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05:51.29freemangordonmerlin1991: yeah, debian/rules dh_strip line is OK for debhelper 4. But I didn't dare to change debian/compat, as there of a risk to break something else
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06:47.47fw190morning
06:48.04fw190just found this on TMO : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87035
06:48.09fw190interesting
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07:25.16tadzikhm. I'd rather see something that does nothing but making icon click areas bigger, if you know what I mean
07:25.38tadzikit's frustrating when you press an icon and it reads it as clicking outside and closes the menu
07:32.57fw190I know what you mean
07:33.03fw190it happens to me all the time
07:33.13fw190especially with the row on the right
07:33.33tadzikyep
07:34.34tadzikalso, the comments there, "I may be old-fashioned but I prefer clicking X than swiping"
07:35.31tadzikimo that's just killing all the advantages that a touchscreen has, bringing it down to the level a PC with a mouse. Especially when the touchscreen is shitty and you often misclick stuff
07:35.37fw190well for me X is also the prefered one
07:35.59fw190hmm you have a point there
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07:44.07freemangordontadzik: n900 touchscreen is everything but shitty imo
07:45.00freemangordontadzik: BTW any development on the opera case?
07:45.15deepyfreemangordon: mine seems to scratch easily
07:45.25tadzikwell, I keep misclicking on stuff every once in a while, sometimes even when using stylus
07:45.37freemangordonput a screen protector on it, as simple as that
07:45.39tadzikthe X in task switcher isn't too easy to click, imho
07:45.49freemangordontadzik: calibrate it ;)
07:46.14freemangordonand change your screen protector (if using one)
07:46.18tadzikit would probably work better if I calibrated myself, and always click exactly where I want and not a milimeter farther
07:46.45tadzikI still have the one that was sticked to the screen when I bought it
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11:27.06fw190dafaq
11:27.11fw190the world is ending
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11:27.23fw190I just recived a positive reply
11:27.34fw190the are transfering me to stationary studies
11:27.39fw190o.O
11:27.52fw190I'm redaing it and reading and can't belive it
11:27.53chem|st?
11:28.36fw190chem|st: Since this year I won't have to pay for my studies
11:28.40tadzikfw190: which uni?
11:28.46fw190UAM
11:28.54tadzikdoesn't ring a bell, where's that?
11:29.00tadzikgood job, congrats :)
11:29.01fw190amu.edu.pl
11:29.04fw190PhD
11:29.15fw190Poznań
11:29.20tadzikah, Poznań
11:29.38tadzikI was there for like 2 hours recently, just a fly-through :)
11:29.45tadzikI'm studying/working in Warsaw
11:29.48fw190ahhh
11:29.52fw190our famous airport
11:30.00tadzikit wasn't that bad
11:30.01fw190with just a few planes starting from it
11:30.08tadzikI mean, it has at least 3 free wifis
11:30.16tadzikso it's better than France and Germany combined
11:31.29fw190hahahah
11:31.45fw190this is imposible
11:31.50fw190I can't belive it
11:31.58fw190;)
11:37.35tadzik:) This reminds of my reaction when I got accepted on the faculty I wanted
11:38.00tadzikthe "Oooh fuuuck" for entire home to hear
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11:39.29fw190hahahhaha
11:39.40fw190I have said to my wife kurwa niemozliwe
11:39.49fw190which means the same ;p
11:40.33tadziksounds quite accurate :)
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11:52.11Lava_Croftpoland \o/
11:52.21Lava_Croftthere's a vegetable processing factory behind my house
11:52.37Lava_Croftit doesn't belong to me, but its full of funny polish people that work their ass off in 4 degrees celsius
11:54.56tadzikwell, our main export is people I guess
11:59.21fw190Lava_croft: what do you expect - we earn here about 400 euro and pay for gasoline the same as in Germany
11:59.33fw190peopel will go everywhere to eran a bi tmore
11:59.55Lava_Croftoh, i dont mind it at all
11:59.58tadzikwell, we get paid less and we pay less for stuff, except gasoline alright
12:00.06Lava_Croftif dutchies werent so lazy/whatever they would do the work:P
12:00.30Lava_Croftbut if they dont, other people need to do it, because i do want my fresh factory process pre-cut and pre-sorted veggies
12:00.38tadziklook on the bright side: people abroad rip their hair of when you tell them about beer for ~75 euro cents
12:00.40Lava_Croftprocessed*
12:01.01fw190tadzik: we pay the same or more for TV, smartphone etc. but still we earn 400 euro
12:01.02tadzikcompare to that to Norway and their madness
12:01.10Lava_Croftbesides, you guys got the most evil alcoholic beverage i ever tasted
12:01.13Lava_Croftspiritus
12:02.12tadzikI dunno, I pay ~15€ for some television and a 8Mbit internet. I don't even know what television is that, as I don't own a TV ;)
12:02.30tadzikno eye deer how does that compare to prices in other countries
12:02.33Lava_Croftwe pay 45 euros for HDtv and internets
12:04.33tadzikand probably earn like 3x our money
12:04.46tadzikI don't mind it unless I'm going abroad for a while ;)
12:05.02Lava_Croftdepends on the hours you work
12:05.05fw190tadzik I mean a TV from shop
12:05.09tadzikoh, ok
12:05.10Lava_Crofthow many hours do you work for 400euros
12:05.18Lava_Croftwhat kind of work do you do
12:05.32tadzikfw190: what is the average pay in Poland, about 3k PLN?
