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| 08:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | no it's not |
| 08:49.49 | *** mode/#maemo-ssu [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 08:49.56 | *** mode/#maemo-ssu [+b estel_!*@*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 08:50.02 | *** mode/#maemo-ssu [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 08:50.11 | DocScrutinizer | now it's "fixed" |
| 08:50.51 | DocScrutinizer | ban for messing with infobot, exploiting it in a way that might cause infobot to get taken down from whole freenode |
| 08:51.46 | DocScrutinizer | **despite lovingly and in epic length explaining the problem to estel_ and asking him to stop that behaviour** |
| 08:52.10 | psycho_oreos | o.O I thought suddenly all of the maemo/meego related channels became active heh |
| 08:52.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~onjoin -DocScrutinizer |
| 08:52.47 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: ok |
| 08:53.17 | DocScrutinizer | ~chanset #maemo-ssu OnJoin=0 |
| 08:53.17 | infobot | OnJoin=0 for #maemo-ssu is not set. |
| 08:53.34 | DocScrutinizer | ~chanset #maemo-ssu OnJoin 0 |
| 08:53.34 | infobot | Setting OnJoin for #maemo-ssu to '0'. |
| 08:53.58 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles swearwords |
| 08:54.53 | psycho_oreos | muses the thought of DocScrutinizer swearing in Deutsch ^^ |
| 08:56.13 | DocScrutinizer | muses going thru all 121 chan infobot/apt is in, to set OnJoin 0, so moron estel_ won't abuse it there tomorrow |
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| 08:57.11 | DocScrutinizer | and even then he could abuse it in private query, making random nonsense onjoin msgs for any *new* channel infobot joins that I haven't immunized yet |
| 08:57.50 | psycho_oreos | ideally you need to setup logins based on nickname |
| 08:58.02 | DocScrutinizer | SERIOUSLY pissed |
| 08:58.58 | DocScrutinizer | nah, onjoin is a poorly designed cmd in infobot, and estel_ exploits the fact in all ways he could think of |
| 09:00.01 | DocScrutinizer | I'd disable it globally, if only I wouldn't already know it's been used for 'good' as well, by reasonable knowledgeable chanops |
| 09:00.06 | psycho_oreos | yeah but what I meant is that you might be able to set onjoin only available to certain uses.. or you can be really nasty and change the command completely to another name that estel wouldn't knot |
| 09:00.18 | psycho_oreos | s/uses/users/ |
| 09:00.22 | DocScrutinizer | no, that's not how it's implemented |
| 09:00.37 | psycho_oreos | oh ffs, typo galore |
| 09:00.44 | psycho_oreos | hmm ok |
| 09:00.56 | DocScrutinizer | and I can't mess with infobot's source, I'm only admin of that bot |
| 09:01.02 | psycho_oreos | guesses changing the name of the command would be a nasty hack then :) |
| 09:01.16 | psycho_oreos | ahh |
| 09:02.08 | DocScrutinizer | I *could* do chanset _default OnJoin 0 |
| 09:02.17 | psycho_oreos | pretty annoying that you can simply rename a command without changing the source and recompiling.. I mean even with all that effort it is a fair bit of hassle |
| 09:02.42 | DocScrutinizer | but that'S like breaking a basic function for 10.000s of users |
| 09:03.13 | DocScrutinizer | TimRiker can do that in a minute |
| 09:03.21 | DocScrutinizer | but not me |
| 09:03.55 | psycho_oreos | thinks its one heck of a brain****** that would be lol.. somehow its all correlated and yet complex |
| 09:03.57 | DocScrutinizer | I pinged him about that onjoin issue several times now, but he's not very available for this kinda stuff |
| 09:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | @chanops: you're free to unban estel, after a bit of shouting at him |
| 09:05.52 | DocScrutinizer | exiting rage mode, entering daywork mode (1h late now >:-( ) |
| 09:06.11 | psycho_oreos | just say you had family issues ;) |
| 09:06.40 | DocScrutinizer | they know I'm a bot - bots have no family |
| 09:06.55 | psycho_oreos | then you shouldn't be working there lol |
| 09:07.20 | psycho_oreos | even bots do have a life to go through before they die heh |
| 09:07.59 | psycho_oreos | thinks he just contradicted himself with that bit of last statement there |
| 09:08.07 | psycho_oreos | surely there has to be a valid excuse somewhere |
| 09:08.24 | psycho_oreos | anyway have fun |
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| 13:33.28 | arcean | BCMM: bug 12516 |
| 13:33.30 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12516 Error Message camera-ui: "Not enough memory to save photo" |
| 13:33.40 | BCMM | arcean: thanks! |
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| 15:29.12 | Lava_Croft | mubles about update |
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| 16:15.53 | guly | merlin1991: uploading new version/packages to repo via scp is okay? |
