| 00:01.10 | freemangordon | Pali, pc-suite-enable.sh is a part of ke-recv, no need for additional packaging |
| 00:01.19 | Pali | I know |
| 00:01.22 | freemangordon | ok |
| 00:01.31 | Pali | but this was prepaired for extras-devel |
| 00:01.35 | Pali | but never pushed |
| 00:01.43 | freemangordon | aah, i see |
| 00:01.45 | Pali | and now it can be integrated into cssu |
| 00:02.34 | freemangordon | well not sure that should go in CSSU, there is application in extras for internet sharing, and it does its job pretty well |
| 00:03.15 | freemangordon | including iptables control :) |
| 00:03.22 | Pali | ok |
| 00:03.43 | Pali | this is not designed for internet sharing |
| 00:03.48 | freemangordon | yeah, try qtmobilehotspot, damn good piece of a SW |
| 00:03.56 | freemangordon | and what for? |
| 00:04.19 | Pali | to connect to internet on n900 via notebook/computer |
| 00:04.28 | freemangordon | aaah, i see |
| 00:04.44 | Pali | or to connect to n900 via ssh |
| 00:04.59 | Pali | I using it for copying files |
| 00:05.18 | freemangordon | well, sound usefull, but bringing up a network by default does not sounds good to me |
| 00:05.28 | Pali | ok |
| 00:05.41 | freemangordon | we should rewrite that stupid selection dialog, shouldn't be that hard |
| 00:06.11 | Pali | or we can try to ask if that dialog cannot be opened |
| 00:06.28 | Pali | we have more stuff to rewrite :D |
| 00:06.37 | Pali | (e.g profile dialogs, ...) |
| 00:06.58 | freemangordon | yeah, but that should be a piece of cake, dialog with 2 buttons |
| 00:07.15 | Pali | you also need to listen to some events |
| 00:07.27 | Pali | and I have no idea to what and which events |
| 00:07.42 | freemangordon | I know. And there is IDA ;) |
| 00:07.54 | Pali | IDA? |
| 00:08.13 | freemangordon | interractive dissassembler :) |
| 00:08.19 | Pali | :) |
| 00:08.50 | freemangordon | never heard of? |
| 00:08.55 | Pali | no |
| 00:09.08 | freemangordon | wow |
| 00:09.09 | Pali | I used only objdump |
| 00:09.22 | freemangordon | thats the RE best friend |
| 00:09.46 | Pali | also when I RE cold flashing I used only objdump |
| 00:09.56 | freemangordon | it has even de-compiler for 386 |
| 00:10.11 | freemangordon | decompiles to pseudo-c code |
| 00:10.27 | freemangordon | very good, very useful, IDA rocks |
| 00:10.43 | Pali | ok, I will look at it when I do some RE :-) |
| 00:10.54 | freemangordon | well, you can get it legally of course, it costs a pile of money |
| 00:11.03 | freemangordon | *can't |
| 00:11.28 | freemangordon | and it has only windoze version afaik |
| 00:13.07 | Pali | ok, now I'm going offline |
| 00:13.15 | Pali | bye |
| 00:13.16 | freemangordon | bb |
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| 10:12.57 | freemangordon | Pali, ping |
| 10:13.10 | Pali | freemangordon, pong |
| 10:13.39 | freemangordon | look at ke-recv and libhildonfm on gitorious ;) |
| 10:14.44 | freemangordon | the only glitch remaining is the naming order, for some reason my fat partition is shown as Memory Card (2), while ext3 is just Memory Card |
| 10:15.16 | freemangordon | merlin1991, ping |
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| 10:19.15 | freemangordon | Pali, who is responsible for ordering the partitions, HAL? |
| 10:19.52 | Pali | hal events |
| 10:20.15 | freemangordon | hmm, could that be workarounded somehow in ke-recv? |
| 10:20.54 | freemangordon | so /media/mmc1 to always has "Memory Card" as name |
| 10:21.00 | freemangordon | *vhave |
| 10:21.14 | freemangordon | whatever |
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| 10:22.42 | Pali | freemangordon, add build depends on library libvolume_id |
| 10:22.44 | Pali | to ke-recv |
| 10:22.51 | freemangordon | yep |
| 10:23.24 | freemangordon | shall that be added to control? |
| 10:24.10 | Pali | I think yes, but check correct package name |
| 10:25.03 | freemangordon | libvolume-id-dev |
| 10:26.15 | freemangordon | damn, filemanager freezes when USB device is automounted, could be that my second n900 sdcard partition table is a total mess |
| 10:26.50 | Pali | I got same problem sometimes |
| 10:26.56 | Pali | kill filemanager and open it again |
| 10:27.14 | freemangordon | yeah, that works |
| 10:27.36 | freemangordon | but seems like a bug |
| 10:27.41 | freemangordon | NFC where |
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| 10:30.32 | freemangordon | updated debian/control pushed in ke-recv master |
