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| 01:07.34 | danieldg | JanKusanagi: agreed, though I do have a small list of things I can't do that would be nice. None of them are quite enough to make me switch back, and hopefully some of them are already fixed in 5.19 :) |
| 01:08.17 | JanKusanagi | there used to be a kind of "showstoppers" list, let me see if I can find it |
| 01:09.04 | danieldg | the only showstopper-level issue that I've run into is activities, but I never used that feature of KDE. It is annoying that it crashes system-settings. |
| 01:13.12 | JanKusanagi | https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland_Showstoppers |
| 01:13.28 | JanKusanagi | not sure how up-to-date that s |
| 01:13.30 | JanKusanagi | is |
| 01:14.00 | JanKusanagi | along with https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland#Issues |
| 01:18.03 | danieldg | "This page was last edited on 11 September 2014" - that one might be a bit out of date |
| 01:18.20 | danieldg | I can confirm at least kscreen works now, having used it :) |
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| 01:24.12 | JanKusanagi | clearly the other one's been used to track progress xD |
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| 04:37.27 | rindolf | Tordek: can you tell which process is invoking it? |
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| 09:48.04 | pikyx-M | in the new dialogue for kWin Application/Window-Specific Rules, how do I set some properties to appear by default? |
| 09:49.00 | pikyx-M | I have to click "Add Properties..." and add the desired property (for example "Virtual Desktop") every single time |
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| 10:03.49 | arsotn | kate 20.04.3 on manjaro doesn't launch at all after update. Any idea why? kate --startanon doesn't help |
| 10:05.56 | swarfega | mine works |
| 10:06.15 | asturm | arsotn: did you already restart your session? |
| 10:06.21 | swarfega | yes |
| 10:06.28 | arsotn | asturm: yes |
| 10:06.43 | arsotn | session as in kate session? |
| 10:06.55 | arsotn | where are they stored? I could try removing them just in case |
| 10:07.31 | asturm | Plasma session. |
| 10:08.18 | arsotn | yes, I rebooted the computer |
| 10:08.22 | asturm | well, probably won't do much if the upgrade was completed successfully |
| 10:08.35 | swarfega | maybe the location changed and its not in the PATH |
| 10:09.02 | arsotn | it's in path |
| 10:09.12 | arsotn | just running it from the command line launches nothing |
| 10:09.16 | arsotn | gives no error either |
| 10:10.01 | arsotn | kwrite works |
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| 10:14.40 | swarfega | have you tried running it directly from the path like /usr/bin/kate |
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| 10:18.32 | arsotn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.36 | arsotn | no error either |
| 10:18.40 | swarfega | try whereis kate |
| 10:18.43 | arsotn | very unlike unix |
| 10:18.53 | asturm | 'unlike unix'? |
| 10:18.54 | arsotn | kate: /usr/bin/kate /usr/include/kate /usr/share/man/man1/kate.1.gz |
| 10:18.58 | arsotn | it's there |
| 10:19.03 | swarfega | yea same as mine |
| 10:19.07 | arsotn | it's just that it doesn't open at all |
| 10:19.10 | swarfega | perhaps uninstall and reinstall it |
| 10:19.14 | arsotn | without giving an error |
| 10:19.54 | arsotn | perhaps uninstall and reinstall it; done, no difference |
| 10:20.03 | swarfega | :/ |
| 10:20.04 | arsotn | which log would kate spit errors to? |
| 10:20.14 | arsotn | I'm severely dissapointed |
| 10:20.19 | arsotn | it was my favorite editor |
| 10:20.29 | swarfega | its mine as well |
| 10:20.35 | arsotn | the fact that I cannot use it after an update in 2020 |
| 10:20.35 | swarfega | strange how its not worked for you |
| 10:20.45 | arsotn | it speaks volumes about the state of linux |
| 10:20.50 | arsotn | you cannot trust it for shit |
