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| 00:23.08 | luf | To break the silence :) I want to say that I succesfully use obexd-0.45 with PBAP. |
| 00:23.55 | luf | The wrong part is that it doesn't fix the problem with my handsfree. Some contacts has number from another one and some names are missing. |
| 00:24.32 | luf | BTW what I have to do to put newer bluez (still need some tweak) and obexd into cssu? |
| 00:25.23 | luf | BTW whole weekend I'll be away even without phone signal :D |
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| 02:56.54 | Timmo_ | peace ppl |
| 02:57.26 | Timmo_ | every thing goes about positive |
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| 10:38.56 | kerio | so... the operator name applet is wrong |
| 10:39.27 | kerio | which is your (cssu) problem, because you forced it on me |
| 10:39.51 | kerio | my operator has a weird thing where it uses another operator for gsm |
| 10:40.10 | kerio | national roaming, or something |
| 10:40.36 | kerio | anyway, the operator widget doesn't update correctly when i switch between gsm and umts |
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| 10:52.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: obviously opernamewidget should go |
| 10:52.25 | kerio | fucking indeed |
| 10:52.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | which I hope it will for next CSSU-T update |
| 10:53.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | once some cracks explained to me CSSU can't roll back any pkg ever delivered. Have to thing about a way to prove them wrong |
| 10:53.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | think* |
| 10:54.37 | kerio | well, it's true, isn't it |
| 10:54.44 | kerio | no, wait |
| 10:54.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | if we can't bump version of original operator widget, we probably need a MP |
| 10:54.59 | kerio | just don't depend on it, it'll get autoremoved |
| 10:55.03 | kerio | in theory |
| 10:55.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha |
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| 10:55.32 | kerio | don't mock me :c |
| 10:55.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
| 10:56.03 | kerio | is the widget in cssu-s? |
| 10:56.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | was a bitter self-ironic haha |
| 10:56.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | thank god it's not |
| 10:56.26 | kerio | testing is here for a reason, "remove that package if you want" is enough |
| 10:56.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 10:56.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | just alowing removal |
| 10:56.43 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you could also fix the bug! |
| 10:57.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | the main bug is the applet itself, which conflicts with other alternative opername applets |
| 10:57.54 | kerio | couldn't the original package be replaced? |
| 10:58.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, that's what this CBSMS-widget does |
| 10:58.56 | kerio | no, i mean |
| 10:59.03 | kerio | replace the original package |
| 10:59.10 | kerio | the nokia one |
| 10:59.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, you lost me |
| 10:59.47 | kerio | how do alternative widgets work? |
| 10:59.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | replace where? by what? |
| 11:00.04 | kerio | i don't know D: |
| 11:00.35 | kerio | why does it have to conflict with other widgets if it's just an upgrade to the stock one? |
| 11:00.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | smscb-widget afaik has a conflicting dependency with the original, so kicks out the original |
| 11:01.12 | kerio | why isn't *it* the original? |
| 11:01.23 | kerio | we're cssu |
| 11:01.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | sips on his coffee and wonders who's the one not awake now |
| 11:02.31 | kerio | i mean, why doesn't it have the same name as the stock widget, with a higher version? |
| 11:02.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | sips a bit more, to make sure there's a long way yet to full-awake state |
| 11:03.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc, kerio |
| 11:03.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not a packager |
| 11:03.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just the bitching asshole with a clue about everything but capable of nothing |
| 11:04.15 | kerio | neat, me too |
| 11:04.53 | kerio | anyway, the stock opname widget looked fine to me |
| 11:05.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed it was my fault |
| 11:05.12 | kerio | if people want cell broadcast, they can just install an extra widget for it |
| 11:05.34 | kerio | i mean, an actual widget |
| 11:06.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't realize the optional nature of this cbsms-widget. Neither the implications with other alternative opername pkgs |
| 11:06.47 | kerio | it's oj |
| 11:06.48 | kerio | ok |
| 11:06.56 | kerio | :) |
| 11:08.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | somebody said "I give a fsck about custom-oper-name widget. It's a dirty botcch anyway" and I agreed :-S |
| 11:08.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~spank DocScrutinizer05 |
| 11:08.40 | infobot | ACTION bends DocScrutinizer05 over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on DocScrutinizer05's pasty white buttocks. |
