IRC log for #maemo-ssu on 20111111

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17:07.59*** topic/#maemo-ssu is Second CSSU task force meeting started, please mute your mobile phones and be quiet during proceding to your seat. Thanks!
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17:10.31merlin1991wtf where's everyone?
17:10.52merlin1991we can discuss about nothing without mag :/
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17:12.03DocScrutinizerprobably he found a rocket fuel powered PSU and he tuned his spare fan so he vcan fly to the clouds now with his laptop
17:12.33fw190lets hope so. eagerly waiting for cssu 17
17:13.06merlin1991well let's gather info, anything that could go into cssu 18 that isn't a patch?
17:13.44merlin1991holds up a sign with http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PBAP
17:14.27DocScrutinizerto shorten the boredom a bit for the rest of you: I fixed my fan with a proxxon mill by milling a small hole slightly off axis to the fan blade plastic and then "filled" the whole thing with good amount of silicone oil
17:14.58merlin1991it's essentially an obexd upgrade that improves bluetooth handling of car-kits
17:15.17merlin1991enables proper phonebook support a number of them
17:15.24DocScrutinizerCSSU-T18?
17:15.45merlin1991yeah
17:15.54DocScrutinizerwhitelist handling!
17:16.04merlin1991is in current one but needs fixing
17:16.24DocScrutinizereditor, not function
17:16.31merlin1991ah .D
17:16.55merlin1991I tried around with the whitelist function and it kinda broke roatation in general :D
17:17.32DocScrutinizerthere's that "CSSU Features" button in powerbutton-menu
17:18.36merlin1991huh?
17:18.49DocScrutinizerit bitches on me all the time about "transitions.ini doesn't have all the expected options" and allows to "fix" (most likely actually break) or exit.
17:19.10merlin1991"that" cssu features button does not come with cssu
17:19.24merlin1991afaik it's the cssu tuner app that delivers it
17:19.26DocScrutinizerwe should shanghai it
17:19.58DocScrutinizerI seem to recall once it worked and when it did it was nice
17:20.00fw190shanghai?
17:20.10DocScrutinizerhijack, kidnap
17:20.15fw190;)
17:20.22merlin1991DocScrutinizer: I gotta facepalm
17:20.35merlin1991that osso-product info -s is in the cssu mp already
17:20.45merlin1991it sets to 1.3 all the time
17:21.02DocScrutinizernope CSSU Tuner is in settings
17:21.15merlin1991cssu tuner provides that too afaik
17:21.20DocScrutinizerand actually it's been that one that really works and doesn't look bad
17:22.04DocScrutinizerLOL
17:22.19fw190cssu tuner isn't maintained anymore
17:22.52DocScrutinizerdamn, so what we gonna do about that now? start mainaining it again, maybe? ;-)
17:23.16fw190well Saturn is maintaining his app
17:23.24DocScrutinizereven I could maintain such a simple thing
17:23.33merlin1991we should think about a proper applet for settings in cssu anyway
17:23.43merlin1991makes no sense to depend on outside application
17:23.45fw190I'm just saying nothing more
17:23.59merlin1991maybe get Saturn on board
17:24.15merlin1991fw190: what's Saturns app called?
17:24.43DocScrutinizerduh, it's a PITA! REALLY!
17:25.21DocScrutinizerCSSU Tuner // transitions tweaker // random other crap, I'm lost on where to look for what :-/
17:25.34fw190CSSU features
17:25.58fw190that is Saturns app
17:26.34DocScrutinizerthat is the one that bitches and never works here
17:26.55fw190hmm it works for me since the beginning
17:27.03DocScrutinizerthe one in power button menu
17:27.13fw190yes
17:27.15fw190that is the one
17:27.26merlin1991DocScrutinizer: compare your /usr/share/hildon_desktop/transisions.ini with /usr/share/hildon-desktop/tansistions.ini.dpkgsomething
17:27.47merlin1991you probably find some more settings in the thp_tweaks section in the latter
17:27.47DocScrutinizertransitions.ini doesn't have all the expected options! fix? abort?
