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| 01:04.32 | DocScrutinizer | SpacedOut: I happen to have a browser window open on my desktop that I got on "todo": http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1050432#post1050432 |
| 01:06.04 | DocScrutinizer | SpacedOut: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=690253&postcount=20 doesn't look like a daemon is needed to record end-of-call times to db |
| 01:06.28 | DocScrutinizer | AIUI it works with a stored procedure inside the sql db |
| 01:07.51 | SpacedOut | Thanks for the pointers, I'll look into them. I was surprised the end_time wasn't filled out since it was there, and I expected since it wasn't set it got forgotten or something. |
| 01:08.35 | SpacedOut | I also expected since it still wasn't being set years after the device was released if I wanted it set I had to do it myself. |
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| 02:03.36 | SpacedOut | I read those posts and I'm sticking to my daemon approach, but thanks for sharing them. The database trigger method is as dumb of logic as you can get, as in KISS, but adding any change in time to the last call fails when there are multiple calls in that direction. The daemon I wrote can handle this, although I think there is a small window of opportunity if both calls start at the same time. |
| 02:04.40 | SpacedOut | As far as the second set of scripts, they are running all the time. So the trade off is something running all the time to collect the duration vs something running all the time to display it. |
| 02:19.49 | SpacedOut | DocScrutinizer: Was it on your todo list to enable updating the end_time on your phone or for some other reason? |
| 02:20.22 | DocScrutinizer | err what? |
| 02:20.43 | DocScrutinizer | what's running all the tine? |
| 02:20.48 | SpacedOut | Just curious why you had those bookmarked. |
| 02:20.59 | DocScrutinizer | my todo list resulted in me finally updating: |
| 02:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~jrtools |
| 02:21.02 | infobot | jrtools is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 02:22.33 | DocScrutinizer | nfc if e.g advanced call history app will display duration now that I've added that stored procedures to the database |
| 02:23.16 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not particularly interested in the "remaining minutes" display of the thread I originally posted above |
| 02:23.33 | SpacedOut | I still wonder why they had the field in the first place since they didn't populate it. |
| 02:23.52 | DocScrutinizer | I think they simply missed to add the triggers/SPs |
| 02:24.27 | SpacedOut | The problem with the triggers approach is it just adds to the last call, no matter if you had two calls and the first ended last. My daemon handles that case. |
| 02:24.52 | DocScrutinizer | there's like 5 dozen such unfished nice raw building blocks in fremantle |
| 02:25.09 | DocScrutinizer | absolutely same for profiles |
| 02:25.52 | SpacedOut | No kidding for profiles, pick two. I might go for three, sound+vibrate, vibrate, none, not two. |
| 02:26.28 | DocScrutinizer | all the low level stuff can handle as many different profiles as you want, just the status plugin is too braindamaged to get it right to do more than just "default" and "silent" |
| 02:27.43 | DocScrutinizer | which is especially sad when the top level shit is a closed blob you even have a hard time to replace by sth comprehensive |
| 02:28.39 | DocScrutinizer | same with dialer: it looks up the contact for inbound calls but misses to display the NUMBER!! |
| 02:28.52 | DocScrutinizer | FFS |
| 02:29.17 | DocScrutinizer | we opened a bug against that BS in PR1.0 IIRC. |
| 02:29.23 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia didn't care |
| 02:30.03 | DocScrutinizer | in PR1.3.1 you still got no clue whether your mom called from office, from home, from her mobile, or maybe even via SIP |
| 02:30.09 | SpacedOut | I guess they demonstrate the value of binary proprietary software, it works until you decide it doesn't do what you want it to. |
| 02:31.32 | DocScrutinizer | well, I'm not correct with the SIP stuff, dialer is too stupid to get the "sip:" lead-in and "@mysipprovider.tld" stripped |
| 02:32.04 | DocScrutinizer | si a inbound from sip:12345@foo.bar never gets matched to contact with phone number 12345 |
| 02:32.11 | SpacedOut | For a long while I wanted to redo the GUI for answering the call so the answer and reject buttons were in the same place no matter if it was landscape or portrait, then I told it not to rotate. |
| 02:32.11 | DocScrutinizer | so* |
| 02:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, another PITA: USABILITY |
| 02:33.18 | DocScrutinizer | which *IDIO*** placed the accept and reject button next to each other? |
| 02:33.54 | DocScrutinizer | ...instead of getting sliders rather than mere huge buttons, first instance |
| 02:33.57 | SpacedOut | Then there's the e-mail client. I need to spend some more time on the IDLE patch to be notified within a few seconds of the e-mail being received, it works, but still has some threading deadlocks in it. |