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| 10:54.21 | freemangordon | merlin1991, ping |
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| 13:39.47 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: you asked for HARM openmode kernel link? |
| 13:58.49 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, can't remember |
| 13:59.02 | freemangordon | in what context? |
| 13:59.15 | DocScrutinizer | so you're not free-MG on #harmattan? |
| 13:59.22 | freemangordon | nope :) |
| 14:00.20 | DocScrutinizer | nm then :-) |
| 14:00.58 | DocScrutinizer | unless you got an N9 and are willing to test openmode kernel for harmattan 1.2 |
| 14:02.12 | freemangordon | I don't have N9. And TBH I won't get one, N900 is far better than N9 and I have 2 of it :) |
| 14:02.26 | Lava_Croft | having 2 n900's is king |
| 14:02.27 | DocScrutinizer | 100% d'accord |
| 14:02.34 | Lava_Croft | but the n9 looks a lot more sturdy |
| 14:02.39 | Lava_Croft | the n9 is made from paper mache |
| 14:02.41 | Lava_Croft | er |
| 14:02.42 | Lava_Croft | n900* |
| 14:03.26 | DocScrutinizer | well, of course a crappy C-TS with glas is more sturdy tan a nice R-TS. And less buttons have that only advantage that they can'T fail |
| 14:03.38 | freemangordon | well, usually I take care for the things I like, so fragility is not a problem for me |
| 14:03.46 | Lava_Croft | yeah, but i use my n900 all day |
| 14:03.59 | Lava_Croft | the usage-hours are so high that theres just a real chance of it dropping orso |
| 14:04.00 | DocScrutinizer | what do you think we do? |
| 14:04.14 | freemangordon | :D |
| 14:04.23 | Lava_Croft | im on the road most of the day |
| 14:04.26 | Lava_Croft | doing physical work |
| 14:04.40 | Lava_Croft | that differs from a possible office job, for example |
| 14:04.46 | freemangordon | I dropped my first n900 several times, one of the on a concrete from about 2 meters |
| 14:04.56 | DocScrutinizer | I actually dropped my daily one two times. one time I accidentally stepped on it when trying to catch it with my foot while dropping |
| 14:04.59 | Lava_Croft | my first fell down the stairwell |
| 14:05.07 | Lava_Croft | then i gamed nokia care and got 2 n900s back |
| 14:05.24 | Lava_Croft | one thing did hurt |
| 14:05.29 | Lava_Croft | i broken the lens on my new n900 |
| 14:05.31 | Lava_Croft | :< |
| 14:05.44 | freemangordon | seems you have to be more careful |
| 14:05.48 | Lava_Croft | naw |
| 14:06.07 | Lava_Croft | the broken lens was just bad luck |
| 14:06.25 | Lava_Croft | bunch of keys in my pocket pressed through the camera hatch |
| 14:06.30 | Lava_Croft | and broke the glass covering the lens |
| 14:06.42 | Lava_Croft | a true "what the fuck happened here" moment |
| 14:06.44 | DocScrutinizer | broken lens can get fixed, whatever actually is broken for you |
| 14:06.56 | Lava_Croft | the glass is split in two |
| 14:06.58 | Lava_Croft | but still perfectly in place |
| 14:07.07 | Lava_Croft | i already switched to another n900 |
| 14:07.10 | DocScrutinizer | so get a new case, they are like 20 bucks IIRC |
| 14:07.51 | Lava_Croft | in the future, maybe |
| 14:08.05 | DocScrutinizer | I'm searching for new N900 to purchase |
| 14:08.05 | Lava_Croft | but, what i was trying to say |
| 14:08.12 | DocScrutinizer | if anybody heard sth |
| 14:08.15 | Lava_Croft | the only thing the n9 has over the n900 for me, its being more sturdy |
| 14:08.26 | Lava_Croft | well, i had a brand new one until a week ago orso, but now i dont anymore:< |
| 14:08.33 | Lava_Croft | its quite hard to find proper, new n900s |
| 14:08.56 | Lava_Croft | china is also pooping out fake ones |
| 14:09.18 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, you still can buy one here in Bulgaria, with 1 year contract, for about 200 euros :p |
| 14:09.19 | Lava_Croft | doc, you are in germany? |
| 14:09.36 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: willing to get two for me? |
| 14:09.40 | DocScrutinizer | Lava_Croft: yep |
| 14:09.46 | Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer: ok, ill keep an eye out |
| 14:09.55 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, with a contract? |
| 14:10.00 | Lava_Croft | if i find a new one around here, in NL |
| 14:10.06 | DocScrutinizer | what kind of contract? |
| 14:10.19 | Lava_Croft | the contract is the hidden cost of the n900 |
