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| 08:26.09 | josch | hi, what is currently the most common way to compile and test packages for cssu? scratchbox? native compilation on the n900? |
| 08:26.37 | josch | i have a hard time finding a wiki article which seems up-to-date |
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| 10:34.10 | josch | from what I read here http://developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Maemo_5_SDK_installation_for_beginners and in some other sources, scratchbox seems to be the preferred option. Unfortunately the required instructions are quite intrusive in my host system and are not packaged as Debian packages which is unfortunate |
| 10:34.37 | josch | this source http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk_installation offers packages but not for amd64 which is a quite dirty option as well |
| 10:35.10 | josch | since i do not want to mess up my host system this http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Images seems to be a good option for me - is anybody using that? The download link given on that site seems to be dead? |
| 10:35.22 | josch | what is its relationship to http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/ ? |
| 10:35.24 | luf | I'm using that |
| 10:35.49 | josch | currently i think i have trouble with judging which resources are authoritative for current cssu development |
| 10:35.51 | luf | But you need to fix thumb problem. I forget the link for it. |
| 10:36.18 | josch | what is the "thumb problem"? i thought the default is no thumb? |
| 10:36.35 | luf | Yes but in the virtual image the thumb is enabled :( |
| 10:37.16 | luf | So you need to disable it for pure CSSU |
| 10:37.26 | josch | ah okay |
| 10:38.23 | josch | luf: where did you download the virtual machine from? |
| 10:48.41 | luf | josh: I don't remember. But it was somewhere on maemo pages. |
| 10:48.45 | luf | ~SDK |
| 10:48.45 | infobot | well, sdk is http://privatepaste.com/e4a5b13fad or "wget http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.txt" |
| 11:01.57 | josch | yeah I found the links mentioned in the pastebin as well but they are 404 |
| 11:02.15 | josch | and so is the second link |
| 11:02.26 | josch | so i'm at a loss how to retrieve it :/ |
| 11:03.30 | josch | I also get 404 for other locations like http://repository.maemo.org/unstable/5.0beta2/maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0beta2.sh which is mentioned in other maemo.org pages |
| 11:03.56 | luf | merlin1991 maybe mirror it somewhere. I downloaded it few years ago and it was working as Nokia supported it :( |
| 11:04.02 | josch | and even the links here: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition are 404 |
| 11:04.57 | josch | well if the download links to the sdk itself were working then I could easily create my own virtual machine :) |
| 11:05.13 | josch | well maybe not "easily" because it would be my first time doing it but I assume things are sufficiently documented |
| 11:06.26 | luf | josch: I'm sorry I don't have clean SDK virutal. Let's wait if someone else can help. |
| 11:06.44 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: ping |
| 11:06.50 | luf | merlin1991: ping |
| 11:07.15 | luf | DocScrutinizer05, merlin1991: are you able to help? ^^^ |
| 11:08.26 | josch | luf: thank you :) |
| 11:13.35 | luf | josch: it seems mister google helps with some memories |
| 11:14.31 | luf | josch: I sent you privately the link for skeiron mirror. |
| 11:21.55 | luf | freemangordon: I'm still here around but usually during days ... |
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| 11:51.59 | josch | private link because the license of the nokia binaries forbid redistribution by unauthorized 3rd parties? |
| 11:52.06 | josch | which google search terms did you use? |
| 12:10.11 | josch | alright, read the LICENSE file and answered my question myself :) |
| 12:10.19 | josch | shame that |
| 12:27.20 | merlin1991 | luf: pong |
| 12:28.01 | merlin1991 | josch: freemangordon uses the virtual images |
