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09:56.48kerioi just noticed that i get two entries in the connection dialog for wifi networks with WPS, one with and one without
09:56.52keriois this a cssu addition?
10:00.09merlin1991kerio: that's same as on stock
10:00.16kerioare you sure? i never noticed
10:00.21keriowas it added in PR1.3?
10:02.26merlin1991possibly, I remember it at least that I had it before cssu
10:02.35merlin1991and I know we didn't change anyhting related to that
10:02.45kerioi don't remember it but i jumped from pr1.2 to cssu
10:02.51merlin1991(since the wifi bits are mostly closed)
10:05.58arceanhmm, /topic is outdated :P
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10:07.35*** topic/#maemo-ssu by merlin1991 -> Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version (testing): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo4.1; (stable): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo4.1
10:07.42merlin1991better? :)
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10:07.54arceanhehe, yes :)
10:09.13merlin1991I guess I'll finish the new -testing tonight, should I include your mg aswell?
10:10.05arceanIf you have time to merge changes, why not :)
10:11.24keriois cbsms fixed?
10:18.48kerioalso, what adds the extra triggers for the call duration to rtcom-eventlogger?
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11:04.35DocScrutinizer05new S followed/paralleled by new T confused hell outa me last few days. sorry for a few inappropriate comments that were meant to T but given in response to S topics
11:13.49lufkerio: without this triggers you have no endtime in call history so you don't know how long the call takes.
11:14.26kerioluf: i asked what adds those triggers, not what those triggers add
11:14.54DocScrutinizer05my script adds them ;-)
11:15.00kerioDocScrutinizer05: when?
11:15.07DocScrutinizer05nothing in cssu adds them afaik
11:15.14keriooh
11:15.22keriowait, really?
11:16.01lufI have no call durations (empty endtime).
11:16.11keriono, i meant
11:16.15kerioi thought it was something added to cssu
11:16.21DocScrutinizer05luf: run that friggin script! ;-D
11:16.31lufI'm using testing CSSU ...
11:16.38DocScrutinizer05kerio: it's pending
11:16.49keriois it pending in -devel?
11:17.03DocScrutinizer05no, as a task in garage
11:17.09keriolaaaaaaaaaaame
11:17.10lufDocS: I don't miss it so much. I want to complete this task for next testing. But we'll see.
11:17.35keriomerlin1991: will the silly cbsms logging bug be fixed in this testing?
11:17.46DocScrutinizer05kerio: yes
11:18.09DocScrutinizer05unless we fixed it for S but not for T now ;-P
11:18.25kerio:O
11:18.27kerioit's in S?
11:18.28keriomadness
11:18.35DocScrutinizer05I HOPE it's not
11:18.48DocScrutinizer05new S followed/paralleled by new T confused hell outa me last few days. sorry for a few inappropriate comments that were meant to T but given in response to S topics
11:18.55kerioyou already said that
11:19.22kerioi didn't know you were old enough to forget stuff like that
11:19.49DocScrutinizer05I honestly dunno why we hurried that much to get the fix into source and build, when it's for T like it should
11:20.09kerioGrampaScrutinizer: because there's a T release in a very short time
11:20.31DocScrutinizer05kerio: I thought you haven't seen it, otherwise you might have been able to tell why I think it could've been in S
11:21.27DocScrutinizer05I bet chem|st and merlin1991 are a good bit younger and less confused than me
11:22.02DocScrutinizer05[2012-09-07 12:09:12] <merlin1991> I guess I'll finish the new -testing tonight, should I include your mg aswell?
11:22.18DocScrutinizer05so no idea why we hurried THAT much yesterday
11:22.39kerioidk
11:23.05kerioalso LOL, i never noticed this before
11:23.05kerio07.08.0112 10:53:05 service provider name match
11:23.12keriothis is *not* 112 AD
11:23.47DocScrutinizer05indeed, maybe arab calendar
11:24.00keriocbsms should really be cleaned
11:24.58DocScrutinizer05recalling the way timestamp is created/generated in each of those fprintf() I dunno though how that can happen
11:25.13DocScrutinizer05are you sure your system time isn't completely off?
