| 00:15.03 | luf | Good. I have first working osso-gnomevfs-extras package :D Of course it's not ideal or fully done but it's working :D | 
| 00:22.54 | luf | If someone want to test/debug (a lot of debug messages is enabled in the code) feel free to use it: http://merlin1991.at/~luf/osso-gnomevfs-extra/ | 
| 00:24.13 | luf | This package gives you possibility to see paired bluetooth devices with obexFTP support and browse them the same way as local N900 :) I'm using it via file manager (ossofilemanager). | 
| 00:24.46 | merlin1991 | luf: you're the man :D | 
| 00:25.24 | Skry | +1 | 
| 00:26.30 | luf | :D No I'm dead ... I'm going to sleep. I'll upload it (without debugs) to git hopefully tomorrow. | 
| 00:27.16 | luf | merlin1991: I have to find the longer time for testing the bluez 4.99 againist Win7. | 
| 00:30.44 | luf | Oh I forget to mention. This version is experimental so it should (and I expect) contain mem leaks and another bugs. | 
| 00:31.07 | luf | I hope freemangordon will review the code once I upload it to the git. | 
| 00:34.41 | luf | Oh I forgot that it also needs patched libhildonfm :) | 
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| 00:36.54 | luf | I'm curious if someone will test it (excluding freemangordon) :D | 
| 00:37.00 | luf | And finally good night ... | 
| 00:37.12 | luf | (or maybe morning) :D | 
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| 10:07.01 | Pali | merlin1991, freemangordon, problem with generating changelogs in scratchbox is fixed | 
| 10:07.09 | Pali | I pushed changes to master | 
| 10:07.22 | freemangordon | Pali: good :) | 
| 10:07.23 | Pali | test if it really working in our scratchboxes :-) | 
| 10:07.29 | freemangordon | ok | 
| 10:11.19 | freemangordon | Pali: now i compiles, but we have the changelog for both 7.1 and 7.2 included :D | 
| 10:11.28 | freemangordon | *it | 
| 10:11.51 | Pali | yes it include changelog since major version | 
| 10:11.59 | Pali | (and major is 7) | 
| 10:12.29 | Pali | I think that we using minor versions (7.x) only for compile and install problems | 
| 10:12.42 | Pali | (like MAGs ke-recv or thumbized binaries :D) | 
| 10:13.05 | freemangordon | Pali: aah, you mean that by design we should have 7, 7.1 and 7.2? | 
| 10:13.25 | Pali | yes | 
| 10:13.25 | freemangordon | ok, it is fine then | 
| 10:13.37 | freemangordon | good | 
| 10:13.47 | Pali | we really should write versioning scheme :D | 
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| 10:16.06 | merlin1991 | well I'm running the version business a bit like this: if nothing new or major comes, or the changes are minor (ie a security fix only) I do a +0.1 if we have a lot of new stuff / a lot of small changes / something comletely new the version goes up to the next full number | 
| 10:17.42 | Pali | merlin1991, now changelog generator append changelog since major version | 
| 10:17.49 | Pali | should I change it? | 
| 10:17.55 | merlin1991 | no that's fine | 
| 10:18.07 | merlin1991 | it makes perfect sense with my version policy | 
| 10:18.33 | Pali | ok | 
| 10:18.57 | Pali | version scheme is here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Development#Version_Scheme | 
| 10:20.22 | merlin1991 | the one for the mp is taken out of that | 
| 10:20.41 | Pali | freemangordon, is zlib1g problem fixed? | 
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| 10:31.48 | luf | Pali: it depends what problem do you mean. We compiled libxml2 againist stock zlib because the new zlib don't correctly generate symbols (I have to take a look if nobody knows or be faster). | 
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| 10:32.27 | Pali | luf, problem with cyclic reboot | 
| 10:32.31 | luf | merlin1991: my program for this week was changed so I can be available on Wednesday from 19:00 CET (18:00 UTC/GMT) | 
| 10:33.24 | luf | Pali: That was due to libxml2 compiled againist new zlib (the quick workaround used was compile libxml2 againist stock zlib). | 
| 10:33.27 | merlin1991 | Pali: do you have time on wednesday? | 
| 10:33.47 | Pali | maybe | 