12:05.36Lava_Croftthere's probably a lot of poles making more money than i do! :<
12:05.46fw190hahhah
12:05.49fw190tadzik please
12:05.55tadzikno, seriously
12:06.01fw190this ncludes probably Kulczyk etc
12:06.02Lava_Croftbut yes, in general the wages in poles are lower than in the netherlands
12:06.03tadzikI know median is somewhere about 1500 at most :P
12:06.12Lava_Croftotherwise the dutch people would go to poland to work ;)
12:06.20fw190a normal guy in tesco gets half of it
12:06.30fw190so its more to 400 euro
12:06.42fw190ma last full time job got me 1500zł
12:06.43tadzikthat's correct, sadly :(
12:06.45fw190a the hell
12:06.49fw190my wife
12:06.56fw190who is a teacher at UNI
12:07.00fw190gets 1500zł
12:07.05fw190less then 400 euro
12:07.12fw190for teaching students to be a dentist
12:07.15fw190this is poland
12:07.17fw190...
12:07.51tadzikyeah, teachers in non-private schools and unis are _so_ underpaid it's not even funny
12:08.06fw190I had to save money for more tan half a year to buy my precious N900
12:08.08fw190;)
12:08.16deepyouch
12:08.21deepytook me 1 month
12:08.26deepyand I'm at helpdesk
12:08.29tadzikbtw, the average pay in aug 2011 was 3666 PLN
12:08.49tadzikwhich is surreal if you know how much people actually get
12:11.03fw190yep
12:11.08fw190and now the funny thing
12:11.19fw190we have to pay for our flat 1000PLN
12:11.22fw190for one month
12:11.24fw190hahahahah
12:11.58fw190gasoline 400 pLN food 500PLN and there is not much left
12:12.04fw190damn I hate tis country
12:12.17tadzikis that somewhere near the city centre?
12:13.00tadzikI have 3 rooms in Warsaw suburbs and it's 440-ish PLN, so like 110 €
12:13.14tadzikbut it's owned by my family, not rented
12:13.26fw190this is a kawalerka
12:13.26tadzikso that's probably a lot different
12:13.48fw190the guy gets 800 PLN the rest is for hot water, etc
12:14.11tadzikI see
12:14.13fw190this one is cheap - the last one as 1200
12:15.27fw190ah lets stop it
12:15.46fw190this starts to look like a clasic Polsih chit chat
12:16.02fw190;)
12:16.53fw190enough complains today I celebrate
12:16.54fw190;)
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12:34.15merlin1991fw190: in my experience clasic polish chit chat does not happen in english ;)
12:34.26merlin1991*classic*
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12:40.40fw190merlin1991: but Polsih chit chat always end with complains
12:40.50fw190we had a lot of complains so had to end it
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16:32.12DocScrutinizer51WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKEEEEEEEEEEEEND
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16:56.52merlin1991srly DocScrutinizer51, that sounds like you hate your job
17:06.52ivgalvezmerlin1991 hi
17:07.42ivgalvezit has passed a bit of time since last time we talked. Do you have any news about the web interface for repository?
17:14.55merlin1991lemme see if I see any buttons
17:15.43merlin1991ivgalvez: still nothing
17:18.21ivgalvezI'm really pissed off
17:19.03ivgalvezI hope that a legal entity could give us enough powers to push for it
17:19.33ivgalvezby the way, we need volunteers for Council
17:19.51ivgalvezit seems that Board might have enough members
17:19.55ivgalvezanyone?
17:20.21ivgalvezDocScrutinizer05?
