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07:01.40 | kerio | are there plans to change the file picker? |
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15:17.58 | merlin1991 | kerio: no, but we're always open to suggestions |
15:38.45 | kerio | merlin1991: (if that reply was re: openmediaplayer) i hereby officially suggest we install open media player as the default media player |
15:38.59 | kerio | although it will probably break stuff like file opening in the file browser and the like |
15:39.04 | merlin1991 | it was about: <kerio> are there plans to change the file picker? |
15:39.04 | kerio | i'm not sure OMP can handle those |
15:39.08 | kerio | oh, nvm :c |
15:39.19 | kerio | merlin1991: i hereby suggest we move to a file picker that doesn't suck balls, then |
15:39.25 | merlin1991 | :D |
15:39.38 | kerio | what about changing the media player? |
15:39.47 | merlin1991 | also OMP can handle those (at least partially), it actually started with a code snipped from me :) |
15:40.07 | merlin1991 | it at least has that really weird video playback bug |
15:41.01 | kerio | which bug? |
15:42.21 | merlin1991 | phantom windows that pop up and close immediately |
15:42.39 | merlin1991 | for me it happens when I select a video and go back to the seleciton screen |
15:42.55 | merlin1991 | on the tmo thread there were a few other situations where it happened aswell |
15:46.02 | kerio | will maemo programs break if they suddenly start getting weird paths from the file picker? |
15:46.19 | merlin1991 | well they shouldn't but they could |
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15:47.51 | kerio | ok, so... SHALL NOT? |
15:47.56 | kerio | as DocScrutinizer would say |
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16:02.31 | merlin1991 | but why would the file picker send weird paths? |
16:03.28 | kerio | merlin1991: well, "weird" |
16:03.39 | kerio | for instance, if we had a file picker that lets us browse the whole / |
16:03.47 | kerio | you know |
16:03.48 | kerio | paths |
16:07.13 | kerio | ooh, upgrade for alarmd |
16:08.26 | kerio | gaaaaaaaah why is HAM so fucking slow |
16:08.29 | kerio | i don't believe it |
16:08.53 | merlin1991 | how many repos do you have? |
16:08.54 | kerio | suggestion for CSSU: replace HAM with fapman |
16:09.10 | kerio | merlin1991: nokia defaults, extras, extras-testing, extras-devel, community-testing |
16:09.19 | kerio | REALLY |
16:09.27 | kerio | FIVE MINUTES OF WAITING AND YOU HAVE NO UPDATES |
16:09.31 | kerio | akgsasghjahsgj |
16:09.52 | kerio | oh fapman, why did i ever betray you with ham |
16:15.06 | Lava_Croft | because of its package name of course |
16:15.13 | Lava_Croft | i mean, fapman, come on now |
16:16.41 | kerio | oh god, it asks me to install gcc-4.6-base |
16:16.43 | kerio | is this intended |
16:17.21 | kerio | also, how are you supposed to upgrade packages that don't appear in HAM? |
16:17.23 | kerio | apt? |
16:18.53 | kerio | oh crap my most recent backup is... kinda old |
16:18.59 | kerio | i don't know what i did since that |
16:19.11 | kerio | oh well, let's hope alarmd isn't fucked now |
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17:46.30 | merlin1991 | kerio: you should get rid of some of those repos, ie you could disable extras and extras-testing |
17:46.39 | merlin1991 | also gcc-4.6-base? |
17:47.56 | kerio | merlin1991: yeah, i realize that's not the whole of gcc |
17:48.02 | kerio | (which i installed afterwards, because fuck yeah gcc) |
17:48.22 | kerio | even though it was installed as gcc-4.6 only, for some weird reason |
17:49.00 | kerio | merlin1991: i thought that extras and -testing had packages that weren't in -devel |
17:49.32 | merlin1991 | nope it goes extras < testing < devel |
17:52.44 | kerio | merlin1991: are you *sure* about that |
17:53.03 | merlin1991 | it is like that except one or two packages |
17:53.14 | merlin1991 | but you always have the newest versions in -devel anywa |
17:53.16 | merlin1991 | y |
17:53.24 | kerio | BUT WHAT IF I NEED THOSE TWO PACKAGES D: |
17:53.28 | kerio | the horror |
17:53.31 | kerio | of a failed apt installation |
