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| 08:06.31 | ivgalvez | Unbelievable, TMO down again |
| 08:07.54 | freemangordon | :) |
| 08:08.07 | freemangordon | for the first time this year ;) |
| 08:09.16 | merlin1991 | Stop bashing tmo it has 99.99% uptime ;) |
| 08:10.02 | freemangordon | merlin1991, can I helpsomehow for bringing "repo-to-be" up" |
| 08:19.09 | ivgalvez | As far as I've seen, Worldclock replacement is not included |
| 08:20.19 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: yeah find me an easy to script base tool for the repo :) |
| 08:20.42 | psycho_oreos | you know, a few months back there were a few threads about users wanting to backup maemo.org in case if it ever vanishes off internet. Though they were mocked and now t.m.o. is showing signs of fading out.. I wonder what's next |
| 08:21.24 | merlin1991 | psycho_oreos: at least the repos are backed up completely on my server |
| 08:22.24 | psycho_oreos | merlin1991, yeah most of the repos are backed up on me portable hard drive. There's still many portions of maemo.org that cannot be backed up.. things like garage.maemo.org, wiki.maemo.org (very very handy), and talk.maemo.org (which essentially is just a BB) |
| 08:22.41 | psycho_oreos | bugs.maemo.org... |
| 08:23.09 | merlin1991 | Wiki is the next most important thing I think |
| 08:23.17 | psycho_oreos | and of course I'm not implying you were the one mocking those who were comtemplating on mirroring maemo.org :) |
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| 09:45.21 | freemangordon | merlin1991, I am not sure what exactly "base tool for the repo" means, but I googled a bit and it seems making a debian repo is a pretty easy task |
| 09:48.01 | amiconn | Doesn't it just need an arbitrary http server? |
| 09:48.25 | freemangordon | yeah, and some dbkg-... tools |
| 09:48.36 | freemangordon | *dpkg-... |
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| 10:12.33 | fw190 | hello |
| 10:12.50 | fw190 | one quick question - are there any pans to include OMP into CSSU? |
| 10:12.59 | fw190 | *plans |
| 10:15.24 | freemangordon | fw190, the question should be "does maintainer of OMP wants OMP included in CSSU?". And you should ask whoever the maintainer is. |
| 10:16.22 | fw190 | freemangordon: the previous maintainer was MAG but now someone else runs it. It works ok. I have tested it some time. The development is an ongoing proces and it looks goog |
| 10:16.38 | fw190 | *good |
| 10:17.03 | freemangordon | well, what will happen if it enters CSSU, does maintainer want to support it after that? |
| 10:18.09 | freemangordon | BTW i have OMP installed too and TBH I don't think it is stable enough to be a part of CSSU. |
| 10:18.21 | freemangordon | So there are 2 things to happe: |
| 10:18.25 | freemangordon | *happen |
| 10:18.43 | freemangordon | OMP should be stable enough at least for CSSU-testing |
| 10:19.10 | freemangordon | OMP maintainer should have a will and time to support OMP once it is in CSSU |
| 10:19.31 | fw190 | hmm you are right. it's too soon but I will ask him what he thinks about it ;) |
| 10:19.50 | freemangordon | yeah, better start with him |
| 10:20.52 | freemangordon | merlin1991, any chance to install dpkg-dev in your server? |
| 10:21.10 | fw190 | ok. thank you for your reply. till next time |
| 10:21.13 | fw190 | ;) |
| 10:21.28 | freemangordon | that is what I need to build Packages.gz file |
| 10:24.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | what is OMP? |
| 10:24.46 | amiconn | freemangordon: Those are just for filling the repository with stuff, not for actually running it, afaik. |
| 10:26.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | afk |
| 10:31.20 | fw190 | DoCScrutinizer51: OMP is open medi aplayer - replacment for the stock one with enhancments |
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| 11:15.08 | freemangordon | amiconn, I know, but http server is up and running, .debs and .tars are in place, only Packages.gz is missing :) |
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| 11:56.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm extremely reluctant to *replace* stock *apps* |
| 11:57.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | frequently there's no proper justification why the stock app had to be replaced rather than just providing alternative apps in usual way |
| 11:57.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's not cssu aim to get rid of any programs |
| 11:58.46 | fw190 | is the stock player opened? |
