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| 09:31.05 | homma | Hello, I accidentally triggered a small yellow square called Plasma note on the desktop when I was using KDE today. This applet will now start automatically every time it is booted. How can I prevent it from starting automatically? Any suggestions will be appreciated. |
| 09:31.55 | rindolf | homma: hi |
| 09:32.16 | homma | My battery has 18% charge left |
| 09:32.38 | homma | rindolf nice to meet you |
| 09:33.29 | rindolf | homma: it should be under ~/.config/ i think (but don't delete it) |
| 09:34.24 | homma | Let me find out. Thank you |
| 09:35.37 | rindolf | homma: you can try using the bisection method: https://github.com/shlomif/Freenode-programming-channel-FAQ/blob/master/FAQ_with_ToC__generated.md#what-does-bisecting-mean |
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| 09:37.47 | homma | rindolf Unfortunately, my place is forbidden to access github |
| 09:38.15 | homma | thanks anyway |
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| 09:39.19 | reiddragon | homma: why? what places would ban GitHub? |
| 09:40.27 | homma | When I noticed this fact, I was very depressed. |
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| 09:41.27 | reiddragon | homma: can you maybe connect to GitHub via tor or a VPN maybe? |
| 09:41.31 | reiddragon | or are those banned too? |
| 09:41.34 | rindolf | homma: ok, can you access https://paste.debian.net/ ? |
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| 09:42.14 | homma | yes, but it's illegal |
| 09:42.25 | rindolf | homma: illegal? |
| 09:42.35 | reiddragon | homma: are you in China? |
| 09:42.38 | homma | yes |
| 09:42.41 | reiddragon | RIP |
| 09:43.24 | reiddragon | the Great Firewall sure is a pain in the butt |
| 09:44.05 | homma | yeah |
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| 09:44.54 | rindolf | homma: «What does "bisecting" mean? |
| 09:44.54 | rindolf | There is a wikipedia page that details the VCS technique, but it has a more general utility. |
| 09:44.54 | rindolf | As the old joke goes: "How do you find a lion in the desert? You split the desert into two halfs, and the lion is in either one. Then you split the half with the lion into two quarters, and so on until you find the lion-sized fraction of the area with the lion." You can apply this to many problems, e.g by gradually moving away or temporarily removing configuration files or directives until you pinpoint the |
| 09:44.54 | rindolf | problem.» |
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| 09:45.48 | reiddragon | rinfolf: so basically a binary search but more generalized |
| 09:46.16 | rindolf | reiddragon: kinda, yes |
| 09:46.21 | homma | rindolf Is a very meaningful joke |
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| 09:48.22 | rindolf | reiddragon: there is a math technique too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisection_method |
| 09:48.40 | homma | But not all places are banned from accessing GItHub |
| 09:48.52 | homma | wikipedia is banned too |
| 09:49.01 | reiddragon | that's kinda to be expected |
| 09:49.09 | reiddragon | Wikipedia is full of information that's banned in China |
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| 09:49.38 | homma | Happened in recent years |
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| 09:49.49 | rindolf | homma: do you mean that i am a joke or that that joke i wrote is meaningful? |
| 09:50.24 | reiddragon | I think the joke is meaningful |
| 09:50.29 | reiddragon | and just dropped the : |
| 09:53.06 | rindolf | reiddragon: i was told they block most sites with user-generated content |
| 09:53.15 | reiddragon | damn |
| 09:53.17 | reiddragon | that's agressive |
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| 09:54.26 | reiddragon | ok now that he's gone I can talk shit about the CCP w/o getting homma in trouble |
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| 09:54.39 | reiddragon | unless there are other people here connected from within China |
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| 09:55.36 | rindolf | reiddragon: he briefly returned |
| 09:55.53 | reiddragon | ye, saw that |
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| 14:30.29 | besconix-M | æ¦å§«: thank you |
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| 17:14.40 | pedahzur | I have a really strange one. I recently upgraded to KMail 5.13.3. I have a POP account that had (and still has) the "Destination folder" as "Local Folders/EEI/inbox." However, e-mail from that POP account is going to "Local Folders/<a different tree>/inbox." It's really odd, because 1) I can still use the folder into which it's supposed to be going, and 2) It's odd it found another "inbox" folder. I even reselected the folder into which |
| 17:14.42 | pedahzur | the POP messages are supposed to be going, and it's still going into the wrong folder. Ideas? |
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| 17:44.42 | mattfly | Why my restore from tabs isn't working anymore for konsole? It just hangs and no window comes. Is there a way konsole can display logs/output ? (verbose) |
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| 17:50.39 | pedahzur | AGGGH!!! I deleted the POP account, and created it again, set the Destination folder to Local Folders/EEI/inbox and mail is STILL going to the wrong folder. WHAT IS GOING ON!?!?! |
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| 17:58.42 | mphojele | Chill and file a bug. |