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| 11:24.17 | merlin1991 | uploaded the new cssu update (cert fix) | 
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| 11:26.40 | *** topic/#maemo-ssu by merlin1991 -> Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version: Testing(2012-12-25): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo7.2; Stable(2012-12-24): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo5 | 
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| 11:29.57 | jonwil | Great that we are able to keep the certificate DB up to date when necessary :) | 
| 11:30.35 | jonwil | Although I suspect given how old browser-engine is, an attack with a compromized certificate is the least of our worries... | 
| 11:30.59 | merlin1991 | yeah, I guess there are a few exploits in the engine | 
| 11:31.19 | freemangordon | well, MTIM attack is not related to browser engine | 
| 11:32.23 | jonwil | Is there a reason that someone hasn't investigated what it would take to update to a newer browser engine? | 
| 11:33.03 | merlin1991 | well I guess there's the time issue | 
| 11:34.09 | freemangordon | luf: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1311773&postcount=1184 | 
| 11:34.19 | freemangordon | I guess it is the same for -testing | 
| 11:34.21 | jonwil | ok, well the place to start is to find the upstream tree that matches the PR1.3 browser-engine and make a local patch of all the local Fremantle changes. Then from there we can see just how hard it would be to move to a newer engine. | 
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| 11:34.47 | freemangordon | jonwil: according to romaxa it is not that hard | 
| 11:35.00 | freemangordon | unfortunately we lack the expertise here to do it | 
| 11:35.15 | jonwil | I guess biggest problem would be if newer browser-engine breaks plugin interfaces for e.g. maps or flash | 
| 11:35.34 | freemangordon | no, flash plugin works with fennec17 | 
| 11:35.39 | jonwil | well I have compiled the Mozilla tree before if that counts as "experience"... | 
| 11:35.48 | jonwil | yeah Flash probably works because that uses NPAPI | 
| 11:35.49 | freemangordon | no, it does not :D | 
| 11:36.06 | freemangordon | the same for maps, as you can enable geoocation in fennec17 | 
| 11:36.19 | jonwil | geolocation just means the GPS plugin | 
| 11:36.23 | freemangordon | yes | 
| 11:36.25 | jonwil | microb-geolocation | 
| 11:36.29 | freemangordon | NFC about maps | 
| 11:36.37 | jonwil | maps is different because it uses xpidl | 
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| 11:45.34 | jonwil | actually, I think I have code in the Mozilla tree somewhere... | 
| 11:47.36 | Pali | merlin1991, it is possible to blacklist CA cert on device? | 
| 11:47.43 | Pali | without needed to update deb package? | 
| 11:48.56 | jonwil | yep I do have code in the Mozilla tree :) | 
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| 11:53.27 | Pali | seems that tool "cmcli" could do that... there is -a param and need to specify "blacklist" domain | 
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| 12:04.49 | luf | freemangordon: you destroy it :D | 
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| 12:06.31 | luf | freemangordon: strange obexd has nothing to do with voice ... | 
| 12:06.51 | luf | freemangordon: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1311847&postcount=1187 | 
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| 12:08.00 | luf | freemangordon: did you also recompile bluez? What version of bluez is in latest thumb? | 
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| 12:43.32 | merlin1991 | Pali: yes you can | 
| 12:44.24 | merlin1991 | you'd have to run "cmcli -c blacklist -a $certpath" and to remove one from the valid domain "cmcli -c common-ca -r $fullcertid" | 
| 12:52.54 | freemangordon | luf: no, bluez is stock one | 
| 12:56.02 | luf | freemangordon: what are new packages in thumb 7.1? | 
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| 13:09.10 | merlin1991 | luf: 7.1 removed the libc dependency, 7 was h-d, ke-recv, systemuil (alarm and powerkey), sms/chat css, statusmenu profile applet and upstart | 