| 11:58.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | we did this fundamental error once with nikocam |
| 11:59.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | fw190: who cares? is this relevant for cssu in any way? |
| 11:59.30 | fw190 | well maybe you are right and aybe this time it will be different. Who knows ;) |
| 12:00.19 | fw190 | hmmm maybe tis is not the best app for CSSU but it is alway sbetter to have moce components in Maemo fully opend |
| 12:00.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure |
| 12:01.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | but no way you kick out any app, any lib. any function call if it doesn't conflict with new stuff |
| 12:01.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | generally, no matter which project |
| 12:02.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | does FF delete MSIE from your system on installation? |
| 12:03.07 | fw190 | hahahah wrong question to the wrong perosn ;) |
| 12:03.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | afk again |
| 12:03.27 | fw190 | I can only install Ubuntu and use it- don't know what is under the hood |
| 12:03.49 | fw190 | I'm not a developer I'm an historian |
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| 12:56.09 | Lava_Croft | no need to be a developer to know whats under the hood |
| 13:16.00 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: we can install pretty much everything |
| 13:16.26 | Lava_Croft | i still want rxvt-unicode |
| 13:16.27 | Lava_Croft | :< |
| 13:16.40 | merlin1991 | my main target though it to find a tool that I can feed the .dsc files to and have it do the rest of the work |
| 13:16.49 | merlin1991 | s/it/is/ |
| 13:17.19 | freemangordon_ | ahaa, you mean something like autobuilder? |
| 13:17.26 | merlin1991 | not really |
| 13:17.35 | merlin1991 | I wanted to have an incoming directory where you can uplaod stuff |
| 13:17.51 | merlin1991 | and when the .dsc arrives it should grab everything else and import it to the repo |
| 13:18.07 | merlin1991 | according to what is written inside the .dsc |
| 13:18.14 | freemangordon_ | anyway, you still need dpkg-dev |
| 13:18.27 | merlin1991 | that's just one apt-get away ;) |
| 13:18.37 | freemangordon_ | for Packages.gz |
| 13:18.42 | merlin1991 | the -stable testing repo I did with reprepo |
| 13:18.52 | merlin1991 | no idea though if you can feed .dsc files to reprepo |
| 13:19.19 | merlin1991 | I just imported each .deb manually and didn't care about the sources |
| 13:20.24 | freemangordon_ | well, i manually distributed packages (bot .deb and sources), will you please create Packages.gz using your preffered tool, so repo to be functioning |
| 13:20.49 | freemangordon_ | by distributed |
| 13:21.20 | freemangordon_ | I mean there is directory structure similar to maemo repos |
| 13:23.28 | merlin1991 | oh didn't notice you put a structure into it |
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| 13:23.47 | merlin1991 | yeah that should be a matter of dpkg-something so parse a packages.gz out of it |
| 13:23.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | another short break... my nrain seems particularly unsuited today for c coding :-S |
| 13:24.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | brain* |
| 13:24.26 | Lava_Croft | play quake, pet shambler, clear mind |
| 13:24.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | espunder wnXP and eclipse/clearcase |
| 13:25.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | wonders if eclipse has an easteregg like former openoffice/staroffice |
| 13:25.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | some pinball machine or sth |
| 13:27.32 | merlin1991 | ah reprepo has includedesc |
| 13:27.35 | merlin1991 | perfect |
| 13:28.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | funny to write a test for... let's put it thsi way: test the on/off function of PSU from the machine via sw |
| 13:29.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | no problem for off |
| 13:29.08 | merlin1991 | psu power off |
| 13:29.13 | merlin1991 | reboot |
| 13:29.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | on though |
| 13:29.19 | merlin1991 | did I really do that? |
| 13:29.30 | merlin1991 | or was it $random power shortage :D |
| 13:29.55 | merlin1991 | the on is worse though :D |
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| 13:45.54 | Zx432 | Hi. |
| 13:46.52 | Zx432 | When is the new update for CSSU stabile comming? Where can I check that? |
| 13:47.12 | merlin1991 | it's coming after we have new stuff from -testing that is conisdered stable |