| 18:06.09 | Bitterblue | mattfly: Start it from xterm or something. |
| 18:06.17 | Bitterblue | Maybe. |
| 18:06.30 | mattfly | I did it Bitterblue |
| 18:06.44 | mattfly | konsole --tabs-from-file ~/.konsole/current-tabs |
| 18:06.54 | mattfly | it just hangs and never loads up or shows any error |
| 18:07.03 | mattfly | and it was working before |
| 18:09.21 | mphojele | pedahzur: https://techbase.kde.org/KDE_PIM/Akonadi/Development_Tools |
| 18:13.33 | pedahzur | mphojele: Thanks. I've dug around in Akonadi console, and haven't found anything useful. I'll keep digging. It's so frustrating. Now...I removed the account and re-added it, and it's still doing the same thing. Removed it again, and added it in akonadi console, and it's complaining that the server isn't defined, even though it is. Also, it always displays "POP-3 Account" even though I've set the account name in the config. SIIIIIIGH! |
| 18:13.35 | pedahzur | KMail used to be so reliable. |
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| 18:28.29 | alexherbo2 | Bitterblue: the config files seems to be auto-generated and not suitable for manual edit / versionning. |
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| 18:29.24 | Bitterblue | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 18:29.44 | alexherbo2 | it could be nice to have config formats in yaml or toml |
| 18:29.54 | alexherbo2 | like for Alacritty or Broot |
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| 18:41.32 | pedahzur | AGGH!! Steps: Settings -> Accounts -> Receiving -> Add... -> Custom Account -> Define all the settings (user/host/password). Go to check mail. Prompts for user & password. Then tells me "Unknown host : Host not found" It appears the host is blank...even though it shows up when I look at the config. Also, when I create the account, it defaults to the wrong inbox file, even though I haven't specified one yet. |
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| 18:45.51 | pedahzur | But when I Add -> Add Mail Account, I get the same wrong behavior (will not properly set the account name, goes to the wrong inbox, etc) |
| 18:45.59 | mphojele | pedahzur: i remember once removing an account via akonadi console, it removes everything about the account, best to reboot after that and retry adding the account. I'm not a kde dev nor am I still using kmail |
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| 18:46.41 | pedahzur | mphojele: Thanks. I am about to boot KMail. This is just the latest in a LOOONG string of frustrations. So sad. I used to like KMail so much. |
| 18:49.56 | mphojele | I'm sensing your emotions on a high, maybe take a break from it and try to really think about what you could try, e.g has changed in kmail. I'd go to a vm and try an older release |
| 18:50.28 | mphojele | If I were in your situation |
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| 18:51.53 | pedahzur | mphojele: Thanks. Going with an older version in VM doesn't really work for a daily thing. When I upgraded from Kubuntu 18.04 to 20.04, the new version came with it. I'm stepping through the account creation steps, setting the things how they should be (mail server, destination folder, etc), but it still isn't applying the settings as I set them. :( |
| 18:53.03 | mphojele | The vm is for reproducing the bug, just so you feel justified for venting |
| 18:53.10 | pedahzur | ah |
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| 18:54.00 | pedahzur | Where is the config for resources? I can't seem to find it on disk, nor in the DB...but I could be looking in the wrong places. :) |
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| 18:55.36 | pedahzur | mphojele: I might be able to reproduce the account creation bug...but I don't know if I'd be able to reproduce the "Destination folder" bug, since my huge e-mail local folder tree wouldn't be there. :) |
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| 18:58.06 | mphojele | In your home somewhere, if I remember correctly .local/share. Look at the kmail/mysql/akonadi command in ksystem monitor(it'll show a huge tooltip when hovering over the command), I believe it'll give you a clue on the directory it fetches stuff from |
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| 19:00.05 | mphojele | pedahzur: you can share folders with vms, I know it's a long stretch but go with any alternative idea you got. |
| 19:00.53 | pedahzur | Ah, true. I'll have to try that. |
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| 19:06.03 | pedahzur | I've found .config/akonadi, and it has references to the resources, but not all the information. .local/share/akonadi has a bunch of stuff, but it's all logs and mysql databases. Still trying to figure out where in the DB it might store this information. :) Nothing helpful in .config/kmail2rc either. :) |
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| 19:09.21 | mphojele | You are calm now |
| 19:09.28 | pedahzur | heh |
| 19:10.15 | mphojele | What info is missing from the configs you looked at? |
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| 19:11.43 | pedahzur | server, user, password, destination folder, etc. Even the accounts that are working are missing that information, so apparently it's stored elsewhere. |
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| 19:13.05 | sigNeon | anyone currently use Kmail with Gmail or Proton mail? |
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| 19:14.01 | sigNeon | decided I'd try it since it looks and sounds good but get the following errors: "Could not start the import wizard. Please make sure you have ImportWizard properly installed." ?? |