| 10:20.52 | swarfega | id ask again later as the experts should be on |
| 10:24.04 | jro-M | <jpfonseca-M "Had the same problem did the sam"> Yes, but I want to understand what it actually does. Why is baloo_file_extractor causing 99.99% disk io for hours and still the number of files to be indexed remains unchanged? What the heck is it doing? Why is it bringing the system to its knees, seemingly for nothing? |
| 10:25.30 | asturm | it is probably hung up on a single file |
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| 10:31.32 | jro-M | <asturm "it is probably hung up on a sing"> ... an continues to cause 99.99% disk io for hours? Indexes the same file over and over? Isn't there some way to /see/ what it actually does? balooctl monitor gives me zero output |
| 10:32.50 | Guest55463 | my regional keyboard doesnt work right |
| 10:33.03 | Guest55463 | am i the only one_ |
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| 10:33.56 | Guest55463 | ? |
| 10:35.49 | Guest55463 | it is configured into settings but nothing |
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| 14:47.55 | wingedrhino | Is there a known memory leak in some of the plasma monitoring widgets that come with KDE? They seem to spike up my CPU usage and the memory consumption of plasma shell goes to pretty high numbers. But killing my network monitor and CPU load / memory monitor reduced the memory consumption of plasma shell from >2GB to 250MB. |
| 14:50.14 | wingedrhino | I'm on Manjaro so I've a fairly recent KDE. |
| 14:50.30 | jankusanagi_ | assuming you're on Plasma 5.19.x, you have the new, reworked monitoring widgets |
| 14:50.39 | jankusanagi_ | which are still a little green in several areas |
| 14:50.48 | jankusanagi_ | so that wouldn't be surprising |
| 14:51.22 | wingedrhino | Yeah the network monitor widget looks different too |
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| 14:52.20 | wingedrhino | But I saw some issues with them even a few months ago. I narrowed down to these two widgets after having a whole lot of them frequently spiked my CPU |
| 14:53.35 | wingedrhino | The memory spikes have been around for a month or so I think |
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| 14:54.56 | wingedrhino | So umm..... KDE stable releases are closer to beta? |
| 14:56.54 | jankusanagi_ | no, Plasma stable releases are stable |
| 14:57.16 | jankusanagi_ | just this one time those reworked widgets should have been introduced in the next version, but still |
| 14:57.40 | jankusanagi_ | Plasma is made by humans after all |
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| 15:01.58 | vidal72-M | hi, after recent kde updates I lost visible icons for some filetypes - for example socket files, .ini files and so on. Is it known refression? |
| 15:02.06 | vidal72-M | *regression |
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| 15:02.51 | jankusanagi_ | what's your iconset? |
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| 15:03.45 | jankusanagi_ | I use Oxygen, and I've noticed that, but only for "socket" files |
| 15:03.59 | vidal72-M | default breeze |
| 15:04.10 | Delvien | I have an SMB share on a server, there are pictures in one of those shares, but thumbnails are only appearing from some of the items. Anyway to fix that? |
| 15:04.45 | Delvien | (using dolphin) |
| 15:05.45 | vidal72-M | I think previously it showed grey "unknown" icon, not there is nothing: white space on white background which doesn't looks good |
| 15:05.50 | Delvien | Nevermind, figured it out |
| 15:06.13 | jankusanagi_ | that's what happens to me with "socket" files, but I don't have any other exampel |
| 15:06.20 | jankusanagi_ | what else do you have without an icon? |
| 15:07.00 | vidal72-M | I notced ".ini" also ".m3u8" |
| 15:07.38 | vidal72-M | ".dic" |
| 15:08.14 | jankusanagi_ | any .ini I can find has a txt icon, since it's recognized as "plain text document" |
| 15:09.00 | jankusanagi_ | .m3u/m3u8 have what I'd consider the correct icon |
