arcean | it could be easy to fix, after taking care of Qt rotation policy |
| 20:21.05 | arcean | or not |
| 20:21.11 | freemangordon | arcean: WPx amulator works like charm here |
| 20:21.16 | freemangordon | *emulator |
| 20:22.13 | freemangordon | merlin1991: I'd rather mark that as "needinfo" and request transitions.ini |
| 20:23.41 | freemangordon | arcean: it could be that reporter has mistyped the application name |
| 20:23.51 | arcean | it would be great to have more info from the reporter |
| 20:24.20 | merlin1991 | okay needinfo |
| 20:24.39 | merlin1991 | bug # 12631 |
| 20:24.41 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12631 MonoDevelop app broken after update cssu |
| 20:25.51 | freemangordon | * Assertion at mini-arm.c:2881, condition `thumb_supported' not met |
| 20:25.57 | freemangordon | ?!? |
| 20:25.59 | merlin1991 | look further down |
| 20:26.14 | merlin1991 | it is an assert within mono that failed because gnomevfs was thumb compiled |
| 20:26.19 | merlin1991 | which was fixed some time ago |
| 20:26.26 | freemangordon | aah, yes |
| 20:26.28 | freemangordon | fixed |
| 20:26.36 | merlin1991 | the original reporter just never stated that it's really fiex |
| 20:26.39 | merlin1991 | *fixed* |
| 20:26.52 | freemangordon | well, close it |
| 20:27.33 | merlin1991 | fixed then |
| 20:27.36 | freemangordon | guys, I am running out of time, will be here for couple of minutes more, sorry :(. |
| 20:27.57 | merlin1991 | okay next bug #12645 |
| 20:27.58 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12645 operator-name-cbs-widget does not display the operator name correctly |
| 20:28.31 | freemangordon | hehe, jonwil promised hell look at that one when he's back from holiday |
| 20:28.31 | merlin1991 | Pali can you look at that? it has a opername.log attached |
| 20:28.37 | merlin1991 | ah okay |
| 20:28.57 | merlin1991 | so jonwils |
| 20:29.02 | merlin1991 | bug #12646 |
| 20:29.03 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12646 libpng: Various vulnerabilites (CVE) |
| 20:29.03 | kerio | huh? that's fixed already |
| 20:29.06 | freemangordon | merlin1991: well, if Pali wants to look at it |
| 20:29.23 | Pali | jonwil already sent me similar |
| 20:29.25 | Pali | bug |
| 20:29.27 | kerio | i'm talking about bug #12645 |
| 20:29.28 | Pali | it is in my mailbox |
| 20:29.58 | freemangordon | merlin1991: well, seems we have to upgrade libpng |
| 20:29.58 | arcean | kerio is right, 12645 is fixed |
| 20:30.58 | freemangordon | arcean: yeah, the new one is with roaming |
| 20:31.15 | freemangordon | afaik |
| 20:31.50 | luf | 12646 - I can take a look if libpng upgrade is ok. |
| 20:32.22 | merlin1991 | perfect |
| 20:33.21 | merlin1991 | luf if possible get the patches out of upstream instead of just upgrading libpng to new upstream |
| 20:33.40 | freemangordon | merlin1991: operator widget is jonwil's child(afaik), I think we should either pester him until it is bugfree, or remove it |
| 20:33.41 | luf | merlin1991: why? |
| 20:33.51 | freemangordon | merlin1991: why? |
| 20:34.18 | luf | It's less time consuming to upgrade than backport some patches. |
| 20:34.35 | luf | ... like libcurl |
| 20:34.37 | merlin1991 | luf: technically you have to test each an every application that uses the lib after upgrading it |
| 20:34.46 | freemangordon | and we really don;t know what patches we need, not to mention the previous libpng bug |
| 20:35.07 | freemangordon | which is fixed by package upgrade |
| 20:35.25 | merlin1991 | hm well we have to check if new libpng is backwards compatible |
| 20:35.47 | luf | Ok. I'll do it. |
| 20:35.56 | merlin1991 | okay luf has it |
| 20:35.58 | freemangordon | merlin1991: sure, but that's why -devel and -testing are |
| 20:36.09 | luf | next one ... |
| 20:36.12 | merlin1991 | bug #12647 |
| 20:36.13 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12647 vte: CVE-2012-2738: DoS |
| 20:36.46 | merlin1991 | I don't know if there exists a fix upstream as of now, anybody want to investigate? |
| 20:36.57 | freemangordon | that one is tricky |
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| 20:37.00 | merlin1991 | ah wait I'm thinking of a different vte bug |
| 20:37.27 | freemangordon | merlin1991: the point is that the package is in extras |
| 20:37.44 | merlin1991 | vte isn#t |
| 20:37.48 | freemangordon | i.e. not CSSU material by definition |