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| 13:13.18 | luf | merlin1991: maybe freemangordon included more in thumb. For sure there is also updated obexd and rtcom-eventlogger-async. | 
| 13:14.13 | merlin1991 | luf: that was in T6 | 
| 13:14.48 | luf | :) Oh the time is so in hurry :D | 
| 13:20.57 | freemangordon | luf: I included obexd from -testing in 7.1 | 
| 13:22.45 | luf | freemangordon: obexd has nothing to do with the audio (another post from same user). | 
| 13:26.40 | freemangordon | luf: hmm, lemme check | 
| 13:27.18 | freemangordon | luf: don;t see how that could be related | 
| 13:28.51 | freemangordon | luf: ke-recv, obexd, camera-ui, openssl, rtcom-eventlogger-async, libmatchbox2, hildon-desktop, gnome-vfs-filechooser-backend | 
| 13:29.00 | freemangordon | this was updated in 7.1 | 
| 13:29.09 | freemangordon | the only thing related is obexd | 
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| 13:29.21 | freemangordon | luf: ^^^ | 
| 13:29.25 | luf | I see. | 
| 13:30.27 | freemangordon | luf: though it still makes no sense. I am using TB handsfree all day | 
| 13:30.31 | freemangordon | *BT | 
| 13:30.51 | freemangordon | let's hope he'll provide sme more info | 
| 13:30.56 | freemangordon | *some | 
| 13:32.45 | freemangordon | luf: please re-read http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1311847&postcount=1187 | 
| 13:33.10 | freemangordon | aiui, his car radio is unaware that there is voice call | 
| 13:33.11 | luf | freemangordon: I'm working on osso-gnomevfs-extra git (if you see my notes in backscroll/history) | 
| 13:33.19 | freemangordon | luf: yep, saw it | 
| 13:33.37 | freemangordon | luf: please, commit your changes | 
| 13:34.16 | luf | freemangordon: yes I posted it to you. That's strange. I don't see how obexd should coincident with this. | 
| 13:34.33 | luf | freemangordon: I have to remove all the debug g_warnings ;) | 
| 13:34.42 | freemangordon | luf: back to the problem - who is supposed to tell build-in radio to switch input from tuner to BT | 
| 13:35.19 | freemangordon | I have no experience with such devices, both cars i have have no BT | 
| 13:35.22 | luf | freemangordon: I think it has to get some audio from phone. | 
| 13:36.05 | luf | Usually there is special box for BT which control the radio using some special contacts. | 
| 13:36.38 | freemangordon | So, BT module does not get audio, despite n900 thinks it is connected to that module? | 
| 13:36.43 | freemangordon | thats weird | 
| 13:36.47 | luf | freemangordon: I don't know if he could check that the cat thinks it's connected. Or if he removed the pairing also from car side. | 
| 13:37.13 | luf | There are too many BT hf ... | 
| 13:37.20 | freemangordon | luf: BTW in thumb 7.1 I added all the packages from the last testing | 
| 13:37.35 | freemangordon | (though not thumb-compiled) | 
| 13:37.54 | luf | freemangordon: last you mean T6? | 
| 13:38.06 | freemangordon | so, thumb 7.1 is almost the same (if not the same) as T7.1 | 
| 13:38.19 | freemangordon | no, I have skiped T6 | 
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| 13:38.33 | freemangordon | thumb jumped from T5.1 to T7.1 | 
| 13:38.44 | luf | freemangordon: yeah that I ment. | 
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| 13:39.11 | freemangordon | iirc there were some PA policy changes | 
| 13:39.22 | freemangordon | Pali: ^^^? | 
| 13:39.25 | luf | freemangordon: that should make sense | 
| 13:39.52 | freemangordon | unfortunately I am not sure what package was that | 
| 13:40.13 | luf | freemangordon: I think I tested it in non-thumb ... | 
| 13:41.34 | freemangordon | that one https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/policy-settings-rx51/trees/master/rx51/policy | 
| 13:41.53 | freemangordon | luf: thumb use the one from -testing | 
| 13:42.08 | freemangordon | hoever, i'll request more info | 
| 13:44.02 | luf | freemangordon: I replied also. However I see you included even more  ... http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1311888&postcount=1190 | 
