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| 10:51.24 | infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 11:29.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | to all devels: |
| 11:30.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | could you pretty please have a look into apt-cache and, on apt-cahe policy (et al), make it print the *whole* URL of the repository? It can't be a complicated patch, probably not taking longer than 30min, incl packaging and uploading to repo |
| 11:33.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I even would do it myself if I had a working sb environment here |
| 11:33.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | but the overhead to install sb is factors larger than the patch itself |
| 11:34.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you insist, I could point you to the exact source lines that need edits, as well as the type of edit it takes |
| 11:35.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I guess that's an insult for any of you |
| 11:35.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
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| 12:08.11 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: extras-devel.merlin1991.at community-testing.merlin1991.at |
| 12:08.24 | merlin1991 | huh |
| 12:08.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed huh? |
| 12:09.06 | kerio | apt-cache policy prints the repos' domains |
| 12:09.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: what you're trying to tell me? |
| 12:09.24 | kerio | i'm giving you a temporary workaround |
| 12:09.30 | kerio | i'm sorry, i won't do it anymore |
| 12:10.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | temporary workaround for what? how? |
| 12:10.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you're doing what anymore? |
| 12:10.45 | kerio | those are almost mirrors of extras-devel and community-testing |
| 12:10.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | you honestly lost me completely |
| 12:11.15 | kerio | and they'll let you identify the repo a package is from because the domain is different |
| 12:11.25 | kerio | in the output of apt-cache policy |
| 12:11.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 12:11.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't help me usually |
| 12:11.54 | kerio | hm, why? |
| 12:12.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache policy wireless-tools |
| 12:12.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | wireless-tools: |
| 12:12.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.35 | kerio | oh, you want to know if it's ssu or apps |
| 12:12.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | or tools, like here |
| 12:12.59 | kerio | wait, tools? |
| 12:13.04 | kerio | isn't that on rmo? |
| 12:13.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 12:13.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Wireless_Tools |
| 12:13.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation |
| 12:14.01 | kerio | ...so it *is* rmo |
| 12:14.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 12:14.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | seriously? |
| 12:14.20 | kerio | deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free |
| 12:14.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed :-o |
| 12:14.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | so wtf told me that apt-cache then? |
| 12:15.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | see how urgently it needs a patch? |
| 12:15.46 | kerio | it's on both dmncs and on fremantle/tools |
| 12:16.53 | kerio | and it's the same package down to md5sum |
| 12:16.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks for pointing me at that detail that I missed |
| 12:17.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | however the root issue is about apt-cache |
| 12:17.25 | kerio | it's not apt's fault that nokia botched the repositories badly |
| 12:18.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | it does some insane filtering/cropping on URL that probably just needs to get commented out |
| 12:18.19 | kerio | you do multiple repositories by having multiple distributions, not by changing directory |
| 12:18.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I do nothing |
| 12:18.54 | kerio | nokia did rmo like that |
| 12:18.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache does too much |
| 12:18.58 | kerio | and we can't change it |
| 12:19.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | we can change apt-cache |
| 12:19.28 | kerio | go ahead then |
| 12:19.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is what I asked for |
