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| 18:29.25 | peterbjornx | didnt know this channel existed |
| 18:29.55 | freemangordon | peterbjornx: seems you're a bit new here? :) ok, will make a short introduction |
| 18:30.46 | freemangordon | ok, this is the "maemo core developers" channel, stuff like community updates, upstream kernal and maemo, etc is duscussed here |
| 18:31.18 | freemangordon | merlin1991 is the "boss" :P, or rather cssu-testing maintainer |
| 18:31.27 | freemangordon | chem|st is the maintainer of cssu-stable |
| 18:31.32 | peterbjornx | not new, just been out of the loop for about a year and a half |
| 18:31.38 | freemangordon | hmm, ok |
| 18:31.47 | freemangordon | the you should know what cssu is, right? |
| 18:31.51 | freemangordon | *then |
| 18:32.02 | peterbjornx | yeah, the community run update channel for the n900 |
| 18:32.08 | freemangordon | yep |
| 18:33.02 | freemangordon | ok, neo900 a kind of extended its purpose, general speaking we aim to bring whatever possible in cssu to make fremantle compatible with upstream kernel |
| 18:33.18 | freemangordon | without breaking the user experiance on n900 ofc |
| 18:33.26 | freemangordon | *experience |
| 18:33.58 | peterbjornx | thats a nice goal, as it will allow other devices to be used which are more up to date than the n900 |
| 18:34.15 | freemangordon | looke at fptf thread on TMO, jonwil prepared an extensive list of closed packages and their "importancy" |
| 18:34.36 | freemangordon | damn, my typing skills start to degrade again :( |
| 18:36.11 | freemangordon | peterbjornx: so, you could either pick a package of your choice and RE it, or take libhildon-whatever-it-was (there is one closed plugin) |
| 18:36.27 | freemangordon | I can find the name for you if you need it |
| 18:37.13 | freemangordon | peterbjornx: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu is the place on gitorious where all the stuff in CSSU is |
| 18:37.21 | peterbjornx | ok, if it is ever needed, i own an arm dev board (beaglebone black) which has a reasonably similar cpu |
| 18:37.35 | freemangordon | and there are some pieces still in cssu-devel |
| 18:37.53 | freemangordon | peterbjornx: porting fremantle to it will be a great job |
| 18:38.24 | freemangordon | me and Pali have 3.13-rc7 booting fremantle on n900 |
| 18:38.43 | peterbjornx | nice |
| 18:38.48 | peterbjornx | is cal important? |
| 18:38.49 | freemangordon | but it is not DT boot. And Pali's laptop is under repair, again. |
| 18:38.55 | freemangordon | yes it is |
| 18:39.13 | freemangordon | but look here: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libcal/source/d4c5fd9293ddb693c9b032b4c084cd0343b3ea26: ;) |
| 18:39.45 | freemangordon | peterbjornx: in case you are not aware - Ivaylo Dimitrov is me :) |
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| 18:41.00 | freemangordon | peterbjornx: and the other very, very important part was REed, thanks to jonwil: |
| 18:41.16 | freemangordon | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/mce/source/83468be535f07ac6183cd8e794be407ef18fa6c6: |
| 18:42.04 | peterbjornx | so what parts are the most important atm |
| 18:42.21 | peterbjornx | and not crazy gui shit, preferably |
| 18:42.34 | freemangordon | lemme see |
| 18:43.55 | freemangordon | peterbjornx: hmm, maybe take some small daemon as start, like umm... how was that called... |
| 18:44.06 | freemangordon | aah, yes |
| 18:44.10 | freemangordon | location daemon |
| 18:44.31 | peterbjornx | any docs on the gps backend yet? |
| 18:44.47 | peterbjornx | i know it goes thru cmt and thats about it |
| 18:45.15 | freemangordon | did you look at the fptf thread, iirc there were lots of links there to various stuff, like dbus ifaces, etc |
| 18:45.23 | freemangordon | ~fptf |
| 18:45.23 | infobot | from memory, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 |
| 18:47.10 | peterbjornx | location d is under Packages I think we can drop completly as non-essential for a working system: (including things that go away because we are using different hardware to the N900) |
| 18:47.28 | peterbjornx | getbootstate done yeT? |
| 18:47.46 | freemangordon | yep |
| 18:49.38 | freemangordon | peterbjornx: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/getbootstate/source/d2659cad97a6d8cc497c255718228347b3482125: |
| 18:50.16 | freemangordon | as is osso-product-info |
| 18:51.38 | freemangordon | peterbjornx: and there is fully functional charging(or rather BME replacement), with drivers in upstream kernel. Thanks to Pali |
| 18:51.45 | freemangordon | ~pali |
| 18:51.45 | infobot | rumour has it, pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ |
| 18:52.08 | freemangordon | here http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bme-replacement.html |
