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| 11:52.06 | kakashi__ | hi all |
| 11:52.23 | kakashi__ | I want to reinstall everything on n900 from scratch |
| 11:52.29 | kakashi__ | can I directly install cssu |
| 11:52.41 | kakashi__ | any pointers to that_ |
| 11:53.04 | NIN101 | afaik, there no official images with CSSU, so I think: no. |
| 11:53.33 | kakashi__ | so PR 1.3 and then cssu? |
| 11:53.34 | NIN101 | official as in "coming from the CSSU team"... |
| 11:53.37 | NIN101 | yes |
| 11:53.47 | kakashi__ | yes |
| 11:55.24 | kakashi__ | and any progress on mer/meego (by any chance maemo replacement)? |
| 12:40.13 | NIN101 | no maemo replacements. |
| 12:41.10 | amiconn | would rather keep maemo than go meego, but would like to see a few things updated |
| 12:42.04 | amiconn | would also like to know a few things |
| 12:42.43 | amiconn | Like, what stops kernel development from actually updating the kernel to a newer 2.6.x or even 3.x? |
| 12:43.57 | NIN101 | for example, depricated interfaces. |
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| 13:20.37 | *** topic/#maemo-ssu is Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version (testing): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo1.2 (stable): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo2.1 | meeting 14.03.2012 20:00 UTC, sry about missing the last one |
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| 14:52.23 | DocScrutinizer | amiconn: newer kernels not compatible OOTB to the closed blobs we still have on fremantle (gfx-accel only most popular example) |
| 14:54.17 | amiconn | I didn't know we do have such blobs. I thought such things aren't allowed for kernel stuff, as its license forbids that? |
| 14:55.36 | merlin1991 | amiconn: it's what all the vendors do |
| 14:55.42 | merlin1991 | have a gpl "interface" in the kernel |
| 14:55.54 | merlin1991 | and a closed userspace blob that does the actual stuff |
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| 15:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | on fremantle we got plenty of that |
| 15:44.01 | DocScrutinizer | well, scratch that statement, not all of what I thought of is actually kernel related |
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| 18:32.03 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3CWfP2Gw |
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| 18:33.01 | *** topic/#maemo-ssu by ChanServ -> Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version (testing): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo2 (stable): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo2.1 |
| 18:34.47 | Sicelo | MohammadAG: new cssu? |
| 18:35.55 | Sicelo | \o/ |
| 18:36.02 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 18:36.13 | MohammadAG | Sicelo, no, we decided to shut it down and raise the version number one final time |
| 18:36.14 | MohammadAG | :P |
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| 18:37.14 | *** topic/#maemo-ssu by DocScrutinizer -> Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version (testing): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo2; (stable): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo2.1 |
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| 18:37.51 | Sicelo | lol |
| 18:38.15 | DocScrutinizer | lol? |
| 18:38.24 | Sicelo | uses stable.. so doesn't really know current versions of testing |
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| 18:44.05 | freemangordon | MohammadAG, ke-recv is missing, as are alarmd and libhildonfm |
| 18:44.35 | MohammadAG | freemangordon, libhildonfm is there, I wasn't told to include the first two |
| 18:44.35 | freemangordon | well, linhildonfm is there but two others not |
| 18:44.51 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, ping |
| 18:45.05 | freemangordon | libhildonfm is because ke-recv, and alarmd has a bugfix |
| 18:47.29 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: ke-recv and alarmd will go into the next update |
| 18:47.35 | merlin1991 | end of coming week or after |
| 18:48.57 | freemangordon | I am not sure libhildonfm is tested with a version of ke-recv outside of latest in CSSU repo. and ke-recv seems rock-stable, as is alarmd, why those are not included? |
| 18:49.24 | merlin1991 | because building started before those were finished |
| 18:49.52 | merlin1991 | + next update should be really quick anyway |
| 18:49.56 | freemangordon | aah, ok |
| 18:50.00 | merlin1991 | there are a few things that can go into it |
| 18:50.00 | Sicelo | thanks to all involved. :) |
| 18:50.04 | freemangordon | :) |
| 18:50.29 | freemangordon | merlin1991, I am ok with that, as soon as it is not a mistake |
| 18:54.26 | DocScrutinizer | how to close friggin pdf reader when fullscreen and no hw kbd? |