| 14:10.23 | freemangordon | normal contract with mobile provider |
| 14:10.36 | Lava_Croft | i got my first n900 with 2y vodafone contract |
| 14:10.41 | DocScrutinizer | sure, how much to pay it wholesale? |
| 14:10.42 | freemangordon | 1 year 15 euros per month, or something like that |
| 14:10.44 | Lava_Croft | nearly done with it |
| 14:10.56 | Lava_Croft | i dont know what kind of device to take next |
| 14:10.58 | DocScrutinizer | so |
| 14:11.00 | Lava_Croft | theres about zero options |
| 14:11.02 | freemangordon | without contract it costs about 400 euros |
| 14:11.06 | DocScrutinizer | ~15 * 12 + 200 |
| 14:11.06 | infobot | 380 |
| 14:11.10 | DocScrutinizer | deal |
| 14:11.28 | Lava_Croft | 380 is still a bit steep |
| 14:11.33 | DocScrutinizer | you can keep the contracts |
| 14:11.45 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, I don't need them :) |
| 14:11.48 | Lava_Croft | 'open' has a serious price:< |
| 14:12.32 | DocScrutinizer | well, then get me two without contract please |
| 14:12.52 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, will see what could be done |
| 14:13.00 | Lava_Croft | meh |
| 14:13.08 | Lava_Croft | why are almost all n9's offered with contracts here the 16gb version |
| 14:13.12 | Lava_Croft | if not all |
| 14:13.17 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: thanks |
| 14:13.51 | Lava_Croft | maybe i should get no new device at all |
| 14:13.55 | Lava_Croft | and just wait for that Spark tablet thing |
| 14:14.20 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, it was my GF who told me that n900 is still available through vivacom, let me check if that is still true (in the upcomming week) |
| 14:14.33 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 14:15.28 | Lava_Croft | DocScrutinizer: you dont buy used? |
| 14:15.39 | Lava_Croft | most people i know just go with ebay n900s all the time |
| 14:16.35 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, http://www.vivacom.bg/en/residential/devices/section/mobile_phones/view/nokia_n900/offers |
| 14:16.49 | DocScrutinizer | Lava_Croft: nope |
| 14:17.12 | DocScrutinizer | since OCers I don't want used ones any more |
| 14:17.27 | DocScrutinizer | and ebay is a PITA anyway |
| 14:17.48 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, but I cannot see the proce without a contract, will have to check in store |
| 14:17.53 | freemangordon | *price |
| 14:19.05 | freemangordon | BTW, I have no clue if one can offer that via internet, maybe it is possible, you can check if you wish |
| 14:19.37 | DocScrutinizer | offer what? |
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| 14:20.00 | freemangordon | ok, purchase :) |
| 14:20.03 | DocScrutinizer | I have a hard time with that site |
| 14:20.14 | freemangordon | why? |
| 14:20.16 | DocScrutinizer | nfc what's BGN |
| 14:20.34 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, ISO currency code |
| 14:20.51 | freemangordon | just like USD and EUR and GBP |
| 14:20.52 | DocScrutinizer | can you convert it to EUR for me? |
| 14:21.02 | freemangordon | divide with 2 |
| 14:21.06 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 14:21.14 | DocScrutinizer | so actually 200EUR? |
| 14:21.19 | freemangordon | BGN is Bulgarian new lev |
| 14:21.19 | DocScrutinizer | get me three please |
| 14:21.21 | freemangordon | yep |
| 14:21.41 | freemangordon | but that is with contract, i need 3 people willing to sign it |
| 14:21.43 | freemangordon | ;) |
| 14:22.23 | freemangordon | I need to go to store to check what is the price without contract |
| 14:22.34 | DocScrutinizer | I'd hope you can sign as many contracts as you like, when paying the full 24 months in advance |
| 14:22.46 | freemangordon | nope, you can't AFAIK |
| 14:23.19 | freemangordon | and I am not sure one can pre-pay |
| 14:23.22 | freemangordon | have to check |
| 14:23.42 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but they usually should sell the phone without contract as well |
| 14:24.03 | freemangordon | sure, but that is not listed on the site, have to check in store |
| 14:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise, how hard could it be to find 3 people willing to sign the contract when you pay all their expenses and allow them to keep the SIM and do with it whatever they like |