11:25.25kerioven  7 set 2012 13:25:19 CEST
11:25.26kerionope
11:25.32DocScrutinizer05:nod:
11:25.46keriootoh, we're 112 years after 1900
11:26.01DocScrutinizer05however look at this: >> fprintf(f,"%sincoming cell tower name %s, cell id %d\n",get_timestamp(),utf8,priv->cell_id);
11:26.03keriobut Y2K was 12 years ago, i thought we fixed that
11:26.15kerioDocScrutinizer05: go look at the specific line
11:26.20kerio(i can't, i don't have the source)
11:26.30DocScrutinizer05me neither
11:28.01DocScrutinizer05here you are https://www.gitorious.org/community-ssu/operator-name-cbs-widget/blobs/9c19e807f04312b1e5d71d4283f4aa55bd152f0f/sbpluginsrc/operator-name-cbs-home-item.c#line690
11:29.04DocScrutinizer05(not the line, but source)
11:29.33DocScrutinizer05I leave it as an exercise up to you to spot the right line
11:29.43kerioit's... that one?
11:30.02DocScrutinizer05(since you didn't even tell it's a unique line problem)
11:30.39keriohm, how is localtime(time(NULL))->tm_year defined?
11:30.58keriotm_year   The number of years since 1900.
11:30.59kerioYEP
11:31.16keriowhy doesn't that... thing... use strftime?
11:31.41DocScrutinizer05why is gitorious down?
11:32.27DocScrutinizer05aah better
11:32.42DocScrutinizer05stalls on 72% now
11:33.00keriohttps://www.gitorious.org/community-ssu/operator-name-cbs-widget/blobs/9c19e807f04312b1e5d71d4283f4aa55bd152f0f/sbpluginsrc/operator-name-cbs-home-item.c#line83
11:33.05keriooh god, static buffer
11:34.34DocScrutinizer05FFS forget it I can't access gitorious
11:35.32DocScrutinizer05hmmm?
11:36.24kerio...why is this on my n900? :'(
11:36.46DocScrutinizer05because you're a bleeding edge junkie
11:36.57keriotrue, true
11:37.15DocScrutinizer05and we appreciiate that
11:37.35DocScrutinizer05otherwise it probably wouldn't have seen any *decent* tests yet
11:38.25DocScrutinizer05anyway sorry, can't get source from friggin git
11:38.39DocScrutinizer05so o/
11:38.50DocScrutinizer05big bluebox calling
11:40.45keriobig bluebox?
11:41.01DocScrutinizer05~rl
11:41.01infobothmm... rl is Real Life (the bad world out there), or known as the Big Blue Box (tm).  Conways game using only rational numbers
11:41.51kerioew :c
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11:44.42DocScrutinizer05~factinfo real life
11:44.42infobotreal life -- created by wolfie <brian@mo73.housing.hawaii.edu> at Sun Mar 19 10:25:03 2000 (4555 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008.
11:44.53DocScrutinizer05smart hackers
11:45.17DocScrutinizer05conway's game of life, based only on reals, BWAHAHAHA
11:45.51DocScrutinizer05each hacker knows there IS NO such thing like "real (game of) Life"
11:46.26DocScrutinizer05unless you use fractional number of dimensions
11:46.52DocScrutinizer05or zombie state for life in cells represented as 1/3
11:48.14keriomeh, you just need three states for that
11:48.35DocScrutinizer05"how many squares/qubes ajacent to the square/qube under test have an object in them?"  "2.3055189E2"
11:49.47DocScrutinizer05right, zombie state is absolutely nonsensical
11:50.35DocScrutinizer05a typical case where silly coders tend to use real for no good reason, since the value space is discrete and not contiguous
11:51.39DocScrutinizer05add $0.50 plus $0.10  --- humm let's use float for that
11:51.58kerio:D
11:52.07kerioit's actually against a bunch of certifications for financial stuff
11:52.20DocScrutinizer05for good reason
11:52.28kerioyou need fixed-point with four decimals for mone
11:52.28kerioy