| 13:47.49 | Zx432 | OK, so there is no timetable? Just asking. :) |
| 13:48.07 | merlin1991 | there is no timetable at all |
| 13:48.14 | merlin1991 | it's voluntary work after all :D |
| 13:49.05 | Zx432 | For now I like it a lot! You guys are great! |
| 13:57.16 | Zx432 | Just one question. I have a small bug. |
| 13:57.55 | Zx432 | I am not even certain it is a bug, it could be a feature :-D |
| 13:58.10 | merlin1991 | well don't ask to ask just ask :D |
| 13:58.27 | Lava_Croft | it wasnt a question! :D |
| 13:58.32 | Lava_Croft | huckles |
| 13:58.50 | merlin1991 | Lava_Croft: could be interpreted as one |
| 13:58.57 | Zx432 | But if I unlock my phone with a side lock it opens the phone window |
| 13:58.58 | merlin1991 | grins vicotrious |
| 13:59.12 | Lava_Croft | questions have a question mark ;) |
| 13:59.18 | Zx432 | ?????? |
| 13:59.21 | Zx432 | Sory |
| 13:59.23 | Lava_Croft | haha |
| 13:59.23 | merlin1991 | questions can be implied ;) |
| 13:59.32 | Lava_Croft | this is confusing things, i will shut up |
| 13:59.34 | Zx432 | Pleas apply as needed |
| 13:59.41 | Zx432 | *please |
| 13:59.44 | merlin1991 | Zx432: nvm our chatter just state your problem |
| 14:01.22 | Zx432 | I did. If I unlock my N900 the phone program (I have no idea how it is called) commes on screen. This was happening before ssu. |
| 14:01.31 | Lava_Croft | heh |
| 14:01.36 | Lava_Croft | how do you unlock it |
| 14:01.45 | merlin1991 | slide lock as stated above |
| 14:01.46 | merlin1991 | odd |
| 14:01.50 | Lava_Croft | oh, nvm |
| 14:02.10 | Zx432 | It also sometimes happens if I shake it just right. |
| 14:02.15 | merlin1991 | ah |
| 14:02.18 | Lava_Croft | ah |
| 14:02.18 | Lava_Croft | :D |
| 14:02.21 | merlin1991 | the phone ui has a settings |
| 14:02.28 | Lava_Croft | ting! |
| 14:02.29 | merlin1991 | open on turn or something |
| 14:02.59 | Zx432 | Because I am constantly shaking (medical reasons) This can be quite fun :) |
| 14:03.27 | merlin1991 | it's under phone -> menu -> rotation -> the checkbox with open on turn |
| 14:03.59 | Lava_Croft | 'Turning Control' ) |
| 14:04.02 | Lava_Croft | what a name |
| 14:06.17 | Zx432 | Oh looky looky. Fixed now. |
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| 15:10.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, that thing |
| 15:10.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | initially looked temptimg, but in daily usage it proves shitty |
| 15:11.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd LOVE to open phone dialer on doubleclick of powerbutton though |
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| 15:13.09 | merlin1991 | that would be really usefull |
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| 15:14.49 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, you do know that's doable |
| 15:15.19 | MohammadAG | disable mce double click action, then use a dbus script or Qt app |
| 15:15.50 | MohammadAG | double click is merely click + click in a given time interval, on first click, start timer, on second click, check if (firstClick) and do stuff |
| 15:15.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | and not that history view but proper dialer wih 12 button vkbd, and showing all contacts and history records that match the T9 entered digits in any way |
| 15:16.02 | MohammadAG | when timer deactivates, firstClick or whatever you call it would be false |
| 15:16.13 | MohammadAG | again, doable |
| 15:16.27 | MohammadAG | the Qt daemon would take 10 minutes max to do |
| 15:16.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | everything is doable |
| 15:16.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | except mindreading for next 20 months |
| 15:18.51 | Lava_Croft | making the n900 a good *phone* isnt possible |
| 15:19.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | uhuh |
| 15:19.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | why? |
| 15:19.33 | Lava_Croft | because its not that good to use |
| 15:19.51 | merlin1991 | because it's not a phone but a mobile computing platform that happens to have phone capabilities? :D |
| 15:19.52 | Lava_Croft | as a phone, :) |
| 15:19.55 | Lava_Croft | yes, exactly |
| 15:20.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh |
| 15:20.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | you're wasting my time |
| 15:21.12 | Lava_Croft | yeah im forcing you to talk to me and waste your time |
| 15:21.15 | Lava_Croft | bye! |
| 15:21.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | bye, break over anyway |