| 14:25.03 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 14:25.26 | freemangordon | well that will be hard, because the contracts are prolonged automatically, all stuff like that |
| 14:25.55 | freemangordon | and most of my close friends already have n900 with contract :D |
| 14:26.28 | Lava_Croft | most of my close friends think my n900 is a magic device |
| 14:26.36 | Lava_Croft | since it does everyyyyything |
| 14:27.47 | DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: anyway if you culd make this happen, shadowjk and me would be really grateful |
| 14:27.49 | freemangordon | well, almost everything, that is why I am keeping my GF around :D |
| 14:28.02 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer, I will check |
| 14:28.18 | freemangordon | Should not be a problem |
| 14:28.45 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ~200EUR |
| 14:28.50 | ShadowJK | nice |
| 14:29.05 | freemangordon | well, without a contract it is around 400 |
| 14:29.12 | freemangordon | AFAIK |
| 14:29.36 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, I thought you were talking BGN or whatever it was |
| 14:30.06 | ShadowJK | what kind of keyboard does bg version have? |
| 14:30.08 | freemangordon | the prices on the site are with contract, around 200 eur |
| 14:30.15 | freemangordon | normal |
| 14:30.26 | freemangordon | english one |
| 14:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 14:30.29 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 14:30.48 | ShadowJK | 400-500 for a new one is ok for me |
| 14:31.03 | freemangordon | and it comes with 2 year warranty |
| 14:31.17 | Lava_Croft | which will be fun |
| 14:31.28 | Lava_Croft | claiming warranty on an n900 these days is quite funny |
| 14:31.28 | DocScrutinizer | well, for me too if there's no better option, but then I only need one for me and ShadowJK another one, so 2 not 3 |
| 14:31.34 | Lava_Croft | and will test your patience |
| 14:31.47 | ShadowJK | Lava_Croft, Yeah I'm about to go through that |
| 14:31.57 | Lava_Croft | Ive been through it |
| 14:32.04 | Lava_Croft | end result was 1 n900 more than i started with |
| 14:32.16 | Lava_Croft | but its quite meh overall |
| 14:32.23 | ShadowJK | is just now flashing his hot-spare N900 and preparing to move data to the spare N900 and get the broken N900, which has a year of warranty left, to service :P |
| 14:32.26 | Lava_Croft | they will keep on trying to push you a different device |
| 14:32.39 | Lava_Croft | in my case, they started to up-talk Symbian Belle |
| 14:32.45 | freemangordon | Lava_Croft, seems this mobile operator still has n900s on stock, so it would not be a problem to change it if something is not working |
| 14:32.48 | Lava_Croft | these days i guess its all windows |
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| 14:33.01 | Lava_Croft | freemangordon: the operator is not responsible for factory warranty |
| 14:33.08 | Lava_Croft | which is the 2y warranty (at least over here) |
| 14:33.11 | Lava_Croft | nokia is |
| 14:33.21 | DocScrutinizer | they are responsible for legal warranty |
| 14:33.23 | ShadowJK | Last week an operator called me and tried to *sell* me Nokia E7 (Symbian Belle) |
| 14:33.39 | freemangordon | well, it is here, you have a contract with mobile operator, not with Nokia ;) |
| 14:33.52 | Lava_Croft | nokia is responsible for the device here :| |
| 14:34.03 | DocScrutinizer | so as long as they got same device at stock, they can't give you a crappy hooker or anything |
| 14:34.07 | Lava_Croft | if i wanted to get a replacement device of the same type from my operator, i have to insure my n900 |
| 14:34.12 | Lava_Croft | and pay a small monthly fee |
| 14:34.25 | freemangordon | Lava_Croft, where do you live? |
| 14:34.26 | Lava_Croft | the 2y factory warrantly that nokia has to take care of is rock-solid by law though |
| 14:34.35 | Lava_Croft | which is why in the end they had to cough up an n900 for me |
| 14:34.39 | Lava_Croft | freemangordon: Netherlands |
| 14:34.42 | freemangordon | ok |
| 14:34.52 | Lava_Croft | i started at my phonestore |
| 14:34.56 | Lava_Croft | to get a new one |
| 14:35.09 | Lava_Croft | but they immediately send everything to nokia |
| 14:35.25 | Lava_Croft | in the end their knowledge of how to work Nokia Care was even less than my knowledge, and initially my knowledge was zero |
| 14:35.27 | DocScrutinizer | that's their problem then |