| 12:28.26 | josch | okay, then I shall see how to work with them myself as well |
| 12:28.49 | merlin1991 | I've set up a local scratchbox like http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation though with a few changes |
| 12:29.09 | merlin1991 | mostly using a newer scratchbox release to get x64 debian pacakges |
| 12:30.25 | luf | josch: It wasn't so easy to find it via google ;) |
| 12:30.32 | josch | luf: kk :) |
| 12:30.40 | merlin1991 | the fix for thumb is on the mailing list |
| 12:30.46 | josch | x64? you mean mad64? |
| 12:31.02 | josch | *amd64 |
| 12:31.20 | merlin1991 | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/everybody_please_fix_bug_in_your_scratchbox_installation/ |
| 12:32.00 | merlin1991 | josch: yeah x64 aka 86_64 aka amd64 aka I actually don't know how intel calls it |
| 12:32.38 | josch | merlin1991: thanks for that link! |
| 12:34.20 | josch | these short handles can become quite messy - even more so because of x32 in linux which is not the x32 for windows :) |
| 12:35.04 | merlin1991 | well and there is IA64 on intel aswell |
| 12:35.15 | josch | luf, merlin1991: thanks a lot, I retrieved the Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z and will check it out once I'm back home :) |
| 12:35.47 | josch | that and with upcoming arm64 aka aarch64 - it's definitely not enough anymore to say "64 bit" :) |
| 12:36.18 | merlin1991 | btw what do you want to build test on the cssu side? |
| 12:37.32 | josch | i dont (yet) want to do something specifically with cssu packages but I thought you guys would know best how to compile/test packages which are meant to run on a cssu testing system |
| 12:38.00 | josch | i wanted to start with scratching some itches I have with packages on my n900 right now, the tamedate applet and the fahrplan application to be more precise |
| 12:38.40 | josch | back in openmoko days I did lots of cross compiling and creation of debian rootfs etc but maemo development is quite different :) |
| 12:39.06 | josch | for example my openmoko phone would run vanilla debian so development would be a bit different |
| 12:39.56 | josch | and further down the road I want to make the neo900 work |
| 13:55.04 | merlin1991 | yeah when it gets out I'll roll my own |
| 13:55.11 | merlin1991 | probably won't get past a cli interface |
| 13:55.19 | merlin1991 | but hey I can do phone calls from vim then :D |
| 14:18.23 | josch | since it's gta04 based it will have Xorg |
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| 14:58.28 | josch | what do you guys think about the possibility of rebasing fremantle on top of Debian stable? |
| 14:59.07 | josch | is it a bad idea because it likely breaks compatibility with PR 1.3? |
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| 18:38.09 | freemangordon | is no longer using VMWare SDK image as he has linux on his desktop :) |
| 18:38.52 | freemangordon | ~flashing |
| 18:38.53 | infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 18:47.04 | josch | yeah but even as a year long linux user I would not touch the SDK because its packaging seems very fishy and I dont want to mess up my system |
| 18:53.40 | freemangordon | josch: well, I am 2 weeks long linux user :D |
| 18:54.08 | freemangordon | but vmware image makes sense |
| 18:54.59 | josch | as a n900 user you have probably been using for a bit longer ;) |
| 18:55.08 | josch | +linux |
| 18:56.19 | freemangordon | josch: yeah, but I switched my desktop from WinXP 2 weeks ago |
| 18:56.52 | josch | what is it that kept you with windows for that long if I may ask? |
| 18:58.37 | freemangordon | I had a problem with the combination of my old MoBo/Redeon GPU |
| 18:58.40 | freemangordon | *Radeon |
| 18:58.57 | freemangordon | MoBo was a strange beast with both PCIe and AGP on it |
| 18:59.25 | freemangordon | and AMD proprietary drivers didn;t work on that |
| 18:59.32 | josch | oh, sad to hear :( |
| 19:00.11 | freemangordon | not to say that I was growing up this XP from since it was a little 95 :D |
