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| 16:57.13 | inkbottle | Hi, |
| 16:58.14 | inkbottle | After some cssu update, something went wrong :-/ |
| 16:58.50 | inkbottle | most of it I have no "menu" and I can't navigate between applications |
| 16:59.06 | inkbottle | nor I can close them (no close button) |
| 17:00.06 | inkbottle | the "menu" from the "power" button is working, and I tried to select cssu features, but it yields to nothing at all |
| 17:01.18 | inkbottle | and hence no terminal... |
| 17:01.35 | inkbottle | Phone is working :-) |
| 17:02.49 | inkbottle | keyboard not working |
| 17:08.57 | MrPingu | Well it seems you need to reflash, I guess |
| 17:09.53 | inkbottle | only solution so you think? |
| 17:10.17 | MrPingu | I think so, maybe only rootfs is enough ;) |
| 17:10.44 | MrPingu | May I assume you made a backup before a CSSUpdate? |
| 17:11.15 | MrPingu | Atleast it is recommended do a backup before every "big" upgrade |
| 17:11.23 | inkbottle | where do I find how to do this? I'm quite familiar with "linux", but not at all with these flash things |
| 17:12.36 | inkbottle | There is no problem with the "files" that are saved on another computer, but the device is not working |
| 17:14.53 | MrPingu | Well you have the official backup application, installed by default |
| 17:15.09 | MrPingu | you can use that to backup contacts, messages calendar and such |
| 17:15.29 | inkbottle | but how do i have acces to it? |
| 17:15.51 | inkbottle | button, keyboard? |
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| 17:16.18 | MrPingu | I guess you are too late for that now... |
| 17:16.29 | MrPingu | Backup have to made before your device is borked |
| 17:17.52 | MrPingu | And I really recommend to install backupmenu as one of your first 3rd party applications ;) |
| 17:18.36 | inkbottle | nothing to do at boot time? ;-) |
| 17:19.43 | MrPingu | backupmenu = at boot time |
| 17:19.53 | MrPingu | but has to be installed before =/ |
| 17:19.54 | inkbottle | ok |
| 17:20.56 | inkbottle | and the "flashing" thing? I suppose I do google n900 flashing? |
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| 17:22.21 | MrPingu | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 17:22.31 | MrPingu | Go with rootfs only at first |
| 17:23.29 | MrPingu | it might get your device to a state where you can backup contacts and other important stuff ;) |
| 17:24.42 | inkbottle | ok, thanks (I hope one don't need to have windows to do that, and I have only debian/main on my computer, no non-free code) |
| 17:25.28 | MrPingu | inkbottle, no you can flash from linux ;) |
| 17:25.47 | inkbottle | thanks |
| 17:25.51 | MrPingu | It's even better, it has more options like some advanced RnD options |
| 17:25.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're even supposed to ude linux |
| 17:26.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | use* |
| 17:26.09 | MrPingu | Not that you need these options right now, though :p |
| 17:27.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | inkbottle: don't miss blacklisting cdc_phonet, it's commonly enabled on linux nowadays |
| 17:27.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | you find instructions on the wiki page |
| 17:27.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | please read it completely before starting |
| 17:31.31 | inkbottle | Do you know if "Maemo Flasher-3.5", would be "open source code" or proprietary closed code? |
| 17:31.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | closed |
| 17:32.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0xffff is open source alternative |
| 17:32.56 | inkbottle | what would be the name of this alternative? |
| 17:33.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | 0xffff |
| 17:33.07 | inkbottle | i see |
| 17:33.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask pali, he's just developing a new improved version |
| 17:34.28 | Estel_ | that will allow to flash device from within device itself ;P |
| 17:34.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I really wonder what went wrong with your migration to CSSU, it's quite unusual to fail |
| 17:34.32 | Estel_ | from running Maemo |
| 17:34.52 | Estel_ | same here, don't want to be offensive, but it sounds like user-error |
| 17:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | nothing new with that |
