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| 09:12.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | Morning! |
| 09:12.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | (our friends at big N)>> |
| 09:12.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | If I may, one additional question: As GPG supports expiration date |
| 09:12.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | extension, is it possible to just update the GPG key expiration date in |
| 09:12.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | the N900 device as well? |
| 09:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | In other words, if we'd update the key in the Akamai/SSU end (this is |
| 09:12.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | already done), and then we'd update the key in the N900 device, would |
| 09:12.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | that still keep the trust chain intact so stuff could be downloaded to |
| 09:12.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | the device from the SSU? |
| 09:12.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | << |
| 09:13.56 | jonwil | The root issue is that there is only one way to get things onto a stock N900 right now and that's from a repo signed with that one special Nokia key (assuming Nokia still has it) |
| 09:14.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd answer "yes, but how?" |
| 09:15.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | summons Pali |
| 09:15.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | how's N900 determining that the key expired? |
| 09:16.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly: would it help to set system clock to 2010? |
| 09:16.59 | thedead1440 | I think not as it will sync with server time |
| 09:17.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | YAY |
| 09:17.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | would've been too simple |
| 09:17.24 | thedead1440 | :D |
| 09:18.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what's been your results regarding that magic key that never expires, could they sign the repo with it and it would work? |
| 09:18.52 | thedead1440 | i think so because on Harmattan the key used for repos has no expiry date too and it works |
| 09:19.28 | thedead1440 | maybe they realized not to put an expiry date hence HARM won't have this issue according to Jonni |
| 09:19.55 | thedead1440 | so using a key with no expiry date on N900s would not have issues too AFAIK |
| 09:22.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | DAMN, which fool quoted full mail on wiki?? |
| 09:23.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | *SIGH* |
| 09:23.06 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: there's no such thing as a "chain" of trust for apt-secure |
| 09:23.21 | kerio | and the key isn't communicated |
| 09:23.51 | kerio | the way it works is that repositories usually ship their own key in a package |
| 09:23.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm thoroughly pissed |
| 09:24.08 | kerio | and that package is updated long before the key is set to expire |
| 09:24.28 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how does one delete confidential content from a wiki? |
| 09:24.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | do you think I'm too stupid to post shit on wiki myself? |
| 09:25.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: good luck with that |
| 09:25.23 | kerio | are deleted pages' histories kept? |
| 09:25.27 | thedead1440 | it wasn't me; just saying... |
| 09:25.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | congrats to whomever been that fool |
| 09:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and evetually I'll check the history to find out |
| 09:26.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | why didn't you add a linkedin-link? |
| 09:26.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | >:-( |
| 09:26.58 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: only me then you then kerio and after than 212.186.52.166 has edited it |
| 09:27.13 | thedead1440 | s/than/that/ |
| 09:28.09 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: where was the email quoted? |