| 19:00.18 | freemangordon | piles of SW on it |
| 19:00.29 | josch | wow :D |
| 19:00.55 | freemangordon | finally I gave up when I had 3 reboots out of the blue for an hour |
| 19:01.07 | freemangordon | and bought new mobo/gpu/etc |
| 19:01.27 | freemangordon | but I still keep my XP under VMWare |
| 19:01.49 | freemangordon | thats more than 15 years, can't wipe it like that |
| 19:02.29 | josch | it's amazing it lasted that long |
| 19:02.36 | josch | seems you took good care of it :) |
| 19:03.20 | freemangordon | I didn't have much of a choice, linux is in some kind of usable shape for how long? 2 -3 years? |
| 19:04.22 | josch | probably |
| 19:04.34 | josch | still lots of hackery needed if you happen to use nvidia hardware or the like |
| 19:04.48 | freemangordon | you mean GPU? |
| 19:04.51 | josch | yes |
| 19:05.05 | josch | nvidia is one of the most uncooperative companies toward linux |
| 19:05.11 | josch | amd is becoming friendlier |
| 19:05.14 | freemangordon | hmm, actually it was amazingly easy |
| 19:05.41 | josch | i'm no gamer (at least i dont play recent 3d heavy games) so i've always picke intel gfx for my systems because i knew they would have the most complete support |
| 19:05.45 | freemangordon | It was my fault I install ubuntu without GPU card in, with the onboard adapter enabled |
| 19:05.51 | josch | but it's a shame that I have to make my choice like this |
| 19:06.31 | freemangordon | josch: really, installing (and tunning) nvidia binary driver was very easy |
| 19:06.42 | josch | yes, not saying it's not |
| 19:06.46 | josch | we are talking about different things |
| 19:07.02 | freemangordon | could be |
| 19:07.07 | freemangordon | I am not gamer either |
| 19:07.14 | freemangordon | but I need dual-monitor |
| 19:07.56 | josch | for example nvidia optimus has been a major pita most of the time as in: not working at all |
| 19:08.07 | josch | but nvidia refuses to let go of the proprietary nature of their drivers |
| 19:08.32 | freemangordon | and unfortunately it turned out that the build-in intel GPU supports dual-monitor in mirror mode only |
| 19:09.06 | josch | and nvidias behaviour in that area let to instances like: http://youtu.be/IVpOyKCNZYw |
| 19:09.16 | freemangordon | josch: a month or so ago they promised to open most of their internals to the FOSS driver developers |
| 19:09.26 | josch | freemangordon: yes i read that too |
| 19:09.35 | josch | apparently as a reaction to steamos and steam boxes |
| 19:09.38 | freemangordon | that is a good step I guess |
| 19:09.45 | josch | yes :) |
| 19:09.57 | freemangordon | yeah, helf-life FTW :D |
| 19:10.03 | freemangordon | *half-life |
| 19:10.07 | josch | \o/ |
| 19:10.32 | freemangordon | BTW I am really surprised valve took that "linux" step |
| 19:10.41 | freemangordon | but it is great IMO |
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| 19:11.24 | josch | what i'm most surprised of is, how well they managed to play together with the open source community |
| 19:11.40 | freemangordon | and for sure i'll buy hl3 when it come out :D |
| 19:11.42 | josch | i mean: a company whose business is based on a proprietary piece of software for selling proprietary games |
| 19:11.44 | freemangordon | if! |
| 19:11.49 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 19:11.54 | josch | i was not expecting that they were handling all that open source business so well |
| 19:12.09 | josch | it is easy to retrieve and look at all the patches they made to debian wheezy |
| 19:12.38 | freemangordon | maybe they see the future the same way we see it |
| 19:12.38 | josch | and games are probably the only proprietary piece of software i can tolerate on my machine :) |
| 19:13.02 | freemangordon | windoze gone in some 5-7 years |
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| 19:13.22 | josch | well i'm certain they have their own intrests in mind but i'm happy if they see that achieving those can be done by playing fair with open source guys |