17:28.05merlin1991DocScrutinizer: we don't update the transistions.ini on upgrade
17:28.16merlin1991so newly introduced options have to be included by hand / app
17:28.26DocScrutinizersure
17:28.42DocScrutinizerjust saying CSSU Features never really worked for me
17:28.45merlin1991and I guess you did upgrade from cssu x to cssu y at some point
17:28.54DocScrutinizeryep
17:29.11DocScrutinizerand obviously this app did *not*
17:29.45merlin1991eeh maybe the app did but your init didn't
17:29.58merlin1991s/init/ini/
17:30.06DocScrutinizerand I guess "not all the options" is just a nice way to say "not the set of options I could deal with" I.E. too many options
17:30.31merlin1991fw190: are you on current cssu?
17:30.40fw190yes
17:30.50merlin1991does the features app work ?
17:30.55merlin1991without warning?
17:31.42fw190it only pops out: thr current configuration is shown and I can change anything
17:32.14DocScrutinizerno matter if it works or not, please get that crap out of my powerbutton menu and into settings where it belongs
17:32.17DocScrutinizer;-)
17:32.32merlin1991DocScrutinizer:  you can always uninstall ;)
17:32.39fw190you can take it out from the power menu- there is an option to set it off
17:32.45DocScrutinizerwon't move it to settings
17:32.48fw190and it stays in the apps
17:33.18DocScrutinizerwhere's that option?
17:33.46DocScrutinizerin the settings page I can't reach due to "not all the expected options are there" ?
17:34.48fw190when you launch the app it is in (don't now how to call it) menu- form the CSSU features configuration up on the screen
17:34.48merlin1991just get rid of it then doc, it doesn't seem like you're going to use it anyway
17:35.19merlin1991Sicelo: I've updated the testrepo with a new mp, should fix the version number
17:36.10merlin1991okay lets get back ot, other suggestions for T18?
17:36.35MohammadAGAre we having a meeting this week
17:36.44DocScrutinizerYES SIR
17:36.47DocScrutinizerlol
17:36.54DocScrutinizerwelcome MohammadAG
17:37.13merlin1991MohammadAG: we're having since 30 min :D
17:37.24merlin1991or rather we're talking bs waiting for you :P
17:37.32DocScrutinizerhehehe
17:38.20merlin1991MohammadAG: I've reached X-Fade today an he said he'll need to see about the update part
17:38.23DocScrutinizer"Alle Updates installiert" \o/ 666.6MB HARM updates
17:38.38MohammadAGthat 666.6 is annoying
17:38.48merlin1991also I need you to nod here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12497
17:38.48MohammadAGso's today's date
17:38.49povbotBug 12497: Maemo 5 Community SSU needs field to distinguish between stable and testing
17:39.11DocScrutinizermy friend married today, the fool
17:39.30DocScrutinizerobviousl ybecause of the date
17:39.51merlin1991stupid skyrim ads with 11.11.11 were all over the place here
17:39.57merlin1991but whatever back to cssu :D
17:40.18DocScrutinizerwho's going to nod there, I already said "good call" when you posted it here :-)
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17:40.37MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I've heard of 10 marriages today
17:40.48merlin1991DocScrutinizer: nod there is needed for andrew
17:40.57DocScrutinizerooh, really
17:40.58MohammadAGI nodded
17:41.00DocScrutinizerk, bbl
17:41.01merlin1991I've got stable so far that we could upload it after Sicelo me my sister and hopefully someone else ahs tested for some time
17:41.10MohammadAGand borked the iPhone - again
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17:41.48merlin1991Sicelo_: I've uploaded a new metapackge, update in ham should fix your version number
17:42.04MohammadAGnew hwat?
17:42.05MohammadAGwhat
17:42.12Sicelo_will test and report
17:42.30DocScrutinizerwhere's the damnit "vote for this bug" button?
17:42.33merlin1991MohammadAG: the stable repo resides on a test server @ http://87.106.163.159/maemo/community/
17:42.58MohammadAGoh nice, we launched a testing stable :P
17:43.10merlin1991I've been ironing out packaging and stuff last few days
17:43.42merlin1991when it's proven to work for some days or so and X-Fade has give me a way to upload to maemo.org we can release to the wild
17:43.47Sicelo_merlin1991: if i want to use apt? ...