| 18:53.27 | freemangordon | peterbjornx: oh, an important part we still miss is alsaped |
| 18:53.32 | sixwheeledbeast | is RE'd fmtx in cssu-devel? |
| 18:53.38 | freemangordon | yes, ofc |
| 18:53.46 | freemangordon | :P |
| 18:54.12 | sixwheeledbeast | well it works ok here then |
| 18:54.30 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: the announce was just shadowed by the speedyham |
| 18:54.50 | sixwheeledbeast | yay for speedyHAM |
| 18:54.57 | sixwheeledbeast | :D |
| 18:55.19 | freemangordon | :D |
| 18:55.23 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1404848&postcount=292 |
| 18:58.02 | sixwheeledbeast | I thought it was the RE'd one when I upgraded, I'll continue with further testing then but seems fine at first look. |
| 18:59.24 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: thanks! |
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| 19:01.56 | freemangordon | peterbjornx: so, it is up to you to work on whatever you like, every free bit more is welcomed |
| 19:02.07 | freemangordon | umm... |
| 19:02.38 | freemangordon | welcomed? sixwheeledbeast: is it ok in english? |
| 19:05.02 | freemangordon | ~seen luf |
| 19:05.09 | infobot | luf <~luf@80.188.29.62> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 1d 9h 3m 36s ago, saying: 'But I'm not 100% sure.'. |
| 19:05.24 | freemangordon | oh, he's alive, good :) |
| 19:07.17 | peterbjornx | cant seem to find a list of what needs to be done, just some things not necessary |
| 19:08.55 | freemangordon | peterbjornx: well, I guess it depends on what you want to achieve |
| 19:09.19 | peterbjornx | well, i'd like to see my bbb run maemo |
| 19:09.28 | sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: eh? welcomed |
| 19:09.34 | freemangordon | peterbjornx: hmm, that should be possible right now |
| 19:09.40 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: yeah :) |
| 19:09.55 | freemangordon | is it correct, in english |
| 19:09.57 | freemangordon | ? |
| 19:10.42 | peterbjornx | also, i'd like to help ensure the future of maemo |
| 19:11.18 | freemangordon | peterbjornx: Pali has some scripts to copy the N900 rootfs |
| 19:11.34 | freemangordon | I'll try to find them |
| 19:11.50 | peterbjornx | will it require sgx? |
| 19:11.56 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 19:12.13 | freemangordon | hildon-desktop is build with HW acceleration |
| 19:12.28 | sixwheeledbeast | it is english yes, but in which context, where is it used? |
| 19:12.46 | freemangordon | peterbjornx: but "our" upstream has sgx drivers included |
| 19:12.51 | sixwheeledbeast | oh |
| 19:13.21 | sixwheeledbeast | I misread, yes english ok |
| 19:13.33 | freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: thanks |
| 19:14.22 | freemangordon | peterbjornx: https://gitorious.org/linux-n900/linux-n900/source/fbe8f44503e2f158bf67c0a5950f56003aef9a53: |
| 19:14.53 | freemangordon | the other option is to compile it without HW accell, I think the correct one should be clutter |
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| 19:15.39 | freemangordon | peterbjornx: but wait, doesn;t BB have GLES drivers? |
| 19:18.23 | peterbjornx | nope, no ones ported them to 3.8 yet |
| 19:20.03 | freemangordon | well, diver on ^^^ tree work with 3.x kernels, iirc the first 3.x kernel I was using to port them was 3.5 |
| 19:20.25 | freemangordon | they are not 100% stable, but do great job for testing |
| 19:21.11 | peterbjornx | from what ive heard, the issue is with the device tree |
| 19:21.32 | freemangordon | "not stable" - it means that I see lots of "SGXHWRecovery..." under heavy system load on n900 |
| 19:21.43 | freemangordon | peterbjornx: do you use DT boot on BB? |
| 19:23.37 | peterbjornx | yeah |
| 19:23.51 | peterbjornx | i dont know if a "native" kernel board driver exists |
| 19:24.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | peterbjornx: (bbb run maemo) see ~fptf, links I posted in post#1/2 |
| 19:24.44 | freemangordon | yeah, there is some guide |
| 19:25.13 | freemangordon | I guess it is about time /me to read that :) |
| 19:25.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and answer some questions on fptf |
| 19:26.26 | peterbjornx | so, DocScrutinizer05 is there anything i can do for the porting effort |
| 19:26.49 | peterbjornx | REing something for example |
| 19:28.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | liblocation/locationd is important |
| 19:28.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | no GUI |
| 19:28.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | no kernel |
| 19:29.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you can drop all the ISI/modem stuff since our new modem speaks plain and well documented AT (if we don't include a completely separate GPS chip anyway) |