| 14:35.36 | freemangordon | :nod: |
| 14:35.39 | Lava_Croft | thats not how it works here, since i did not insure my n900:) |
| 14:35.53 | Lava_Croft | and the warranty is not the phonestore's problem, its Nokia's |
| 14:36.06 | Lava_Croft | it might be much easier if the warranty is taken care of by your store/operator |
| 14:36.23 | DocScrutinizer | in EU you got 2 years of warranty, which is at shop, not manuf |
| 14:36.44 | freemangordon | Well, I think Netherlands is in EU |
| 14:36.48 | Lava_Croft | it is |
| 14:36.52 | freemangordon | :p |
| 14:37.01 | Lava_Croft | but for me as a customer, i only cared about a new n900 |
| 14:37.13 | Lava_Croft | and like i said, my shop was horrible in being able to get me a new one |
| 14:37.20 | DocScrutinizer | of course shops tend to tell you to directly contact manuf, but legally they are responsible |
| 14:37.50 | Lava_Croft | in the end, my shop was one of two entities getting me a new n900 |
| 14:37.53 | Lava_Croft | the other one was nokia directly |
| 14:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 14:38.18 | Lava_Croft | i did hold off the Nokia phonecall about the new (2nd) n900 for about a month |
| 14:38.21 | freemangordon | lucky you |
| 14:38.23 | Lava_Croft | but the Nokia Care guy kept on calling 2 times a day |
| 14:38.32 | Lava_Croft | he really, really wanted to get rid of that (in his eyes) shit n900 |
| 14:38.42 | Lava_Croft | sometimes i still feel a bit guilty :) |
| 14:38.53 | DocScrutinizer | nah, it's OK |
| 14:38.53 | Lava_Croft | somewhere, some poor guy did not get his n900 |
| 14:38.55 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 14:39.13 | Lava_Croft | and is stuck using an awesome n8, like i was for several months |
| 14:39.38 | DocScrutinizer | somewhere in Finland some trashbin eventually will see one less brand new N900 |
| 14:39.43 | Lava_Croft | yeah |
| 14:39.46 | Lava_Croft | thats what struck me the most |
| 14:39.54 | Lava_Croft | sending in my broken n900 to nokia only made them do one thing |
| 14:40.05 | Lava_Croft | look at the accompanying note and then dump the package right away |
| 14:40.09 | Lava_Croft | n900 was already EOL at the time |
| 14:40.21 | Lava_Croft | they just dump em:< |
| 14:40.26 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 14:40.32 | Lava_Croft | i was so angry |
| 14:40.53 | Lava_Croft | im one of those lifelong nokia customers, this was really unheard of |
| 14:43.42 | freemangordon | merlin1991, ping |
| 14:53.22 | amiconn | My N900 is my first nokia phone, and it looks like it will also be the last one |
| 14:54.44 | jonwil | My N900 is my first Nokia phone and I have had nothing bad to say about Nokia Care or the customer service people |
| 14:55.12 | jonwil | The only people I dont like at Nokia are the legal department and the upper management |
| 14:56.17 | jonwil | Then again, I doubt anyone in here likes the Nokia upper management for their "lets become a subsidiary of Microsoft but without all the legal and political hassle of actually being bought by Microsoft" decision |
| 14:57.28 | jonwil | If Nokia was to make a phone that is as nice as the N900 (both in terms of hardware and in terms of hackability and openness of the software) I would have no qualms buying one |
| 14:57.55 | Lava_Croft | dumb finns ruined themselves |
| 14:58.07 | jonwil | but I refuse to buy a phone (Windows Phone) where I have to pay money just to write software for the thing and run it on the real device |
| 15:00.06 | jonwil | Same reason I will not buy anything with a piece of fruit for a logo :) |
| 15:00.16 | Lava_Croft | i just need a gnu userland |
| 15:02.43 | jonwil | I too want my next phone to be a proper linux phone |
| 15:02.56 | jonwil | and not some half-baked derivitive (Android, WebOS) |
| 15:03.13 | Lava_Croft | its not about religion or anything for me, just ease of use |
| 15:03.20 | jonwil | but I fear that manufacturers are unwilling to produce a proper linux phone where you can just write proper linux apps out of the box |
| 15:03.40 | Lava_Croft | thats not fear, thats reality |
| 15:03.43 | Lava_Croft | :\ |
| 15:03.47 | jonwil | yeah |
| 15:04.00 | jonwil | Android is popular with carriers and OEMs because it can be locked down more than Linux can |
| 15:05.31 | jonwil | and because (for the most part) the license is fairly permissive so unlike the N900 which is full of GPL/LGPL packages, most Android phones have the kernel and little else thats GPL/LGPL |
