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07:01.40kerioare there plans to change the file picker?
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15:17.58merlin1991kerio: no, but we're always open to suggestions
15:38.45keriomerlin1991: (if that reply was re: openmediaplayer) i hereby officially suggest we install open media player as the default media player
15:38.59kerioalthough it will probably break stuff like file opening in the file browser and the like
15:39.04merlin1991it was about: <kerio> are there plans to change the file picker?
15:39.04kerioi'm not sure OMP can handle those
15:39.08keriooh, nvm :c
15:39.19keriomerlin1991: i hereby suggest we move to a file picker that doesn't suck balls, then
15:39.25merlin1991:D
15:39.38keriowhat about changing the media player?
15:39.47merlin1991also OMP can handle those (at least partially), it actually started with a code snipped from me :)
15:40.07merlin1991it at least has that really weird video playback bug
15:41.01keriowhich bug?
15:42.21merlin1991phantom windows that pop up and close immediately
15:42.39merlin1991for me it happens when I select a video and go back to the seleciton screen
15:42.55merlin1991on the tmo thread there were a few other situations where it happened aswell
15:46.02keriowill maemo programs break if they suddenly start getting weird paths from the file picker?
15:46.19merlin1991well they shouldn't but they could
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15:47.51keriook, so... SHALL NOT?
15:47.56kerioas DocScrutinizer would say
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16:02.31merlin1991but why would the file picker send weird paths?
16:03.28keriomerlin1991: well, "weird"
16:03.39keriofor instance, if we had a file picker that lets us browse the whole /
16:03.47kerioyou know
16:03.48keriopaths
16:07.13kerioooh, upgrade for alarmd
16:08.26keriogaaaaaaaah why is HAM so fucking slow
16:08.29kerioi don't believe it
16:08.53merlin1991how many repos do you have?
16:08.54keriosuggestion for CSSU: replace HAM with fapman
16:09.10keriomerlin1991: nokia defaults, extras, extras-testing, extras-devel, community-testing
16:09.19kerioREALLY
16:09.27kerioFIVE MINUTES OF WAITING AND YOU HAVE NO UPDATES
16:09.31kerioakgsasghjahsgj
16:09.52keriooh fapman, why did i ever betray you with ham
16:15.06Lava_Croftbecause of its package name of course
16:15.13Lava_Crofti mean, fapman, come on now
16:16.41keriooh god, it asks me to install gcc-4.6-base
16:16.43keriois this intended
16:17.21kerioalso, how are you supposed to upgrade packages that don't appear in HAM?
16:17.23kerioapt?
16:18.53keriooh crap my most recent backup is... kinda old
16:18.59kerioi don't know what i did since that
16:19.11keriooh well, let's hope alarmd isn't fucked now
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17:46.30merlin1991kerio: you should get rid of some of those repos, ie you could disable extras and extras-testing
17:46.39merlin1991also gcc-4.6-base?
17:47.56keriomerlin1991: yeah, i realize that's not the whole of gcc
17:48.02kerio(which i installed afterwards, because fuck yeah gcc)
17:48.22kerioeven though it was installed as gcc-4.6 only, for some weird reason
17:49.00keriomerlin1991: i thought that extras and -testing had packages that weren't in -devel
17:49.32merlin1991nope it goes extras < testing < devel
17:52.44keriomerlin1991: are you *sure* about that
17:53.03merlin1991it is like that except one or two packages
17:53.14merlin1991but you always have the newest versions in -devel anywa
17:53.16merlin1991y
17:53.24kerioBUT WHAT IF I NEED THOSE TWO PACKAGES D:
17:53.28keriothe horror
17:53.31kerioof a failed apt installation
17:53.46merlin1991so only if you depend on using some old as fuck package that got removed from -devel you need other repos
17:53.53merlin1991and in that case you can always enable them again ;)
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18:04.43keriosilly question: what should be the repo name for community-testing in HAM?
18:05.17kerioalso, do i need the ovi repository?
18:06.54merlin1991you need ovi only if you install stuff from the ovi store
18:07.21keriomeh, i might as well keep it
18:07.25kerioit's probably not big anyway
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19:27.05DocScrutinizerhaha
19:28.27DocScrutinizerjust for a tiny test: disable ovi, extras-testing, extras-devel (it,s just one click basically to disable/re-enable a repo)
19:28.35DocScrutinizeryou'll be surprised
19:28.48_freemangordonhow fast HAM is?
19:29.16DocScrutinizerwell, I refuse to use the words fast and HAM in same yentence, but... yes
19:29.28freemangordon;)
19:29.55DocScrutinizerthe waiting goes down from >5min to <1:30
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19:30.56freemangordonyeah, extras-devel is huuuge
19:30.57kerioso ovi is to blame too
19:30.57kerioneat
19:34.54DocScrutinizerI honestly don't get it why nobody is using html sites with nice lists of pkgs and one-click-installer
19:35.59DocScrutinizerinstead of bitching about slooooow HAM
19:36.08DocScrutinizeror using fecked fapman
19:37.19DocScrutinizeractually I think maemo.org pkg interface is missing such a button/link on each package description page
19:38.17DocScrutinizerafaik there are other alternative sites though, that offer exactly that
19:42.46DocScrutinizerhttp://my-maemo.com/downloads/search.php?name=Alarmed
19:42.59DocScrutinizer"Try it"
19:43.18DocScrutinizer-> http://my-maemo.com/downloads/sendfile.php4?DownloadID=1043
19:43.23DocScrutinizer-->
19:43.38DocScrutinizer[install]
19:43.39DocScrutinizercatalogues = extras-devel
19:43.41DocScrutinizerpackage   = alarmed
19:43.42DocScrutinizer[extras-devel]
19:43.44DocScrutinizername = Extras-Devel
19:43.45DocScrutinizeruri = http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/
19:43.47DocScrutinizercomponents = free non-free
19:43.59DocScrutinizer.
