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| 10:53.57 | Pali | freemangordon: from /dev/mem access on maemo there is mess on address 0x4020FFB8 |
| 10:54.31 | Pali | so looks like kernel overwriting copy of PRM_RSTST register |
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| 13:35.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | could someone help out a noob on the following: http://privatepaste.com/de4977fad2 |
| 13:36.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder why that's soooo much to update. Shouldn't that be a tad less, maybe only the few packages from my cssu-t version to recent one |
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| 13:37.35 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: that's all cssu stuff |
| 13:38.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 13:39.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | still I'm puzzled starting at first line |
| 13:39.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | upstart [0.3.8-68+0cssu1] (0.3.8-68+0cssu6 community-testing:2.0/fremantle) |
| 13:40.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | how the heck would my system have upstart-0.3.8-68+0cssu1 and latest CSSU-T has 0.3.8-68+0cssu6 ? |
| 13:40.39 | merlin1991 | well you stopped upgrading quite long a go |
| 13:40.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's not like I missed the last 6 CSSU updates |
| 13:40.48 | merlin1991 | and we didn't release each cssuX iteration |
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| 13:41.02 | merlin1991 | they were candidates, but got scraped when not ready enough |
| 13:41.13 | merlin1991 | most upstart versions only ever saw -devel |
| 13:41.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you say this is all fine for a system that stopped a 6 months orso ago with updates on CSSU-T? |
| 13:42.09 | merlin1991 | if you'd still have the mp I'd at least know when you stopped |
| 13:42.26 | merlin1991 | but I bet you stopped pre Tmaemo8 |
| 13:42.35 | merlin1991 | and that has a huge changelist |
| 13:42.35 | merlin1991 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#Tmaemo8 |
| 13:42.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 13:42.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I stopped at T7 |
| 13:43.10 | merlin1991 | yeah then that's pretty much the changes from tmaemo7 to tmaemo8.2 |
| 13:43.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 13:43.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 13:43.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Now I just need to check each single one of them if I like it or not |
| 13:44.46 | merlin1991 | bear in mind some changes go hand in hand |
| 13:44.54 | merlin1991 | ie microb won't work without new zlib |
| 13:45.21 | merlin1991 | and libpng |
| 13:46.01 | merlin1991 | and some stuff belongs togehter which isn't obvious, ie system-services is part of upstart |
| 13:47.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the package maintainers didn't bother to add proper DEPENDS on those? |
| 13:47.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | BAD |
| 13:48.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get install `apt-get -s upgrade|grep "community-testing:2.0/fremantle"|grep -f /etc/exclude-those-pkgs|cut -f 1` |
| 13:48.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, add a -v there |
| 13:49.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, when microb needs a certain version of zlib, then it damn sure needs this dependency listed in the .deb, eh? |
| 13:50.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | or are we still following the "take it or leave it2 broken MP approach? |
| 13:52.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, I wouldn't be able to keep zlib out when I decide to install microb. but hey! |
| 13:54.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess I probably could handle that by another pass of dpkg and apt-* to list all dependencies of all the packages pending to install, and see if any of them contains a dependency that I excluden via /etc/exclude-those-pkgs |
| 13:55.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | this step should find zlib listed as dependency in microb and warn me that there's a package microb it can't install since I got zlib on the blacklist |
| 13:57.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: btw sorry that I don't have any mp anymore, but I didn't remove it to annoy you. In fact I didn't remove it at all. All I did was installing procps |
| 13:58.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I won't install mp again any time soon, unless it learns to not uninstall procps |
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| 14:08.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly fail to understand why CSSU can't nuke mp all together and replace it by a script file consisting of apt-get lines for all the packages in the former mp, and place that script file into a location where it gets executed and then deleted/renamed on next boot, then boot the device |
| 14:09.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | call that !MP |
| 14:10.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | and make next cssu update install the !MP package via MP |
| 14:11.06 | l4m3rx | mp = meta pacakge? |
| 14:11.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 14:11.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | mp-fremantle-community-pr |
| 14:13.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | check out latest mp-fremantle-community-pr, you'll be stunned |
| 14:13.04 | l4m3rx | i'm not sure I understood u right... u want insted of the mp-freemantle-c-pr, to have a package containing one shell script, witch does the apt-get blqblqh for the update.. and this script gets executed at boot |
| 14:13.17 | l4m3rx | afk for a minute, and i'll take a look |
| 14:13.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, exactly. I think this might work |
| 14:14.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it wouldn't get uninstalled when I install procps |
| 14:15.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I could set up a nifty little fancy that edits or parses the file and obeys my /etc/exclude-those-pkgs file |
| 14:19.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course all this are second choice solutions, the preferred solution been described in http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/meetings/2012-05-14.txt |
| 14:28.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache show mp-fremantle-community-pr|wc -l |
| 14:28.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | 3716 |
| 14:28.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache show mp-fremantle-community-pr|wc -c |
| 14:28.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | 329403 |
| 14:28.58 | merlin1991 | all hail the maemo repos |
| 14:30.24 | merlin1991 | though I'm at 263 lines :) |
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| 14:33.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | relevant for me right now: http://privatepaste.com/9a06022a06 |
| 14:34.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and AIUI it could get relaced by a script calling apt-get install for each single one of the packages in "Depends:" |
| 14:37.12 | merlin1991 | we'd have to rebuild the system upgrade functionality of ham in that script |
| 14:37.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 14:37.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | what functionality? |
| 14:38.20 | merlin1991 | prefetch packages, then go into flightmode and other bits |
| 14:38.24 | merlin1991 | and THEN install the packages |
| 14:38.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, THAT seems easy enough |
| 14:39.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually we only need to place the script to where maemo-auto-optify gets called |
| 14:40.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh actually |
| 14:40.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | at that stage no system relevant stuff should have been started |
| 14:41.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | incl modem |
| 14:42.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | if that still doesn't suffice, we place it into the rcS |
| 14:42.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ot next to bootmenu |
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| 14:47.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, prefetch (apt supports -d download-only), place _install_ script to bootmenu, boot |
| 14:47.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess it can get done in 2h |
| 14:48.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | (writing such script, that is, and package it) |
| 14:49.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I probably could write it here as a oneliner, in 20 min |
| 14:50.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | except the `` packages="modest (>= 3.90.7-2), hildon-home (>= 0.3.71-1), hildon-desktop (>= 1:2.2.142-3),... ยดยด |
| 14:51.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | for p in $packages; do apt-get -d $p; done |
| 14:51.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | see? 10% ready |
| 14:51.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 20% |
| 14:51.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
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| 16:13.11 | l4m3rx`home | DocScrutinizer05, i cannot totaly agree with u.Not that i'm really close with dpkg and apt-get, but I'm pretty sure that the debian package system is capable of doing all stuff right , IF everything (meainimg deps) is correctly added to all packages. |
| 16:13.52 | l4m3rx`home | that said, having script to do the work ,gives you flexability, witch may even be needed on some updates. |
| 16:15.52 | l4m3rx`home | and the scripts should make the maintainers life easyer |
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| 16:38.24 | l4m3rx`home | anyway, after reading the log from the 2012-05-14 meeting, i think i understand ur point about the script. But avoiding the real issue will not solve it...and the issue here is ham |
| 16:40.23 | l4m3rx`home | and i think merlin1991 was right about ham. anyway this is just my oppinion..... |
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| 17:58.04 | freemangordon | merlin1991: what has happended with the update? |
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| 18:26.00 | merlin1991 | life has happened |
| 18:26.07 | merlin1991 | I'll get it done tomorrow |
| 18:26.19 | merlin1991 | sorry :( |
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