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| 00:25.01 | kent_autistic | freemangordon: ping |
| 00:25.38 | kent_autistic | new cssu testing still hasn't landed on my HAM |
| 00:27.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm |
| 00:28.22 | kent_autistic | i have pressed the update button many times already and apt-get update. still nothing |
| 00:32.44 | kent_autistic | DocScrutinizer05: hmmm? |
| 00:33.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | just strange |
| 00:34.17 | kent_autistic | yep. last thing i installed is new h-d which was posted in TMO cssu testing thread |
| 00:39.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr |
| 00:40.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | mp-fremantle-community-pr: |
| 00:40.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.05 | kent_autistic | holy crap |
| 00:42.12 | kent_autistic | Installed: (none) |
| 00:42.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-o |
| 00:42.49 | kent_autistic | Candidate: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo4 |
| 00:43.07 | kent_autistic | Version table: |
| 00:43.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | installation of h-d purged it |
| 00:43.25 | kent_autistic | 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo4 0 |
| 00:43.33 | kent_autistic | oooohhhh mehn |
| 00:44.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess an apt-get install will fix things |
| 00:44.36 | kent_autistic | install what? |
| 00:44.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | usual disclaimers apply |
| 00:44.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | mp-fremantle-community-pr |
| 00:45.50 | kent_autistic | apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr? |
| 00:45.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 00:46.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | my uneducated guess |
| 00:46.14 | kent_autistic | you sure? |
| 00:46.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | not at all |
| 00:46.27 | kent_autistic | i think il wait for a sure advise :) |
| 00:46.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 00:47.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get -s install mp-fremantle-community-pr |
| 00:47.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | when you're curious |
| 00:48.09 | kent_autistic | i am so curious |
| 00:48.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | -s No-act. Perform ordering simulation |
| 00:49.12 | kent_autistic | ayt |
| 00:50.41 | kent_autistic | seems ok i'll bite the bullet in a few |
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| 01:35.53 | kent_autistic | DocScrutinizer05: install went fine, going to reboot now |
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| 01:47.53 | kent_autistic | so option to customize operator name widget is gone? like customized name, font color, etc. |
| 02:05.08 | kent_autistic | DocScrutinizer05: you mentioned in TMO that we can install our preferred operator name widget |
| 02:06.12 | kent_autistic | but it can be uninstalled since its required by cssu |
| 02:06.44 | kent_autistic | and installing custom operator name widget in extras conflicts with it |
| 02:07.41 | kent_autistic | *cant |
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| 03:29.30 | LaoLang_cool | what is Operator Name Widget in the latest cssu version? |
| 03:29.38 | LaoLang_cool | How to use it? |
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| 08:04.34 | Estel_ | hm, how to properly use new features of operator name widget? what is "cell broadcast channel"? |
| 08:04.53 | Estel_ | I understand, that it should allow uds to see cell we're lggen into... |
| 08:05.10 | Estel_ | In my case, ticking it doesn't change anything. And that channel thing? |
| 08:05.16 | Estel_ | is it documented somewhere? |
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| 08:55.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: we got a problem (CBS-widget) |
| 08:55.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: ^^^ |
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| 10:12.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: see my last post on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80525&page=70 |
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| 10:13.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | it has a link to original thread, but I wonder if I could... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80526&page=3 here you are :-D |
| 10:13.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, the both threads seem neighbours |