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| 19:34.31 | freemangordon | peterbjornx: there should be x86 bins, so hexrays will help a lot |
| 19:35.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | alsaped is extremely important since it controls audio and we need to get that right to make new modem do phonecalls |
| 19:38.01 | freemangordon | peterbjornx: BTW install ScratchBox if not already do so. Otherwise the REing job will become a nightmare (without header files) |
| 19:38.05 | freemangordon | *did |
| 19:38.17 | freemangordon | ~sb |
| 19:38.17 | infobot | methinks scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, or hosted by maemo.org now, maintainer thedead1440 |
| 19:41.45 | freemangordon | hmm, ok, 3.13 released, let the DT fun begin :D |
| 19:46.49 | kerio | i still don't get why there's no arm hexrays around :s |
| 19:47.48 | freemangordon | kerio: there is, if you have some 10000 euros (iirc) |
| 19:48.00 | kerio | i meant |
| 19:48.08 | kerio | looks to the sides |
| 19:48.12 | kerio | *around* |
| 19:50.38 | freemangordon | I guess those who possess it are too scary to put it on TBP :) |
| 19:51.04 | freemangordon | BTW we are lucky to have x86 hexrays |
| 19:51.09 | freemangordon | *leaked* |
| 19:51.53 | kerio | and by leaked you mean absolutely 100% genuinely purchased |
| 19:51.54 | kerio | RIGHT |
| 19:52.21 | freemangordon | sure |
| 19:52.23 | Ashley` | genuinely purchased, at good store, like TPB? |
| 19:52.28 | Ashley` | :P |
| 19:52.33 | freemangordon | kerio: even SURE |
| 19:53.14 | freemangordon | kerio: BTW how's thumby glibc? |
| 19:53.23 | kerio | it's... a library |
| 19:53.38 | freemangordon | sure, but are there any problems? |
| 19:53.48 | kerio | not at all |
| 19:53.51 | Ashley` | works good for me |
| 19:53.54 | freemangordon | did you see smething unusual |
| 19:53.59 | kerio | nope |
| 19:54.01 | freemangordon | good |
| 19:54.11 | kerio | now where's the gcc 4.7 xorg |
| 19:54.27 | kerio | never 4get |
| 19:54.50 | freemangordon | kerio: I am afraid I won;t touch Xorg before I upgrade gcc to a newver one, I guess it hits some bug in gcc |
| 19:55.00 | kerio | yay |
| 19:55.01 | freemangordon | newer even |
| 19:55.03 | kerio | recompile all the things! |
| 19:55.10 | freemangordon | why? |
| 19:55.16 | kerio | with the newer version |
| 19:55.19 | kerio | it could be faster! |
| 19:55.44 | freemangordon | kerio: you know, the source code is on gitorious :P |
| 19:56.11 | freemangordon | kerio: it will be 4.7.2 again |
| 19:57.01 | freemangordon | I am not sure 4.8 and above will like our old sourcecode base |
| 19:57.20 | kerio | are there better compilers for arm? |
| 19:57.42 | freemangordon | no idea |
| 20:02.33 | kerio | ...maybe clang? :3 |
| 20:02.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh, new compiler rejects old code? since when? |
| 20:05.52 | dos1 | http://developers.slashdot.org/story/14/01/20/1532247/examining-the-user-reported-issues-with-upgrading-from-gcc-47-to-48 |
| 20:06.19 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: lots of packager supply -Wall -Werror ;) |
| 20:06.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | well |
| 20:18.33 | chem|st | o/ |
| 20:18.41 | freemangordon | chem|st: hi! |
| 20:19.10 | freemangordon | chem|st: you know, the -stable thingie. What help (if any) do you need to make e new update? |
| 20:23.35 | chem|st | freemangordon: someone doing it? the pain is that I need time to evaluate what is stable in the first place - packages are all built but sorted by cssu-t release |
| 20:24.42 | freemangordon | chem|st: noone is doing it afaik. |
| 20:25.01 | chem|st | even if someone does that for me, I need to double check some stuff. my weekends are basically gone for like ever. Actually had planned to do it between the years but got cought in the middle |
| 20:25.23 | freemangordon | chem|st: Last thing I know from you is that you had problems building modest and microb |
| 20:25.50 | chem|st | yes I still do and noone ever got any clue about it |
| 20:26.55 | freemangordon | chem|st: ok, but we should exit somehow from that situation while there are still -stable users |
| 20:27.24 | chem|st | I think it was some lib I built after microb that sucked in my compiler as I was not able to rebuild any of the heavier things after that, that is why everything is now prebuilt conserved from testing, so I pull what I need and add my own magic |
| 20:27.51 | freemangordon | hmm, that seems like a good idea |
| 20:28.06 | freemangordon | but you need to know what is stable? |
| 20:28.11 | chem|st | it was/is yes |
| 20:28.44 | chem|st | and yes I need to see what is in stable and what needs updates and which of those available are unbound to anything I do not want |