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| 13:48.45 | freemangordon | That is after the issue was reported | 
| 13:48.48 | freemangordon | iirc | 
| 13:49.29 | freemangordon | luf: "after updating to 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo7.1+thumb0 my in-car handsfree no longer works. i think it is thumb2 obexd related. when i install older obexd files, everything works like it should. | 
| 13:49.30 | freemangordon | cheers | 
| 13:49.35 | freemangordon | " | 
| 13:49.57 | freemangordon | clear enough | 
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| 13:53.48 | luf | I can't believe how newer obexd can destroy even audio ... (maybe some bluetoothd crashes?) | 
| 13:54.37 | freemangordon | luf: could be, but it is clearly stated that weh obexd is reverted, the ptoblem disappears | 
| 13:54.52 | freemangordon | s/weh/when/ | 
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| 14:00.10 | luf | freemangordon: how did you fix the build of libxml2 againist new zlib? | 
| 14:02.06 | freemangordon | luf: doing two-pass build | 
| 14:02.24 | freemangordon | as I explained to you yesterday(iirc) | 
| 14:02.54 | freemangordon | build (patched)libxml2 agains old zlib and install it | 
| 14:03.03 | freemangordon | build and install new zlib | 
| 14:03.10 | freemangordon | build libxml2 again | 
| 14:03.20 | luf | freemangordon: I have to miss something (I see your explanation and see that you built libxml2 againist stock zlib) | 
| 14:03.40 | freemangordon | luf: ^^^ | 
| 14:03.45 | freemangordon | see above | 
| 14:04.01 | luf | Ahhh I missed the last step. | 
| 14:04.09 | freemangordon | ;) | 
| 14:04.36 | freemangordon | before that last step I added dependency to newer zlib in debian/control | 
| 14:04.55 | freemangordon | that way everything is fine (exluding what you reported for shlibs) | 
| 14:05.30 | luf | freemangordon: ok. So I can remove it from my todo ... | 
| 14:05.46 | freemangordon | luf: no, why? | 
| 14:05.50 | freemangordon | that was for -thumb | 
| 14:06.04 | freemangordon | those are still missing from -devel | 
| 14:06.19 | freemangordon | (though -thumb will give much wider audience anyway) | 
| 14:06.23 | luf | is afk | 
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| 14:11.40 | merlin1991 | freemangordon luf please put this into a readme into the git source tree | 
| 14:11.59 | merlin1991 | anybody who wasn't in here is otherwise doomed to fail when attempting to build cssu from sources | 
| 14:12.02 | freemangordon | merlin1991: ok | 
| 14:12.16 | freemangordon | will do it... soon :) | 
| 14:12.46 | freemangordon | merlin1991: have in mind this will be used only once | 
| 14:12.53 | freemangordon | (per repo) | 
| 14:13.11 | merlin1991 | well anybody who tries to upgrade his sb to cssu can run into this | 
| 14:14.16 | freemangordon | no, he can;t | 
| 14:14.27 | freemangordon | as correct debs will be in the repos | 
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| 14:27.56 | merlin1991 | okay anybody who wants todo it from sources | 
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| 15:17.29 | freemangordon | merlin1991: do you have rights to push updates in -stable? | 
| 15:17.46 | freemangordon | aah, wait, chem|st is here | 
| 15:18.20 | freemangordon | chem|st: aiui you should push new -stable update, to blacklist turktrust certificates | 
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| 15:26.12 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: yep I can, remember I did http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable#21.2011.38-1Smaemo4.1_.2805.09.2012.29 | 
| 15:31.37 | merlin1991 | btw freemangordon this: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cssu-stable controls who can upload to stable, and this is for testing: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cssu-testing/ | 
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| 15:36.48 | Estel_ | I've noticed strange behavior of telephone application after latest CSSU update. My whitelist is empty, yet, even with landscape locked from statusmenu applet, phone app rotates | 
| 15:37.02 | Estel_ | I'm pretty sure, that it wasn't rotating before update (or two) | 