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| 17:28.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | Lava_Croft: sorry, I probably sounded rude. Wasn't meant this way |
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| 17:29.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably a result of daywork with time constraints on cig breaks |
| 17:30.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway... |
| 17:32.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | considers binary-patching rtcom-dialer-ui to listen to a tweaked dbus signa. for rotation-triggered popup, then add a dbus-script that emits that signal when powerbutton-doubleclick |
| 17:33.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | given I can intercept/detect powerbtn dblclick |
| 17:34.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | anybody in sqlite enough to tell me how to send dbus msgs from a trigger aka stored procedure? |
| 17:35.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | or, how to invoke arbitrary cmdline binaries, on behalf of that |
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| 18:16.28 | freemangordon | merlin1991, alarmd fix is now pushed on gitorious, .debs and .tar are on the "repo-to-be" :). |
| 18:16.43 | merlin1991 | did you test it? :D |
| 18:16.49 | freemangordon | no :D |
| 18:17.15 | freemangordon | no way befire tomorrow morning ;) |
| 18:17.19 | freemangordon | *before |
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| 18:18.19 | Pali | freemangordon, can I push last kp50 to extras-devel now? |
| 18:18.29 | Pali | I think there are no problems |
| 18:18.36 | freemangordon | I think so |
| 18:18.44 | Pali | ok |
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| 18:26.35 | freemangordon | merlin1991, seems setting up the alarm works, the alarm fires on the correct time, so I assume alarmd tested |
| 18:26.46 | merlin1991 | perfect :) |
| 18:27.10 | freemangordon | auto-snooze works too |
| 18:27.58 | freemangordon | WTF? |
| 18:28.17 | freemangordon | was it working before? alarm repetition in 1 minute? |
| 18:29.08 | freemangordon | anyone, can you confirm or deny that if you don't press "snooze", the alarm will auto-repeat in 1 minute? |
| 18:32.09 | freemangordon | merlin1991, DocScrutinizer ^^^ |
| 18:35.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | err wut? |
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| 18:36.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | dang, meeting day? |
| 18:37.23 | merlin1991 | still 30 mins afaik :D |
| 18:37.27 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: ping |
| 18:39.51 | freemangordon | hmm, false alarm, auto-snooze interval is still 5 minutes (my setup) |
| 18:41.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | fsckng 'snooze' |
| 18:41.52 | freemangordon | merlin1991, unfortunately I won't be able to be active on the meeting, though I will participate |
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| 19:02.39 | Pali | freemangordon, kp50 was uploaded to autobuilder extras-devel |
| 19:13.56 | freemangordon | Pali, great |
| 19:22.03 | merlin1991 | okay guys |
| 19:22.05 | merlin1991 | who's around? |
| 19:22.15 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG, Pali, freemangordon, DocScrutinizer51 ping |
| 19:22.24 | Pali | pong |
| 19:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | wut? |
| 19:22.37 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: see topic ;) |
| 19:22.47 | BCMM | i have a new n900 here (warranty replacement). what first, restore backups or enable CSSU? |
| 19:22.55 | DocScrutinizer | wut? |
| 19:22.56 | BCMM | (backups made with the nokia app that comes with) |
| 19:23.00 | merlin1991 | ah shit /me forgot about utc |
| 19:23.14 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 19:23.18 | merlin1991 | BCMM: doesn't matter |
| 19:23.39 | BCMM | it won't fall over installing the applist? |
| 19:24.39 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: I'd first install CSSU, *make* (proper full) backup (with backupmenu), then restore your old backup |
| 19:26.01 | DocScrutinizer | generally you always want to MAKE a new backup *prior* to restoring any old backup |
| 19:26.42 | DocScrutinizer | I actually wonder why backup app doesn't force this SOP |
| 19:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | unless you're restoring a single file that got erratically erased and thus the restore won't overwrite anything, you *always* do a backup prior to restore |
| 19:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | so you can rollback a fsckdup restore |