11:52.54DocScrutinizer05since in float you get $0.6079345383747 as result
11:53.37kerio0.5 + 0.1 == 0.6 in python
11:53.38kerio:)
11:53.59DocScrutinizer05in COBOL you even may use 9.9999 DISPLAY
11:54.03DocScrutinizer05;-D
11:54.11DocScrutinizer05but NEVER use COMP
11:54.21DocScrutinizer05(aka float/real)
11:54.22keriopython is smarter
11:54.34kerioit uses the shortest decimal representation that evaluates to that float
11:54.39kerioand it also only uses doubles :)
11:55.16DocScrutinizer05shell even smarter, it never uses anything but DISPLAY
11:55.37DocScrutinizer05but then unlimited digits precision afaik
11:55.47kerioheh
11:55.54kerioit's also really inefficient though
11:56.10DocScrutinizer05~0.999999999999999999999999999999999 + 0.000000000000000000000000001
11:56.10infobot1
11:56.35DocScrutinizer05depends on your definition of efficiency
11:56.43keriohm, python also has arbitrary precision decimals
11:57.19DocScrutinizer05~0.999999999999999999999999999999999 + 0.000000000000000000000000002
11:57.19infobot1
11:57.22DocScrutinizer05lol
11:57.50DocScrutinizer05~2+0.5
11:57.50infobot2.5
11:57.54DocScrutinizer05mhm
11:58.46DocScrutinizer05well and shell actually doesn't handle decimals at all, sorry for nonsense spread
12:01.04DocScrutinizer05tzzz git resurrected
12:01.52DocScrutinizer05https://www.gitorious.org/community-ssu/operator-name-cbs-widget/blobs/9c19e807f04312b1e5d71d4283f4aa55bd152f0f/sbpluginsrc/operator-name-cbs-home-item.c#line83  indeed :-S
12:02.02DocScrutinizer05thought it's a glib function
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12:03.35DocScrutinizer05however I can't spot where your Y2K problem comes from
12:03.45keriowhat do you mean?
12:03.56kerioTm->tm_year
12:04.01keriotm_year   The number of years since 1900.
12:04.28kerio(from the ctime(3) man page)
12:04.33keriowell, localtime(3)
12:04.52DocScrutinizer05sure
12:05.29DocScrutinizer05what's wrong with sprintf("%04d", tm->year)?
12:06.07luftm->year is usually number od years since 1900 ;)
12:06.07DocScrutinizer05what's wrong with sprintf(mystringbuffer, "%04d", tm->tm_year)?
12:06.18DocScrutinizer05OOOOOH LOL
12:06.20kerioDocScrutinizer05: because tm_year is the number of years since 1900
12:06.25kerioand in 2012, it's 102
12:06.37luf102+10 ;)
12:06.41kerioer, yes
12:06.49kerioAND YOU SHOULD USE THE FUCKING STRFTIME
12:07.37ShadowJKno! printf("19%d", tm->year); is oviously correct !
12:07.58ShadowJKremembers receiving emails from 19100
12:08.01DocScrutinizer05YEEEAAAAH!!!
12:08.05luf:D
12:08.38keriohttp://www.escolacena.com.br/
12:08.43kerioData: Sexta-Feira, 07/09/19112
12:08.49DocScrutinizer05ok, big blue box can't be as mad as this :-D
12:09.13DocScrutinizer057me heads out adding H2O to the soil of stupid green lifeforms in the garden
12:09.33kerioi have / as shift+7 too ^_^
12:09.46kerio...not on the n900 though
12:10.43DocScrutinizer05seems my typing gets worse every year, due to loss of muscle coordination
12:11.37DocScrutinizer05wonders if that's beginning Alzheimer, Parkinson, or simply called "age"
12:12.32kerioDocScrutinizer05: yes
12:13.58DocScrutinizer05wtf Sexta-Feira
12:14.26kerioSexta-feira é o sexto dia da semana, seguindo a quinta-feira e precedendo o sábado
12:14.31DocScrutinizer056th day of week, celebrate Freya?
12:14.42kerioportuguese sucks
12:15.06DocScrutinizer05aaah feira is week?
12:15.21keriosemana is week
12:15.28DocScrutinizer05thought as much
12:15.38DocScrutinizer05with my 3 words spanish
12:16.06DocScrutinizer05so what's feira?