| 02:34.50 | SpacedOut | Yep, I've hung up on people trying to answer. I'm not sure what the voice mail looking icon is supposed to do because it always gives me an error. |
| 02:36.14 | SpacedOut | I've been walking to thank Pali for packaging up the newer fennec, the previous one didn't work with IPv6, this one does. |
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| 09:36.06 | amiconn | Imo fennec is unusable anyway. Way too slow (even @805 MHz) |
| 09:36.59 | amiconn | SIP contact matching works for me |
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| 10:45.26 | Lava_Croft | fennec is a joke |
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| 14:25.41 | MohammadAG | just LD_PRELOAD a patch to move the buttons |
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| 14:32.33 | amiconn | What's puzzling me is that fennec is several times slower than microb, using the same web browser engine |
| 14:39.14 | MohammadAG | I _think_ microB is threaded |
| 14:39.35 | MohammadAG | the engine runs in a completely separate process and the rendered page shows on the UI |
| 14:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | now that's for sure |
| 14:44.00 | DocScrutinizer | a ps will prove it |
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| 15:13.28 | MohammadAG | fennec runs it in the same process |
| 15:15.39 | DocScrutinizer | I guess in #maemo and #maemo chanlog you could find quite a number of answers regarding this topic |
| 15:33.53 | Raimu | Besides AIUI it isn't the exactly the same engine anymore. Anyway, even the different n900 fennec builds vary in speed. |
| 15:34.33 | Raimu | minus one instance of "the" here |
| 15:37.30 | DocScrutinizer | (LD_PRELOAD a patch to move the buttons) hah, my suggestion sine long. At least partially, I'd prefer to even replace style of buttons from mere pushbutton to a slider switch |
| 15:38.57 | DocScrutinizer | AIUI it's not exactly simple to implement that patch, but feasible |
| 15:45.13 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, the number of patches I've seen on iOS... |
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| 16:00.34 | naru | hello |
| 16:00.55 | naru | i am naru.. today i updated cssu |
| 16:02.02 | naru | i wnt filetranfer application in im chat .. whatsapp not suported in "OPP |
| 16:03.07 | naru | hello any budy hear ? |
| 16:03.49 | naru | i did installed mego,nemo,android but they all os are working slow in "900 |
| 16:05.31 | naru | only maemo origneal os is working fine but i dont knw why popular chat appication no working proarly.. nimbuzz, fring whatsapp |
| 16:09.03 | amiconn | MohammadAG: While that might explain differences in "snappiness", it doesn't explain differences in overall speed |
| 16:10.37 | naru | in cssu you update toch parfomnce is to good and speed also now bettor but something missing |
| 16:12.11 | naru | real 3G video calling not suporting nokia n900 have front camera but wee cant use reall video calling |
| 16:12.33 | andre__ | naru, how is that related to the CSSU? :) |
| 16:12.40 | Lava_Croft | uh |
| 16:13.35 | naru | cssu update today i did upated its realy amaging |
| 16:15.08 | naru | andre can you tell me is it possibel real video calling in cssu update only gtalk and and skypee suported in n900 |
| 16:16.28 | andre__ | naru, what is "real"? |
| 16:16.43 | amiconn | once compared microb, fennec, opera mobile and midori using rightmark's browsermark |
| 16:16.45 | andre__ | Real Player has been dead for ages. :) |
| 16:17.58 | naru | i m not telling real player .. i m telling cellulor video calling mins mobile numner to mobile number video calling that i wnt |
| 16:18.48 | Lava_Croft | my eyes |
| 16:19.00 | naru | when its possibel in my n900 ? |
| 16:19.00 | andre__ | naru, I have problems to read what you write :-( |
| 16:19.11 | andre__ | it's hard to understand. |
| 16:19.18 | andre__ | what is "mins"? |
| 16:19.40 | naru | andre have you n900 ? |
| 16:19.44 | merlin1991 | andre__: by the, you asked for bugmeeting logs, what format and also where would you prefer them? |
| 16:19.46 | amiconn | The clear winner was opera mobile with a score of ~17500, microb and midori where about equally fast (~12500). Fennec was the slowest by far: 2500 |
| 16:19.54 | merlin1991 | s/by the,/by the way,/ |
| 16:20.14 | andre__ | merlin1991: any that is readable for the public when posting the link to it on a maemo mailing list and talk.maemo.org :) |
| 16:20.21 | andre__ | naru, sure |
| 16:20.25 | andre__ | three. :P |
| 16:20.48 | merlin1991 | err why do you have 3? :D |
| 16:21.04 | merlin1991 | I mean I run stock, testing and stable todo regression tests, but what's your rationale? |
| 16:21.09 | naru | then tell me how you call video call in n900 ? only gtalk and by skypee na ? |
| 16:21.33 | merlin1991 | naru: gtalk and skype should work, 3g video calls never were implemented |
| 16:21.45 | andre__ | merlin1991, one has broken USB, the other ran MeeGo. |
