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| 13:39.33 | kerio | yo freemangordon |
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| 14:45.53 | freemangordon | kerio: hi |
| 14:46.02 | kerio | sup |
| 14:46.48 | freemangordon | oil prices? |
| 14:49.57 | kerio | ooh, neat |
| 14:50.02 | kerio | anyway, moar thumb plskthx |
| 14:53.01 | freemangordon | will try to put some more packages in the repo soon |
| 14:53.11 | kerio | yay |
| 14:53.14 | kerio | pulse/tracker? |
| 14:53.18 | kerio | that would be cool |
| 14:53.52 | freemangordon | without -mp thing initially, I wan't them tested by a couple of brave souls/guinea pigs before doing -mp thingie |
| 14:53.55 | kerio | freemangordon: what's your opinion of sqlite3 from marmistrz? |
| 14:54.07 | freemangordon | kerio: do I have one? |
| 14:54.12 | freemangordon | (opinion) |
| 14:54.28 | kerio | i mean, it's something that's not in cssu |
| 14:54.38 | kerio | would you consider compiling it? |
| 14:54.43 | kerio | and shipping it, i s'pose |
| 14:54.55 | freemangordon | kerio: I already ansered that quiestio |
| 14:54.59 | freemangordon | *answered |
| 14:55.09 | kerio | ...although technically for "system" packages it's not the same thing, you can put it on the repo without adding it to the metapackage |
| 14:55.40 | freemangordon | won't put newer sqlite 3 until it is not in 'main' CSSU |
| 14:55.49 | kerio | shame |
| 14:55.52 | kerio | :c |
| 14:56.00 | freemangordon | why? |
| 14:56.17 | freemangordon | you have some problems with stock sqlite3 version? |
| 14:56.27 | kerio | i'm using the more recent one, and it feels a bit faster |
| 14:56.30 | kerio | tracker uses sqlite |
| 14:56.39 | freemangordon | gcc 4.6.2? |
| 14:56.45 | freemangordon | or 4.6.1? |
| 14:57.00 | kerio | freemangordon: how do i check? |
| 14:57.05 | freemangordon | NFC |
| 14:57.43 | freemangordon | but IIRC marmistrz's has compiled it with gcc4.6.x |
| 14:58.02 | kerio | hm |
| 14:58.06 | kerio | then it's ok, i suppose |
| 14:58.27 | freemangordon | kerio: BTW - "3.6.14-1maemo4+0m5+0cssu0+thumb0" |
| 14:58.35 | freemangordon | this is in -thumb |
| 14:58.48 | freemangordon | can you check your? |
| 14:58.53 | freemangordon | *yours |
| 14:59.58 | kerio | which package? |
| 15:00.07 | kerio | sqlite3, libsqlite3-0? |
| 15:00.22 | freemangordon | both |
| 15:00.37 | kerio | oh, the version is the same |
| 15:00.43 | kerio | 3.7.7-2+maemo2+0m6maemo0 |
| 15:00.49 | kerio | i wonder if the thumb version would be faster |
| 15:00.54 | freemangordon | should be |
| 15:01.27 | freemangordon | difference between 47-linaro and 4.6-upstream for arm is noticeable |
| 15:01.57 | kerio | hm |
| 15:02.21 | freemangordon | ok, going to thumb-compile pulseaudio |
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| 15:25.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | thumb-compile pulseaudio | tee -a /etc/bullshit >/dev/null |
| 15:25.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | or terse: |
| 15:25.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~nuke PA |
| 15:25.42 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at PA ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 15:25.56 | kerio | oh, i thought you were going to say thumb-compile pulseaudio >> /etc/bullshit |
| 15:26.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas we're obviously stuck to that poettering PA BS, since it's way too entangled with whole maemo system |
| 15:27.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | so getting it thombified could only improve shit |
| 15:27.52 | kerio | what's the alternative? |
| 15:27.54 | kerio | alsa+dmix? |
| 15:27.56 | freemangordon | exactly, we'll have better PA shit :D |
| 15:28.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 15:28.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | better shit >> shit |
| 15:28.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | no sarcasm, modulo at PA in general |
| 15:28.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: see last post, 3 lines up: there's no alternative |
| 15:29.22 | kerio | no, i meant when hypothetically redesigning everything |
| 15:29.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | there'd be the alternative of pure ALSA with a few small extensions I designed, if we'd stop a new OS out of the ground |
| 15:29.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | stomp* |
| 15:31.08 | kerio | well, let's do that |
| 15:31.11 | kerio | >:D |
| 15:31.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it would work way more seamlessly with any generic ALSA audio enabled app, without special freakin tweaks to deal with shite like alsaped etc |
| 15:32.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | all it needs is a .alsarc device definition for each app using audio, to define an ALSA device exclusively for that app |
| 15:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | so the whole friggin properties like audio policies etc would get defined implicitly by the device definition |
| 15:33.16 | kerio | hm, is that efficient enough? |
| 15:33.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | each app had their own volume control |
| 15:33.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 15:33.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | efficient? |