| 19:13.32 | freemangordon | yep |
| 19:13.41 | freemangordon | it is not bad to make profit |
| 19:15.02 | freemangordon | josch: how're you with kernel hacking? |
| 19:15.11 | josch | certainly nobody will stop you if you find a way to make profit with open source software and valve seems to have found a way to make money based on a mix of oss and proprietary software |
| 19:15.31 | josch | freemangordon: i never did any major kernel hacks |
| 19:15.48 | josch | i sometimes bisected some issues |
| 19:16.01 | freemangordon | we need to find someone who can fight and win the rx51 asoc driver :( |
| 19:16.01 | josch | and fixed them through various hacks |
| 19:16.07 | josch | ah :) |
| 19:16.13 | josch | no i'm not the guy to write a kernel driver |
| 19:16.23 | freemangordon | it is there |
| 19:16.33 | josch | i'm the guy who likes to build on top of an existing and working kernel |
| 19:16.41 | freemangordon | but I can't make earphones work |
| 19:16.46 | josch | :( |
| 19:16.47 | freemangordon | no mather what I did |
| 19:17.12 | josch | you are talking about rebasing the driver on a more recent kernel? |
| 19:17.22 | freemangordon | it is upstreamed |
| 19:17.26 | josch | ah |
| 19:17.34 | freemangordon | but the audio routing is incomplete |
| 19:17.57 | freemangordon | and I just couldn't find a way to make it 100% working |
| 19:18.02 | josch | :/ |
| 19:18.06 | freemangordon | speakers and headphones work |
| 19:18.15 | josch | no i dont think i would have enough knowledge/time to fix an issue like this :/ |
| 19:18.19 | josch | sadly |
| 19:18.26 | josch | too little time :( |
| 19:18.28 | freemangordon | but not the earpiece and I didn't dare to try the mic :D |
| 19:18.50 | freemangordon | anyway |
| 19:19.06 | josch | is there a version that works? |
| 19:19.33 | freemangordon | maybe in meego kernel |
| 19:19.56 | freemangordon | but iirc it is a forward-ported omap1 driver |
| 19:20.11 | josch | hm |
| 19:20.12 | freemangordon | which doesn't help much |
| 19:20.30 | josch | if things were a bit different i would probably just bisect my way through ;) |
| 19:20.45 | josch | but that's just because i lack enough understanding to look at the right pieces in the first place ^^ |
| 19:21.07 | freemangordon | unfortunately it is not a matter of bisect, I'd already done it if it was |
| 19:21.20 | josch | surely |
| 19:21.33 | josch | so, sorry i can't be of help |
| 19:21.37 | freemangordon | np |
| 19:21.42 | josch | i'm mainly interested in running debian on n900/neo900 |
| 19:21.50 | josch | i had it working three years ago |
| 19:22.17 | freemangordon | aiui it should be possible to do it right now with the tree me and pali maintain |
| 19:22.20 | josch | but didnt have a n900 to play with since then |
| 19:22.27 | josch | only got one again when i read about the neo900 project |
| 19:22.40 | freemangordon | even maemo boots with that :) |
| 19:22.46 | josch | possible to do what? |
| 19:22.52 | freemangordon | boot debian |
| 19:22.57 | josch | probably |
| 19:23.05 | josch | but that would just be a handheld then :) |
| 19:23.09 | freemangordon | if it boots with 3.13-rcX kernels |
| 19:23.15 | josch | the fun would be to somehow get fremantle on top |
| 19:23.27 | freemangordon | *we have that* |
| 19:23.34 | freemangordon | only cameras doesn;t work |
| 19:23.41 | freemangordon | and audio |
| 19:23.46 | freemangordon | partially works |
| 19:23.52 | josch | i have 3.13 running on my laptop right now - freshly compiled two days ago ^^ |
| 19:23.57 | freemangordon | oh, on top of debian? |
| 19:24.05 | josch | you mean under debian |
| 19:24.16 | freemangordon | I mean under 3.13-rc7 |
| 19:24.34 | josch | no, the released one 3.13 |
| 19:24.39 | josch | it was released 2 days ago |
| 19:25.22 | josch | i have a cardreader in my laptop which does not work and never did so from time to time i rebuild recent linux upstream to see if things changed |
| 19:25.37 | josch | but since i have a pcmcia cardreader i'm too lazy to look into why it does not work |