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| 19:15.23 | mphojele | <sigNeon "decided I'd try it since it look"> You get that error when you do what exactly? |
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| 19:18.28 | sigNeon | when it starts |
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| 19:21.25 | mphojele | Kmail comes with a lot of stuff like importwizard sieve editor ( I'm not sure if they are direct dependencies). Basically that doesn't affect whether you'll be able to have gmail or proton with it. Since it wants the importwizard you might as well install that first |
| 19:23.02 | sigNeon | yeah just saw it has a TON of optional junk |
| 19:23.09 | sigNeon | I think I'll just stick with what I have |
| 19:23.31 | sigNeon | thought I'd just consolidate it all to one spot but I don't think it'll work |
| 19:26.05 | mphojele | Another's junk is another's treasure |
| 19:26.08 | parsec1 | hey guys. im having a strange behavioural problem accross all my kde devices. Whenever i log in, even on a fresh installed debian, the kde is hung. I need to switch to a tty and back for it to start working. its an easy fix, but still anoying, especialy since it happens on every KDE install. |
| 19:26.36 | sigNeon | mphojele: heh, true |
| 19:26.45 | sigNeon | I might give it a shot here in a bit when I have more time. |
| 19:26.53 | sigNeon | just need to consolidate proton and gmail |
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| 19:27.17 | sigNeon | what compositor are you using |
| 19:27.50 | parsec1 | wayland |
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| 19:28.56 | mphojele | <sigNeon "just need to consolidate proton "> When searching did you find info that it can work with protonmail? |
| 19:29.00 | sigNeon | are you using sid? |
| 19:29.12 | sigNeon | yeah it will I'm sure |
| 19:29.27 | mattfly | konsole's restore from tabs is almost never working but sometimes randomly works for the same file |
| 19:29.59 | parsec1 | buster |
| 19:30.16 | sigNeon | does X11 do this? |
| 19:30.19 | sigNeon | or have you not tried |
| 19:30.20 | mphojele | sigNeon: once used kmail on fedora with my gmail account, was okay |
| 19:30.24 | sigNeon | I haven't used wayland yet |
| 19:30.36 | sigNeon | mphojele: yeah I just set it up for the gmail side. |
| 19:31.50 | mphojele | parsec1: I know intel i915 has serious gpu issues with kernel 5.4 and newer |
| 19:32.09 | mphojele | Especially newer ones |
| 19:32.16 | parsec1 | those are my productive systems, so i havent really tried installing another window manager as ive just set it up to my liking and it took me a good amount of time. dont want to feck it up with some switcheroo |
| 19:33.50 | mphojele | Were they ever working with kde? |
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| 19:39.14 | sigNeon | mphojele: who wayland? |
| 19:39.17 | JanKusanagi | any particular reason why you don't just use Plasma on X11? |
| 19:39.26 | JanKusanagi | at least try it... |
| 19:39.52 | parsec1 | Well, i could in the future, but the standard sddm package of debian comes with wayland |
| 19:40.18 | mphojele | sigNeon: their productive systems |
| 19:40.29 | sigNeon | I think I read where debian is using wayland as default since they are working closely with the wayland team. |
| 19:40.57 | JanKusanagi | I *highly* doubt Debian defaults to Plasma on Wayland |
| 19:41.10 | JanKusanagi | especially on the "current" Stable |
| 19:41.13 | sigNeon | I think so, I'll find it |
| 19:41.24 | mphojele | Sure you can switch the session on sddm screen |
| 19:42.32 | sigNeon | Aug 10, 2020 - GTK3 and Qt 5 applications using the system libraries should default to Wayland automatically. Some that use statically-linked versions of these ... |
| 19:42.44 | mphojele | Probably the first distro to default to wayland for plasma will be Fedora |
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| 19:42.54 | sigNeon | mphojele: neon |
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| 19:44.05 | mphojele | I use neon, doesn't default to wayland yet |
| 19:44.40 | sigNeon | mphojele: I use that too |
| 19:45.19 | mphojele | I figured, your username gave it away |
| 19:45.30 | sigNeon | after all this time using dolphin, just realized that F4 opens konsole on the bottom portion of dolphin |
| 19:46.02 | sigNeon | well was off this freenode for so long, used to just be "sig" but someone took it after all these years I was away from freenode |
| 19:48.01 | parsec1 | ok, doubt it :) |
| 19:48.09 | mphojele | Plasma's hidden gems, I just started using activities for my school modules, no need to remember where I was after slacking on a module for some weeks |
| 19:50.03 | mphojele | <parsec1 "ok, doubt it :)"> Yee of little faith |
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| 19:51.59 | mphojele | sigNeon: go spam the new sig, reclaim your identity |
| 19:52.06 | sigNeon | heh |
| 19:52.26 | sigNeon | I should see, I've been on another irc server since 2000 and this one off and on for years |
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| 19:55.24 | mphojele | That long?! You must know some commands for kicking someone's ass physically |
| 19:55.56 | sigNeon | hah |
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| 20:03.28 | mphojele | That's the type of dry stuff that comes out the mouth of me preferring matrix bridge for irc |
| 20:04.06 | mphojele | ð¬ |
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