| 15:37.08 | Estel_ | can anyone confirm/deny? | 
| 15:37.44 | Estel_ | to be precise - even with landscape lock ON, when i slide keyboard in, during conversation, phone app rotates | 
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| 15:40.26 | merlin1991 | what's it set to in its own settings? | 
| 15:43.32 | merlin1991 | arcean: what should h-d do to the phone app atm when landscape lock is engaged? | 
| 15:45.56 | Estel_ | define own settings for phone app? | 
| 15:46.13 | Estel_ | (re portrait/landscape) | 
| 15:46.50 | merlin1991 | I made mistake, remembered something wrong :D | 
| 15:49.21 | Estel_ | I see. | 
| 15:51.15 | chem|st | freemangordon: already aware | 
| 15:51.27 | chem|st | freemangordon: today or tomorrow | 
| 16:00.06 | arcean | merlin1991: nothing, all depends on the Phone app orientation settings | 
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| 16:07.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: moo | 
| 16:08.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: Testing tolled out? | 
| 16:08.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | rolled even | 
| 16:08.08 | merlin1991 | see topic and tmo | 
| 16:08.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | topic says Latest version: Testing(2012-12-25) | 
| 16:08.38 | merlin1991 | shit you did add dates | 
| 16:08.41 | merlin1991 | I only updated the version | 
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| 16:09.24 | *** topic/#maemo-ssu by merlin1991 -> Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version: Testing(2013-01-07): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo7.2; Stable(2012-12-24): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo5 | 
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| 16:10.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: chem|st: I think quarantine time for this patch to S should be rather short, no? | 
| 16:11.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | like maybe 2..3 days | 
| 16:11.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | my 2 cents | 
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| 16:30.21 | Estel_ | arcean,  what do you mean by "all depends on phone app orientation settings"? You mean blacklist/whitelist, or something else? | 
| 16:31.31 | Estel_ | I don't see any orientation setting in settings-> Phone . Also, phone app isn't whitelisted, so, intuitively, it should keep in landscape, when landscape lock is ON? Also, I'm sure, that before latest updates, it worked that way. | 
| 16:31.37 | Estel_ | Anyone able to confirm/deny? | 
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| 16:31.53 | Estel_ | I mean, specifically, phone ui during active conversation | 
| 16:33.55 | arcean | Estel_: There's "Obsluga nastawiania" button in the phone app menu | 
| 16:36.09 | merlin1991 | btw arcean are you available on wednesday? | 
| 16:37.16 | arcean | merlin1991: in the evening, yes :) | 
| 16:38.00 | merlin1991 | well it's settled then | 
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| 16:38.32 | *** topic/#maemo-ssu by merlin1991 -> Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version: Testing(2013-01-07): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo7.2; Stable(2012-12-24): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo5 | Meeting 9.1.2013 20:00 CET | 
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| 16:41.43 | luf | Maybe I should say goodbye as freemangordon will kill me for sure :D | 
| 16:42.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | luf: shall i hand you a cloak? | 
| 16:42.41 | luf | freemangordon: I'm nearly ready to push osso-gnomevfs-extra changes into git. However I see no way to split it into several commits :( | 
| 16:44.07 | luf | DocScrutinizer05: I still hope that I'll be fast and clever enough to run away :D | 
| 16:44.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 
| 16:45.24 | merlin1991 | luf: is it the code you can't split or what? | 
| 16:45.41 | merlin1991 | because if it 's only a problem with git itself, there I can help | 