| 10:14.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 10:26.07 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer05, it's too technological for me to understand... |
| 10:31.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | LaoLang_cool: this CBS-widget replaces your static operator name with any location info your operator might send on a special bradcast channel |
| 10:31.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | boadcast even |
| 10:32.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | depending on your operator this might be the town you're in, the quarter you're in, or simply a Tower (BTS) ID number |
| 10:33.40 | amiconn | Typo replacement ;) |
| 10:33.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | if none of those gets sent, the widget is supposed to display the original operator string as you have in original maemo |
| 10:35.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: MohammadA: I have a strange guts feelijng like libsms is clearly core CSSU, but the widget stuff might live in 'optional' |
| 10:35.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: when is 'optional' infra going to be in place? ;-D |
| 10:37.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: MohammadAG: we clearly have a dependency collision with custom-operator-name-widget |
| 10:37.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | strange thing: it seems undecided to either block CSSU update, or simply purge previously installed custom widget |
| 10:39.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's rather unfortunate that nobody of the beta testers nor devels (incl me) seems has thought about custom-operator-name-widget and similar stuff |
| 10:39.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~spank DocScrutinizer |
| 10:39.27 | infobot | ACTION bends DocScrutinizer over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on DocScrutinizer's pasty white buttocks. |
| 10:40.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | clearly a duty I always claim as my primary domain, so everybody feel free to blame me for that oopsie |
| 10:42.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: URGENT!! we need a safe rollback instruction, my botch as invented in tmo isn't really what I like to hand out to users as the official solution |
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| 10:43.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | damndamndamn, seems everybody took 4 days off @ countryside, and back at monday |
| 10:44.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | on? |
| 10:44.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | on the bright side, the T users will not update while @ countryside ;-D |
| 10:58.00 | amiconn | Why not? |
| 11:05.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 11:05.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just hoping :-) |
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| 12:25.45 | LaoLang_cool | In HAM, there isn't any update available, but in the message of apt-get upgrade, there are updates of alarmd and libalarm2, should I upgrade them? |
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| 13:01.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | LaoLang_cool: short answer: no |
| 13:06.04 | LaoLang_cool | DocScrutinizer51, what about long answer? |
| 13:27.19 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: your tip in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80525&page=70 will foobar apt |
| 13:29.13 | LaoLang_cool | How to add a button of copy/paste on the status bar of xterm? |
| 13:29.35 | merlin1991 | download the source and make your own package ;) |
| 13:29.41 | LaoLang_cool | The menu's poping takes a bit long time |
| 13:29.52 | LaoLang_cool | merlin1991, oh, too advanced for me.. |
| 13:30.54 | LaoLang_cool | Is there a way to speed up the pop-up of menu? |
| 13:34.19 | Estel_ | yea, overclock to 2,2 GHZ. |
| 13:34.25 | Estel_ | and insert SSD hard drive |
| 13:34.36 | Estel_ | + add second core to our SoC |
| 13:34.39 | LaoLang_cool | wow! |
| 13:34.51 | Estel_ | and quantum computer module |
| 13:34.53 | Estel_ | ;) |
| 13:35.09 | Estel_ | seriously though, don't You have bigger problems, than poping-up of menu? |
| 13:35.11 | LaoLang_cool | I thought there is an option to control the time of popup |
| 13:35.16 | Estel_ | transitions.ini |
| 13:35.33 | Estel_ | search forum for it's patch, i don't have one handy |
| 13:35.53 | Estel_ | it's a file You need to edit by text editor |
| 13:36.22 | LaoLang_cool | Estel_, My english is poor, the menu I mean is on the right of title bar when click there |
| 13:36.38 | Estel_ | with applicatrion icons? |
| 13:36.48 | Estel_ | application* |
| 13:36.55 | Estel_ | no, wait, it's on the left |