12:16.09keriosegunda-feira, terça-feira, quarta-feira, quinta-feira, sexta-feira, sàbado, domingo
12:16.10keriowtf
12:16.19kerioWHERE'S prima-feira YOU MORONS
12:16.36kerioDocScrutinizer05: "fair"
12:16.37DocScrutinizer05domingo
12:17.35DocScrutinizer05now start weekday counting with monday in your programs/excel-sheets/etc and confusion is *perfect*
12:18.08DocScrutinizer05segunda-feira==1
12:18.21DocScrutinizer05domingo==7
12:18.24DocScrutinizer05;-P
12:18.40kerioit's actually not really confusing
12:18.47kerioIF YOU USE PROPER LOCALE-AWARE FUNCTIONS
12:19.09DocScrutinizer05fsck braindead locales
12:19.46DocScrutinizer05at least I see now why there's an option for START_OF_WEEK==sunday
12:21.39DocScrutinizer05something conveniently ignored when morons define 'smart' company-internal date format like 1239:1
12:21.51keriowat
12:21.58DocScrutinizer05or even 239:1
12:22.24DocScrutinizer05201_2_, 39th week, day one
12:22.38kerioew
12:22.39DocScrutinizer05no kidding
12:23.49DocScrutinizer05129 --- WTF now, is this document from 2012 week 9, or from 2011 week 29 ???? >:-(
12:24.07keriofrom 2001 week 29 you mean
12:24.21keriohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#Week_dates
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12:24.29kerioif you don't use standards, you suck
12:24.33DocScrutinizer05nah, they conveniently ignore tens in years
12:24.39DocScrutinizer05sometimes
12:24.59DocScrutinizer05and of course no week 09, it's just 9
12:25.07keriooh gof
12:25.08keriogod
12:26.10DocScrutinizer051297, looks similarly stupid for today's date
12:27.23DocScrutinizer05I guess STE invented that in 2001, when they pondered how to fuck up better than Y2K
12:28.16DocScrutinizer05U got an idea about my daily WTF when working in this company
12:28.17kerioi suppose they weren't expecting to last until 2011
12:28.18kerio:D
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13:37.25DocScrutinizer05FUUUCK! new marble has black-on-black-text issue in route-planning screen
13:38.06DocScrutinizer05I thouhgt this been a Qt bug fixed like 18 months ago?! >:-(
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13:40.05DocScrutinizer05ok, completely borked, FINE :((((
13:41.07DocScrutinizer05I just hope that's not due to CSSU-T Qt messing
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13:57.41kerioDocScrutinizer05: wait, you can't read black-on-black?
13:57.44kerioman, your eyesight really sucks
13:58.48DocScrutinizer05meh
13:59.20DocScrutinizer05If I wouldn't feel that pissed, I'd install friggin marble on a fsckng stock PR1.3.1 and test it there
14:00.42DocScrutinizer05worst thing: I don't have most recent BM-backup to restore to old marble version
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14:02.03DocScrutinizer05after all it would be a not completely irrelevant detail if this bug is caused by marble or by cssu-t
14:02.12keriomadness
14:02.44DocScrutinizer05and yes, I recall ivgalvez et al nagging about "so you think Qt update on cssu was *not* risky?!"
14:02.50keriohaha
14:02.59kerioanyway, test it on stock
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14:04.16DocScrutinizer05meh, gotta get breakfast first
14:04.27DocScrutinizer05brunch, brinner, whatever
14:17.37kerioDocScrutinizer05: so, is it confirmed a cssu-t bug?
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15:08.53kerioDocScrutinizer05: srsly, how much are you eating? :o
15:37.00merlin1991owns a fsckd car
15:37.25merlin1991fuel pump died today :/
15:37.59keriorecompile it
15:39.02jon_yrelink it
15:39.30jon_yhah, reassemble it
15:42.16ivgalvezmerlin1991
15:42.28merlin1991ivgalvez: afaik that's my nick
15:42.33ivgalvezwe are talking to X-Fade at maemo-meeting
15:42.49merlin1991yeah saw he said someone came back who can look at it
15:42.53ivgalvezI assume repo management still not working
15:42.56merlin1991yep
15:43.01ivgalvezok
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19:28.13Siceloinstalling 21.2011.38-1Smaemo4.1
19:28.27Sicelothanks for your efforts everyone
19:31.50Sicelogreat PDF Viewer is looking good
19:31.53Sicelo\o/
19:39.42keriohuh? pdfviewer was updated?
19:44.01Siceloyeah.. with translations
19:44.22Siceloon Stable, at least.. i don't know about Testing
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20:46.44merlin1991Sicelo: been in testing for long :)
20:47.33Siceloindeed. heh.
20:48.27Siceloi almost got brave enough to ask what's holding up a new stable. then again, i reproached myself, knowing i have dev'd zero of the stuff that's there :P
20:59.59Siceloke-recv is really nice here :P
21:02.19kerioke-recv can't be configured to only export partitions off the uSD
21:02.20kerio:c
21:12.35Sicelo<PROTECTED>
21:12.36Sicelo:-/
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