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05:25.56keriogoddammit i seriously hope none of them gets hit by a bus :V
05:26.59keriowe should make sure to never send them on the same vehicle when traveling
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06:19.16gggsHey guys, having an issue with the latest stable SSU- I can't access the inbox of my IMAP4 account
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06:21.20Sc0rpiuswhy not
06:21.36gggsEvery other folder works (although there's "Trash", ". Trash" and ". Trash", and two INBOX folders)
06:21.51gggsno idea, worked before the SSU
06:22.19Sc0rpiusit's not a Gmail account, is it?
06:22.39gggsNope, commercial IMAP4
06:23.00gggscontinues to work as normal via Thunderbird & my iPad
06:23.07Sc0rpiusand you don't get any kind of error? it's just like email doesn't show?
06:23.49gggsI can't enter the "INBOX" folder at all- the select box highlights onPress but nothing happens
06:24.21Sc0rpiussince it's IMAP and you won't lose your emails, have you tried to delete the account and create it again?
06:24.35gggsworth a shot, I've just rebooted it
06:30.42gggsAwesome, that actually worked. I still have an "Inbox", "INBOX", "Trash", ". Trash", and ". Trash", but otherwise it worked
06:32.41gggsa few years left in this old phone yet
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15:25.48Palifreemangordon_: did you test my et8ek8 patch (from yesterday)?
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16:21.54freemangordon_Pali: no, will do now
16:22.14Paliok, let me know if it work so I can push that patch to gitorious
16:22.49freemangordonPali: wait, where is the patch? I thought it is on gitorious.
16:23.00Palion pastebin
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16:23.08freemangordonok
16:23.29Palihttp://pastebin.com/M6WdEcYJ
16:26.11freemangordonPali: does not apply
16:27.54freemangordonPali: I bet pastebin broke it :(
16:27.59freemangordonlemme try something
16:28.56freemangordonPali: it is ok now :)
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17:07.22DocScrutinizer05hi gals and guys! please evaluate if (and by how much effort) it can be made possible to boot fremantle on a N(eo)900 without NAND. Don't worry about boot sequence, this will be granted to be set up so it works to boot from eMMC. I'm more worried about: * kernel partiton; * CAL (!!); * mtdoops
17:08.16DocScrutinizer05booting kernel from eMMC seems simple, we're already doing that all the time
17:08.38DocScrutinizer05mtdoops seems marginal, but is it really?
17:08.46DocScrutinizer05CAL is a PITA I guess
17:09.19freemangordonPali: seems your patch is fine
17:09.22Sicelowhat does CAL stand for btw?
17:09.27freemangordon~cal
17:09.27infoboti guess cal is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465
17:10.05freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: what is the problem with cal? we have FOSS library to access it
17:10.18Sicelois that even needed on Neo900?
17:11.15kerioDocScrutinizer05: nandsim
17:11.21keriounless everything uses libcal
17:11.29kerioin which case, replacement for libcal
17:11.42PaliDocScrutinizer05: mtdoops is set by kernel cmdline, so this is not problematic
17:11.57PaliDocScrutinizer05: kernel area is used only for loading kernel by bootloader, so not problem too
17:12.28PaliDocScrutinizer05: CAL: this is problem, but freemangordon already RE libcal library, so we can replace code to store data to eMMC
17:13.03freemangordon:nod:
17:13.07DocScrutinizer05is this actually r/w enabled lib?
17:13.08PaliDocScrutinizer05: if you want to use fremantle from SD card or eMMC, see my scripts for M32GB
17:13.14freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: yes
17:13.14Pali~M32GB
17:13.14infobotwell, m32gb is https://code.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/maemo_M32GB
17:14.08DocScrutinizer05Pali: we want to keep as much as possible conpatibility to stocj maemo
17:14.32DocScrutinizer05and confine any hacks/patches to kernel, if any possible
17:14.47PaliDocScrutinizer05: mtd is not problem, this depends on bootloader
17:14.58freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libcal/source/27df167a08103f060f297cbdfec2a360e5d1eec4:src/cal.h#L144
17:15.04freemangordon:)
17:15.06Paliso if you configure/compile bootloader for neno correctly, there will not be problem
17:15.19DocScrutinizer05mhm
17:15.38DocScrutinizer05good, thanks
17:16.00DocScrutinizer05I still don't feel euphoric about using a 1GB RAM PoP without NAND
17:17.13freemangordonhmm, I guess 512+512 and 1GB of fast swap is better
17:17.49DocScrutinizer05int  cal_lock_otp_area(struct cal* cal, unsigned int flag);   DAMNIT!