| 15:33.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | in which way? |
| 15:33.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | is PA efficient?? |
| 15:33.57 | kerio | a new ALSA device for each program |
| 15:34.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | errr |
| 15:34.56 | kerio | unless i misunderstood |
| 15:35.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware what's a virtual ALSA device? it's nothing more than just a definition of the stack of lib plugins and their paramenters to use by the particular app, executed in app |
| 15:35.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | 's addr space |
| 15:36.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's absolutely no difference whether every app is using "ALSA:default" or each app has their own "ALSA:myaudiodev-$appname" |
| 15:36.46 | kerio | ok, so it's efficient |
| 15:36.47 | kerio | cool |
| 15:36.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | performance-wise |
| 15:41.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might want to check out http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/twinklephone/message/1731 and http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/ALSA/ACI/ |
| 15:42.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly POC in http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/ALSA/ACI/acihooklib/ |
| 15:42.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | which I invented |
| 15:43.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's a friggin useful ALSA plugin to basically execute arbitrary commands whenever an arbitrary app opens (or closes) the dedicated ALSA device |
| 15:43.26 | jon_y | speaking of VOIP, has anybody tried to pipe it trough the voice modem? :) |
| 15:43.57 | jon_y | using my voice modem as a pots modem :) |
| 15:44.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | you could switch on your home stereo PA when sip-phone ringer opens riger device, so you hear phone ringing even while you're in the garden |
| 15:44.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course you also can setup arbitrary mixer setup to accomodate the "policies" of ringer or whatever the device |
| 15:44.35 | kerio | "I HAVE THE SOFTWARE 21.2011.38.1 ON MY N900.when i install from CSSU the software open a window of Xterm and he do the operation . after that he said me that is an error i don't remember where and he talk me to press a key to get out . ok after that i install the update . after that the orientation LANDSCAPE - Horizondat - vertical doesnt work . same thing in the applications ... i dont know what to do. i will REINSTALL ALL THE MAEMO and i will not in |
| 15:44.35 | kerio | stall ever CSSU .i cant take a software if is not working.better get him out.thanks" |
| 15:44.39 | kerio | what the fuck |
| 15:45.19 | kerio | this shit right here is the reason i don't follow TMO too closely |
| 15:45.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | lart this moron, fire, forget |
| 15:45.58 | jon_y | ihavethesoftware21.2011.38.1onmyn900wheniinstallfromcssu.... |
| 15:46.03 | jon_y | sounded like that to me :) |
| 15:46.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | URL? |
| 15:46.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I feel like answering ;-P |
| 15:47.15 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I like the idea, gimme a minute |
| 15:47.40 | kerio | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1284798 |
| 15:48.13 | jon_y | heh, ihavethesoftware21.2011.38.1onmyn900wheniinstallfromcssu...sobsobsob |
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| 16:01.48 | BCMM | "an error i don't remember where" - "well there's a fix but i don't remember what it is" |
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| 16:29.14 | freemangordon | kerio: PA is in thumb repo, upgrade if you dare :P |
| 16:29.44 | freemangordon | 160k more free in rootfs |
| 16:31.21 | ShadowJK | freemangordon; been doing anything more on ramzswap? |
| 16:31.50 | freemangordon | I suspended for a while, until it is clear if it makes sense to continue |
| 16:32.12 | kerio | freemangordon: do i dare? D: |
| 16:32.32 | kerio | meh, i'm taking a full backup first |
| 16:32.57 | freemangordon | hmm, telefony still works |
| 16:33.03 | freemangordon | *telephony |
| 16:33.20 | freemangordon | audio playback too, so it should be ok |
| 16:33.39 | kerio | it's just a recompile, isn't it |
| 16:34.02 | ShadowJK | freemangordon; well, would be interesting to see how much of swapin comes from the compressed part with your current version |
| 16:36.17 | freemangordon | kerio: yes |
| 16:36.30 | freemangordon | plus luf's patches for BT |
| 16:37.00 | freemangordon | ShadowJK: yeah, I was thinking to remove compression. |
| 16:37.14 | freemangordon | that way we'll have flash-optimized swap |
| 16:37.33 | kerio | freemangordon: a cheap compression is probably better anyway |
| 16:37.41 | kerio | unless the NAND is *really* fast |
| 16:37.59 | freemangordon | but want first to issue a new update in -thumb as it passed a month or so since the last one |
| 16:38.11 | freemangordon | kerio: no, it is not |
| 16:38.28 | Pali | kerio, I'm here |
