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| 15:45.14 | kerio | freemangordon: in a general sense, will stuff that compiles with gcc 4.2 also compile with 4.7? |
| 15:45.26 | kerio | x86_64 here |
| 15:45.40 | kerio | it should Just Work, right? |
| 15:45.42 | freemangordon | kerio: yes. |
| 15:46.31 | freemangordon | kerio: assuming the code does not contain some nasty bug which gets revealed by 4.7.2 :) |
| 15:47.27 | kerio | it's been 32 minutes of make bootstrap, i hope it'll work |
| 15:49.09 | kerio | it's such a boring thing, too |
| 15:49.22 | kerio | pypy's translation process is a lot more interesting |
| 15:49.38 | kerio | you get a drawing of the mandelbrot fractal |
| 15:49.41 | kerio | in colour, too |
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| 16:57.06 | kerio | holy shit it's still going |
| 16:57.49 | kerio | 1:45 so far |
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| 17:12.42 | kerio | this is insane, two hours for a make bootstrap |
| 17:15.01 | kerio | yay it finished |
| 17:15.20 | kerio | i know that complaining about it here would make it go faster |
| 17:15.27 | kerio | *kneqw |
| 17:15.30 | kerio | **knew |
| 17:18.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: nonsense |
| 17:18.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | you need to oil the CPUs |
| 17:18.54 | kerio | there's enough grease on my laptop, tyvm |
| 17:20.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | get a good herring can, open it, get some of the oil (it is evidently best for that purpose), and pour it over your motherboard, next to CPU, and also directly on top of CPU chip |
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| 17:25.31 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i'd pour it on the keyboard but i think that it's somewhat sealed away from the mobo |
| 17:25.36 | kerio | and opening this laptop is somewhat of a bitch |
| 17:27.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are air inlet apertures on the bottom of the laptop |
| 17:27.17 | kerio | not here |
| 17:27.18 | kerio | :) |
| 17:27.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | might work |
| 17:27.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh, a toughbook? |
| 17:27.38 | kerio | macbook pro |
| 17:27.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 17:27.48 | kerio | to be fair, it's still kinda tough |
| 17:27.59 | kerio | fell on its corner from about a meter, nothing broke |
| 17:28.02 | kerio | only a bump on the chassis |
| 17:28.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | well for macbook I heard you can use the 3.5mm headset jack |
| 17:28.25 | kerio | neat! |
| 17:28.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | with a thin flexible tube |
| 17:29.14 | kerio | oh my god scipy's fortran is horrible, according to gcc47 |
| 17:29.24 | kerio | all the warnings |
| 17:37.17 | kerio | but apparently everything works |
| 17:37.17 | kerio | yay |
| 17:38.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems I heard writing a fortran program that compiles without warnings is evidently impossible |
| 17:38.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | but seriously, FORTRAN??? |
| 17:40.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf scipy? |
| 17:41.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | or is this the geek speak for "excuse my French"? |
| 17:41.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | "damn, this program has a horrible FORTRAN" |
| 17:43.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | which, honestly, sounds like "oh this water is very wet" |
| 17:44.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | mumbles "DATION ALPHIC" |
| 17:44.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops that been perl |
| 17:44.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | pearl actually |
| 17:46.46 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: legacy shit, i guess |
| 17:47.07 | kerio | i even had to symlink gfortran-4.7 to gfortran, because i didn't know how to specify the path to gfortran |
| 17:47.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | LEGACY?? damn, it seems nobody even used fortran90 any more |
| 17:48.35 | kerio | that's what you'd hope |
| 17:49.28 | kerio | but numerical analysts aren't quite as interested in programming as they are about numerical analysis :) |
| 17:53.44 | kerio | Various NumPy modules use FORTRAN 77 libraries, so you’ll also need a FORTRAN 77 compiler installed. |
| 17:53.47 | kerio | what the FUCK |
| 18:00.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy |
| 18:00.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | numerical analysts |
| 18:02.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Q: what is common denominator of FORTRAN, BASIC, COBOL, and web programming (aka javascript etc)? A: All 4 are made for target audience that rather never should touch computers |
| 18:04.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess spaghetti code been invented by italian housewives who thought they want to learn about computers |
| 18:05.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/want to learn/want to learn BASICs/ |
| 18:08.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | the real programmer: "if you can't code it in FORTRAN, code it in assembler. If you can't code it in assembler, it's not worth getting coded at all" |
| 18:09.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and "the real programer can write FORTRAN in any arbitrary language" |
| 18:11.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www-personal.edfac.usyd.edu.au/staff/souters/Humour/Real.Programmer.Stories.html |
| 18:14.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Real Programmers do List Processing in FORTRAN. |
| 18:14.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | Real Programmers do String Manipulation in FORTRAN. |
| 18:14.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Real Programmers do Accounting (if they do it at all) in FORTRAN. |
| 18:14.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Real Programmers do Artificial Intelligence programs in FORTRAN. |
| 18:14.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | If you can't do it in FORTRAN, do it in assembly language. If you can't do it in assembly language, it isn't worth doing. |
| 18:27.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>The problem with these editors is that Real Programmers consider "what you see is what you get" to be just as bad a concept in Text Editors as it is in Women. No, the Real Programmer wants a "you asked for it, you got it" text editor -- complicated, cryptic, powerful, unforgiving, dangerous<< LOL |
| 18:41.01 | kerio | The proportion of Real Programmers in Computer Graphics is somewhat lower than the norm, mostly because nobody has found a use for Computer Graphics yet. On the other hand, all Computer Graphics is done in FORTRAN, so there are a fair number people doing Graphics in order to avoid having to write COBOL programs. |
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| 20:58.48 | merlin1991 | regarding the editor |
| 20:59.52 | merlin1991 | I still have to find out which shortcut I hit in vim when I suddenly duplicate stuff, I always hit it by accident when I want to save :D |
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