17:53.46 | merlin1991 | so only if you depend on using some old as fuck package that got removed from -devel you need other repos |
17:53.53 | merlin1991 | and in that case you can always enable them again ;) |
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18:04.43 | kerio | silly question: what should be the repo name for community-testing in HAM? |
18:05.17 | kerio | also, do i need the ovi repository? |
18:06.54 | merlin1991 | you need ovi only if you install stuff from the ovi store |
18:07.21 | kerio | meh, i might as well keep it |
18:07.25 | kerio | it's probably not big anyway |
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19:27.05 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
19:28.27 | DocScrutinizer | just for a tiny test: disable ovi, extras-testing, extras-devel (it,s just one click basically to disable/re-enable a repo) |
19:28.35 | DocScrutinizer | you'll be surprised |
19:28.48 | _freemangordon | how fast HAM is? |
19:29.16 | DocScrutinizer | well, I refuse to use the words fast and HAM in same yentence, but... yes |
19:29.28 | freemangordon | ;) |
19:29.55 | DocScrutinizer | the waiting goes down from >5min to <1:30 |
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19:30.56 | freemangordon | yeah, extras-devel is huuuge |
19:30.57 | kerio | so ovi is to blame too |
19:30.57 | kerio | neat |
19:34.54 | DocScrutinizer | I honestly don't get it why nobody is using html sites with nice lists of pkgs and one-click-installer |
19:35.59 | DocScrutinizer | instead of bitching about slooooow HAM |
19:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | or using fecked fapman |
19:37.19 | DocScrutinizer | actually I think maemo.org pkg interface is missing such a button/link on each package description page |
19:38.17 | DocScrutinizer | afaik there are other alternative sites though, that offer exactly that |
19:42.46 | DocScrutinizer | http://my-maemo.com/downloads/search.php?name=Alarmed |
19:42.59 | DocScrutinizer | "Try it" |
19:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | -> http://my-maemo.com/downloads/sendfile.php4?DownloadID=1043 |
19:43.23 | DocScrutinizer | --> |
19:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | [install] |
19:43.39 | DocScrutinizer | catalogues = extras-devel |
19:43.41 | DocScrutinizer | package = alarmed |
19:43.42 | DocScrutinizer | [extras-devel] |
19:43.44 | DocScrutinizer | name = Extras-Devel |
19:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | uri = http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ |
19:43.47 | DocScrutinizer | components = free non-free |
19:43.59 | DocScrutinizer | . |
19:44.14 | DocScrutinizer | installing alarmed *via HAM* just one click away |
19:44.24 | DocScrutinizer | ...no 5 min waiting |
19:57.53 | kerio | what's alarmed? |
19:58.04 | kerio | also, what's wrong with fapman, apart from the name? |
19:58.10 | kerio | which i still think is awesome, btw |
20:00.27 | NIN101 | with fapman, something can happen wrong and your N900 is happily awaiting a reflash. |
20:00.58 | kerio | D: |
20:00.59 | kerio | like what |
20:01.04 | kerio | and why can't that happen with HAM? |
20:03.21 | NIN101 | well I am not familiar with the details, but I think it's somehow related specialities in some maemo .debs |
20:05.01 | kerio | oic |
20:05.02 | kerio | anyway |
20:05.13 | kerio | something can happen wrong and my N900 is happily awaiting a restore from backupmenu |
20:05.17 | kerio | that takes like 2 minutes |
20:05.21 | kerio | c: |
20:10.32 | kerio | i suppose that the main thing fapman has is that ovi's repo is disabled by default |
20:25.04 | kerio | ooh, an update for hildon-application-manager |
20:25.06 | kerio | look at this |
20:25.45 | kerio | hrmpf, doesn't appear on HAM itself |
20:25.56 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: how do you deal with package upgrades that don't appear in HAM? |
20:27.30 | DocScrutinizer | errr |
20:28.13 | kerio | if you say apt you're a bit hypocritical |
20:28.16 | DocScrutinizer | open a ticket? |
20:29.03 | kerio | dude, *any* upgrade that's not for a "user-serviceable" package doesn't appear in ham by default |