| 16:45.56 | merlin1991 | if on the other hand the whole patchset depends on the other parts, then well :P | 
| 16:46.10 | Estel_ | arcean,  thanks, took me a while to find it | 
| 16:46.32 | Estel_ | BTW "Obsluga nastawiana" is epic translation, I should probably blame Nokians for it? | 
| 16:47.36 | Estel_ | so, it's perfectly normal, that phone application totally ignored landscape lock from status menu applet, now? :/ Pity, it was much easier to lock it that way during conversation, than to go into application settings | 
| 16:47.56 | luf | merlin1991: the code. Nearly everything depends on everything (in changes I did) | 
| 16:48.47 | Estel_ | one would think that "lock device in landscape mode" (via status menu) is uber-rule, i.e. overwrite everything. Fuinny enough, I'm really sure it worked that way for phone application, too! Maybe it was a useful feature-bug ;) | 
| 16:49.31 | merlin1991 | Estel_: it *worked* | 
| 16:49.35 | merlin1991 | but then you couldn't deny calls | 
| 16:49.52 | Estel_ | ough, related to hidden button issue? | 
| 16:49.56 | merlin1991 | yep | 
| 16:50.29 | Estel_ | well, I see it as little runctionality loss, but understandable one. Inability to deny calls was even more irritating ;) | 
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| 17:06.44 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: ok then tomorrow | 
| 17:06.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: great | 
| 17:07.25 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: was said before... but the idea of keeping it live for another day before rolling into S is good | 
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| 17:31.22 | freemangordon | luf: kill you? why is that, I told you to split the commits "if possible" :) | 
| 17:31.44 | freemangordon | if it is not, well, not much that can be done | 
| 17:40.32 | freemangordon | Pali: are you sure? | 
| 17:40.40 | Pali | here is right channel :D | 
| 17:40.48 | freemangordon | yep | 
| 17:41.01 | Pali | #maemo: [18:38:59] <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, merlin1991: I have small hildon dialog application which ask user if he want to change Nokia supl server to Google supl | 
| 17:41.38 | freemangordon | Pali: do you have startup script for that? | 
| 17:41.48 | Pali | merlin1991, can you create git repo location-supl-fix on gitorious? | 
| 17:41.52 | Pali | freemangordon, yes | 
| 17:41.53 | freemangordon | I guess it should depend on "started hildon-desktop" | 
| 17:41.56 | freemangordon | great | 
| 17:41.59 | Pali | it is started every time | 
| 17:42.18 | freemangordon | on reboot i guess? | 
| 17:42.26 | Pali | so if you click yes always it will never show dialog again | 
| 17:42.40 | Pali | start on started hildon-destop | 
| 17:42.45 | freemangordon | do you check what is set currently? | 
| 17:43.01 | freemangordon | before showing the dialog | 
| 17:43.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: great for a "fix stuff" pkg to ship with CSSU | 
| 17:43.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | run once on installation, and later on explicit invocation by user | 
| 17:43.44 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: BTW I think VM settings I use for the last 2 years are good to be included there too | 
| 17:44.02 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hmm, no, why explicit invocation | 
| 17:44.14 | freemangordon | you can always use menu applet to change supl | 
| 17:44.37 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, for unknown reason on my n900 supl server is without anything reseted to supl.nokia.com | 
| 17:44.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | plus we need ... ahh you already got that. Seen on #maemo | 
| 17:44.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | 4 buttons | 
| 17:45.07 | Pali | I changed it more times to google and after some time somebody change it back to nokia... | 
| 17:45.14 | Pali | so we need it to start every time | 
| 17:45.36 | freemangordon | Pali: we need to find who is changit that and start it after that | 
| 17:45.44 | freemangordon | *changing | 