| 12:19.36 | kerio | apt feels like the kind of thing that's an absolute hell to change |
| 12:19.43 | kerio | unless you know the whole design |
| 12:19.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | nonsense |
| 12:20.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG changed apt-get to kick out some nokia-borne botch |
| 12:20.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess patching apt-get is way easier even than apt-get |
| 12:21.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess patching apt-cache is way easier even than apt-get |
| 12:23.36 | kerio | hm, i wonder if this new rcS-late will fuck up my boot |
| 12:24.25 | kerio | also, i wonder if /etc/event.d/rcS-late.dpkg-old will fuck the boot process up |
| 12:25.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | any bogus files in /etc/event.d sound like a pretty bad idea |
| 12:25.55 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: kicking out the nokia bits was easy |
| 12:26.02 | merlin1991 | because the nokia source was an upstream tarball + patches |
| 12:26.11 | merlin1991 | remove one patch and you kicked stuff out clean :) |
| 12:27.32 | merlin1991 | hm actually in the case of apt it was a configure flag: cd build && CXXFLAGS="$(confcxxflags)" ../configure --disable-block-hidden $(confflags) |
| 12:34.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: grepping the source for the string "Version table:" should yield some rough location of where to do that probably 2char patch |
| 12:35.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | // |
| 12:35.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P |
| 12:36.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: could you point me to a URL where apt-cache source is available online so I don't have to git pull it or whatever? |
| 12:39.43 | merlin1991 | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/apt/trees/master ;) |
| 12:40.09 | merlin1991 | and if you want it locally, there is a download master as tar.gz button on the right |
| 12:42.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 12:44.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/apt/blobs/master/cmdline/apt-cache.cc#line1603 |
| 12:49.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/apt/blobs/master/cmdline/apt-cache.cc#line1619 is the line that does the print |
| 12:49.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Indx->Describe(true).c_str()); |
| 12:53.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | and aiui http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/apt/blobs/master/cmdline/apt-cache.cc#line1615 SrcList->FindIndex(VF.File(),Indx is what populates Indx |
| 12:57.38 | kerio | ah fuck it didn't |
| 12:57.46 | kerio | i mean, it did |
| 12:58.01 | kerio | this fucking shit right here |
| 12:58.05 | kerio | it's a package known to cause problems |
| 12:58.06 | kerio | but noooooooo |
| 12:58.12 | kerio | let's leave it in |
| 12:59.34 | merlin1991 | kerio: wth you on about? |
| 12:59.39 | kerio | system-services |
| 13:00.02 | kerio | fucking up my boot |
| 13:02.05 | merlin1991 | when will you learn to dpkg-diver changes to files that have been packaged? |
| 13:02.11 | merlin1991 | *dpkg-divert* |
| 13:02.50 | kerio | dpkg-divert doesn't work correctly for configuration files |
| 13:02.52 | kerio | it leaves shit around |
| 13:03.03 | kerio | and i told the new system-services to not generate fstab |
| 13:03.21 | kerio | and it's not generated |
| 13:03.22 | merlin1991 | but did you keep your old fstab though? |
| 13:03.30 | kerio | yeah, it's not generated anymore |
| 13:05.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | can any of you tell me why we messed with this already fubar fstab generation? |
| 13:06.10 | kerio | well, i don't quite know how to fix this |
| 13:09.09 | kerio | ok, restored the old rcS-late |
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| 13:10.17 | kerio | alright, the old rcS-late makes it work |
| 13:10.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't the only correct way to touch such stuff (when touching it at all) be to ask in /etc/sysconfig (or whatever) whether to keep the classic way to autogenerate fstab on each boot, or not touch fstab at all? |
| 13:10.53 | kerio | no no, you don't get it |
| 13:10.59 | kerio | the new rcS-late is supposed to handle that |
| 13:11.01 | kerio | and it kinda does |
| 13:11.08 | kerio | but there's some problem, and it doesn't work correctly |
| 13:11.12 | kerio | the idea and design are sound |
| 13:11.21 | kerio | it's configurable via a file in /etc/ |
| 13:11.39 | kerio | and it's fstype-agnostic |
| 13:12.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't see the problem from a inserted line if ! [ -f /etc/dont-touch-fstab ]; then... |