| 09:36.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, nm. i should take an out time |
| 09:36.08 | kerio | ? |
| 09:36.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
| 09:36.23 | kerio | did you confuse your mail and the wiki? |
| 09:36.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | my fault |
| 09:36.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | kinda |
| 09:36.54 | kerio | i'd go to sleep |
| 09:37.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 09:38.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, I quoted matti's last mail above, if you have a good answer to send back to him, forward it to me please |
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| 14:09.18 | jonwil | Anyone here know what the license for libcpaboutcssu happens to be? I cant find any license attached to it... |
| 14:12.28 | merlin1991 | then (c) Mag |
| 14:12.37 | merlin1991 | jonwil: why do you need to know that? |
| 14:13.23 | jonwil | because I may want to use it as an easy starting point for cloning libcpinternetsettings (i.e. it already has makefile, debian packaging, etc etc ready to go for a control panel applet and its easy to base from :) |
| 14:14.07 | merlin1991 | to be sure you can ask mag, but I bet he has no problem if you slap a gpl header onto your copy |
| 14:14.41 | jonwil | hmmm, looks like osso-applet-display is even easier to use as a base :) |
| 14:14.44 | jonwil | and thats already GPL |
| 14:14.46 | jonwil | so lets use that :) |
| 14:15.39 | jonwil | first though I need to confirm exactly what my target(s) are by checking some dependency info on these packages |
| 14:16.01 | jonwil | I suspect part of the work will mean updating libconnui-dev :) |
| 14:16.21 | jonwil | since I doubt it supports all the functions I will need :P |
| 14:21.01 | freemangordon | jonwil: don't use autotools, merlin1991 and Pali will moan :D |
| 14:21.23 | jonwil | I have no plan to use autotools |
| 14:21.26 | freemangordon | ok |
| 14:21.38 | jonwil | osso-applet-display does not use it so I wont |
| 14:22.11 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: :D |
| 14:23.34 | jonwil | damn, I cant find the package name I want |
| 14:23.52 | jonwil | I dont see it listed in the reverse dependencies for hildon-control-panel |
| 14:24.08 | jonwil | Lets see if its in the reverse dependencies for libconnui |
| 14:26.36 | jonwil | ok, its connui-iapsettings that has what I want in it :) |
| 14:30.03 | jonwil | ok, question for the CSSU guys, connui-iapsettings contains 3 different binaries. For CSSU purposes can I create a clone of one and not of the other 2 or do we need to replace the entire package? |
| 14:38.18 | merlin1991 | hm what's the (c) on the package? |
| 14:39.00 | jonwil | its closed source so I suspect its the standard (c) nokia stuff |
| 14:39.08 | kerio | jonwil: (c) Nokia we can rehost, i think |
| 14:39.25 | merlin1991 | there's only a problem if it's (c) not nokia |
| 14:39.42 | kerio | if it's not, clone everything :P |
| 14:39.59 | jonwil | libconnui_iapsettings.so isn't exactly easy to clone |
| 14:40.01 | kerio | or do the usual divert thing |
| 14:40.05 | jonwil | but that said, I should take a look at it anyway |
| 14:40.20 | jonwil | and confirm just how hard it might be to do |
| 14:40.40 | jonwil | although a good place to start might be connui-iapsettings-gprs since thats what started this whole thing |
| 14:40.57 | jonwil | the desire to be able to do more with GPRS AP configuration without needing to use gconf |
| 14:41.05 | jonwil | that one is only a 9k ARM binary :) |
| 14:42.08 | jonwil | bad news is that it exports 2 functions with no known signature, at least one of which seems to take a data structure of unknown format |
| 14:44.13 | jonwil | this damn connectivity UI has been a thorn in my side ever since I first found out it existed :( |
| 14:50.47 | jonwil | if only https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11923 had been able to be resolved somehow... :P |
| 14:50.51 | povbot_ | Bug 11923: release header files for libconnui,libconnui-cellular,libconbtui0,connui-conndlgs |
| 14:51.42 | jonwil | but unfortunately it never went anywhere :( |
| 15:02.18 | jonwil | Neither did my plan to somehow acquire that copy of ARM Hex-Rays :P |