| 13:37.03 | Estel_ | no idea what You're talking about, sorry :/ |
| 13:37.26 | Estel_ | You mean small blue arrow? |
| 13:37.28 | Estel_ | on screen? |
| 13:37.31 | Estel_ | right to the title? |
| 13:37.43 | LaoLang_cool | Estel_, for example, the triangle icon on the top, right beside of "X Terminal" |
| 13:37.56 | LaoLang_cool | Estel_, yes, you're power! |
| 13:38.06 | Estel_ | actually, the same happen, when you just click title itself - blue triangle is part of it |
| 13:38.19 | LaoLang_cool | Estel_, yes, that's it |
| 13:38.21 | Estel_ | generally, it's controlled via mentioned file "transitions.ini" |
| 13:38.26 | Estel_ | ~transition.ini |
| 13:38.37 | Estel_ | but, if it's very slow... |
| 13:38.43 | Estel_ | It could mean that You got Your swap fragmented |
| 13:38.53 | Estel_ | is it faster, when you're just after reboot of device? |
| 13:39.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: that's why I *urgently* asked you to provide a better tip |
| 13:39.14 | LaoLang_cool | Estel_, it's not slow, but I hope it can be more quick |
| 13:39.32 | Estel_ | it depends. Is it faster, when You're justa fter reboot? |
| 13:39.35 | Estel_ | after* |
| 13:40.01 | Estel_ | edit file: |
| 13:40.10 | LaoLang_cool | Estel_, It takes about 0.5s to pop up, I want it does 0.1s or less :) |
| 13:40.42 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: there is none |
| 13:40.46 | Estel_ | /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini |
| 13:40.54 | merlin1991 | the cssu mp depends on it, so you either have it or no cssu-t |
| 13:40.54 | Estel_ | edit this file |
| 13:41.03 | Estel_ | find line: |
| 13:41.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's what I thought, merlin1991 |
| 13:41.59 | Estel_ | ...that tells anything about menu - you got description there |
| 13:42.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's what happened with H-D as well |
| 13:42.11 | Estel_ | You also have values, in miliseconds |
| 13:42.18 | Estel_ | for example, 500 is half second |
| 13:42.26 | Estel_ | just find values too high, and make it lower, or even 0 |
| 13:42.30 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: whatabout h-d? |
| 13:42.46 | Estel_ | merlin1991, any way to determine broadcast channel my operator is using? |
| 13:42.56 | Estel_ | In my case, ticking any option doesn't result in anything |
| 13:43.01 | merlin1991 | Estel_: I have nfc :D |
| 13:43.01 | Estel_ | I still have t-mobile.pl |
| 13:43.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | (see backscroll) |
| 13:43.15 | LaoLang_cool | Estel_, which line? the lines under # Popup for dialogs and status menu? |
| 13:43.17 | merlin1991 | Estel_: afaik it only works on 2G |
| 13:43.21 | Estel_ | itit doesn't change into anything |
| 13:43.23 | Estel_ | I use 2g only |
| 13:43.33 | Estel_ | LaoLang_cool, honestly, I've no idea |
| 13:43.39 | Estel_ | I modified them to never exceed 250 |
| 13:43.43 | Estel_ | i.e. 1/4 sec |
| 13:43.48 | Estel_ | if something was too long, I cut it |
| 13:43.56 | Estel_ | so you just need to experiment |
| 13:43.57 | LaoLang_cool | [popup]|duration_in = 250|duration_out = 250 |
| 13:44.07 | Estel_ | as soon as you save settings, it should be in effect, no need for reboot |
| 13:44.19 | Estel_ | well, either it's different thing |
| 13:44.28 | Estel_ | or it takes only 1/4 second to appear, and 1/4 to dissapear |
| 13:44.33 | Estel_ | maybe You should check submenu? |
| 13:44.42 | Estel_ | merlin1991, any way to check if this widget is working for me at all? |
| 13:44.56 | Estel_ | it should change from default logo to whatever, I think? |
| 13:45.11 | Estel_ | no matter if it's cell tower id, location, or <ertror> |
| 13:45.19 | Estel_ | it's quite strange, that it's T-Mobile.pl no matter what :P |
| 13:45.23 | Estel_ | (just like before update) |
| 13:46.42 | Estel_ | Also, where does it log data if "logging" is ticked? |
| 13:46.54 | merlin1991 | Estel_: you need the right channel set + a provider that actually sends stuff |
| 13:47.10 | Estel_ | You're roight, i just discovered that mine send too much stuff |
| 13:47.22 | Estel_ | it still shows T-Mobile.pl, but, next data is after this |
| 13:47.26 | Estel_ | almsot off screen :P |
| 13:47.40 | Estel_ | fun fact - no matter how crazxy channel i set up, it works |
| 13:47.43 | Estel_ | so defasult 50 works |
| 13:47.49 | Estel_ | but 49 or 2 too :P |
| 13:48.11 | LaoLang_cool | How to change the date format to 2012-06-09? |
| 13:48.18 | merlin1991 | oh ffs, buntkuh update brought pulseaudio back |
| 13:48.33 | merlin1991 | LaoLang_cool: date format where? |
| 13:48.57 | LaoLang_cool | merlin1991, In the settings -> Language & region |