17:18.06DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: ACK
17:20.05freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: this lock should be supported by nand iirc
17:20.25freemangordon(it was a while I played with this :) )
17:20.36DocScrutinizer05I don't doubt it's supported, I'm not pleased if it gets used ;-)
17:20.49freemangordoniirc it is not supported :)
17:21.07freemangordonrv = ioctl(fd, OTPLOCK, &info);
17:21.30DocScrutinizer05N9 prolly using it, in NOLO
17:21.42freemangordonnot to say we can always repartition the cal area
17:21.53freemangordoncould be
17:23.38DocScrutinizer05whatever, thanks for sharing your notions and expertise. I'll continue to search for a solution that keeps NAND. Just for the record we seem to have found a 1GB RAM-only PoP
17:26.09DocScrutinizer05but I'm kinda feeling defiant today, due to users bashing Neo900 for not outperforming N9 on GFX and 720p playback (the heck WHAT FOR??), so I rather tend to go for 512MB RAM and that's it, the demand for 1GB RAM is a stupid marketing-driven thing which I consider of minor benefit for Neo900 performance
17:29.52DocScrutinizer05very honorable guys uttered their sound notion that already a humble 80MB more of RAM would bring fremantle out of swap hell and thus would cure 95% of our most iching problems. Neo900 has 256MB more RAM
17:31.34DocScrutinizer05all this numbers-bragging on RAM, cores, MHz. I despise it so much
17:32.31DocScrutinizer05the GFX makes 20Mpoly/s instead of 10 on 3530
17:33.28DocScrutinizer05but users go "EEEEW the DSP is same crap like N9" (only 50% faster than on N900)
17:33.59DocScrutinizer05I'm tempted to answer "then the heck get a spyPhone9!"
17:35.45DocScrutinizer05prolly we should change our advertising: "RAM: 4Gb" ;-)
17:36.50DocScrutinizer05"CPU clock: up to 2.4GHz" (or whatever the dividers theoretically could provide)
17:41.43ShadowJKThere's no swap hell if you limit yourself
17:42.07ShadowJKAnd even with 1g you can reach swap hell easily if you dont limit yourself.
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17:58.53DocScrutinizer05yes, *I* know that
18:00.48DocScrutinizer05(([2013-09-24 19:33:59] <DocScrutinizer05> I'm tempted to answer ...)) I did ;-P
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18:18.44kerioDocScrutinizer05: 50% faster but still crashing every other video!
18:19.16kerioalso, i vote for 1gb ram with no NAND instead of 512+512
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18:21.48DocScrutinizer05kerio: *maybe* we can offer options, but for sure FPTF won't support NAND-less as the first and prior variant, maybe it won't support it ever and you need to configure and bring up your device under fremantle by yourself then
18:21.57kerio:c
18:22.50DocScrutinizer05after all we'd need massive hacks to a lot of core system properties and bits, to support NAND-less fremantle
18:23.07keriovery few things actually speak with /dev/mtd*
18:23.21DocScrutinizer05but the partitioning is different
18:23.28keriocal goes through libcal, and nothing prevents us from having / and /home as separate partitions
18:24.17DocScrutinizer05so it starts with different uBoot config needed, and I bet rcS needs a lot of patching as well
18:24.37keriojust the very early bits
18:24.41DocScrutinizer05replacing libcal is just another detail
18:24.49kerioand do you really hope to run them unchanged?
18:25.00DocScrutinizer05libcal? sure
18:25.13DocScrutinizer05rcS? hope so
18:25.28keriommh
18:25.43DocScrutinizer05that's the idea of the whole Neo900 compatibility goal
18:26.10DocScrutinizer05to userland, the system should look identical
18:26.20kerioyeah but twice the ram :(
18:26.31DocScrutinizer05no, 4 times the ram
18:26.42DocScrutinizer05you already got twice the ram
18:26.44keriotwice the ram compared to the 512+512
18:27.51DocScrutinizer05I'm not geting euphoric or even horny ny watching my RAM values in top, what makes me happy is a smoothly working device
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18:30.09DocScrutinizer05feels strangely reminded at OM GTA02 which been supposed to have that SMEDIA Glamo GFX accel chip, and it turned out that due to all the collateral damage that chip *slowed down* graphics to a level that it became basically unbearable
18:30.25kerioi just feel that this could be a point where backwards compatibility could be ignored for the good of innovation
18:30.26DocScrutinizer05but sure, it had a GFX accel
18:30.42DocScrutinizer05we're not going that path
18:31.13DocScrutinizer05when you want innovation, get a N9 or a Jolla
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19:45.52DocScrutinizer05Neo900 is rather vintage than innovation ;-)
19:46.35DocScrutinizer05GTA04 already had to replace sevarl chip by alternatives since EOL
19:46.43DocScrutinizer05several*
19:47.11DocScrutinizer05and actually it seems OMAP3430 is EOL either
19:47.48DocScrutinizer05err, not yet
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