| 17:45.44 | Pali | and because after updating/installing CSSU is needed reboot, I did not created postinst script (not needed) | 
| 17:45.54 | freemangordon | :nod: | 
| 17:46.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd first want to see evidence who's changing it back | 
| 17:46.03 | Pali | freemangordon, seems that closed nokia location-proxy | 
| 17:46.15 | freemangordon | is that a daemon? | 
| 17:46.19 | Pali | I already grepped that gconf key | 
| 17:46.31 | Pali | and it is only in control panel aplet | 
| 17:46.35 | Pali | and in that daemon | 
| 17:47.04 | freemangordon | ak, so your startup script should wait for that daemon to start | 
| 17:47.09 | freemangordon | *ok | 
| 17:47.18 | freemangordon | and for hildon-desktop to start | 
| 17:47.51 | Pali | gconf key is /system/nokia/location/supl/server | 
| 17:47.58 | Raimu | An applause for handling the certificate snafu for n900, guys. | 
| 17:48.21 | freemangordon | :) | 
| 17:48.22 | Pali | and is only in these files: etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/%gconf-tree.xm etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/system/nokia/location/supl/%gconf.xml etc/gconf/schemas/location.schemas usr/bin/location-proxy usr/lib/hildon-control-panel/liblocation_applet.so | 
| 17:48.46 | Pali | so I think for unknown reason it is changed by location-proxy... | 
| 17:49.44 | freemangordon | Pali: can;t we include that piece of code in some of the existing daemons ar write a hidden widget, so if it is changed(not on startup but later) to show the dialog? | 
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| 17:51.02 | Pali | freemangordon, I do not know when it is changed, but writing daemon which will run on all devices every time is not good idea... | 
| 17:51.23 | Pali | but we should investigate when it happen.... | 
| 17:51.32 | freemangordon | Pali: that is why my widget idea | 
| 17:51.39 | freemangordon | or hildon-home plugin | 
| 17:51.56 | freemangordon | sorry, hildon-status-menu | 
| 17:52.51 | freemangordon | we'll be able to listen for that gconf key changes and can check for the correct value on hildon-status-menu startup | 
| 17:53.08 | freemangordon | the other option is to RE location-proxy | 
| 17:53.19 | freemangordon | it is not that big, some 19k ARM code | 
| 17:53.59 | freemangordon | oops, wait, where is the daemon binary? | 
| 17:54.09 | freemangordon | Pali: ^^^ | 
| 17:54.24 | Pali | /usr/bin/location-proxy | 
| 17:55.00 | freemangordon | hmm, that one is gigger | 
| 17:55.03 | freemangordon | *bigger | 
| 17:55.11 | freemangordon | 30k | 
| 17:55.15 | freemangordon | too much | 
| 17:57.28 | freemangordon | not impossible, but still | 
| 17:57.58 | freemangordon | wait for the time when ARM HexRays will leak :D | 
| 17:58.28 | kerio | Raimu: note that the actual TURKTRUST CA wasn't removed or blacklisted, only the two mistakenly-released intermediate CAs | 
| 17:58.45 | kerio | which is still not good enough, in my opinion, but it's what mozilla has done | 
| 17:59.21 | freemangordon | will do :) | 
| 17:59.29 | freemangordon | this is what M$ has done | 
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| 17:59.53 | luf | Ugh when I strip off the g_warning logging it core dumps time to time :( | 
| 18:00.19 | freemangordon | luf: you have sp-rich-core installed, ain;t? | 
| 18:00.33 | luf | But I'll push it to the git and after that I'll catch the bug. However the binary I uploaded is ok (with debugs). | 
| 18:00.45 | luf | freemangordon: Yes. Thanks again to you. | 
| 18:01.04 | freemangordon | luf: do you know how to use it? coredump that is? | 
| 18:01.41 | luf | However I see a log of core dumps like Calendar, browserd, cl-launcher, rtcom-messaging ... :) | 
| 18:02.05 | luf | I'll have to make a break and let my wife to use the computer ... | 
| 18:02.06 | freemangordon | do you see your process? | 
| 18:02.11 | freemangordon | aah, ok | 
| 18:02.13 | freemangordon | :) | 
| 18:02.15 | kerio | freemangordon: IMO a certificate authority that fucks up this badly shouldn't be an authority at all | 
| 18:02.30 | luf | Sure I see my proces. I'll investigate it later. | 