| 16:38.33 | freemangordon | n900 has not enough RAM for that to be effective |
| 16:38.38 | kerio | freemangordon: :( |
| 16:38.39 | Pali | kerio, what did you asked yesterday? |
| 16:45.19 | kerio | freemangordon: should i reboot? |
| 16:45.33 | kerio | meh, i'll reboot |
| 16:45.49 | freemangordon | kerio: yes |
| 16:46.09 | freemangordon | kerio: make sure you've upgraded 7 packages |
| 16:46.45 | kerio | i just did apt-get upgrade bro |
| 16:46.50 | kerio | :P |
| 16:51.48 | kerio | freemangordon: works |
| 16:58.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: you asked me to let luf and freemangordon know sth. Now you can do that your own |
| 16:58.42 | freemangordon | kerio: yeah. lets see how will that affect battery life |
| 16:59.03 | Pali | DocScrutinizer05, luf already received messages :-) |
| 16:59.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: i'd be most interested in CPU hogging of PA before and after thombification |
| 17:00.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: battery life is a secondary function of that |
| 17:00.28 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: :nod: |
| 17:00.50 | freemangordon | though aiui the one that uses CPU is in the closed part |
| 17:01.04 | kerio | freemangordon: when on speaker, though |
| 17:01.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: yeah, prolly XPROT |
| 17:02.11 | kerio | can't we get some good speakers to install? |
| 17:02.14 | freemangordon | kerio: ? |
| 17:02.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | though, iirc PA mixing is a hogging greedy bastard as well |
| 17:02.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: hardly |
| 17:02.48 | kerio | at least speakers that won't break if you look at them wrong |
| 17:02.52 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: any idea how to measure that? |
| 17:03.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | nifty |
| 17:03.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: speakers are fine for their size and compartment |
| 17:03.58 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: they break! |
| 17:04.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | the problem is missing low-cut filter in whole audio chain, and speakers of that size generally can't deal with frequencies below ~150Hz |
| 17:04.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's basically what XPROT is suspected to accomplish: cut out low frequencies |
| 17:04.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's basically a hw bug |
| 17:05.06 | kerio | yeah, let's get some new hw without that bug then :) |
| 17:05.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | the 180° opposite of what we had on FreeRunner ;-P |
| 17:06.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | there we had a lowcut in hw that didn't allow freq < ~1kHz on headset :-o |
| 17:06.11 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: we can lock the frequency to lets say 250 and check PA CPU usage |
| 17:06.33 | freemangordon | playing one and the same song |
| 17:06.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 17:06.40 | freemangordon | an both devices |
| 17:06.42 | freemangordon | *on |
| 17:06.48 | freemangordon | i'll do the test tomorrow |
| 17:06.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | cool :-) |
| 17:07.08 | kerio | "we're gonna play to one song, and one song only" |
| 17:08.00 | Skry | btw what resampler PA is using in fremantle? |
| 17:08.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 17:09.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | isn't the resampler aka rate-conversion an immanent part of PA as well as ALSA? |
| 17:12.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway PA 'mixer' been notorious to do "(0 + 0) / 2" 44k/s even for streams that been already closed or at least inactive. That's been a logical consequence of PA's broken-by-design async concept for plugins |
| 17:13.54 | Skry | PA uses speex or ffmpeg (and perhaps something else) for conversion, speex can be a real cpu hog depending of the settings/method |
| 17:14.06 | ShadowJK | freemangordon; that's why I was interested in stats on reads from compressed, if a large proportion is read from compressed cache it might be worthwhile to keep it. |
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| 22:29.15 | merlin1991 | btw DocScrutinizer05 feel like playing guinea pig for the next -testing? :D |
| 22:29.26 | merlin1991 | I've got everything but 2 packages ready |
| 22:29.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 22:30.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | though i'm actually way late today, with getting some RL and dinner off the PC |
| 22:30.08 | merlin1991 | I even made the custom hidden repo already + a .deb to enable it with keys and everything for ham :) |
| 22:30.26 | merlin1991 | that's going to happen tomorrow or later anway :) |
| 22:30.41 | merlin1991 | (the last 2 packages + mp) |
| 22:30.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: I'm willing to test it on a virgin device, but not for update from 5.1 today |
| 22:31.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | tomorrow is just fine |
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