| 15:11.19 | Lava_Croft | its just really annoying to have to download whatever crippled 'app' to do common stuff |
| 15:11.35 | Lava_Croft | no, not annoying, its just fucked up |
| 15:12.48 | jonwil | the #1 reason I like the n900 is that there is a nice repo full of cool software for it, all of it free (and much of it open source) |
| 15:13.15 | Lava_Croft | i like it because it runs just about all the same software that i am used to running |
| 15:17.57 | jonwil | There are some packages (games for one) that for various reasons aren't really suited to the N900 IMO :) |
| 15:19.48 | jonwil | OpenTTD for one (hard to play without a mouse and also not really suited to a phone because leaving it running long enough to let the simulation do what it needs to would drain the battery) |
| 15:22.50 | javispedro | it works ages better on the n900 than on the n950 |
| 15:22.54 | javispedro | fscking capacitive |
| 15:24.11 | jonwil | the battery life is still a killer though :P |
| 15:24.31 | javispedro | nah, overrated |
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| 15:24.45 | javispedro | yes, it will not last more than 24h |
| 15:25.01 | javispedro | but it is also not going to empty itself in 3 which is what happens when you leave with screen on and full CPU :) |
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| 15:27.26 | DocScrutinizer | also on andridiot I guess |
| 15:28.35 | DocScrutinizer | actually battery life of iPhone as well as andoid is on par with N900 when those are doing same ballpark on duties like the N900 |
| 15:28.48 | ShadowJK | remembers playing openttd on a P3-733Mhz, and running out of cpu power |
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| 15:29.13 | fw190 | hello |
| 15:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | the point why everybody percieves those had way better battery standby tmes is just because the concept is really not what I'd like to have, regarding true multitasking and always-online |
| 15:29.46 | fw190 | is it possible to do this in CSSU http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1155925&postcount=19 |
| 15:31.14 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: on andridiot you cannot even let the simulation run when the screen is off |
| 15:31.22 | javispedro | because screen off = suspend |
| 15:31.24 | javispedro | some people think that is better. |
| 15:31.32 | javispedro | I utterly and completely disagree. |
| 15:31.34 | DocScrutinizer | fw190: umm, hardly |
| 15:31.42 | ShadowJK | does that mean if I have an android device with an IRC client, I disappear from irc whne screen is off? |
| 15:31.48 | DocScrutinizer | I can't see the benefit of ofono anyway |
| 15:32.14 | javispedro | ShadowJK: suspend does not necessarily kill the connection, and it might e.g. setup an alarm to be periodically reawakened |
| 15:32.17 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: exactly |
| 15:32.22 | javispedro | ShadowJK: but all these are tricks the application should be implementing |
| 15:32.29 | javispedro | ShadowJK: by default, it dies |
| 15:32.30 | ShadowJK | Once you put ofono on it, essentially the entire phone and 3g functionality stops working and has to be written from scratch again? |
| 15:33.28 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sure, at least that's what I understood about it. ofono is orthogonal to what er got right now |
| 15:33.46 | DocScrutinizer | s/ er/ we/ |
| 15:34.34 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: yep, agree on all of above |
| 15:35.07 | jonwil | Too many pieces of closed source software would need to be rewritten for ofono to be usable |
| 15:35.18 | ShadowJK | What about the browser, does it stop loading pages if I switch off screen and put it in my pocket |
| 15:35.34 | DocScrutinizer | and to what aim? |
| 15:35.58 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: probably |
| 15:36.16 | jonwil | yeah I dont think replacing the cellular services daemon is necessary |
| 15:36.35 | javispedro | ShadowJK: yes |
| 15:36.46 | javispedro | and the worst part? that is how wp7 works too |
| 15:36.49 | DocScrutinizer | esp since ofono also seems dead now, much like fremantle or meego |
| 15:36.55 | ShadowJK | javispedro, how annoying. It's one of my biggest use cases during the week :) |