| 13:48.58 | Estel_ | merlin1991, ok, already googled for cell broadcast |
| 13:49.07 | Estel_ | got lsit of available channels |
| 13:49.26 | LaoLang_cool | I can't change it without the device language changed |
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| 14:28.28 | merlin1991 | freemangordon_: ping |
| 14:29.08 | freemangordon_ | pong |
| 14:29.36 | freemangordon_ | merlin1991 |
| 14:29.47 | merlin1991 | branch name for the -thum mp? |
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| 14:30.19 | merlin1991 | thumb-testing, or what branch did you use everywhere? |
| 14:30.32 | freemangordon_ | like others, i.e. thumb-testing |
| 14:30.50 | freemangordon_ | but check on gitorious, just in case |
| 14:31.15 | freemangordon_ | sorry, 8 am on th beach :P right now, inet is not very good |
| 14:32.15 | merlin1991 | beach, 8 am |
| 14:32.18 | merlin1991 | bastard :D |
| 14:32.29 | freemangordon_ | I am* |
| 14:32.38 | merlin1991 | still :D |
| 14:32.50 | freemangordon_ | 8 is on the same key as I on n900 |
| 14:33.01 | freemangordon_ | yeah 8-) |
| 14:33.03 | merlin1991 | why are you even using your n900 when you're at the beach? :D |
| 14:33.51 | freemangordon_ | I have to, should be online on the phone 24/7, part of my job |
| 14:34.10 | freemangordon_ | and was reading some news when you ping me |
| 14:34.42 | freemangordon_ | and I am curious WTF is screwed with the last update |
| 14:34.46 | freemangordon_ | ;-) |
| 14:35.06 | merlin1991 | I didn't see anything particulary screwed |
| 14:35.25 | merlin1991 | only the operator widget conflicting with 2 packages in -devel |
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| 14:38.14 | merlin1991 | btw freemangordon_ the new libwhatever from gcc is it only needed by qt or other things too? |
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| 14:39.51 | freemangordon_ | I think only qt needs it |
| 14:40.59 | freemangordon_ | not sure though, you think we should add dependencies for the other packages too? |
| 14:41.10 | freemangordon_ | merlin1991 |
| 14:41.28 | merlin1991 | well only if they link it / need it |
| 14:41.52 | merlin1991 | writes mp depends |
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| 14:42.12 | freemangordon_ | the only cpp is qt, all others are pure c afaik |
| 14:42.53 | freemangordon_ | /me wishes merlin1991 luck and goes afk |
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| 14:50.36 | merlin1991 | ffs, firefox-kde-support dropped, my global keybindings don't work, I had to remove pulseaudio again to get sound out of flash, and dhclient didn't run by itself but I had to invoke it manually |
| 14:50.43 | merlin1991 | kubuntu is driving me insane |
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| 15:21.27 | merlin1991 | FFS |
| 15:21.38 | merlin1991 | kate can't open the control file because the depends line is too long |
| 15:25.01 | merlin1991 | freemangordon_: you'll want to update hildon-home in thumb-testing, testing has a newer version |
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| 15:42.33 | merlin1991 | freemangordon_: ping |
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| 15:54.27 | freemangordon_ | pong |
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| 15:54.58 | freemangordon_ | merlin1991 |
| 15:55.16 | merlin1991 | which packages depend on libgail18 which is in the thumb repo? |
| 15:55.37 | freemangordon_ | noone, it is a part of gtk |
| 15:56.27 | merlin1991 | ah k |
| 15:56.39 | merlin1991 | it seems there is not a single package depending on it |
| 15:57.01 | freemangordon_ | yep |
| 15:57.32 | freemangordon_ | it is some gtk accessabilty library |
| 15:59.46 | merlin1991 | freemangordon_: also, should we depend on the cssu kernel flasher in the mp, or just have the errata depends everywhere else? |
| 16:05.17 | freemangordon_ | errata deopends only, that way the guys with KP can install -thumb .debs. though i have nfc hpw it will work in real life, i.e. which kernel ham will decide to flash |
| 16:06.02 | freemangordon_ | hmm, merlin1991, i am not sure |
| 16:06.35 | freemangordon_ | maybe it will be better to depend on kenel-cssu |
| 16:08.02 | merlin1991 | it's your baby, you decide :D |
| 16:09.41 | freemangordon_ | hmm, depends: kernel-cssu-flasher|kernel-feature-thumb-errata ? is that possible? |
| 16:11.28 | merlin1991 | hm it *should* work |
| 16:17.42 | merlin1991 | freemangordon_: you didn't upload the kernel to the thumb repo |
| 16:26.09 | merlin1991 | freemangordon_: I pushed an mp to gitorious that should work when you've uploaded the kernel to the thumb repo |
| 16:27.10 | freemangordon_ | merlin1991, it is in -devel repo |
| 16:28.09 | merlin1991 | so what? |