20:32.09 | kerio | in this case, apt-get upgrade would allow me to update a bunch of packages, including hildon-application-manager |
20:32.47 | kerio | (i didn't have red pill mode enabled) |
20:36.00 | DocScrutinizer | so where's the problem? |
20:36.47 | kerio | well, you just said that HAM is the only thing that allows a lack of fuckedupness |
20:37.20 | DocScrutinizer | you usually don't want to do apt-get upgrade *because* it indiscriminately updates all packages. |
20:37.52 | kerio | but... higher versions! |
20:38.01 | kerio | dey r cool |
20:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | I don't see a problem in using apt-get install <pkgname> in this case |
20:38.46 | DocScrutinizer | after all the package hasn't been installed by HAM in the first place |
20:39.08 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise HAM would also show the update |
20:39.57 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: well i certainly didn't install hildon-application-manager :) |
20:40.01 | DocScrutinizer | and btw apt-get tends to auto-remove stuff as well |
20:40.13 | kerio | i don't get how the cssu stuff is supposed to be updated by the "end user" |
20:40.43 | DocScrutinizer | HAM should get updated with next CSSU, as it's a bit like updating apt |
20:41.00 | kerio | do you only get big "update chunks" with cssu-stable? |
20:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | yes, alas |
20:41.17 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: hey, what a coincidence, i just upgraded both ham and apt |
20:41.17 | kerio | :D |
20:41.20 | DocScrutinizer | though the plan is to change that |
20:41.38 | kerio | well, i suppose that it's not that bad |
20:41.52 | kerio | although you probably want faster upgrades for security fixes |
20:42.13 | DocScrutinizer | originally one of the ideas of CSSU been to get rid of Nokia's terrible mega-blob-update scheme |
20:42.36 | kerio | gaaah not having xterm-256color in terminfo is *so* annoying |
20:53.42 | kerio | HAM updated |
20:53.45 | kerio | HAM still slow as fuck |
21:08.51 | amiconn | Hmm, where does the N900 store the wifi configuration? |
21:09.08 | amiconn | needs to retrieve a psk in cleartext |
21:11.03 | DocScrutinizer | amiconn: gconf |
21:11.22 | DocScrutinizer | I posted a minihowto for your problem on tmo |
21:12.09 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68063 |
21:12.38 | DocScrutinizer | gconftool-2 -R /|grep -C15 <name/SSID_of_your_AP> |
21:14.14 | DocScrutinizer | hit "thanks" if you feel it been useful! ;-D |
21:14.32 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: are "thanks"es counted somewhere, on TMO? |
21:14.44 | kerio | if so, then oh you karmawhore |
21:15.31 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
21:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | I'm kinda proud of my thanks/post ratio |
21:16.39 | DocScrutinizer | though it quite dropped a bit with all the troll bashing lately |
21:17.01 | DocScrutinizer | been at 7/1 once, or at least near |
21:17.50 | amiconn | doesn't see a "thanks" button :/ |
21:18.04 | DocScrutinizer | then you're not lgged in |
21:18.44 | DocScrutinizer | dinner, o/ |
21:22.15 | DocScrutinizer | hey, my 2500th pending |
21:22.34 | DocScrutinizer | hopes for amiconn finding the login button ;-) |
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21:25.54 | amiconn | does not have a tmo login |
21:27.51 | DocScrutinizer | oooh |
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21:49.52 | MrPingu | Just saw the adeclock-thread on TMO. I know there are plans to include it in CSSU. How's that going? |
21:52.12 | kerio | what's wrong with the stock clock? :( |
21:52.29 | MrPingu | Not open-source AFAIK ;) |
21:52.45 | kerio | oic |
21:52.50 | kerio | yeah, that's kinda bad |
21:52.52 | kerio | you know what's worse? |
21:52.55 | MrPingu | There's nothing wrong with adeclock either ;) |
21:52.58 | kerio | A BROWSER |
21:53.04 | kerio | like, *the* browser |
21:55.13 | MrPingu | Yes :( |
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