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| 11:09.18 | kerio | you like it don't ya |
| 11:09.21 | kerio | you dirty bitch |
| 11:09.40 | kerio | erhm |
| 11:09.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I contributed to it, and that got me biased and blind |
| 11:09.44 | kerio | what? |
| 11:10.13 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oh, so you can fix it |
| 11:10.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, it's jonwil's baby |
| 11:10.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I only helped |
| 11:10.48 | kerio | hm |
| 11:11.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | now I think it's my duty to move it to cssu-optional |
| 11:12.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | or kill it for now |
| 11:13.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders if merlin1991 already has an ETA for cssu-optional infra |
| 11:19.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | DANG, mail from work at weekends |
| 11:19.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | luckily with a "INVALID, WONTFIX" :-) |
| 11:20.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, kinda. For our domain it's INVALID |
| 11:21.51 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: extras-devel, aka cssu-optional? |
| 11:22.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, they are twins |
| 11:22.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | somewhat |
| 11:23.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-optional kinda is to cssu what extras(-devel) is to maemo |
| 11:24.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | though our concept is from top-down back on its feet, since every repo has its own optional pkgs |
| 11:24.21 | kerio | you know what else is like extras(-devel) to maemo, but for cssu? |
| 11:24.30 | kerio | extras(-devel) |
| 11:25.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but then I have to agree deploying opername applets in extras(-*) repos is a botch, as it messes with core maemo system and that's a cssu domain |
| 11:26.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, we probably could ship the fixed7patched libsms.so via cssu-core and the applet via extras |
| 11:27.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | still not clean, but at least not worse than the other opername applets |
| 11:28.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd probably do it that way, for now |
| 11:29.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc jonwil been eager to ship it via cssu, again driven by odd understanding of what cssu is meant to be |
| 12:47.10 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: and still no KP51 :c |
| 12:48.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and each time you bitch about it, it gets delayed another week |
| 12:49.05 | kerio | can i make the counter wrap around so it was released two billion years ago? |
| 12:49.24 | kerio | because that's what they're hoping to do for half life 3, i think |
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| 14:21.34 | kerio | eventually, cssu will ship a new battery meter, right? |
| 14:21.52 | kerio | can i get some kind of icon for the charging battery? like a plug in the battery or something? |
| 14:46.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I support that |
| 14:46.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | the animation is kinda... annoyingly indifferent |
| 14:47.13 | Lava_Croft | animation is fine, the only thing that should change is its base image |
| 14:47.23 | Lava_Croft | currently the base image does not reflect how much charge is left |
| 14:48.05 | Lava_Croft | charging animation starts at zero and ends at full |
| 14:48.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is meanlingless during charge anyway |
| 14:48.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | somewhat at least |
| 14:49.00 | Lava_Croft | its annoying to not be able to see how charged the battery is |
| 14:49.08 | Lava_Croft | (from the icon, when charging) |
| 14:49.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not averse agiainst animation, but there should be a better distinguishable icon for sure |
| 14:49.23 | Lava_Croft | oh, the icon works fine for me |
| 14:49.38 | Lava_Croft | dont think cssu should change that kind of art anyway |
| 14:49.42 | Lava_Croft | without some really good reason |
| 14:49.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | a) we got no proper info about how much charge in battery, during charging |
| 14:50.11 | Lava_Croft | can easily be done by starting the animation from the current charge image |
| 14:50.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | b) using same icon for discharging and charging is no brilliant idea, no matter how nifty any animation pattern you use |
| 14:50.46 | Lava_Croft | i think the battery entry in the status menu is whoefully empty tho! |
| 14:52.08 | Lava_Croft | if its discharging, its not animating like when its charging |
| 14:52.19 | Lava_Croft | so thats quite easy to distinguish |
| 14:53.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | c) IF we could display charge percentage and charging by only animation of current uni icon, it would mean charging state of an almost full battery (so we ever find a way to tell battery is almost full) would be pretty much invisible |
| 14:53.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | and no, to distinguish animation from no animation, you by definition have to watch the icon for a certain timespan |