| 20:30.03 | freemangordon | chem|st: I can help with my opinion on what is stable. but that new release should be out soon IMO, there is more than an year since the last big update in -stable |
| 20:30.32 | freemangordon | and there is lots of things that are fixed in the meantime |
| 20:30.41 | freemangordon | s/is/are |
| 20:32.26 | chem|st | I will see what I can do, I am sick atm and am struggling with sitting through a meeting, would have been a nice time off to do it but I can barely sit 30min at my computer atm |
| 20:33.35 | freemangordon | chem|st: ok, take care of yourself |
| 20:34.18 | chem|st | I burned my foot and have pretty low blood pressure atm |
| 20:34.26 | freemangordon | oh |
| 20:34.44 | freemangordon | how did you manage to do that? |
| 20:34.50 | freemangordon | with the bike? |
| 20:34.59 | chem|st | I sitt like in a 90deg angle on my desk to put it up... |
| 20:35.15 | freemangordon | oh, sounds bad |
| 20:35.19 | chem|st | would love to (with a bike) as I got a new old one but no bare boiling water |
| 20:35.33 | freemangordon | damn |
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| 21:27.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | curses 2014 |
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| 21:56.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | peterbjornx: another very importand domain that has blobs: kbd driver stack |
| 21:58.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | something creates the onscreen vkbd, and sth locks the vol+/vol- keys (aka "F7" "F8" iirc) but only when not configured otherwise in mce.ini |
| 21:58.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | some Nokia proprietary blob in this stuff defeated some neat hacks like using indicator LED for showing Fn-lock /caps-lock |
| 21:59.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | for other platforms we will have other keyboard hw, and thus will probably want that RE'ed to adapt it perfectly |
| 22:00.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | peterbjornx: I managed ~5 times in my life to grok how kbd input driver stack works, just to forget it a week later for the unbearably complex layered mess it is |
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| 22:01.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I can't tell for sure which layer/level the Nokia blob sits |
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| 23:18.52 | ds3 | does cssu-stable come with a multiboot select by default? |
| 23:20.13 | kerio | no |
| 23:21.50 | ds3 | what is the recommended way of enabling kernel-bfs? dpkg -l shows it installed but I appear to be running the stock kernel? |
| 23:24.31 | kerio | kernel-bfs is shit |
| 23:24.42 | kerio | it's an old, deprecated version of kernel-power with a crappy scheduler |
| 23:26.01 | ds3 | I don't care specifically for that kernel but it appears to be installed -- all I want is ipt_MASQUERADE |
| 23:26.31 | ds3 | since I did a full reinstall from scratch, I am looking for the preferred way of doing it |
| 23:26.34 | kerio | sudo apt-get remove kernel-bfs* |
| 23:26.39 | kerio | sudo apt-get install kernel-power-flasher |
| 23:27.02 | ds3 | does multiboot work? |
| 23:27.16 | kerio | multiboot is also shit, fwiw |
| 23:27.27 | kerio | i guess you'd need kernel-power-bootimg for that |
| 23:27.41 | kerio | sudo apt-get install kernel-power-flasher kernel-power-bootimg |
| 23:27.52 | kerio | when the former asks if you want to actually flash, just say no |
| 23:28.02 | kerio | but yeah... no |
| 23:28.03 | kerio | use uboot |
| 23:28.05 | ds3 | the last time I messed with the kernel, I had to reflash it cuz the installer wiped out the kernel entirely |
| 23:28.13 | kerio | why do you want multiboot? |
| 23:28.32 | ds3 | trying to avoid having to rerun a flasher from a PC |
| 23:28.50 | kerio | if you don't actually need to boot other things, just install kernel-power |
| 23:28.56 | kerio | and by kernel-power i mean kernel-power-flasher |
| 23:29.07 | ds3 | will that break CSSU stuff? |
| 23:29.11 | ds3 | and fcam |
| 23:31.31 | ds3 | what the hell... it is only a week to recover |
| 23:33.02 | kerio | no |
| 23:33.02 | kerio | and no |
| 23:33.14 | kerio | well actually i'm not entirely sure about fcam |
| 23:33.30 | kerio | but reinstalling fcam-drivers and kernel-power-modules a handful of times usually makes it work |
| 23:33.36 | ds3 | heh |
| 23:33.53 | ds3 | I tried kernel power years ago and i just remember broken camera stuff left and right |
| 23:34.00 | ds3 | in any case...diving in head first |
| 23:34.16 | ds3 | it booted :D |
| 23:36.17 | ds3 | okay...that seems to work |
| 23:36.25 | ds3 | BlessN900 gives a preview |
| 23:37.16 | ds3 | thanks... back to 80% of the preSIM failure functionality |