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| 17:54.59 | kerio | merlin1991: community-testing-light pls |
| 18:00.11 | merlin1991 | kerio: relax pls |
| 18:00.42 | kerio | nah |
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| 18:09.19 | merlin1991 | kerio: I can give you comunity-testing-light but it will have an AAAA dns entry |
| 18:10.33 | kerio | noooo :c |
| 18:10.39 | kerio | i don't have ipv6 |
| 18:11.12 | kerio | would it still go on the same server? |
| 18:11.13 | luf | merlin1991: Nice punishment for kerio :D |
| 18:11.24 | merlin1991 | yes |
| 18:11.30 | kerio | then go right ahead |
| 18:11.46 | merlin1991 | only someone on tmo reported weird issues with cssu-devel because of hte AAAA entry |
| 18:13.12 | kerio | perhaps it's best to not use AAAA entries then |
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| 18:16.19 | merlin1991 | hm lets see |
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| 18:32.15 | merlin1991 | kerio: http://community-testing.merlin1991.at/ |
| 18:32.46 | kerio | name = Communit SSU |
| 18:33.15 | merlin1991 | fixed |
| 18:34.47 | merlin1991 | full setup, signed by my key, onle the latest and greatest with daily cronjob |
| 18:34.51 | kerio | ^_^ |
| 18:35.18 | kerio | merlin1991: downloads.maemo.nokia.com-light pls |
| 18:35.26 | merlin1991 | don't have a copy |
| 18:35.34 | kerio | how would someone mirror that? |
| 18:35.44 | kerio | i never found a way to access it outside of apt on the n900 |
| 18:36.00 | merlin1991 | you just need user + pw for it |
| 18:36.10 | kerio | firefox doesn't even ask for the password |
| 18:36.17 | merlin1991 | it does not challange for it |
| 18:36.22 | merlin1991 | you need to send it first hand |
| 18:37.14 | kerio | firefox still doesn't make it work |
| 18:38.02 | merlin1991 | firefox is not exactly intelligent |
| 18:38.10 | merlin1991 | wget with --no-auth-challange works |
| 18:39.34 | kerio | curl too |
| 18:40.02 | merlin1991 | I suggested wget because quite a few distributions don't ship curl by default |
| 18:40.12 | merlin1991 | (ie maemo doesn't even build the binary) |
| 18:40.30 | kerio | that's why you install it |
| 18:40.33 | kerio | because curl > wget |
| 18:40.44 | kerio | although "curl" < "wget" |
| 18:42.14 | merlin1991 | yep :D |
| 18:42.20 | merlin1991 | curl -O > wget ;) |
| 18:47.53 | merlin1991 | btw kerio downloads.maemo.nokia.com is light already |
| 18:48.06 | kerio | i guess |
| 18:48.24 | merlin1991 | it's only repo.maemo.org which is kinda retarded |
| 19:17.43 | luf | merlin1991: maemo+cssu has curl AFAIK |
| 19:18.09 | merlin1991 | yes |
| 19:18.14 | merlin1991 | but not without cssu |
| 19:18.38 | luf | Yeah. I never understood why. |
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| 19:34.12 | kerio | curl is optional |
| 19:37.52 | kerio | it's not even in the metapackage |
| 19:38.57 | kerio | DMNC only hosts libcurl3 because that's what's needed |
| 19:39.06 | kerio | users aren't supposed to touch the terminal, or something like that |
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| 20:18.27 | merlin1991 | oh shit, my server is soon to hit the monthly trafic "limit" :D |
| 20:18.46 | merlin1991 | this month it already transmitted 1/8 of last years traffic :D |
| 20:29.34 | kerio | :c |
| 20:29.38 | kerio | will you have to pay money? |
| 20:29.47 | merlin1991 | nah |
| 20:29.56 | kerio | then what kind of limit is it? |
| 20:30.06 | merlin1991 | also I just realized that I'M far far away from the limit |
| 20:30.09 | merlin1991 | friggin smal fonts |
| 20:30.15 | merlin1991 | , and . can be mistaken then |
| 20:30.33 | merlin1991 | limit is 10.000 GB |
| 20:38.15 | merlin1991 | still last year was ~800GB now reaching 100GB just for jannuary :D |
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| 20:57.22 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: when do you think you'll ship the next cssu-thumb? |
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| 21:55.56 | MrPingu | merlin1991: 8 feb is he allowed to do so ;) |
| 21:57.01 | MrPingu | Promised me to not release a new thumb till my uptime is 30 days xP |
| 21:57.49 | kerio | well, you don't *have* to upgrade |
| 21:59.40 | MrPingu | kerio: we both know we *have* to ;) |
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