| 18:55.17 | merlin1991 | unfullscreen and use the x? |
| 18:55.20 | Sicelo | guess you bring it out of full-screen first.. or power button ? |
| 18:55.23 | DocScrutinizer | aah, power button "close recent app" |
| 18:55.33 | Sicelo | :) |
| 18:55.50 | merlin1991 | ah it did crash? |
| 18:56.03 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: Sicelo: well, HOW do I bring it out of fullscreen? |
| 18:56.11 | merlin1991 | tap screen |
| 18:56.16 | DocScrutinizer | no way |
| 18:56.17 | merlin1991 | then you get the icon lower right corner |
| 18:56.22 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 18:56.52 | merlin1991 | hm that is with the pdf reader in stock maemo |
| 18:56.58 | merlin1991 | let's see on my -testing device |
| 18:56.58 | DocScrutinizer | neither with tap nor double- nor long-tap |
| 18:57.19 | merlin1991 | hm it's there |
| 18:57.29 | merlin1991 | lower right corner left from the scrollbar |
| 18:57.48 | DocScrutinizer | opened a pdf from xchat, then clicked the icon lower right and it went fullscreen and that''s it |
| 18:58.19 | DocScrutinizer | two ti |
| 18:58.42 | DocScrutinizer | tiny scrollbars right and bottom, and a context menu on tap-and-hold |
| 18:59.16 | DocScrutinizer | no way to go from fullscreen to "normal" mode |
| 19:00.52 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: http://cdnm.at/~christian/maemo/Screenshot-20120318-195923.png |
| 19:01.10 | DocScrutinizer | hmm weird, maybe I used hw kbd to enter a special fullscreen mode |
| 19:01.17 | Sicelo | tapping anywhere on mine brings up the full-screen icon at lower right |
| 19:01.49 | DocScrutinizer | MEH I zoomed in |
| 19:02.10 | DocScrutinizer | the lower-right icon is almost invisible white on white |
| 19:03.05 | Sicelo | buys DocScrutinizer a new set of glasses ;) |
| 19:04.10 | DocScrutinizer | buys Sicelo a book about GUI design principles and general usability |
| 19:04.44 | merlin1991 | Tells #maemo-ssu to FIX IT |
| 19:05.02 | merlin1991 | ffs we have the pdf reader already in the cssu |
| 19:05.03 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 19:05.59 | merlin1991 | though I wonder what would be a good solution |
| 19:06.06 | merlin1991 | have the icon with a non transparent bg? |
| 19:06.22 | MohammadAG | on first start, black everything, then point to the arrow with espeak saying "This is the exit fullscreen button" |
| 19:06.43 | merlin1991 | uh oh |
| 19:06.46 | MohammadAG | or do what the browser does, and have a transparent gray background |
| 19:07.02 | merlin1991 | that reminds me of the fsckd "this is how you swipe" intro on the n9 |
| 19:07.13 | Sicelo | so, cssu stable.. can we 'expect' one soon? |
| 19:07.25 | merlin1991 | unskippable up to a certain point and comes back whenever you reflash |
| 19:07.51 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, there's no such thing on the N950 :D |
| 19:08.35 | merlin1991 | Sicelo: I'm looking forward to inlcude the current hildon-desktop, hildon-home, hildon-status-menu, clutter and freetype after a short period of widespread -testing |
| 19:09.16 | Sicelo | kewl |
| 19:09.45 | merlin1991 | biggest feature you'll get is portrait wallpapers :) |
| 19:11.43 | Sicelo | pdf reader has translations now? and calculator, is it fixted? |
| 19:11.48 | Sicelo | *fixed |
| 19:12.18 | merlin1991 | pdf reader translation will show up in the next -testing |
| 19:14.04 | Sicelo | what about calculator? |
| 19:14.23 | merlin1991 | I'm not sure but I think the bug in calculator is fixed already |
| 19:14.29 | merlin1991 | though I have to investiagte |
| 19:15.43 | Sicelo | for us in stable it's not, yet |
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| 20:34.17 | Raimu | Ah, new testing release. Should it be updatable through app manager and community-testing repo now? |
| 20:34.36 | Raimu | (I don't see it yet) |
| 20:40.12 | merlin1991 | o_O it didn't land in repo |
| 20:40.32 | merlin1991 | I guess I'll have to pm X-Fade tomorrow |
| 20:41.41 | freemangordon | merlin1991, try to help with KP50 too. |
| 20:42.17 | merlin1991 | yeah I'll get a 5€ wrench and seek him out :D |
| 20:42.22 | merlin1991 | nah I'll see what I can do |
| 20:42.46 | freemangordon | both WFM :D |
| 20:43.02 | Raimu | However, I did get KP50 through some repo. |
| 20:43.47 | freemangordon | Raimu, after several tries it landed in repo, but is unaccesible through maemo extras interface, so cannot be promoted |
| 20:43.59 | Raimu | Ah, same old problem. |
| 20:44.04 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 20:44.58 | merlin1991 | headers and debug are in the package interface though |
| 20:45.30 | freemangordon | but only those :( |
| 20:46.06 | merlin1991 | so kp50 made it into the repo but not the interface? |
