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| 06:50.27 | Apic | A wonderful Pentecost (UGT) to You all! |
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| 09:35.03 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1428683&postcount=13 |
| 09:37.13 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: should be |
| 09:37.49 | freemangordon | now it only remains someone to convince chem|st and merlin1991 to start issuing updates again :) |
| 09:38.40 | sixwheeledbeast | I couldn't find patches for some, as you can see. |
| 09:49.25 | sixwheeledbeast | http://upstream-tracker.org/versions/openssl.html looking at this o to p is an issue as you say after that 100% compatibility to x |
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| 15:29.46 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: what is there in the pipeline currently ? |
| 15:30.02 | merlin1991 | is atm booting his various n900 trying to find the one with cssu-testing on it |
| 15:34.10 | merlin1991 | heh, I found the one that has plain maemo pr 1.3.1 on it |
| 15:35.08 | FIQ | you should label them :D |
| 15:38.00 | sixwheeledbeast | :) that would make sense. I can distinguish mine from how battered the screen protectors are. :D |
| 15:43.49 | merlin1991 | yep that works for mine aswell |
| 15:44.08 | merlin1991 | only after a few months I had forgotten which one had the good semi good and totally broken screen :D |
| 15:54.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation |
| 15:55.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops ECHAN |
| 15:56.18 | merlin1991 | damn, I gotta fix the device that is in parts currently, that's the one I'm looking for xD |
| 16:03.21 | merlin1991 | hm reflash time |
| 16:03.27 | merlin1991 | lets see where I have all the files |
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| 16:16.42 | freemangordon | merlin1991: iirc most of the stuff that's in -devel is ready for primetime |
| 16:17.22 | freemangordon | merlin1991: but we need -stable as well |
| 16:17.29 | freemangordon | new update that is |
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| 17:47.36 | kerio | am i a bad enough dude to upgrade to the -devel stuff? |
| 17:52.43 | kerio | mh, i don't want to lose the speed from the -thumb packages :( |
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| 18:05.10 | sixwheeledbeast | I guess you mean the new non-thumb telepathy-gabble |
| 18:31.11 | kerio | yeah |
| 18:31.13 | kerio | other stuff too |
| 18:31.15 | kerio | like hildon-desktop |
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| 19:00.07 | FIQ | is there a devel changelog somewhere? |
| 19:03.09 | sixwheeledbeast | FIQ: only what's posted on TMO AFAIK |
| 19:03.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-devel is deprecated, it's not meant to get used for updates. Stuff on cssu-devel is broken by definition, otherwise it would be on -devel but on -testing or even -stable |
| 19:03.42 | sixwheeledbeast | the docbot strikes again ;) |
| 19:03.48 | sixwheeledbeast | ~cssu-devel |
| 19:03.48 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, cssu-devel is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84292, or extremely deprecated for any non-developer |
| 19:04.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | it would NOT be on -devel |
| 19:05.04 | sixwheeledbeast | agreed, it's not the sort of thing that needs changelogs |
| 19:05.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 19:05.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | devel is strictly a sandbox for devels to test packaging, and only packaging |
| 19:05.50 | sixwheeledbeast | purely an easy way for CSSU devs to test packages |
| 19:06.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's NOT the pre-testing |
| 19:06.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka cssu-testing-testing |
| 19:06.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | stuff IS broken there |
| 19:07.01 | Apic | http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/super-computer-passes-turing-test-in-uk/story-e6frfkui-1226947759554 |
| 19:07.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I did ages ago ;-P |
| 19:09.35 | sixwheeledbeast | :D |
| 19:16.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | people talk to Eliza since ~30 years, *despite* they know it's a "bot" |
| 19:17.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 19:18.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I always found it tedious to talk to humans who couldn't pass turing test themselves |
| 19:18.10 | merlin1991 | FIQ: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/changes.log |
| 19:19.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: as good as it gets, for -devel |
| 19:19.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 19:24.17 | merlin1991 | sort of :) |
| 19:24.41 | merlin1991 | well if you compare that with the debian/changelog files on cssu gitorious you get some sort of changelog :D |
| 19:30.06 | Apic | http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/super-computer-passes-turing-test-in-uk/story-e6frfkui-1226947759554 |