| 19:31.41 | DocScrutinizer | makes sense? |
| 19:32.36 | Pali | merlin1991, did you tested HAM patch which remove PC Suite messages? |
| 19:33.06 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 19:33.25 | DocScrutinizer | all thumbs up for that particular one |
| 19:33.56 | Raimu | Okay, kp50 went through the autobuild. When's it complete & installable? |
| 19:34.30 | Pali | when it appears in HAM :-) |
| 19:34.33 | DocScrutinizer | I'd maybe even replace that bogus nonsense msg by one that contains a proper URL to a problem solving wiki page |
| 19:35.09 | Pali | I completly removed that message and show only standard problems message |
| 19:37.32 | Pali | https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-hildon-application-manager/commit/0c865a3434716e6ec3a739ae74a5660e86cbd20f |
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| 20:00.10 | DocScrutinizer | ok, 30 min 100% available, then just lurking |
| 20:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | so please first do the big discussions |
| 20:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
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| 20:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I as well might leave for dinner right away |
| 20:19.41 | merlin1991 | shit |
| 20:19.56 | merlin1991 | okay we can do this quick anyway |
| 20:20.40 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer, Pali, freemangordon ping |
| 20:20.47 | Pali | pong |
| 20:20.47 | DocScrutinizer | wut? |
| 20:20.55 | merlin1991 | perfect |
| 20:20.59 | freemangordon_ | pong |
| 20:21.13 | merlin1991 | okay so basicly the situation now is |
| 20:21.24 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: is building a new testing / should have done by now |
| 20:21.43 | merlin1991 | should be released today or tomorrow |
| 20:21.54 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 20:22.07 | merlin1991 | also we have a gargae page now https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cssu |
| 20:22.15 | DocScrutinizer | maybe this time with fixed versionstring? |
| 20:22.18 | merlin1991 | especially this part: https://garage.maemo.org/pm/task.php?group_project_id=3864&group_id=2300&func=browse |
| 20:22.37 | merlin1991 | I add a few of the open tasks there, will add more over time |
| 20:22.45 | Pali | merlin1991, did you tested patched HAM? |
| 20:22.56 | merlin1991 | Pali: I'll test it with the testing update |
| 20:23.05 | merlin1991 | need it released for that though ;) |
| 20:23.11 | Pali | ok, thanks |
| 20:23.11 | DocScrutinizer | seems low risk anyway |
| 20:24.25 | Pali | merlin1991, for garage todo: I can look on creating app for checking if default kernel or kernel-power/... is installed |
| 20:24.36 | merlin1991 | if one wants to pick up one, just assign to yourself and start hacking :) |
| 20:24.51 | merlin1991 | if self assinging doesn't work please ping me |
| 20:25.11 | merlin1991 | also to most todos there is no source on gitorious because I didn't go hunting for it |
| 20:25.27 | merlin1991 | so the first step always is to pm me with an url so I set up a repo on gitorious :D |
| 20:25.58 | merlin1991 | bascially that's it |
| 20:26.03 | merlin1991 | ah yeah we got 1 new bugreport |
| 20:26.57 | merlin1991 | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12586 |
| 20:26.58 | povbot | Bug 12586: Status area dialogs force landscape mode when an application is active |
| 20:28.30 | merlin1991 | basically invalid for most components but for example the about qt, standard dialog we could fix |
| 20:28.38 | merlin1991 | but mostly that's it in terms of news |
| 20:29.07 | merlin1991 | if MohammadAG manages to upload -testing tomorrow I'd like to go over the core packages (hildon-*) next week to check for stable |
| 20:29.18 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, since I accidentally activated that friggin orientationlock in statusmenu and thus *nuked that gui-may-rotate gconf key* :-((, my phone sometimes is locked to LANDSCAPE while desktop happily rotates to portrait now. Phone been locked internally to portrait before |
| 20:30.00 | merlin1991 | that's just gconf |
| 20:30.03 | DocScrutinizer | I'd consider the whole mess a valid bug |
| 20:30.11 | merlin1991 | but the bug is different |
| 20:30.34 | DocScrutinizer | sure it's not related to 12586 |
| 20:30.45 | merlin1991 | it's the problem that any overlay dialog that doesn not declare "I CAN DO PORTRAIT" forces the whole ui back into landscape |
| 20:31.38 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like not a bug but a design property |