| 16:28.20 | merlin1991 | thumb repo should provide everything so thumb can run |
| 16:28.32 | merlin1991 | thus it should have 1 errata enabled kernel |
| 16:28.52 | merlin1991 | you know, self containing repos and such ;) |
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| 16:51.24 | freemangordon_ | merlin1991, yeah. can you just copy the .debs from -devel? |
| 16:54.31 | merlin1991 | hm that wouldn't import the source |
| 16:54.47 | merlin1991 | but I can drop everything into the incoming folder, so that you only have to add the .changes file |
| 16:55.04 | freemangordon_ | ok |
| 16:55.58 | freemangordon_ | unfortunately my desktop is not turned on, so i will do it tomorrow evening |
| 17:43.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: |
| 17:43.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~buntkuh |
| 17:43.18 | infobot | rumour has it, buntkuh is http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond |
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| 18:21.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~buntkuh is also http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind |
| 18:21.39 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 18:21.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~buntkuh |
| 18:21.44 | infobot | i guess buntkuh is http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind |
| 18:23.11 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: :D |
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| 19:25.12 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: I just spotted that your recovery procedure won't even run |
| 19:25.17 | merlin1991 | there is no apt-get -install :D |
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| 21:31.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I thought as much |
| 21:32.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I thought better give a non working advice that sketches an idea, than a working self-destruction instruction |
| 21:32.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I clearly quoted where from I c&p'd |
| 21:33.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: after all you're the packaging maintainer who's got a clue about apt, and dpkg, and dependencies, and .deb and whatnot |
| 21:33.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just an annoying QA, and sparrings partner for new ideas |
| 21:34.02 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 21:34.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I probably should edit that post |
| 21:35.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | hope you posted better more savvy advice meanwhile |
| 21:35.05 | merlin1991 | yeah get rid of the dashes :D |
| 21:35.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, I will get rid of all the fubar advice |
| 21:36.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all it was meant as a stopgap until somebody with a clue, like you, would step up to straighten things |
| 21:37.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | primarily it was meant to assure users we care |
| 21:37.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's your plan to fix the issue of conflicting dependencies? |
| 21:39.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders how 'original' custom-operator-name-widget handled the doubtlessly existing dependency to maemo-pr of that stock widget |
| 21:41.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | also wasn't the idea for CSSU to have no - or as small as possible - a MP at all? |
| 21:41.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | and rather use *real* dependencies whenever there are some |
| 21:43.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't see anything in CSSU core depending on fixed libsms, and I can't see CBS-widget depend on anything except fixed libsms |
| 21:45.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless since libsms is a core component that will fsckup system when missing, we probably could include that into cssu-MP, but we shouldn't include CBS-widget as a mandatory part of CSSU. System will work even without any operator widget at all |
| 21:45.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | my 0.02€ |
| 21:47.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | (I know I 'changed my mind' regarding that, as I simply didn't realize we're again running into a pitfall with this CBA-widget) |
| 21:49.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | by the outside look and POV CBS-widget clearly is a cssu-optional pkg. Sth that can run on CSSU only, but isn't needed to fix anything. It's even alternative |
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