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| 17:00.16 | merlin1991 | guly: not really unless you mean scpign to some incoming dir where a cronjob picks up packages and adds them to repo |
| 17:10.27 | guly | exactly |
| 17:11.15 | merlin1991 | which has been exactly what I did on maemo.org :) |
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| 17:13.26 | guly | dupload or straight scp? |
| 17:14.20 | merlin1991 | straight scp |
| 17:14.35 | merlin1991 | though dupload worked too (mag used it) |
| 17:16.56 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I guess that interests you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSJtUbnM46E (n9 dismantling) |
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| 21:16.08 | Estel_ | Thanks, DocScrutinizer ;) |
| 21:16.28 | DocScrutinizer | thaks for not yet banning you forever?? |
| 21:16.46 | Estel_ | merlin1991, is there any place I can find specification for hildon-desktop memory leakage fix in ? |
| 21:16.51 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-16 20:57:30] *** Das Thema wurde am 2011-07-25 04:09 von DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg gesetzt. |
| 21:16.53 | Estel_ | thanks for unbanning me here |
| 21:16.53 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-16 20:57:32] <apt> just checking if it's fixed on ssu channel |
| 21:16.54 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-16 20:57:34] <apt> just checking if it's fixed on ssu channel |
| 21:16.56 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-16 20:57:47] *** Kanalmodi: +Cn |
| 21:16.57 | DocScrutinizer | [ |
| 21:17.07 | DocScrutinizer | will be reverted in a second |
| 21:17.21 | Estel_ | didn't touch anything |
| 21:17.45 | Estel_ | I swear. ;) I just returned after our last talk |
| 21:17.52 | DocScrutinizer | so why AGAIN this crap spammed 2 dozen channels? |
| 21:17.57 | Estel_ | no idea. |
| 21:18.08 | Estel_ | really, haven't touched it. |
| 21:18.24 | Estel_ | it seem that this onjoin is really cool option, though :/ |
| 21:18.50 | DocScrutinizer | it's a bit more complex than posix cmdline "echo" |
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| 21:19.30 | Estel_ | agreed. I think I'll stay with lart, thou. |
| 21:19.36 | Estel_ | ~lart Estel_ |
| 21:19.36 | infobot | gives Estel_ an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending Estel_ to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
| 21:19.45 | DocScrutinizer | and it's not obvious like hitting somebody with a baseball bat that omitting [#cahn] causes onjoin to work on ALL channels |
| 21:20.17 | Estel_ | hey, infobot is talking about permaban? |
| 21:20.19 | Estel_ | erm |
| 21:20.23 | Estel_ | now it is ;) |
| 21:20.33 | DocScrutinizer | and that you can have multiple onjoins for multiple channels |
| 21:20.39 | Estel_ | You just sit on too many channels, face it. It spams only where You're |
| 21:20.47 | Estel_ | ok. |
| 21:21.12 | Estel_ | so, it is actually permitted for use by regular user *with* channel specified, or it's absolutely denied? |
| 21:21.37 | Estel_ | I mean that is there a easy way to disable it by receiver after receiving? |
| 21:22.47 | Estel_ | maybe I could fix it by writin [onjoin] -DocScrutinizer |
| 21:22.48 | Estel_ | ? |
| 21:22.55 | Estel_ | should it delete it? |
| 21:23.14 | Estel_ | last time seemed to work. just don't wanna try it without asking ;) |
| 21:25.15 | Estel_ | should be fixed now, I hope |
| 21:25.41 | infobot | takes DocScrutinizer to the vet for a "special" visit, courtesy of estel_ |
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| 21:26.20 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: DO NOT TOUCH OnJoin |
| 21:26.39 | Estel_ | Just asking. |
| 21:26.53 | Estel_ | AFAIK -[nick] removes it |
| 21:27.18 | DocScrutinizer | we are about to replace the command with something causing infobot to make user get klined nstead of bot |
| 21:27.35 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: and I did exactly that |
| 21:27.41 | DocScrutinizer | and it re-appeared |
| 21:27.56 | Estel_ | isn't it that user who set it must execute it? |
| 21:28.02 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 21:28.10 | Estel_ | last time it worked only after I - it, remember? |
| 21:28.14 | Estel_ | h |
| 21:28.16 | Estel_ | as You wish |
| 21:28.28 | Estel_ | I havent touched it, though, and it's still alive |
| 21:28.33 | DocScrutinizer | there's only ONE onjoin per destination nick per channel plus _default |
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| 21:28.43 | Estel_ | I see. |
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| 21:33.02 | DocScrutinizer | well, when you swear you haven't touched it, I will ask Tim for logs |
| 21:33.12 | DocScrutinizer | to see why it came back |
| 21:33.21 | DocScrutinizer | and whom to kickban |
| 21:35.50 | DocScrutinizer | last week I didn't know what you have set, a global or a chan specific onjoin |