| 13:12.56 | kerio | it's a bigger change |
| 13:13.02 | kerio | it also handles, in theory, different filesystem types |
| 13:13.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that's beyond the top |
| 13:13.35 | kerio | no it's not, it's perfectly doable |
| 13:13.44 | kerio | and if you don't do that, it's simply useless to allow a static fstab |
| 13:13.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's nonsense |
| 13:14.03 | kerio | because 90% of people who'll use it want to do so to use a different fs |
| 13:14.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what? |
| 13:14.36 | kerio | so, if you have to manually change rcS-late to do so, you might as well also manually disable the fstab generation |
| 13:14.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | do they need friggin automatism to detect what fs they manually installed on their MyDocs? |
| 13:15.03 | kerio | no, but it doesn't require home to be ext3 and mydocs to be vfat |
| 13:15.16 | kerio | it just rolls with whatever fstab says |
| 13:15.40 | kerio | unlike the stock rcS-late |
| 13:15.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, then where's the problem? |
| 13:15.49 | kerio | the problem is that it doesn't work :3 |
| 13:16.02 | kerio | and diagnosing boot issues is a PITA |
| 13:16.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | omg, a "mount -a" fails? |
| 13:17.06 | kerio | it wants to do the nokia thing and check that home is mounted rw and not ro |
| 13:17.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.24 | kerio | also, you meant `mount /home && swapon -a` |
| 13:25.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | the check for home being mounted r/w and not r/o has to go after the "fi" if above if's else branch |
| 13:25.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Of* above if's... |
| 13:30.38 | kerio | i see a lot of talking and not a lot of .diffs |
| 13:30.56 | kerio | don't steal my style |
| 13:34.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | wut? |
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| 19:27.55 | ketil_k | Hello |
| 19:30.04 | ketil_k | I installed cssu testing on maemo PR1.3.1, but didn't understand how to do it correctly so now I have a desktop that is stuck at a wrong zoom level and which every widget stacks upon each others so I can't really start anything |
| 19:31.59 | ketil_k | never mind, I will try restoring the rootfs with backupmenu. Forgot about that possibility |
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| 20:22.21 | merlin1991 | ketil_k: the wiki clearly states that you have to rearrange the desktop widgets once |
| 20:23.04 | merlin1991 | regarding zoom level, we took that functionality out, it can? not happen |
| 20:23.06 | ketil_k | The problem was that I was not able to do the rearrangements |
| 20:23.16 | ketil_k | Maybe zoom was wrong |
| 20:23.19 | merlin1991 | did the desktop stay in the middle like zoomed out? |
| 20:23.28 | merlin1991 | with black space around it? |
| 20:23.58 | ketil_k | Yes with black space |
| 20:24.17 | ketil_k | The part of the top bar that could start applications was not reachable |
| 20:24.28 | merlin1991 | if it wawsw like http://cdnm.at/~christian/maemo/cssu/Screenshot-20130609-230706.png |
| 20:24.37 | ketil_k | I restored my backup and try again now |
| 20:24.40 | merlin1991 | then you could reach it only the zone to press is the original one |
| 20:24.46 | merlin1991 | a simple reboot fixed it for me when that happened |
| 20:25.19 | ketil_k | No it wasn't like that. Everything was stacked on top of each other so I could do nothing |
| 20:25.29 | merlin1991 | the stacked thing is a nother story :) |
| 20:25.51 | merlin1991 | I'm just talking about the zoom |
| 20:26.08 | merlin1991 | so in other words a reboot + rearranging of your icons after that should have fixed everything |
| 20:26.22 | ketil_k | I hope it works better this time. |
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| 20:26.50 | merlin1991 | o_O Mag is in |
| 20:27.06 | merlin1991 | hey there MohammadAG :) |
| 20:28.57 | ketil_k | I could not open any terminals and even though I managed to connect to the network I didn't get any ssh-connection so I couldn't do anything at all from any user interface. Anyway, if it works this time then it was probably a broken install. |
| 20:29.46 | merlin1991 | nah it's rather a hiccup in the graphics driver / hildon-desktop, it happens once upon a time |
| 20:29.55 | merlin1991 | did for me about a week ago |
| 20:41.29 | ketil_k | This time the device is normal. I now understand that I installed too much too soon the last time. |
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