IRC log for #maemo-ssu on 20131007

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05:37.08dreamerDocScrutinizer05: er, the selector with 5 modes in the status menu. I used the 'advanced battery' indicator before and never gave issues
05:37.35dreamerI can't scroll down, there's just an empty spot where the backlight-applet used to be
05:38.09dreamerthe advanced battery thing doesn't use any more space than before (if anything it uses the space more efficiently)
05:39.05DocScrutinizer05does it look like the one in this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=884348&postcount=8 (right, above "flashlight")?
05:41.02dreameryes
05:41.32DocScrutinizer05this is simple brightness applet
05:41.34dreameror am I confused and is that a separate app?
05:41.52dreameriirc it was there before I installed the power thingy
05:42.17DocScrutinizer05well, most probably, when you installed "simple brightness applet"
05:42.43dreamerI thought it was a default applet
05:43.13DocScrutinizer05dpkg -l| grep simple-brightness-applet
05:43.17dreamerbut I guess I wasn't paying attention. I hadn't reinstalled in a looooohng tim
05:43.50DocScrutinizer05ii  simple-brightness-applet                            1.4-1                                      Simple brightness statusarea applet
05:44.07dreamernope, don't have it. my bad
05:44.18dreamerI seriously thought it was there by default and it disappeared on me :P
05:44.56DocScrutinizer05apt-get install simple-brightness-applet
05:45.14dreameryes it's done :)
05:45.18dreamerthnx
05:45.20DocScrutinizer05yw
05:45.32dreamerI really needed a reflash too. my n900 is so much snappier now
05:46.00dreamertoo bad I lost a whole lot of contacts. backup didn't work because of 'stale nfs' bullcrap that didn't resolve after fsck :/
05:46.09dreamerbut I have an older backup so not everything is lost
05:47.14DocScrutinizer05restoring a lot of conversations will make it slow again
05:47.43dreamerok, how is that?
05:48.38DocScrutinizer05ls -l /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db
05:48.52dreamerI don't have it
05:48.59DocScrutinizer05sqlite eating all your ram when conversations database too large
05:49.00dreamerlike I said: I reflashed
05:49.07dreamerand backup didn't work
05:49.13dreamerdamn, good to know
05:49.39DocScrutinizer05slows down everything
05:49.54dreamerthen I'm pretty sure that 3 yrs of use caused that to happen
05:49.58DocScrutinizer05you must have a /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db
05:50.06dreamerwell sure, but it's tiny now
05:50.11DocScrutinizer05otherwise conversations will blow chunks
05:50.32DocScrutinizer05>1MB considered too large
05:50.44dreamercheck
05:50.58dreamerI'll see what happens when I restore my old one
05:51.42DocScrutinizer05use mc to browse the tarball of backup, it's relatively easy to locate, you'll know in advance how large it been
05:52.28DocScrutinizer05you can delete that file any time, and it will get re-created empty
05:52.36dreamerok
05:52.48DocScrutinizer05delete, reboot hard
05:53.12DocScrutinizer05to get rif of all call history and conversations
05:53.16DocScrutinizer05rid*
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05:54.16DocScrutinizer051 week ago a user had a 6MB db, suffered corruption of db, no more conversations showing
05:54.22DocScrutinizer05no new SMS
05:57.05DocScrutinizer05also you might want to augment a new el-v1.db with a few stored procedures to add call duration. See:
05:57.08DocScrutinizer05~jrtools
05:57.08infobotjrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
05:58.25DocScrutinizer05http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/eventsdb_calllog_triggers.sh
06:04.25dreamerdamn, that backup is nearly a year old .. better than nothing
06:05.14dreamerwill have lost maybe half a dozen contacts and changed details
06:05.52DocScrutinizer05does a backup
06:06.08dreamerhehe
06:06.23dreameryeah at least 'once every season' would be good to do
06:09.18DocScrutinizer05the damn osso-backup isn't script-able via cmdline :-/
06:09.29DocScrutinizer05so no "cron" either
06:09.36DocScrutinizer05no automatic backups
06:11.39DocScrutinizer05insane
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10:00.33FatPhil~last Pali
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10:04.26jonwil~seen Pali
10:04.28infobotpali <~Pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 13h 51m 46s ago, saying: 'so because of nokia...'.
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10:05.35jonwiltiming... :P
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10:10.26FatPhilperfect timing indeed!
10:17.46jonwilMight dig into N900 GPS later, see if I can work out the dbus interfaces being used
10:18.19Palijonwil: there is already plugin for gpsd
10:18.37Paliwhich using n900 modem via AF_PHONET
10:19.03Palimaybe you can look into this source code for RE GSP
10:19.21Palisearch for file gps2.c (there should be link from maemo wiki)
10:19.23jonwilI have the info I need to reverse engineer things mostly
10:19.43jonwilI dont much need to care about what N900 does, just what the dbus interfaces are
10:19.54jonwilsince someone will eventually be writing something compatible for Neo900
10:19.55Paliok, I just note that info how to get data from gps already exists...
10:20.02jonwilok :)
10:20.24jonwilbut yeah for Neo900 we need a drop-in replacement for N900 GPS bits that talk to new GPS modem
10:20.31jonwilwhatever that ends up being :)
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10:52.12FatPhilDEAR ALL - USE FUCKING VERSION CONTROL
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12:05.59psycho_oreossigned by: <one_angry_maemo_owner> ... ;)
12:07.07MohammadAGthy dare mention errr, moi?