| 15:37.11 | javispedro | it has always been here |
| 15:37.27 | javispedro | on maemo/meego I usually launch 3 or 4 apps and start using the first one to load |
| 15:37.43 | javispedro | the only other platform I know where this is possible is webOS |
| 15:38.11 | jonwil | really the only issues are 1 or 2 bugs in it (like the bug I fixed with the binary patch in my cbsms widget) and 1 or 2 features that might be nice to have in theory |
| 15:38.12 | javispedro | and they're messing up already -- e.g. the browser seems not to start loading pages in the background unless you make it into the foreground at least once |
| 15:39.09 | ShadowJK | I have short intervals of free time throughout the working day. Usually I have like a news front page open, and open all the articles I'm interested in, in new windows. Then switch off screen and put n900 in pocket while the pages are loading |
| 15:39.43 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 15:39.49 | Lava_Croft | i constantly open and close opera |
| 15:40.32 | DocScrutinizer | obvious downside: any crappy flash or JS on a website can cut thru your battery in no time, even while device is on screen-off idle mode |
| 15:40.42 | fw190 | if offono is dead maemo is dead tizen is in foog then what is alive? :) |
| 15:40.48 | Lava_Croft | just dont use flash |
| 15:40.53 | ShadowJK | Nah, microb can pause javascript after a user defined timeout :P |
| 15:41.15 | ShadowJK | has it set to 60 seconds, seems most pages load far enough in that time |
| 15:41.20 | DocScrutinizer | fw190: CSSU is alive |
| 15:41.23 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 15:41.32 | MohammadAG | and kicking |
| 15:41.39 | Lava_Croft | and updating soon? |
| 15:41.42 | Lava_Croft | chuckles |
| 15:41.53 | MohammadAG | kicks Lava_Croft |
| 15:42.00 | Lava_Croft | screeches |
| 15:42.20 | fw190 | hahahaah this is one good news in my shity life - thaht you people still have time to work on it |
| 15:42.36 | jonwil | thinks there are bits of Maemo that would be nice to have replacements for and the cellular services daemon is one one of the things we should target |
| 15:42.44 | jonwil | is not one |
| 15:45.09 | jonwil | I just wish I had the skills to tackle things like the closed hildon-input-method bits, wlan stuff (libicd-network-wlan etc), browser UI and systemui stuff :( |
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| 17:33.05 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: pong |
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| 18:38.43 | SpacedOut | Pali: Thanks for packaging up a newer fennec not too long ago, the previous one didn't support IPv6, this one does. |
| 18:39.28 | Pali | SpacedOut, I created it because only mozilla deleted their last version from their mozilla repository |
| 18:40.04 | SpacedOut | Just the same the version I downloaded didn't work with IPv6 and this one did, thanks. |
| 18:40.05 | Pali | updating to other new version should be simple (change only debian/changelog and debian/rules to use other upstream tarball) |
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| 19:00.21 | freemangordon | merlin1991, several packages shoult be ready for "devel" repo |
| 19:00.27 | freemangordon | *should |
| 19:00.49 | freemangordon | namely clutter, ke-recv and libhildonfm |
| 19:01.25 | freemangordon | on the other hand arcean's MR fir hildon-desktop is still not pushed |
| 19:01.33 | freemangordon | MohammadAG, merlin1991 ^^^ |
| 19:01.54 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: looking into the mr today |
| 19:02.03 | merlin1991 | what about libhildonfm? |
| 19:05.25 | freemangordon | see the commit |
| 19:05.51 | freemangordon | it is related to ke-recv fixes |
| 19:06.23 | freemangordon | without this sdcard partitions appear with icon for internal in filemanager |
| 19:06.37 | freemangordon | (excludin vfat partition) |
| 19:19.40 | freemangordon | Pali, filemanager freezes only when called through dbus call |
| 19:20.19 | Pali | freemangordon, filemanager is freezed or some hildon/osso/fm library? |
| 19:20.26 | freemangordon | seems to happen only when the device is not mounted reliably |
| 19:20.30 | freemangordon | NFC |
| 19:21.21 | freemangordon | but if you open it through dbus call with parameter to open newly mounted device it freezes, could be some timing issue |
| 19:22.07 | Pali | install dbg symbols and attach gdb to osso filemanager |