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| 19:44.00 | FIQ | thanks merlin1991 |
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| 21:46.19 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: cssu-devel *IS* testing-testing |
| 21:46.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you think so |
| 21:47.03 | freemangordon | it is not broken by definition, just not for ordinary users. whatever it means these days (ordinary users) |
| 21:47.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | definition of -devel been "for packaging testing" |
| 21:47.51 | freemangordon | honestly, noone uploads stuff in -devel if it is not aimed for -testing |
| 21:47.53 | freemangordon | exactly |
| 21:48.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOT supposed to ever provide packages to users |
| 21:48.12 | freemangordon | yep |
| 21:48.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | only to peer devels maybe who want to fix bugs and cooperate on development |
| 21:48.32 | freemangordon | the point is that stuff here is not "broken by definition" |
| 21:48.45 | freemangordon | aah, no, not only devels |
| 21:48.57 | freemangordon | testers are welcome too |
| 21:48.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course, since as soon as it's not, it's supposed to not be on -devel |
| 21:49.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | we by ALL MEANS need to avoid creating yet another extras-devel mess |
| 21:49.49 | freemangordon | see, if we were/are 10 devels, then it would have been for devels only |
| 21:49.56 | freemangordon | but we are not |
| 21:50.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I promise you I will do my best to make that never ever happen |
| 21:50.14 | freemangordon | but yeah, I guess we talk for one and the same thing |
| 21:50.27 | freemangordon | just with a different wording |
| 21:51.15 | freemangordon | BTW I have to make a statement :) |
| 21:51.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | though actually I stopped bothering a few months ago, I can't take care about CSSU anymore |
| 21:52.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I guess I can't take care about maemo anymore |
| 21:52.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | too much hostility and too much other stuff on my plate |
| 21:53.19 | freemangordon | I will *NOT* write a single line of code or backport a patch or whatever in CSSU until I see there are active maintainers who actually give a shit to release updates |
| 21:53.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm out |
| 21:56.22 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: I see what you meant earlier now. |
| 22:00.23 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: I am really sorry I have to make that statement, but honestly, what is the point of pushing stuff in -devel which never sees the light of the day. |
| 22:01.59 | sixwheeledbeast | I agree, I wouldn't like you to see to waste your time either. We all have lots to do. |
| 22:02.13 | FIQ | uhhuh |
| 22:17.15 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: it is not about if I have something todo or not. It is about that I want to see what I do reaching the lusers |
| 22:18.26 | okias | hmm, it would be great if maemo got living ecosystem |
| 22:18.45 | freemangordon | pukes |
| 22:18.52 | freemangordon | ecosystem ?!? |
| 22:19.41 | okias | yes (I hope it's correct term) |
| 22:20.51 | freemangordon | sure it is, but it still makes me wanna puke |
| 22:21.17 | okias | I don't get it |
| 22:22.11 | dos1 | well, there's probably a nice ecosystem of microorganisms in puke |
| 22:22.38 | okias | :D |
| 22:23.18 | freemangordon | okias: "ecosystem" is what large corprs use as a term to describe the "vendor lock in" |
| 22:23.28 | freemangordon | aiui |
| 22:23.56 | okias | I mean it in way "living people around it, new apps, new development" |
| 22:24.35 | okias | not like "some kind of maintanance mode 4ever" |
| 22:24.49 | FIQ | lol dos1 |
| 22:37.50 | kerio | freemangordon: i'm a luser, and i use -devel! |
| 22:41.32 | freemangordon | kerio: so you are the one |
| 22:41.43 | freemangordon | the luser one :) |
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| 23:53.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Please keep the Maemo community up and running and continue to release software updates for the N900 via the CSSU. This also goes for porting Maemo/Hildon to the neo900 project! Thank you for all your hard work!<< |
| 23:55.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | first donation to my Paypal this year iirc. 10USD which I have no scruple to spend for recreational purposes now |
| 23:55.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 23:55.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | many thanks to the donor! |
| 23:56.29 | RST38h | Doc: Switching to Android? =) |
| 23:57.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | (those of you who already search for the torch and pitchfork: I will book it against the expense for the scratchbox.org domain for this year, which i had to pay despite I asked HiFo to take over) |
| 23:57.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: hm?? |