| 21:35.59 | DocScrutinizer | or both |
| 21:36.32 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe something even more tricky (also possible, but I would rather eat my tongue than telling you) |
| 21:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | and you *might* have noticed infobot lacks a ~list-onjoins command |
| 21:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | but beware, infobot already has a general ~ignore <nick> function |
| 21:39.49 | DocScrutinizer | We always hoped we don't need it |
| 21:40.04 | DocScrutinizer | but it's easy to activate |
| 21:44.36 | DocScrutinizer | anyway until now onjoin got rarely used, so there was no problem with it - users acted responsible. Thanks to you demonstrating that reasonable users are not the norm anymore, onjoin might get deactivated globally now |
| 21:45.51 | Estel_ | You oversimplifing, of course. Its not matter of 'responsible', rather, most users havent got idea about this function |
| 21:46.21 | DocScrutinizer | until you came spreading the news about how to abuse it |
| 21:46.52 | Estel_ | Of course instead of actually thanking me from checki,ng it - even, when it resultedd in quite unexpected chain of events - You're threatening me with ban for a few hours. |
| 21:47.01 | Estel_ | well, I havent told anyone |
| 21:47.39 | Estel_ | You're running around and screaming, even if fix for it is as simple as [onjoin] -DocScrutinizer |
| 21:47.42 | DocScrutinizer | I'm generally not saying "Thank you" when somebody demonstartes me that my hammer can be used to hit my foot |
| 21:47.56 | Estel_ | without Your temporal ban on -ssu there would not be even single public talk about it |
| 21:48.18 | Estel_ | well, actually, You got steel foot ;) Honest excuses for inconveicence |
| 21:48.20 | AndrewX192 | We should start a fork of maemo for arguments |
| 21:48.21 | DocScrutinizer | HAHAHAHA |
| 21:48.31 | Estel_ | but You're clearly overreactive |
| 21:48.34 | AndrewX192 | Maybe make a maemo SSU with lots of chat programs |
| 21:48.40 | AndrewX192 | Defaulting to debate channels |
| 21:48.41 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: again you don't realize you spammed DOZENS of channels |
| 21:48.52 | Estel_ | I realize it. well. |
| 21:48.59 | AndrewX192 | We should call it the DocScrutinizer SSU |
| 21:49.04 | Estel_ | afaik "spammed" mean one single message, when doc joins |
| 21:49.26 | AndrewX192 | Each installation will come with infobot source code for review of issues |
| 21:49.32 | AndrewX192 | and a local ircd |
| 21:49.55 | DocScrutinizer | AndrewX192: there are already channels for that, for *real* developers, not trolls like you |
| 21:50.08 | AndrewX192 | DocScrutinizer: excuse me? |
| 21:50.15 | Estel_ | well, we're already talking about it 543456x longer than real issue was happening |
| 21:50.21 | AndrewX192 | ^ |
| 21:50.49 | Estel_ | if You ( DocScrutinizer ) want to red through logs for that, I'm fine with it - just be sure to check timestamps |
| 21:51.03 | Estel_ | as I've not touched onjoin before issue -re-appeared |
| 21:51.18 | DocScrutinizer | Estel_: yeah, amazing isn't it? Especially that after all that talking you still haven't understood how onjoin works |
| 21:51.54 | Estel_ | and invoked some help about function syntax, then, [onjoin] -DocScrutinizer it. All *much* after issue re-appeared |
| 21:52.09 | Estel_ | now I understand, I hope. Not going to use it, if its so flawed though |
| 21:52.31 | AndrewX192 | What is onjoin anyway? |
| 21:52.33 | Estel_ | I can really imagine You going berserker again over finding that something is wrong again, be it my fault or not |
| 21:52.44 | Estel_ | I won't tell You, ask DocScrutinizer :P |
| 21:53.39 | DocScrutinizer | AndrewX192: it's what you are commenting about all the time, suggesting I should "forget about the problem" - is that honest to suggest to forget about a problem that you don't even knowWHAT it is? |
| 21:54.07 | AndrewX192 | DocScrutinizer: Because your arguments weren't constructive in #maemo |
| 21:54.26 | Estel_ | ok, have nice conversation gentlemans, I'm off ;) |
| 21:54.36 | DocScrutinizer | of course for somebody not even knowing onjoin my posts were not very helpful |
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| 21:58.10 | DocScrutinizer | just wonders why it never occurred to estel_ that for *trsting* he could set onjoin to *own* nick, rather than *mine* |
| 22:02.16 | DocScrutinizer | quize obviously the better testing method as the tester has a chance to see the test result, rather than not even being online when onjoin triggers. Plus it probably wouldn't have caused so much hot emotions by pestering/abusing others |
| 22:03.31 | DocScrutinizer | generally unsolicited "tests" on public productive systems rarely are welcome |
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| 23:48.38 | Estel_ | guly, hi there. How our "special" things are going? No unexpected problems? |