| 20:37.50 | merlin1991 | only openssh is |
| 20:38.42 | merlin1991 | and the bug is not in openssh but in vte |
| 20:39.22 | freemangordon | however, I am out of time. I am semi-offline, otherwise i'll have to look for another GF :) |
| 20:39.44 | merlin1991 | kk I'll rethrow kernel things at you another time :) |
| 20:40.29 | luf | what is GF? |
| 20:40.40 | freemangordon | girlfriend ;) |
| 20:40.41 | merlin1991 | something you have in RL? |
| 20:40.47 | freemangordon | :D:D:D |
| 20:40.58 | luf | Ok, let's change :D |
| 20:41.06 | freemangordon | merlin1991: well, I have mine in a bed :P |
| 20:41.21 | merlin1991 | hopefully still in real life and not some shady computer simulation |
| 20:41.39 | merlin1991 | anyway any takers for vte or does it go onto the task list? |
| 20:41.56 | merlin1991 | task list it is |
| 20:42.11 | merlin1991 | bug # 12648 |
| 20:42.12 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12648 libsoup: CVE-2011-2524: Directory traversal vulnerability to read arbitrary files |
| 20:43.11 | luf | merlin1991: isn't it better to continue next time? |
| 20:43.46 | merlin1991 | actually yeah, I'll just throw one more onto arcean |
| 20:43.53 | merlin1991 | bug #12660 |
| 20:43.54 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12660 Hildon Menu should scale images when are too big to be displayed |
| 20:44.03 | merlin1991 | I think that got fixed in -devel |
| 20:44.05 | arcean | fixed in -devel |
| 20:45.41 | merlin1991 | anybody even available next week, or shall we continue next year? |
| 20:46.53 | arcean | the earliest date is 27th for me |
| 20:47.19 | merlin1991 | I guess you still want your christmas holidays though? :D |
| 20:47.35 | arcean | yeah, that's another thing :D |
| 20:47.52 | luf | I'm ok with 27-th. |
| 20:48.21 | luf | It's thursday but during X-mas ... |
| 20:48.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | xmess |
| 20:48.48 | merlin1991 | 27th is ok for me aswell, but I don't know if you guys don't have other plans for xmess |
| 20:48.49 | arcean | after new year I'm also available |
| 20:49.06 | arcean | xmess :) |
| 20:49.12 | luf | :D |
| 20:50.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | nice backscroll :-) |
| 20:54.06 | merlin1991 | heh the libsoup looks like an easy backport |
| 20:54.22 | merlin1991 | so 27th or not? |
| 20:54.29 | luf | +1 |
| 20:54.42 | luf | we'll see if others can or not. |
| 20:55.14 | merlin1991 | okay |
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| 20:59.54 | kerio | HAIL MERLIN |
| 21:00.02 | merlin1991 | hm / kick or not |
| 21:00.04 | kerio | or maybe heil |
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| 21:00.30 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what's happening to your server, btw? |
| 21:04.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: tilt |
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| 22:54.55 | luf | anyone want to test new libpng before I upload it to cssu-devel? |
| 22:55.18 | luf | merlin1991: ping |
| 22:55.30 | merlin1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.41 | luf | merlin1991: do you want to create git cssu repo for the new upstream source? |
| 23:00.56 | merlin1991 | we should have a libpng repo already |
| 23:02.14 | luf | Ok, I'll check. |
| 23:03.04 | luf | Nothing like that. |
| 23:13.40 | luf | merlin1991: please create one or point me to the existing one as I can't see it. |
| 23:26.55 | luf | merlin1991: ping |
| 23:28.03 | luf | merlin1991: I made a mistake in uploading to cssu-devel. Can you take a look? |
| 23:28.23 | luf | Thanks. |
| 23:28.34 | merlin1991 | let me have a look |
| 23:29.22 | merlin1991 | did you upload twice the same version but from a different build? |
| 23:29.27 | luf | I uploaded _source.changes :( |
| 23:29.31 | luf | Yes |
| 23:29.46 | merlin1991 | that doesn#t work |
| 23:30.08 | merlin1991 | let me fix that :) |
| 23:30.14 | luf | Thanks. |
| 23:31.09 | merlin1991 | new set is imported |
| 23:31.14 | merlin1991 | do you have a git repo locally? |
| 23:31.21 | merlin1991 | I'll do the gitorious one tomorrow |
| 23:31.21 | luf | No. |
| 23:31.44 | luf | I used package from maemo and new one from debian wheezy. |
| 23:32.31 | luf | Ok. Thanks. I'll upload it tomorrow on the day after tomorrow. |
| 23:36.28 | luf | merlin1991: I think you can update the notice for the bug ;) |