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| 14:45.58 | Estel_ | hey, freemangordon, why aren't you there :http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=89416 ...yet? |
| 14:46.13 | Estel_ | Considering how work there progresses, it looks like dream coming true |
| 14:46.32 | Estel_ | can't believe I've missed this thread before |
| 14:46.46 | Estel_ | (hint: Maemo rebased on debian squeeze) |
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| 14:51.53 | discopig | hi |
| 14:52.20 | discopig | i saw that hread too Estel_, it seems like it would be amazing |
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| 15:39.54 | freemangordon | Estel_: I guess I still don't like the idea of spreading the resources :) |
| 15:41.00 | kerio | i'm not quite conviced that it's doable |
| 15:41.40 | freemangordon | and honestly, I don;t see what is the final goal |
| 15:42.07 | kerio | freemangordon: updated everything |
| 15:42.18 | freemangordon | kerio: everything what? |
| 15:42.23 | kerio | all the things! |
| 15:42.26 | freemangordon | see what has happened with pixman |
| 15:42.38 | kerio | yeah, that's why it's not quite doable imo |
| 15:42.41 | freemangordon | do you think it is the only package to be broken in upstream? |
| 15:43.17 | freemangordon | I am not sure the approach "lets upgrade everything and hope it will work" is the correct one |
| 15:43.37 | freemangordon | I believe the approach taken by CSSU is more sane |
| 15:44.33 | kerio | to be fair, upgrading everything to get a list of what's broken is also a noble effort |
| 15:44.50 | freemangordon | kerio: this would be a nightmare |
| 15:45.06 | kerio | adds the debian squeeze armel repos and dist-upgrades |
| 15:45.14 | freemangordon | hehe |
| 15:45.19 | freemangordon | wish you luck |
| 15:45.49 | kerio | echo http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze free non-free >> /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade #yolo |
| 15:46.19 | kerio | because #yolo is both a twitter hashtag and a shellscript comment! :D |
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| 16:13.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Whois] discopig is ~discopig@unaffiliated/discopig (pig) |
| 16:13.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Whois] discopig is a user on channels: #maemo #maemo-ssu #meego #mer #nemomobile |
| 16:13.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Whois] discopig has been online since 2013-03-21 16:13:57. |
| 16:13.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Whois] Estel_ is ~Estel@Maemo/community/contributor/Estel- (Piotr Jawidzyk) |
| 16:13.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Whois] Estel_ is a user on channels: #maemo-meeting #maemo-ssu #mer #nemomobile |
| 16:13.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Whois] Estel_ has been online since 2013-03-21 13:01:54. |
| 16:13.51 | discopig | DocScrutinizer05, |
| 16:17.35 | Raimu | freemangordon, what's happened with pixman, then? |
| 16:18.05 | kerio | Raimu: a bugfix or a change of some sorts in pixman caused problems with other packages when pixman was updated |
| 16:18.32 | kerio | and pixman is fairly important |
| 16:19.36 | kerio | freemangordon: is 0.29.2-2+0m5+0cssu0 safe to upgrade to? |
| 16:20.25 | Raimu | Uh, something beyond those two graphical glitches I reported? |
| 16:21.00 | Raimu | I'm using 0.29.2 and so far everything's good. |
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| 19:00.17 | freemangordon | Raimu: i meant the performance regression |
| 19:01.22 | freemangordon | kerio: It should be, I am using it on my "main" device, no problems so far |
| 19:05.29 | kerio | boots |
| 19:05.31 | kerio | yay |
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| 20:21.42 | luf | Is someone using new libxml2 2.8.0 from cssu-devel? |
| 20:22.07 | freemangordon | luf: recently I did apt-get upgrade, so I guess yes, I am using it :) |
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| 20:24.04 | luf | freemangordon: good to know ... |
| 20:25.30 | luf | BTW what about some meeting? |
| 20:27.13 | freemangordon | 15:50 <freemangordon> merlin1991: which reminds me... when will be the next meeting? |
| 20:27.14 | freemangordon | <merlin1991> well next thursday or later |
| 20:28.14 | luf | freemangordon: IT seems like two weeks old conversation :D |
| 20:28.53 | freemangordon | luf: well, pester merlin1991, I am all for meeting too :). There are tons of new things ;) |
| 20:29.39 | luf | freemangordon: I'm quiet lazy last 2 weeks ... so I can't pester anyone |
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| 20:47.47 | luf | freemangordon: are you planning to upgrade Xorg on N900 ? |