| 16:22.07 | merlin1991 | also cssu cannot provide you with an update for 3g video calls because the neccesary components are nokia closed source |
| 16:22.19 | naru | ya that i m asking any updation for real video calling ? |
| 16:22.38 | merlin1991 | not going to happen |
| 16:23.14 | andre__ | naru: that's a question to Nokia who have that code. |
| 16:23.16 | naru | andree meego is slow in my n900 .. ya nemo working but my sim internet not working in nemo |
| 16:23.23 | andre__ | and we're not Nokia. |
| 16:23.27 | andre__ | MeeGo is deader than Maemo. |
| 16:23.42 | andre__ | Nobody runs MeeGo anymore anyway. If at all, then Mer. |
| 16:23.50 | andre__ | (Mer/Nemo) |
| 16:23.59 | andre__ | anyway, that's not the topic here. |
| 16:24.16 | andre__ | naru, see merlin1991's answer above, that explains everything. |
| 16:24.33 | naru | k andre |
| 16:25.08 | naru | hmm i understend |
| 16:25.21 | naru | thanks merlin |
| 16:25.59 | naru | what will new coming in cssu update ? i m using cssu testing ver |
| 16:27.09 | naru | atchuly i m in nokia care i am only know that how to flash phone and how to reapir phone |
| 16:27.45 | naru | n900 is defrent think thats why i wnt to knw |
| 16:30.13 | naru | andre i have lot of qution cssu update , now my dispay rotating but only in home scrin and manu icon |
| 16:30.27 | andre__ | naru, I'm sorry, but reading this is too hard. |
| 16:30.37 | andre__ | I'm out. |
| 16:30.58 | naru | ok |
| 16:31.06 | merlin1991 | the next update most probably includes updated obexd (better car kit support) ke-recv (automounting) tracker (mediaart) |
| 16:31.27 | merlin1991 | naru: what else do you expect to rotate? |
| 16:32.40 | naru | in conversion is it posibel to ratate ? |
| 16:33.09 | merlin1991 | naru: there is a patch somewhere on bugs.maemo.org which you have to apply manually |
| 16:33.37 | naru | have any link ? merlin |
| 16:33.54 | naru | have you any link ? |
| 16:35.07 | naru | let me explain merlin hot apply manualy i will find by self |
| 16:36.00 | naru | merlin explain me any examle i will do that by my self 1st i wnt to knw how to aply manualy |
| 16:36.03 | merlin1991 | naru: sorry I don't have the link |
| 16:36.14 | merlin1991 | it's a css file that has to be adjusted |
| 16:36.34 | merlin1991 | but you might find it with the right search terms on talk.maemo.org |
| 16:37.11 | naru | ok thanks brother |
| 16:39.37 | naru | cssu update is it officel nokia aprowed version ? |
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| 16:41.26 | DocScrutinizer | no, it's beyond that |
| 16:41.30 | naru | merlin cssu update is it nokia aprowed mins its ligal ya unligal ? |
| 16:41.50 | DocScrutinizer | and of course it is "legal" |
| 16:42.45 | naru | if my phone underworantty if i install cssu update then my worantty will not void na ? |
| 16:42.51 | DocScrutinizer | it's even supported by Nokia, see URL of repository |
| 16:43.00 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 16:43.22 | DocScrutinizer | warranty not void by using CSSU (or any app) |
| 16:43.56 | naru | ocscrutinizer are you sure ? becuz its overclocking update thats why i m asking u |
| 16:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless Nokia care will not help with problems when you are using CSSU. They will ask you to revert to stock maemo version PR1.3.1 and then come back with your problem, if it still exists |
| 16:45.02 | DocScrutinizer | overclocking is nasty, deprecated, and for sure will void your warranty |
| 16:45.15 | DocScrutinizer | cssu is NOT about overclocking |
| 16:46.07 | naru | ahahaha i knw that becuz i m in nokia care . i will flash phone if any problem will come |
| 16:46.44 | DocScrutinizer | well, anyway... I'm busy and have to run. bye |
| 16:46.47 | naru | i am thats why asking becuz today maemo platform is close |
| 16:47.51 | naru | its realy good maemo platform but its to hard to understend normal people |
| 16:48.17 | DocScrutinizer | N900 is not for "normal people" |
| 16:48.55 | DocScrutinizer | it's for people that otherwise would get a iPhone with jailbreak or an android with cyanogen |
| 16:49.10 | naru | ya docsrutinzer thats true this is not phone this is big rocket hard to drive |
| 16:49.30 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, bye |
| 16:49.40 | DocScrutinizer | please consider /join #maemo |
| 16:49.43 | naru | ok bye thanks |
| 16:49.56 | DocScrutinizer | as this is the wrong channel to discuss generic maemo topics |
| 16:50.40 | DocScrutinizer | even when you got CSSU "installed", you are still running a "normal" maemo fremantle device |
| 16:52.14 | naru | i m using cssu |
| 16:52.34 | naru | its realy nice working |
| 16:53.36 | naru | phone speed, toch parfomnce everything good in cssu |
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| 17:26.12 | Lava_Croft | n900 is for people who value gnu userland |
| 17:29.12 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
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| 19:12.44 | Lava_Croft | if it wasnt for gnu userland, n900 would be a joke device |
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