17:44.13merlin1991apt-get update apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr
17:44.16merlin1991dsmetool -b
17:44.27merlin1991Sicelo_: ^^
17:44.43DocScrutinizernodded
17:44.44Sicelo_thanks :)
17:45.50merlin1991MohammadAG: how's testing v 17 coming along?
17:45.58DocScrutinizerSicelo_: NB you need a "clean" PR1.3(.1)
17:46.18merlin1991DocScrutinizer: he's fine
17:46.23Sicelo_i'm already 'dirty'
17:46.28MohammadAGmerlin1991, just got the SMS lol
17:46.34MohammadAGmerlin1991, I think it's stable
17:46.34merlin1991wtf took that long?
17:46.35merlin1991lmao
17:46.40MohammadAGmerlin1991, no, I bricked my iPhone
17:46.43merlin1991:D
17:46.45MohammadAGprimary phone, sorry :p
17:47.01DocScrutinizermerlin1991: I found wmo cssu-S pages aren't indexed/linked
17:47.17merlin1991DocScrutinizer: huh?
17:48.09merlin1991srly turn of your bot scripts doc
17:48.13DocScrutinizerno sub-index for CSSU, no place where you'd find the URL to CSSU-Stable_features and *changelog
17:48.28merlin1991that's intentional
17:48.47merlin1991should only get indexed linked when we release it
17:48.52DocScrutinizerk
17:49.00DocScrutinizerjust felt to mention it
17:49.56DocScrutinizerAAAAH :-)
17:50.06DocScrutinizeredit-lock for homescreens
17:51.13DocScrutinizer^^^ feature for cssu-T18
17:51.24merlin1991exists
17:51.29DocScrutinizerwhere?
17:51.51merlin1991ah wait sorry
17:51.56merlin1991does not exist
17:52.15DocScrutinizeryes, that's exactly what I said as well
17:52.24DocScrutinizer:-)
17:53.14merlin1991MohammadAG: when do you think will we get testing-17?
17:56.29DocScrutinizer:-S
17:56.58merlin1991that's one thing online meetings lack, the chance to actually force an answer by looking at people .P
17:57.26fw190good one ;)
17:58.50merlin1991Sicelo_: did the version number work out?
18:00.11DocScrutinizertwiddles thumbs
18:00.17Sicelo_haven't tested yet. bad connection. will test witihn an hour,
18:00.35merlin1991no stress, it only sounded like you'd test straight away :)
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18:01.11DocScrutinizerwatches his beard grow
18:01.22merlin1991MohammadAG: hello?
18:02.22DocScrutinizerfor next Friday we'll get a topics list, to make this session a bit more efficient
18:02.33DocScrutinizerpretty please
18:02.50Sicelo+1
18:03.00MohammadAGmerlin1991, tonight hopefully
18:03.07MohammadAGor tomorrow morning
18:03.08merlin1991awesome
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18:03.25MohammadAGmerlin1991, they also lack fan donations
18:03.33MohammadAGby fan I meant physical CPU fans
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18:03.56MohammadAGwhat did you change? :P
18:04.13DocScrutinizernuttin
18:04.25DocScrutinizergoes shave his beard
18:04.58merlin1991MohammadAG one thing left, how are we goign todo the version numbers now?
18:05.53merlin1991DocScrutinizer: you're expecting too much mags cpu fan ;)
18:06.20merlin1991s/too much/too much of/
18:06.24MohammadAGmerlin1991, I'm still not sure
18:06.28MohammadAGV17 will be version 1
18:06.35MohammadAGof the new update number/string
18:06.54DocScrutinizer51cool
18:06.57DocScrutinizer51+1
18:07.34merlin1991the mp on the test server is Installed: 21.2011.38-1Smaemo0.5
18:07.57merlin1991so either you call yours accordingly 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo1
18:08.01merlin1991or we do the epoch thing
18:08.06merlin1991but we do should decide that
18:09.14merlin1991and since it's meeting time I'd say it's the perfect time todo so
18:12.19DocScrutinizer51don't mess with epoch, my 2 eurocent
18:14.08merlin1991epoch in theory is meant to fix broken versioning
18:14.23DocScrutinizer51I don't see why we'd need to bother about it anyway
18:14.24merlin1991so you can "start over" when you've published a mess
18:15.03MohammadAGscrew epochs, for one reason
18:15.08MohammadAGQt already uses 1:
18:15.49merlin1991btw that S / T thingy only applies to the mp
18:16.36merlin1991all the other packages are importet 1:1 from testing when considered stable
18:16.43DocScrutinizer51the 2 repos are segregate anyway
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18:17.10merlin1991ah yeah when you update your mp, don't forget to change the posinst
18:17.18DocScrutinizer51so no problems with version num whatsoever
18:17.18merlin1991*postinst*
18:17.59merlin1991that too
18:18.24merlin1991okay conclusion 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo1 will be new testing - 17
18:18.53merlin1991I'm waiting for X-Fade and some days and then stable will go live
18:19.09MohammadAGpostinst?