| 20:50.42 | freemangordon | luf: hmm, never thought about that :) |
| 20:51.00 | freemangordon | luf: though I guess we can "upgrade" to 1.7 |
| 20:51.18 | freemangordon | from 1.6.99 |
| 20:53.59 | luf | freemangordon: that I ment ... |
| 20:54.47 | freemangordon | luf: what;ll be the gain? |
| 20:55.24 | freemangordon | luf: we are about 20-30 commits before 1.7 release |
| 20:55.44 | luf | freemangordon: no idea. I'm just asking as I read history ... and you mentioned it with pixman ... |
| 20:56.32 | freemangordon | luf: AIUI this is the only major thing we're missing, the fix for abusing pixman |
| 20:58.07 | luf | :) |
| 20:58.43 | freemangordon | luf: but I forward ported the workaround to 0.29.2, it seems to work, so... |
| 20:59.57 | luf | freemangordon: doesn't it slowdown the pixman? |
| 21:00.18 | freemangordon | hmm, I don;t think so |
| 21:03.42 | freemangordon | luf: BTW I expect major microb rendering speedup from new pixman |
| 21:04.05 | luf | freemangordon: when you plan to release new microb? |
| 21:05.00 | freemangordon | luf: we have a pile of new stuff on the plate, lets have new CSSU-T and CSSU-thumb out first |
| 21:05.16 | freemangordon | so I guess for the next after new -T |
| 21:05.40 | freemangordon | hmm, I hope chem|st still wants to maintain -S |
| 21:05.55 | luf | freemangordon: ahhh ok. :( |
| 21:06.40 | freemangordon | luf: does not matter to hurry. though I might rethink for -thumb |
| 21:06.55 | freemangordon | s/does not matter/makes no sense/ |
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| 21:08.43 | luf | freemangordon: :) |
| 21:09.51 | luf | freemangordon: what is the reason to still have -T and -thumb? What has to be done before switch to thumb with -T? |
| 21:10.04 | freemangordon | luf: kernel |
| 21:10.29 | freemangordon | luf: and agreement :) |
| 21:21.47 | luf | freemangordon: hopefully the kernel upgrade is going in near future ... (at least with thumb patch). |
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| 22:03.08 | Estel_ | freemangordon, hm, I think it could be productive if you would share those arguments in that thread, generally, sensible people there |
| 22:03.55 | Estel_ | I think that those are very valid arguments. OTOH; upgrading to squeeze and hammering bugs, while titanic (excuse pun) work, if suceed, would allow to much easier hammering out future bugs |
| 22:04.23 | Estel_ | i.e. it's like moving forward with all those years maemo packages were behind, just at 5x speed |
| 22:04.48 | Estel_ | if mainstream would be "caught", it would be much easier to keep pace afterwards, at normal speed |
| 22:05.17 | Estel_ | not sure if doable as a whole, but would be great |
| 22:06.33 | Estel_ | otherwise, only one way for future-future would be rebasing HD on Mer... otherwise, with years to come, it would get harder and harder to port anything (tm) with dependencies breaking compatibility with our ancient versions etc |
| 22:06.54 | Raimu-X | Heh, hildon appman keeps wanting me to "upgrade" my Fennec 17.0 into cssu-thumb's Fennec 17.0alpha. :) |
| 22:07.28 | kerio | Raimu: do eeeet |
| 22:07.34 | Estel_ | Also, from a different and much less meritocratic barrel, I don't see most of hildon@squeeze core contributors in cssu. They don't have time for spending hours on irc |
| 22:07.52 | Raimu | I guess something in the alpha's version numbering makes apt-get think it's later than the final 17.0 |
| 22:07.54 | Estel_ | and the later seems like only way to get own contribution merged into cssu nowadays :P |
| 22:08.44 | Raimu | kerio: Try this one out! http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1331064&postcount=37 |
| 22:09.04 | Estel_ | In my book cssu, while super-great and epic, isn't very friendly welcoming new casual contributions, for reasons i don't understand. It looks that you're either cssu maniac, or gtfo |
| 22:09.12 | kerio | Raimu: i don't use fennec |
| 22:09.20 | Raimu | Okies. |
| 22:10.20 | Estel_ | anyway, ade's and idont cases seems to indicate that, and I think cssu still don't get how huge impact for anti-encouraging to contribute it had on dozens of people |
| 22:12.14 | Estel_ | especially bb-p case, as, with respect to cssu, bb-p is more popular (also amongst coding gurus) than cssu itself, despite having no banner on main page ;), and iDont is hero for many coders. If he was treaten like that, what less able coder can expect? |
| 22:13.24 | Estel_ | well, so much food for thought from me, going back to [strike]playing homeworld on N900[/strike] mastering art of coding for maemo in scratchbox vm ;) |
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