19:44.14DocScrutinizerinstalling alarmed *via HAM* just one click away
19:44.24DocScrutinizer...no 5 min waiting
19:57.53keriowhat's alarmed?
19:58.04kerioalso, what's wrong with fapman, apart from the name?
19:58.10keriowhich i still think is awesome, btw
20:00.27NIN101with fapman, something can happen wrong and your N900 is happily awaiting a reflash.
20:00.58kerioD:
20:00.59keriolike what
20:01.04kerioand why can't that happen with HAM?
20:03.21NIN101well I am not familiar with the details, but I think it's somehow related specialities in some maemo .debs
20:05.01keriooic
20:05.02kerioanyway
20:05.13keriosomething can happen wrong and my N900 is happily awaiting a restore from backupmenu
20:05.17keriothat takes like 2 minutes
20:05.21kerioc:
20:10.32kerioi suppose that the main thing fapman has is that ovi's repo is disabled by default
20:25.04kerioooh, an update for hildon-application-manager
20:25.06keriolook at this
20:25.45keriohrmpf, doesn't appear on HAM itself
20:25.56kerioDocScrutinizer: how do you deal with package upgrades that don't appear in HAM?
20:27.30DocScrutinizererrr
20:28.13kerioif you say apt you're a bit hypocritical
20:28.16DocScrutinizeropen a ticket?
20:29.03keriodude, *any* upgrade that's not for a "user-serviceable" package doesn't appear in ham by default
20:32.09kerioin this case, apt-get upgrade would allow me to update a bunch of packages, including hildon-application-manager
20:32.47kerio(i didn't have red pill mode enabled)
20:36.00DocScrutinizerso where's the problem?
20:36.47keriowell, you just said that HAM is the only thing that allows a lack of fuckedupness
20:37.20DocScrutinizeryou usually don't want to do apt-get upgrade *because* it indiscriminately updates all packages.
20:37.52keriobut... higher versions!
20:38.01keriodey r cool
20:38.08DocScrutinizerI don't see a problem in using apt-get install <pkgname> in this case
20:38.46DocScrutinizerafter all the package hasn't been installed by HAM in the first place
20:39.08DocScrutinizerotherwise HAM would also show the update
20:39.57kerioDocScrutinizer: well i certainly didn't install hildon-application-manager :)
20:40.01DocScrutinizerand btw apt-get tends to auto-remove stuff as well
20:40.13kerioi don't get how the cssu stuff is supposed to be updated by the "end user"
20:40.43DocScrutinizerHAM should get updated with next CSSU, as it's a bit like updating apt
20:41.00keriodo you only get big "update chunks" with cssu-stable?
20:41.08DocScrutinizeryes, alas
20:41.17kerioDocScrutinizer: hey, what a coincidence, i just upgraded both ham and apt
20:41.17kerio:D
20:41.20DocScrutinizerthough the plan is to change that
20:41.38keriowell, i suppose that it's not that bad
20:41.52kerioalthough you probably want faster upgrades for security fixes
20:42.13DocScrutinizeroriginally one of the ideas of CSSU been to get rid of Nokia's terrible mega-blob-update scheme
20:42.36keriogaaah not having xterm-256color in terminfo is *so* annoying
20:53.42kerioHAM updated
20:53.45kerioHAM still slow as fuck
21:08.51amiconnHmm, where does the N900 store the wifi configuration?
21:09.08amiconnneeds to retrieve a psk in cleartext
21:11.03DocScrutinizeramiconn: gconf
21:11.22DocScrutinizerI posted a minihowto for your problem on tmo
21:12.09DocScrutinizerhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68063
21:12.38DocScrutinizergconftool-2 -R /|grep -C15 <name/SSID_of_your_AP>
21:14.14DocScrutinizerhit "thanks" if you feel it been useful! ;-D
21:14.32kerioDocScrutinizer: are "thanks"es counted somewhere, on TMO?
21:14.44kerioif so, then oh you karmawhore
21:15.31DocScrutinizer:-P
21:16.13DocScrutinizerI'm kinda proud of my thanks/post ratio
21:16.39DocScrutinizerthough it quite dropped a bit with all the troll bashing lately
21:17.01DocScrutinizerbeen at 7/1 once, or at least near
21:17.50amiconndoesn't see a "thanks" button :/
21:18.04DocScrutinizerthen you're not lgged in
21:18.44DocScrutinizerdinner, o/
21:22.15DocScrutinizerhey, my 2500th pending
21:22.34DocScrutinizerhopes for amiconn finding the login button ;-)
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21:25.54amiconndoes not have a tmo login
21:27.51DocScrutinizeroooh
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21:49.52MrPinguJust saw the adeclock-thread on TMO. I know there are plans to include it in CSSU. How's that going?
21:52.12keriowhat's wrong with the stock clock? :(
21:52.29MrPinguNot open-source AFAIK ;)
21:52.45keriooic
21:52.50kerioyeah, that's kinda bad
21:52.52kerioyou know what's worse?
21:52.55MrPinguThere's nothing wrong with adeclock either ;)
21:52.58kerioA BROWSER
21:53.04keriolike, *the* browser
21:55.13MrPinguYes :(
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