| 19:22.45 | freemangordon | Pali, the only device I can test is my second n900, not a comfortable way to debug :) |
| 19:23.08 | Pali | ok |
| 19:23.55 | freemangordon | anyway, it looks like hang in some system call, waiting forever for open or something |
| 19:24.48 | freemangordon | so it might be in libhildonfm as well, somewhere in the code trying to get device information |
| 19:25.25 | freemangordon | maybe some O_NONBLOCK should be added |
| 19:33.57 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: ping |
| 19:34.53 | MohammadAG | pong |
| 19:35.07 | merlin1991 | you still have to request membership of https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cssu |
| 19:35.45 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, done |
| 19:36.06 | freemangordon | merlin1991, speaking of garage, todo list is still empty :) |
| 19:36.17 | merlin1991 | freemangordon: it's on my todo for today |
| 19:36.29 | freemangordon | :D |
| 19:36.36 | freemangordon | great |
| 19:36.52 | merlin1991 | I have to adaüt silly loadprofile export for some company project and after that I'm going to work on cssu stuff |
| 19:37.06 | merlin1991 | s/adaüt/adapt/ |
| 19:37.29 | merlin1991 | and hopefully still find some time afterwards to play a lil me3 :) |
| 19:37.40 | freemangordon | me3? |
| 19:37.44 | merlin1991 | mass effect 3 |
| 19:38.09 | freemangordon | which reminds me to check what the hell is going on with episode 3 |
| 19:38.23 | merlin1991 | what do you mean? |
| 19:38.53 | freemangordon | hl2 |
| 19:40.06 | freemangordon | half life 2 episode 3 was expected to be ready by the end of 2009 AFAIK :) |
| 19:40.18 | freemangordon | something lik duke nukem forever |
| 19:40.19 | merlin1991 | hehe valve |
| 19:40.23 | freemangordon | yeah |
| 19:40.31 | merlin1991 | hopefully it doesn't end like the duke |
| 19:40.39 | merlin1991 | the result that finally came out was soooooo bad |
| 19:42.15 | merlin1991 | okay MohammadAG you're an admin now too |
| 19:42.31 | merlin1991 | btw we have DocScrutinizer as admin there in case we both get hit by a bus ;) |
| 19:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
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| 19:51.14 | Sicelo | \o/ |
| 19:52.10 | MohammadAG | what if god forbid all 3 of us got hit |
| 19:52.29 | MohammadAG | or worse, what if it's the apocalypse, who'll maintain the project then? |
| 19:53.36 | Sicelo | God |
| 19:53.38 | Sicelo | :D |
| 19:53.52 | MohammadAG | wfm |
| 20:00.22 | javispedro | god uses tizen |
| 20:00.31 | RST38h | Which god? |
| 20:01.01 | javispedro | not mine for obvious reasons |
| 20:01.19 | javispedro | the one over the next door, I dunno. |
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| 20:59.27 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 21:00.13 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, merlin1991 you noticed the mails of garage are pretty fsckdup regarding the URL which has a "." at end which doesn't belong there? |
| 21:00.46 | merlin1991 | it does not belong into the url |
| 21:00.52 | merlin1991 | but it belongs to the sentence :D |
| 21:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 21:01.01 | merlin1991 | You can blablab here URL. |
| 21:01.26 | merlin1991 | Thunderbird does not include the . in the clickable url :) |
| 21:01.46 | DocScrutinizer | https://garage.maemo.org/project/admin/?group_id=2300. An error occured in the logger. ERROR: invalid input syntax for integer: "2300." |
| 21:02.02 | merlin1991 | hehe even my irc client doe not pick up that . :D |
| 21:02.13 | merlin1991 | though I bet there are valid cases for that . |
| 21:02.17 | merlin1991 | which would break then |
| 21:04.11 | DocScrutinizer | well, a parameter after "?" might easily need a dot at end |
| 21:04.43 | merlin1991 | well url parsing within test tends to be quite odd |
| 21:04.50 | merlin1991 | s/test/text/ |
| 21:04.54 | DocScrutinizer | even things like URLBLABLA/?char=. are likely |
| 21:05.04 | merlin1991 | sure |
| 21:06.04 | merlin1991 | it's always a problem if you inline a artificial 'language' into common text |
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| 22:46.40 | merlin1991 | whenever you thing it's going to be just a 1 liner to fix you end up working 2,5 hours on the problem |
| 22:46.41 | merlin1991 | yay |
| 22:46.43 | merlin1991 | :/ |