| 20:31.53 | merlin1991 | well in most cases it's a thing of not considered |
| 20:32.01 | merlin1991 | i.e. the about QT dialog |
| 20:32.11 | freemangordon_ | rotation is controlled by h-d, seems there is an edge condition which triggers the bug |
| 20:32.55 | freemangordon_ | will look into it (hoping it is reproducible) |
| 20:33.10 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
| 20:35.26 | freemangordon_ | merlin1991, what are the plans for devel repo? |
| 20:38.11 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, the about Qt Dialog isn't parented, that's why it fails to rotate |
| 20:38.15 | MohammadAG | there's no way to parent it |
| 20:38.21 | MohammadAG | and QT != Qt |
| 20:42.24 | freemangordon_ | unparented dialogs should follow last top application orientation. |
| 20:44.23 | merlin1991 | freemangordon_: I'll mirror the current testing (when it's released) and get a system in place so we can drop packages |
| 20:46.31 | freemangordon_ | ok, great |
| 20:53.55 | Pali | freemangordon_: kp50 is builded on autobuilder, but still not in extras-devel repo... |
| 20:54.30 | Pali | see https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/kernel-power_2.6.28-10power50/ http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/ |
| 20:55.33 | freemangordon_ | pali, it takes time usually |
| 20:56.01 | Pali | ok, I belive that there is not problem again... |
| 20:57.56 | freemangordon_ | i hope so too |
| 21:55.58 | freemangordon_ | Pali, seems no joy :-( |
| 21:57.46 | Pali | sad :-( |
| 21:58.36 | freemangordon_ | yeah. damn, lets move kp to cssu and stop that repo saga |
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| 23:03.19 | DocScrutinizer | kp in its recent form won't go into cssu |
| 23:05.19 | freemangordon_ | what is the recent form of kp? |
| 23:13.17 | freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer, will you be more specific, as I am not aware of any problems in KP50, while your statement is too definitive |
| 23:14.12 | DocScrutinizer | powertop doesn't work. |
| 23:14.21 | DocScrutinizer | just for one point |
| 23:14.40 | freemangordon_ | what? |
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| 23:17.04 | freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer, who said powertop does not work with KP? It works for me. |
| 23:17.56 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 23:18.05 | DocScrutinizer | pastebin it |
| 23:20.48 | DocScrutinizer | I bet first 3 lines look like: |
| 23:20.51 | DocScrutinizer | C# | Ratio | Avg/dura | Frequency | Ratio |
| 23:20.52 | DocScrutinizer | --------+--------+----------+-----------+--------+ |
| 23:20.54 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.04 | freemangordon_ | so? is it different with omap1? is there a reported bug for that? |
| 23:23.10 | DocScrutinizer | C# | Ratio | Avg/dura | Frequency | Ratio |
| 23:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | --------+--------+----------+-----------+--------+ |
| 23:23.13 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.15 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.46 | DocScrutinizer | NFC if anybody reported a bug for that, I don't care if anybody did |
| 23:24.06 | freemangordon_ | and that is better? in what extact way? |
| 23:24.33 | DocScrutinizer | c'mon, either you want to make me angry, or you are actually too tired |
| 23:25.12 | freemangordon_ | the information for C0 is exactly the same, hold on to paste mine |
| 23:25.57 | freemangordon_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.58 | DocScrutinizer | pfff, you probably should finish reading the lines, not stop at first 30% |
| 23:25.59 | freemangordon_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.21 | DocScrutinizer | actually your way to argue is in line with quality of PK |
| 23:26.39 | freemangordon_ | yeah, sure |
| 23:28.32 | DocScrutinizer | on a first cursory glance it looks just like it works same way as stock |
| 23:29.20 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, it doesn't report *any* duratins for different clockspeeds? nah, who cares, it's PK, it's cool |
| 23:30.25 | DocScrutinizer | (just to premept your next objection: I'm well aware the problem is mainly in powertop itself here) |
| 23:30.56 | DocScrutinizer | but on CSSU we have to live with legacy |
| 23:31.38 | DocScrutinizer | it's meant to stay compatible to stock - this includes powertop as well as any other things that show weird strange behaviour on PK |
| 23:31.48 | merlin1991 | wtf why is there a tmp in my documents |