| 19:26.16 | josch | oh we were talking about different things XD |
| 19:26.19 | josch | never mind :) |
| 19:26.40 | josch | i'm not so much interested in investing time to make a more recent upstream kernel work with n900 |
| 19:26.44 | freemangordon | there is not much of a difference between rc7 and the release |
| 19:26.47 | josch | because of the premise of neo900 |
| 19:27.15 | freemangordon | they wouldn;t be that much different |
| 19:27.19 | freemangordon | if at all |
| 19:27.24 | josch | yes, but i think you were talking about running 3.13 on the n900 and i was talking about running it on my laptop |
| 19:27.31 | freemangordon | oh :) |
| 19:27.41 | josch | yeah, that's why i said we were talking about differen things ;) |
| 19:28.03 | freemangordon | ok, to make it clear - meamo boots on n900 on top of 3.13-rc7 |
| 19:28.14 | josch | that's hreat |
| 19:28.18 | freemangordon | and is actually usable |
| 19:28.31 | josch | i read about the topic here: http://elinux.org/N900 |
| 19:28.45 | josch | like a month or so ago |
| 19:28.49 | freemangordon | I am not sure it is up to date |
| 19:28.55 | josch | ah kk |
| 19:29.05 | josch | i didnt give it a try because i saw so many red fields |
| 19:29.37 | freemangordon | I made a couple of patches recently, one of them allowing video up to 720p resolution. for example |
| 19:29.47 | josch | sweet! |
| 19:29.54 | freemangordon | not smooth ofc |
| 19:29.56 | Ashley` | <josch> it was released 2 days ago |
| 19:29.58 | Ashley` | oh |
| 19:30.01 | freemangordon | but possible |
| 19:30.11 | Ashley` | I need to do pacman -Syu |
| 19:30.31 | josch | freemangordon: what's currently the biggest blocker? the rx51? |
| 19:30.39 | freemangordon | blocker? |
| 19:30.48 | freemangordon | maybe DT |
| 19:30.59 | josch | well, "blocker" is subjective :) |
| 19:31.13 | josch | in your opinion: what is the biggest missing feature right now? |
| 19:31.21 | freemangordon | audio |
| 19:31.37 | josch | right |
| 19:31.42 | josch | quite the bummer indeed |
| 19:31.52 | josch | for a phone :D |
| 19:31.52 | freemangordon | BTW CMT works |
| 19:32.17 | josch | nice, that's also still marked red in that table in the wiki |
| 19:32.33 | freemangordon | josch: oh, power management is missing |
| 19:32.55 | freemangordon | maybe that is the biggest show-stopper |
| 19:33.02 | josch | freemangordon: who's working on it right now besides yourself? |
| 19:33.16 | josch | yeah, depends what you want to do with the device |
| 19:33.24 | freemangordon | pali, pavel and sre |
| 19:33.28 | josch | lots of time it's attached to my bike which charges it, so that would be less of an issue |
| 19:33.52 | freemangordon | that is the kernel side |
| 19:33.54 | josch | sre is Sebastian Reichel? |
| 19:34.00 | freemangordon | yepo |
| 19:34.06 | josch | i was using his instructions to get debian working back in the days |
| 19:34.31 | freemangordon | he did/is doing great upstreaming job for the last couple of months |
| 19:34.57 | josch | as i said, my main area of interest is getting fremantle bits working on top of debian but the most close thing i saw wrt that is: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1399214 |
| 19:35.01 | freemangordon | and we expect lots of n900 stuff to be in 3.14 |
| 19:35.18 | josch | which does it the other way round and adds debian bits to an existing fremantle instead of starting with debian and adding fremantle bits |
| 19:36.42 | freemangordon | see, I really respect aapo's work and himself, but I really don;t like his approach - the "one man show" approach is simply not applicable here IMO |
| 19:36.42 | josch | i'm very excited about having more upstream support for n900 |
| 19:36.49 | josch | even more so because it's not the most recent hardware |
| 19:37.04 | josch | freemangordon: what do you think of the idea itself? |
| 19:37.16 | freemangordon | yeah, but it is still the only one. unfortunately :( |
| 19:37.17 | josch | from a technical perspective |
| 19:37.32 | freemangordon | we'll lose too much functionality |