18:19.12MohammadAGchange it to what?
18:19.19merlin1991the pr 1.3.1 release
18:19.46merlin1991the call to osso-product-info writes pr1.3 version number
18:20.04merlin1991but testing will be based of 1.3.1 since we include everything 1.3.1 updates
18:22.27merlin1991the new string is RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_MR0'
18:25.42DocScrutinizerfigures "DUH! cssu stable is newer version than testing!1!!1! Get dis cool new shit, tis hot !" and rotfls
18:29.54merlin1991okay I'm out
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18:42.18Sicelomerlin1991: yes, version string correct now. (if only i knew dsmetool -b would reboot)
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20:46.04Maceris the release done?
20:46.14Maceri have to reflash anyways
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21:16.05DocScrutinizerMacer: there's a cssu-S test version, on a semi-nonpunlic repo
21:16.25DocScrutinizerhttp://87.106.163.159/maemo/community/
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21:17.32DocScrutinizeractually http://87.106.163.159/maemo/community/community-fremantle.install
21:17.47Maceri see. ok. i have to reflash :-(
21:18.10Macermessed up my n900 because fmtx wasnt working
21:18.13DocScrutinizerit's a TEST version!
21:18.19DocScrutinizerof Stable
21:18.27Macerso i wanted to go back using backup menu
21:18.44Macera testing stable :-)
21:18.59Macerhow oxymoronic
21:19.03DocScrutinizeryup :-)
21:19.31Macerwell... once the ups guy pops up i will try it
21:19.49Maceris there a way to flash it or is it a pr1.3 upgrade?
21:20.11DocScrutinizerthat's a repository to upgrade from a clean PR1.3
21:20.22Macerok. so i need 1.3?
21:20.25DocScrutinizeryes
21:20.34Macerno straight flash
21:20.38DocScrutinizerno
21:20.48Maceris it outside the lic to make an img?
21:20.56Macerfor a straight flash?
21:21.29DocScrutinizerCSSU is never been meant to be a complete system/distro, it's a supplementary repo to ship fixes to stock PR
21:22.08Maceri see
21:22.15DocScrutinizerand we generally don't ship (C)nok blobs anyway
21:23.28Macerwell. i will try the testing stable later :-)
21:23.39Maceri have to reflash anyways
21:23.46Macerbackupmenu made things worse
21:23.54Macer:-( what a let down
21:24.28Maceri was like... ok. i messed it up beyond a simple repair.... let me rewimd with backupmenu
21:24.40Macergreat.... now it just keeps rebooting
21:24.54Maceri am guessing backupmenu does not replace the kernel
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22:23.53nealdoes the cssu include a kernel?
22:23.59nealif so, can we include the patch mentioned here:
22:24.03nealhttp://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/n900_microsd_card_i-o_errors_and_corruption/
22:24.21nealI just encountered the same error.
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22:29.07NIN102no the CSSU does not include a kernel
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22:53.17Palineal: this patch is included in kernel-power
22:57.57Macerdoes the power kernel have fmtx issues?
22:58.37Maceri guess i will find out in a minute after i reflash everything
22:58.46Macerbackupmenu totally failed me
23:03.14Palikernel-power v49 has fmtx patch which can lock and/or unlock power level
23:50.12DocScrutinizerpali: wut?
23:50.39DocScrutinizerlock/unlocj kernel - whats that?
23:55.21DocScrutinizerI can't figure a kernel patch that unlocks a FOSS kernel

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