12:08.02psycho_oreosay, it was meant to be a light hearted joke. No pun intended.
12:10.27MohammadAGhahaha no worries :)
12:13.47psycho_oreosis somehow reminded of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE
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13:18.11troulouliou_devhi by installing cssu i won't loose my application installed from  ovi ?
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14:01.59psycho_oreosUnlikely.
14:05.22psycho_oreosYou are welcome, however to make use of backupmenu by robbiethe1st to backup your maemo setup completely prior to using CSSU updates.
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14:21.00troulouliou_devpsycho_oreos, yes done thanks
14:28.50troulouliou_devwhen installing cssu testing i have the message "to update your device to this version you must use Nokia PC suite .."
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15:10.07psycho_oreosSomething went wrong, I'm pretty sure the CSSU page on the wiki should explain how to fix that.
15:15.35troulouliou_devpsycho_oreos, yeah but i m facingthe worst case scenario here after upgrade
15:15.37psycho_oreosAt this rate I'm also going to suggest you to use CSSU-Stable. CSSU-Testing may not be suitable considering the progress I've seen so far.
15:15.51troulouliou_devi have the nokia boot screen
15:15.56troulouliou_devthen shutdown
15:16.27psycho_oreossighs and itches head.
15:16.41psycho_oreosIt could just be low battery.
15:16.59troulouliou_devi ave access to the boot backup menu  but maemo 5 refuse to start
15:17.08troulouliou_devno full battery as suggested
15:18.00psycho_oreosThen I guess you might be missing userland tools or something, maybe a good idea is to restore from the backup.
15:18.42troulouliou_devpsycho_oreos, yeah will do ; pwnie express can't be responsible for it i guess it is just a classic pr1.3 with additional git package and desktop?
15:19.33psycho_oreostroulouliou_dev, I have no idea what you did last to make your maemo setup unbootable. It could be literally anything.
15:19.47troulouliou_devpsycho_oreos, updated to cssu testing :)
15:19.53troulouliou_devrestoring atm
15:20.02psycho_oreosDid you even read the stuff I mentioned on the wiki?
15:20.24troulouliou_devpsycho_oreos, yes most of it :)
15:22.01troulouliou_devpsycho_oreos, why do you recommend stable over testing ? testing is almost not  updated anymore ?
15:22.55psycho_oreostroulouliou_dev, no it's more like I'm doubting your skills.
15:23.36troulouliou_devpsycho_oreos, ha no got solid debian background :) i just abandonned my n900 for some times :)
15:25.02psycho_oreostroulouliou_dev, I was sensing the need for one to be hasty.
15:26.20psycho_oreosA more cautious person would for instance always read and google information if in doubt rather than taking on whatever someone else said straight up.
15:26.32psycho_oreosRather a more patient person.
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15:30.27troulouliou_devpsycho_oreos, does the initrd or equivalent in n900 support cryptsetup at boot time for full phone encryption ?
15:31.12psycho_oreostroulouliou_dev, no idea, its not even related to CSSU. Though I do believe there has been a few people who have encrypted N900 fs.
15:31.35psycho_oreosNamely they would be on the forums for that regard.
15:33.59freemangordonFatPhil: hmm? what about version control?
15:46.13FatPhilUSE IT!!!!
15:46.18FatPhil:-)
15:46.50freemangordonsure, but why the caps? someone didn't use it? :)
15:47.13freemangordonFatPhil: btw, did you have a chance to look at the patches in KP? all of them I mean
15:47.50FatPhilfreemangordon: more than one person...
15:48.01freemangordonoh
15:48.07freemangordonthat's bad
15:48.10FatPhilI did get most of the way through them
15:48.27freemangordongreat
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17:59.41FatPhilfreemangordon: focussing on MCE with jonwil for a few days
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20:45.45DocScrutinizer05\o/
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20:50.11DocScrutinizer05FYI: the Option modules have built-in echo cancellation and background noise suppression, so we probably can just forget about that proprietary Nokia audio enhancement stuff on APE
21:01.27dos1\o/
21:02.55dos1so maybe even hardware routing will be possible to use with Maemo?
21:11.34DocScrutinizer05possible
21:11.55DocScrutinizer05depending on RE of that friggin ped
21:12.52DocScrutinizer05unless we completely RE ped, we will have a hard time to implement anything significantly different regarding audio to what and how N900 does it
21:13.37DocScrutinizer05alas ped and whole audio is remarkably closed and undocumented
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21:36.45DocScrutinizer05GTA04 supports both hw-routing and APE-centric audio
21:37.25DocScrutinizer05but *none* of the ped "scenarios" will work with the GTA04 audio hw
21:38.21DocScrutinizer05and I have to confess I don't have the slightest clue how that ped policies actually work
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22:42.04DocScrutinizer05dos1: I wonder if we should make more clear about the project status of Neo900, particularly about the specification details which all are just "goal that may or may not be reached"
22:43.15DocScrutinizer05when you look at the pictures in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1379096&postcount=727 you may get a faint idea of the troubles we're facing
22:45.06DocScrutinizer05despite first impressions the N900 is pretty crammed with chips and other indispensable stuff, and that's with BB5/RAPU and RETU chipset, which we plan to replace by a modem module of 37*30*2mm

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