| 19:37.38 | josch | for what reason? |
| 19:37.42 | freemangordon | keep PA in mind |
| 19:37.50 | josch | pa = pulseaudio? |
| 19:37.54 | freemangordon | there are closed source Nokia PA plugins |
| 19:37.59 | freemangordon | yes |
| 19:38.18 | josch | yes, but there then the blobs just have to be put into vanilla debian |
| 19:38.22 | freemangordon | all the telephony gous through that - noise cancelation, etc |
| 19:38.32 | freemangordon | goes |
| 19:38.38 | josch | i'm not saying that everything has to be open source because certainly some proprietary bits are sadly still required |
| 19:38.39 | freemangordon | you can't simply do that AFAIK |
| 19:38.51 | freemangordon | because maemo PA is v15 or 16 |
| 19:39.02 | josch | and that does not work with more recent libraries? |
| 19:39.07 | freemangordon | and I am not sure there is ABI compatibility between version |
| 19:39.19 | freemangordon | iirc skry tried that and failed |
| 19:39.33 | josch | then maybe that pulseaudio daemon could just be chrooted together with the library versions it needs |
| 19:39.38 | freemangordon | but I simply don;t know as I've never tried |
| 19:39.43 | freemangordon | it |
| 19:39.54 | freemangordon | and there we hit the 256MB RAM :P |
| 19:40.16 | josch | that would of course be hackerish but it would make it clear that 95% of the system are free and here are the other 5% in /usr/local which are not |
| 19:40.29 | josch | right, multiple libraries are a bad thing... :/ |
| 19:40.33 | josch | meh |
| 19:41.02 | josch | okay apart from pulseaudio - is there another obviously problematic bit? |
| 19:41.40 | josch | which would probably not be possible to run on a more recent rootfs |
| 19:41.54 | freemangordon | see: |
| 19:42.02 | freemangordon | ~fptf |
| 19:42.02 | infobot | i guess fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
| 19:42.11 | freemangordon | jonwil did a great job there |
| 19:42.14 | josch | ah okay |
| 19:42.23 | josch | okay, i'll keep that open in a tab |
| 19:42.52 | josch | hmhm |
| 19:43.43 | josch | yeah this post by jonwil is gold |
| 19:44.35 | freemangordon | wait until you see the wiki page :) |
| 19:44.49 | josch | it's sad that some proprietary bits are quite important. They require to use a rootfs from five years ago :/ |
| 19:45.09 | freemangordon | some of the closed packages there are no more |
| 19:45.10 | josch | wow just saw it - amazing :) |
| 19:45.32 | freemangordon | like fmtx-middleware, osso-product-info and some more |
| 19:45.53 | freemangordon | but still there is a huge pile remaining |
| 19:46.04 | freemangordon | not that all of them are really needed |
| 19:47.46 | josch | okay i'll have to go to a friend now picking up something |
| 19:48.03 | josch | thanks for all the information! :) |
| 19:48.42 | freemangordon | np |
| 19:52.33 | FIQ | oh |
| 19:52.46 | FIQ | found a reproducible bug in the conversation app thing |
| 19:52.51 | FIQ | by accident |
| 19:53.15 | FIQ | is there a bugtracker for this somewhere? |
| 19:53.41 | freemangordon | bmo? |
| 19:53.52 | FIQ | ok |
| 19:54.55 | FIQ | is the sources to maemo's version of dpkg available for contribution somewhere? |
| 19:55.52 | FIQ | "Reports about Harmattan bugs should be posted at harmattan-bugs.nokia.com" this link is dead fyi |
| 19:56.07 | FIQ | @ bugs.maemo.org page |
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| 20:04.05 | freemangordon | FIQ: dpkg sources should be available in repos :) |
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| 20:24.14 | FIQ | because there seems to be a bug in apt that makes it fail to grab translations properly - there *is* one existing, but somehow it isn't used at all EXCEPT for confirmations (which lead to another frustration regarding things like "[Y/n] y" aborting and stuff like that, but this would be solved by definition if the main issue was) |
| 20:24.21 | FIQ | not sure what causes this |
| 20:28.25 | FIQ | hmm |
| 20:28.36 | FIQ | let's see if this does stuff |