| 17:34.58 | Estel_ | have You updated using fam or ham? |
| 17:35.26 | Estel_ | for 0xffff it is new :) |
| 17:35.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that might be |
| 17:36.43 | inkbottle | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: cssu-enabler starts HAM unconditionally |
| 17:37.52 | Estel_ | sorry then, inkbottle :( Feel free to dive into Your '"I'm offended" state, and deny fact, that 2143214233432544353 users update CSSU without problems. Of course, it wasn't fail of things on Your device, or Your error during upgrading. Why so? everyone else is wrong... |
| 17:38.06 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, missed aprt where he said about using cssu-enabler |
| 17:38.11 | Estel_ | s/aprt/part/ |
| 17:38.18 | Estel_ | welcome back, infobot! |
| 17:38.44 | sdfsdfsdfdgfdhse | welcome back, infobot! |
| 17:38.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's the only way to install CSSU |
| 17:39.03 | sdfsdfsdfdgfdhse | ~infobot welcome DocScrutinizer05 |
| 17:39.03 | infobot | Welcome to the party, DocScrutinizer05! |
| 17:39.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you go really freaky |
| 17:39.19 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, personally, i used fapman, from start to the end :P |
| 17:39.28 | Estel_ | I know how evil I am, don't worry |
| 17:39.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik this is prone to definitely fail |
| 17:40.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | fapman is tested to not work for CSSU install afaik |
| 17:40.29 | Estel_ | in fact I can't recall why? i.e. what is going wrong? |
| 17:41.01 | Estel_ | I installed cssu in my device ages ago, later it was only about updates... But, few weeks ago, i've installed CSSu on fresh, other device - for someone else - adding CSSU repo and installing community-pr |
| 17:41.04 | Estel_ | or how it's called |
| 17:41.17 | Estel_ | basically, doing what cssu enabler does, but manuall and via fapman when necessary |
| 17:41.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I really fail to see how you'd use fapman anyway, since cssu installation is an automated process that only needs user interaction to click on CSSU icon - no way to ever chose between HAM and fapman |
| 17:41.21 | Estel_ | worked like charm |
| 17:41.44 | Estel_ | downloaded thing behind cssu icon, opened it in leafpad... |
| 17:41.51 | Estel_ | sucked repo adressed from there, added it to fapman |
| 17:41.56 | Estel_ | installed main metapackage |
| 17:41.58 | Estel_ | job done |
| 17:42.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | nuts |
| 17:42.19 | Estel_ | for sake of safety, enabled off-line mode, after packages finished downloading, before started installing. could live without it too, probably |
| 17:42.32 | Estel_ | I know, i know, it's evil ;) I jsut can't stand HAM |
| 17:42.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm short on time not only to do CSSU update this weird way, but also to discuss it |
| 17:42.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 17:42.52 | Estel_ | hehe, no worries. It works for me, but I'm not advocating it for others |
| 17:43.25 | Estel_ | I'm just interested what ham may do "better" than me manually about repos + fapman about installing (other than using off-line mode to install system ugprade, which I mimic anyway) |
| 17:43.30 | Estel_ | plain curiosity |
| 17:43.58 | Estel_ | I barely stand to install rootsh via HAM, on fresh device, and it's definitelly one and only interaction I have with HAM |
| 17:44.19 | Estel_ | I even kill it after installation complete,l before it AGAIN refresh repos and package list without asked too... |
| 17:44.24 | Estel_ | saving another 5 min :P |
| 17:44.41 | Estel_ | I'm still amazed, how they managed to make this thing so freakin slow |
| 17:49.48 | inkbottle | The problem is, it is a proprietary software device. And it is the one and only one (problem). (The problem is not CSSU). |
| 17:50.45 | Estel_ | well, I don'l liuke closed source blobs too, but accusing it of your failed CSSU installation is like accusing of whitchcraft |
| 17:50.50 | Estel_ | because cows are dying |
| 17:50.51 | Estel_ | or bees |
| 17:51.17 | Estel_ | it have freaking nothing to do with You having messed something during upgrade |
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