17:42.30DocScrutinizer51really?
17:43.36ivgalvezabsolutely
17:43.44DocScrutinizer51OMG
17:43.52ivgalvezplease consider it
17:44.10ivgalvezwe REALLY need people willing to push for the community
17:44.21ivgalvezotherwise we are doomed
17:45.29DocScrutinizer51that's the problem. I'm willing but short on time
17:45.54ivgalvezevery one is in the same situation
17:45.56DocScrutinizer51and a lot of community will be unhappy to see me in council anyway
17:46.11ivgalvezthat's why we need to have enough people
17:46.17ivgalvezso we can share tasks
17:46.42ivgalvezfor example, these past 2 weeks have been a pain in the ass for me at work
17:46.52DocScrutinizer51suggest me. I'll consider not rejecting the appointment
17:47.40ivgalvezOK, I'll do. You know that we disagree sometimes, but even though I think you will be valuable
17:48.48DocScrutinizer51I don't think it's a bad thing to disagree
17:50.02ivgalvezprecisely
17:50.19ivgalvezthanks for considering it
17:50.22DocScrutinizer51of course it's even better to work it out
17:51.11DocScrutinizer51I can't promise more than 2h / week dedicated to maemo stuff
17:53.18ivgalvezThat's normal, the problem is when more than one member is on vacation or have personal issues at the same time
17:53.32ivgalvezif we are not enough, then it's really problematic
17:55.26DocScrutinizer51*sigh*, I must've lost my mind
17:56.14DocScrutinizer51anyway, I always told I'll not let maemo down
17:56.36ivgalvezwe are really close to the end now
17:57.36kerioALL HAIL JOERG
17:57.38kerioo/
17:57.40ivgalvezwe have a meeting now
17:57.44kerio*HEIL
17:58.02DocScrutinizer51meeting?
17:58.11keriohailing joergs would be funny to watch, though
17:58.20DocScrutinizer51sorry, I'm having my weekend beer
17:58.37ivgalvezat #maemo-meeting
17:59.05kerioDocScrutinizer05: <Woody14619a> So, I'm currently on my N900, at work but offsite. I may be pulled away or lose connection on occasion.
17:59.12keriowoody, right now
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21:04.27DocScrutinizer05WAKE UP DREAMERS!!!
21:04.48DocScrutinizer05NOMINATE YOURSELVES FOR COUNCIL/BOARD ELECTIONS!
21:04.58DocScrutinizer053h left to do so
21:05.04DocScrutinizer05(I heard)
21:06.24DocScrutinizer05maemo in its current form will just cease to exist 2012-12-31 if we don't find enough candadates for building up new organisational entities
21:07.31DocScrutinizer05(since I know Nokia, I'd bet it will cease to exist 2012-12-20)
21:08.06DocScrutinizer05and probably will expose quite some annoying special behaviour weeks or even months before that
21:09.38Skrywhat would the duties be?
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21:19.39DocScrutinizer05serve community with all that can't be done in a distributed chaotic FOSS project, like organize events, care about infra admin and finance, whatnot else
21:20.42DocScrutinizer05report on that, communicate, communicate, communicate, communicate, communicate,
21:21.44DocScrutinizer05take all the shit that derailed community mambers with no clue about what council can/not do will pourr over you
21:21.54DocScrutinizer05members
21:23.32DocScrutinizer05and by "events" I mean really all kinds of events, from IRC meeetings to elections to foundation of new entities to anual congress
21:33.26ShadowJKdoesnt read tmo anymore, only vaguely reads mailing lists, and is apparently missing a vital one, and has missed almost everything about foundation and stuff
21:34.35DocScrutinizer05short story: server rental etc needs a legal entity
21:34.55DocScrutinizer05also ADMIN-C does
21:35.39DocScrutinizer05aka, maemo.org domain, which now is owned by Nokia but hopefully will change soon
21:36.18DocScrutinizer05taking donations needs legal entity too, it seems
21:36.35DocScrutinizer05thus: board/foundation
21:40.49Skrysure made it sound like a lot of fun
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21:46.05DocScrutinizer05nobody who thinks council is any fun should be allowed to do the job
21:46.29DocScrutinizer05last one who did got kicked by his co-councilors
21:47.03DocScrutinizer05since he thought now he's king of the world
21:50.47Woody14619Shhh!!! Quiet!  I hear if you say his name 3 times he'll appear.  Or at least read what you've said.
21:51.14Woody14619.oO(Last thing we need is him running again....)
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