| 20:37.30 | FIQ | hm, perhaps the locales are simply not included, because the unusual case of sv needing extras to work (sv_SE), which could very well be the case given that it's *not* with this in the PO translation directory, but I tried with one which had the correct one set, and it still didn't work |
| 20:38.54 | FIQ | but then this confirmation weirdness still need to be fixed.. allthough not sure what actually causes this |
| 20:40.24 | freemangordon | FIQ: you are not supposed to use apt/dpkg :P , use HAM instead |
| 20:41.31 | FIQ | freemangordon: but... it takes years to do stuff D: |
| 20:41.45 | freemangordon | FIQ: install the one from cssu-devel |
| 20:41.50 | FIQ | and afaik it's safe for just installing non-core packages |
| 20:42.08 | FIQ | "the one" HAM or apt? |
| 20:42.17 | freemangordon | ham |
| 20:42.21 | FIQ | is it faster? |
| 20:42.33 | freemangordon | you'll see |
| 20:42.38 | freemangordon | ;) |
| 20:43.43 | FIQ | even if a fixed HAM would be great, it's still convenient IMO to use apt for stuff, is there any particular reason for why this is discouraged in first place? |
| 20:44.23 | FIQ | because if it is, there should be some kind of warning issued if you try, shouldn't there? |
| 20:44.30 | freemangordon | a couple of, wouldn't elaborate though |
| 20:44.46 | freemangordon | no, why warning? |
| 20:45.02 | FIQ | to make people aware that apt is discouraged? |
| 20:45.10 | freemangordon | you take all the responsibility by gaining root access to the device, ain't? |
| 20:45.33 | FIQ | hm |
| 20:45.48 | FIQ | yes |
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| 20:46.23 | freemangordon | you can rm -fr / as well, do you need warning for that. and for the other 1000 ways you can ruin your rootfs? I don;t think so |
| 20:46.24 | FIQ | but I'm pretty sure several people are using apt without realizing that it's in fact discouraged, for the same reason as I do (i.e. convenience) |
| 20:46.33 | FIQ | freemangordon: I get your point |
| 20:46.43 | freemangordon | I hope that speedyHAM will change that |
| 20:46.51 | FIQ | but rm -fr(/-rf) / is plain stupid |
| 20:47.03 | FIQ | using apt might not be as obviously stupid :p |
| 20:47.07 | FIQ | oh well |
| 20:47.12 | FIQ | I see where you're going so mehh |
| 20:47.17 | freemangordon | :) |
| 20:47.34 | hbib1 | is there already a testing package of speedyHAM? i would be ineterested ... |
| 20:47.43 | freemangordon | yes, in cssu-devel |
| 20:48.09 | freemangordon | but you have to apt-get install/dpkg -i it :P |
| 20:48.18 | Ashley` | (/me still use apt-get, but I've backups etc-etc :P) |
| 20:48.26 | Ashley` | (and /me thinks apt-get is slow) |
| 20:48.31 | hbib1 | ah that makes sense :) |
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| 20:48.57 | Ashley` | (so, even if HAM would be as fast as apt, it still would be slow for me xP) |
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| 20:49.13 | FIQ | doesn't find apt slow |
| 20:49.19 | freemangordon | hbib1: but if you don't know what cssu-devel is, better stay away |
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| 20:49.31 | FIQ | (and in the cases where it is, it's just because my connection happen to suck at that moment) |
| 20:49.46 | freemangordon | FIQ: it is (was) slow to the point of not being usable at all |
| 20:50.21 | hbib1 | freemangordon: I know what it is :) I just missed the info that there is the developping of a ham-replacement |
| 20:50.54 | Ashley` | freemangordon, apt, not ham |
| 20:51.03 | freemangordon | hbib1: it is not replacement, just optimization |
| 20:52.17 | freemangordon | just for a reference - I was able to speed up one of the most time-consuming tasks from ~140s to ~6sec, wall time |
| 20:52.36 | freemangordon | device OC to 805 |
| 20:54.30 | FIQ | needless to say, HAM was not that optimized, if you managed to pull off a 95% reduction in time of certain things... |
| 20:55.11 | freemangordon | sure |
| 20:55.27 | freemangordon | it was not optimized at all IMO |
| 21:00.32 | FIQ | exactly |
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