| 14:54.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it's per se not "easy to distinguish" |
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| 14:55.47 | kerio | lightning or plug in the battery icon and level that reflects the battery's level is a good idea to me |
| 14:56.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the reason why you generally don't use animation in any professional data display, as primary source of info |
| 14:56.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: ++ |
| 14:56.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | though, as mentioned above, we have no proper value for charge level during charging |
| 14:57.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least not always |
| 14:57.37 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: sssssh |
| 14:57.39 | kerio | that's not important |
| 15:01.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | blinking warning lamp that's maybe on for 200ms and off for 800ms is a massive safety risk, as odds are the user looks at display 5 times and never sees warning lamp is actually on |
| 15:02.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | IF you're using blinking or animated display elements, those have to refresh state at a rate >8Hz |
| 15:02.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | to use a house number |
| 15:03.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | not entirely house number, as there's such a thing like a minimum timespan human brain needs to look at one picture to decode it at all |
| 15:03.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | refresh rate of blinking or animated displays has to be well less than that timespan |
| 15:04.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, in case of rate, probably "higher" is the right term |
| 15:04.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | or "faster" |
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| 15:05.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | for battery charge animation, that's clearly not given |
| 15:06.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | and due to CPU load, we don't want to speed up anim to fix that |
| 15:06.32 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: which warning lamp? :o |
| 15:06.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I'm for a dedicated charging icon |
| 15:06.44 | kerio | ^_^ |
| 15:07.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: the "reactor goes boom!" or "your fuel is empty!" warning lamp, pick any you want |
| 15:08.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | rule of thumb: any picture taken of the scene should always contain all available info of that moment |
| 15:09.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | a screenshot of N900 qouldn't at all show if battery is charging or not |
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| 15:09.49 | kerio | we were saying |
| 15:10.12 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: would that require a preference pane and a way to configure it? |
| 15:10.28 | kerio | i mean, eventually cssu will need a new battery meter |
| 15:10.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: please rephrase |
| 15:10.57 | kerio | should the animationless battery icon be the default? |
| 15:11.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: cssu might eventually get an alternative battery meter, esp to cope with kernel-based bme replacement from PK |
| 15:11.38 | kerio | yep, because of that |
| 15:11.40 | kerio | and hostmode |
| 15:11.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | emphasis on alternative |
| 15:11.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | as in "optional alternative" |
| 15:12.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | optional like opt-in (or maybe even opt-out), alternative as "conflicts with original battery meter" |
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| 15:14.39 | kerio | so bme will stay in maemo forever? |
| 15:14.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I could think of user creating her own icons (even animated) for charging and discharging state |
| 15:15.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no bug reported against bme that would justify a mandatory kick-out of system in cssu |
| 15:16.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | anb believe me, a LOT of users feel scared by any messing with BatteryManagementEntity |
| 15:16.49 | kerio | i'm not so convinced that "closed source" is not a good enough reason to replace |
| 15:17.00 | kerio | hm :c |
| 15:17.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: closed source never been any of the valid reasons to mandatorily replace a (sub)system via CSSU |
| 15:18.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, who except RMS would notice any difference while using this system with foss alternative? |
| 15:18.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | qui bono? |
| 15:19.32 | kerio | bme doesn't support portrait mode! /s |
| 15:19.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | "here Frank, look at this! It looks just like before, but now it's based on FOSS!" ?? |
| 15:21.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly we got other trouble than closed source in bme |
| 15:25.47 | kerio | DocScrutinizer05: like what? |
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