| 20:46.20 | freemangordon | yeah, the same as kp49 |
| 20:47.48 | kakashi___ | this is one stupid question, how do I know if I have PR1.3 |
| 20:47.59 | Raimu | It's not a stupid question. |
| 20:48.14 | kakashi___ | not the cssu, I am about to install the cssu, but I want to know if I have PR1.3 or not! |
| 20:48.27 | Raimu | "PR1.3" isn't a string that's displayed anywhere in the n900 |
| 20:48.32 | kakashi___ | yep |
| 20:48.34 | Raimu | You need to know it by its date revision number. |
| 20:48.59 | Raimu | 20.2010.36(PR1.3) or 21.2011.38(PR1.3.1) |
| 20:49.15 | Raimu | In settings -> about |
| 20:49.18 | kakashi___ | 20.2010.36-2 |
| 20:49.39 | kakashi___ | so now, can I install cssu? |
| 20:49.59 | Raimu | You sure can, I think. |
| 20:50.27 | kakashi___ | you still think there is a small bit of uncertainity? |
| 20:50.34 | Raimu | No. |
| 20:50.39 | Raimu | Just a figure of speech. |
| 20:50.54 | kakashi___ | ah! so, I can! |
| 20:51.05 | kakashi___ | thanks Raimu |
| 20:51.05 | Raimu | Yes! |
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| 22:13.45 | amiconn | DocScrutinizer: Are there maemo devices without hw kbd? |
| 22:14.01 | amiconn | deems Ctrl+Backspace an essential combo |
| 22:18.52 | DocScrutinizer | amiconn: sure, N800 for example |
| 22:19.06 | DocScrutinizer | you might argue whether N9 is another one |
| 22:20.28 | amiconn | Oh, didn't know that |
| 22:21.13 | amiconn | doesn't know much about the N900's precursors because he isn't interested in tablets at all |
| 22:58.11 | kakashi__ | I seriously need some help |
| 22:58.20 | kakashi__ | I just installed cssu-tesing through the website |
| 22:58.28 | kakashi__ | nothing great happened |
| 22:58.38 | kakashi__ | except for the stuff saying enabling-cssu |
| 22:58.53 | kakashi__ | so I did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 22:58.53 | kakashi__ | a |
| 22:58.59 | kakashi__ | and this is what i got - http://dpaste.com/718379/ |
| 22:59.18 | kakashi__ | that link also contains my apt-sources file |
| 22:59.56 | kakashi__ | it just says - The following packages have been kept back - these are all the packages that have to be updated |
| 23:00.03 | kakashi__ | can somebody please help me? |
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| 23:22.31 | merlin1991 | kakashi__: did you read the wiki? |
| 23:22.39 | merlin1991 | and follow the process? |
| 23:22.42 | kakashi__ | yep, well got it working |
| 23:22.56 | kakashi__ | i just did apt-get install "all the held back stuff" |
| 23:22.58 | kakashi__ | it worked |
| 23:23.02 | kakashi__ | its a hack |
| 23:23.07 | merlin1991 | it works without |
| 23:23.17 | merlin1991 | you first click the link on the wiki |
| 23:23.21 | kakashi__ | yes, but it didn't work initially because of the nameservers |
| 23:23.23 | kakashi__ | yes I did |
| 23:23.36 | merlin1991 | get asked by ham for repo + enabler package |
| 23:23.40 | kakashi__ | the other stuff - ovi/some nokia repos were not working |
| 23:23.44 | kakashi__ | yes |
| 23:23.47 | kakashi__ | I got that working |
| 23:23.49 | merlin1991 | RUN the enabler form the launcher |
| 23:23.54 | kakashi__ | yes |
| 23:23.56 | kakashi__ | done |
| 23:24.02 | kakashi__ | it restarted |
| 23:24.04 | kakashi__ | and said |
| 23:24.04 | merlin1991 | get ham open again |
| 23:24.09 | kakashi__ | updated operating system |
| 23:24.14 | merlin1991 | and install the update |
| 23:24.42 | kakashi__ | just a sec |
| 23:24.43 | merlin1991 | what does dpkg -l mp-fremantle-community-pr give you? |
| 23:25.25 | kakashi__ | http://dpaste.com/718387/ |
| 23:25.46 | kakashi__ | uh! |
| 23:25.49 | kakashi__ | is something wrong? |
| 23:25.57 | kakashi__ | merlin1991: ^^ |
| 23:26.35 | merlin1991 | and dpkg -l mp-fremantle* |
| 23:27.47 | kakashi__ | merlin1991: http://dpaste.com/718388/ |
| 23:28.37 | merlin1991 | odd |
| 23:28.40 | merlin1991 | that looks just fine |
| 23:28.53 | merlin1991 | did you install the mp-fremantle-... by hand aswell? |
| 23:28.58 | kakashi__ | yes |
| 23:29.29 | merlin1991 | after you ran the enabler, did ham open and show you an update? |
| 23:29.33 | kakashi__ | yes |
| 23:29.45 | kakashi__ | it said updated operating system after a reboot |
| 23:30.04 | merlin1991 | wonders what went bad there |
| 23:30.44 | kakashi__ | but at present you dont find anything wrong |
| 23:30.48 | kakashi__ | is that correct? |
| 23:31.07 | kakashi__ | (heh the wrong and the rights here seems weird :) ) |
| 23:31.39 | merlin1991 | yeah at present you "fixed it" |
| 23:31.45 | kakashi__ | yAy |
| 23:32.02 | merlin1991 | though it would have been great to check WHY it went bad before that |
| 23:32.14 | merlin1991 | can't do that as of now sadly :/ |
| 23:32.19 | merlin1991 | stupid maemo keeps no apt logs |