| 18:02.38 | luf | Now put the sources to the git. | 
| 18:03.12 | freemangordon | kerio: as I already told you we are not the ones to decide on this. if tomorrow mozilla blacklist root certs, we'll follow | 
| 18:03.18 | freemangordon | luf: great | 
| 18:03.38 | freemangordon | kerio: (maybe we'll follow) | 
| 18:08.23 | luf | freemangordon: osso-gnomevfs-extra pushed to the git | 
| 18:08.32 | luf | is afk | 
| 18:08.32 | freemangordon | good | 
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| 18:22.40 | Lava_Croft | Thank you for the quick update, SSU team(s)! | 
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| 19:45.15 | luf | I need some hint :) | 
| 19:45.48 | luf | Where can I find sfil_li_documents translation (in what package)? | 
| 19:46.26 | freemangordon | <PROTECTED> | 
| 19:46.33 | luf | I need to add there sfil_li_bluetooth ... | 
| 19:46.38 | freemangordon | hmm | 
| 19:47.23 | freemangordon | luf: did you ask google? :P | 
| 19:47.27 | freemangordon | http://alioth.debian.org/anonscm/bzr/pkg-maemo/hildon-fm-l10n/ubuntu/po/hildon-fm.pot | 
| 19:47.32 | luf | I find https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/n900-cssu-translation/ but it doesn't look like something what is up to date ... or related to cssu. | 
| 19:49.00 | freemangordon | luf: seems we have to orward-port thoe from diablo | 
| 19:49.22 | freemangordon | afaik we don;t have hildonfm translation in cssu | 
| 19:49.33 | freemangordon | and I guess it is closed source | 
| 19:49.48 | freemangordon | fortunately it is very easy to RE it | 
| 19:50.36 | luf | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=slovak-l10n;a=summary | 
| 19:51.05 | luf | This seems to be ok (slovak by Pali Rohar - does anybody know him? :D :D) | 
| 19:51.58 | freemangordon | sfil_li_folder_documents? | 
| 19:52.08 | freemangordon | seems ids have changed | 
| 19:54.56 | freemangordon | luf: seems ^^^ is correct for fremantle, you just need to find the id for bluetooth and the others | 
| 19:56.26 | luf | freemangordon: where is the standard english definition? | 
| 19:56.35 | luf | I see. | 
| 19:56.47 | luf | I overlooked it last time. | 
| 19:57.59 | freemangordon | luf: maybe opening bluetooth applet desctop file will give you the id for bluetooth | 
| 19:58.01 | luf | freemangordon: is it needed to add it to all localizations? Anyone has any experience with it (pali)? | 
| 19:58.11 | freemangordon | luf: add what?!? | 
| 19:58.15 | luf | I know the id. | 
| 19:58.17 | freemangordon | we already have all this | 
| 19:58.26 | luf | sfil_li_bluetooth - this is the id. | 
| 19:58.30 | freemangordon | no, it is not | 
| 19:58.42 | freemangordon | at least not in fremantle | 
| 19:58.45 | freemangordon | aiui | 
| 19:58.58 | freemangordon | is afk | 
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| 20:07.05 | luf | freemangordon: sfil for bleutooth was never used (commented out) so it's not in po files. | 
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| 20:56.28 | luf | I don't understand why the translations are closed :( | 
| 21:07.23 | freemangordon | luf: marketing bullshit | 
| 21:11.44 | luf | freemangordon: I checked translationfor hildon-fm and there is no Bluetooth :( | 
| 21:11.56 | luf | So what should be the right way to add it? | 
| 21:29.44 | luf | freemangordon: I'm going to push libhildonfm changes to git ... | 
| 21:51.38 | luf | merlin1991: ping | 
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| 22:06.57 | luf | freemangordon: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/h/hildon-fm-l10n-public/ | 
| 22:09.06 | luf | freemangordon: so we can rebuild all nokia "closed" hildon-fm-l10n-<locale> packages ... | 
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| 22:22.51 | luf | But I'm not sure if it's ok for layers ... | 
| 22:23.34 | luf | I changed my cs_CZ hildon-fm.mo file and now I see Bluetooth instead of sfil_li_bluetooth | 
| 22:23.44 | luf | :) | 
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| 22:44.45 | luf | I pushed changes into libhildonfm git. | 
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