| 23:32.18 | merlin1991 | must have been on of those days where I just name my folders tmp :D |
| 23:33.21 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, it is the first time I hear of that problem. And as I am not the kind of men who just says "it is KP so it is cool", the correct way to deal of such things it to report them. |
| 23:33.50 | DocScrutinizer | it's been known since PK0.000.01 |
| 23:33.55 | freemangordon | Not to make statements like "No, this piece of crap will not make it into CSSU" |
| 23:34.03 | freemangordon | Who knows that you? |
| 23:34.30 | freemangordon | because I am not aware ot the problem and it is not reported on the bigtracker |
| 23:34.33 | DocScrutinizer | again, I don't ccare who does |
| 23:35.37 | DocScrutinizer | and actually there's no proper way to fix this bug |
| 23:36.07 | DocScrutinizer | ozher than breaking PK's extended clock range |
| 23:36.20 | DocScrutinizer | since powertop is closed |
| 23:37.49 | freemangordon | Well, at least there is proper way to report it. And once it is reported in a proper way I am sure it can be workarounded somehow. And even it cannot be fixed/workarounded, do you really think this is a showstopper bug? |
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| 23:46.39 | DocScrutinizer | that'S exactly why I was reluctant to answer at all first instance - now you again try to drive me into a quantity competition, while I clearly said it's just an example |
| 23:47.22 | DocScrutinizer | fact is that PK is not about bug fixing. Actually it introduced more bugs than it fixed |
| 23:47.30 | DocScrutinizer | and |
| 23:48.01 | DocScrutinizer | **obviously it's not needed for CSSU - IOW there's not a single dependency to PK in CSSU** |
| 23:48.52 | DocScrutinizer | so it won't go into CSSU base/core package, same way OMP won't and nikocam never should have |
| 23:49.25 | DocScrutinizer | users are free to install PK independently of CSSU any time they like |
| 23:49.35 | DocScrutinizer | not the faintest reason to include it |
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| 23:51.08 | DocScrutinizer | if there was a baseline PK that had *only* the few real bugfixes, then you could maybe convince me that it should get shipped with CSSU |
| 23:51.28 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, you are correct that there is no dependency. But if omap1 is to make it into CSSU, with only bugfixes, who will maintain it? So far the only ones who still keep some development/backporting on the kernel front is me and Pali. NFC if Pali wants to maintain/support two kernels, but for dure I don't. |
| 23:51.47 | freemangordon | Have in mind that I don't feel myself like "kernel developer" |
| 23:52.12 | DocScrutinizer | so just keep PK a separate entity |
| 23:52.24 | DocScrutinizer | and everybody's happy |
| 23:52.32 | freemangordon | Whith resources we have right now, merging KP and CSSU is the best option AIUI |
| 23:52.42 | DocScrutinizer | nonsense |
| 23:52.52 | freemangordon | And what about bug reports against omap1? |
| 23:53.23 | DocScrutinizer | what about it? |
| 23:53.31 | DocScrutinizer | pester Nokia to fix it? |
| 23:53.54 | freemangordon | Are you kidding me? |
| 23:54.08 | DocScrutinizer | or suggest users that want to do sth about it that they shall install PK |
| 23:55.38 | freemangordon | Did you check KP50 build result? As it is the same as KP49, it does not appear in maemo extras web interface |
| 23:55.39 | DocScrutinizer | but WTH shall somebody that wants CSSU rootfs be forced to also install PK, and WHY for the love of god shall all the OC fanboys be forced to install CSSU rootfs and then report bugs against CSSU that are caused by their idiocy |
| 23:56.26 | DocScrutinizer | now that's for sure an invincible argument for including it to CSSU, as an integral component |
| 23:56.46 | freemangordon | And noone knows how long will it take until KP50 can be promoted to -testing |
| 23:57.11 | amiconn | KP does maintain time_in_state statistics |
| 23:57.13 | DocScrutinizer | nite |
| 23:57.29 | DocScrutinizer | aniI know that |
| 23:57.34 | DocScrutinizer | amiconn: ^^^ |
| 23:57.58 | amiconn | So if powertop doesn't handle those, it's a powertop bug imo, not a KP bug |
| 23:58.09 | DocScrutinizer | amiconn: but it does in a way incompatible to powertop |
| 23:58.42 | DocScrutinizer | amiconn: please read backscroll - I hoped to stop this argument already |
| 23:59.28 | DocScrutinizer | nayway, got some other duties in a few hours, so bbl |
| 23:59.41 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, nite |