| 15:12.07 | vidal72-M | for me it seems when it doesn't know what icon show then it shows no icon, previously it showed "unknown" icon |
| 15:13.15 | vidal72-M | maybe it can match some files to icons depending to system config which could explain our differences |
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| 15:14.17 | vidal72-M | I hope this isn't intended new behaviour |
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| 15:15.03 | vidal72-M | files with no icons are quite distracting :( |
| 15:16.55 | vidal72-M | jankusanagi_: do you know if something like this was reported as bug already? |
| 15:17.27 | jankusanagi_ | no idea |
| 15:17.42 | jankusanagi_ | but I certainly doubt invisible icons are "intended new behaviour" =) |
| 15:18.02 | jankusanagi_ | and I can have files with "unknown icon" |
| 15:18.19 | jankusanagi_ | if I make a 0-byte file, that will have the "unknown type" icon |
| 15:18.50 | jankusanagi_ | have you tried switching to another iconset, applying, and back to yours? |
| 15:19.01 | jankusanagi_ | could be a cache issue; I haven't bothered to try xD |
| 15:19.13 | vidal72-M | jankusanagi_: for empty file works too |
| 15:19.42 | vidal72-M | I mean empty file icon is ok |
| 15:19.58 | vidal72-M | I tried adwaita and same issue |
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| 18:28.12 | [rg] | hi folks, do you know how to set wrapping in the kate editor? |
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| 18:30.36 | jankusanagi_ | line wrapping? |
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| 18:31.28 | jankusanagi_ | we'll never know =) |
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| 18:45.17 | ImNew | hi |
| 18:46.51 | ImNew | anyone oline> |
| 18:46.54 | ImNew | online? |
| 18:47.24 | asturm | many |
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| 18:50.38 | ImNew | hey] |
| 18:50.50 | ImNew | ;] |
| 18:50.57 | ImNew | ;0 |
| 18:51.00 | ImNew | :0 |
| 18:51.03 | ImNew | :) |
| 18:51.10 | ImNew | anyways |
| 18:51.38 | ImNew | what is the system requirements for fedora kde |
| 18:52.04 | asturm | that's a question for #fedora |
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| 18:52.33 | ImNew | kde init? |
| 18:52.53 | asturm | as for KDE Plasma, I had been running it very well on a low-voltage subnotebook from 2008, for good measure |
| 18:53.32 | ImNew | ok |
| 18:53.38 | ImNew | how much ram> |
| 18:53.41 | ImNew | ? |
| 18:53.56 | ImNew | can u tell me its specs? |
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| 18:56.05 | asturm | no PM please. |
| 18:56.29 | asturm | it was an X200s and it ran very well as long as the machine was alive |
| 18:57.04 | jankusanagi_ | I have a 2009 netbook with Plasma, with 1 GiB of RAM |
| 18:57.32 | asturm | jankusanagi_: aw that's cute |
| 18:57.51 | ImNew | ok |
| 18:57.56 | jankusanagi_ | =) |
| 18:58.20 | ImNew | does it still run good? |
| 18:59.11 | ImNew | jankusanagi_ how good does it run... whats ur processor frequency? |
| 18:59.40 | jankusanagi_ | it's a 900MHz celeron, a sad machine even for 2009 netbook standards xD |
| 18:59.48 | jankusanagi_ | Plasma itself runs mostly fine |
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| 19:00.20 | jankusanagi_ | obviously the machine dies if you try to launch any modern browser to do any "modern" WWW stuff, but that's mostly WWW-crap bloat at work =) |
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| 19:02.36 | asturm | yes. the web needs more resources than Plasma |
| 19:03.10 | jankusanagi_ | like 100x or so xD |
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| 19:30.55 | wingedrhino | ImNew: I run KDE on my 2GB Raspberry Pi. Just avoid any widgets that have a graph on them - like file system monitor, CPU monitor, network speed monitor,etc (these alone seem to be CPU hogs) and plasma is VERY thrifty. It has replaced Xfce4 as my desktop of choice for low end systems, if that tells you something! Oh and also disable baloo file search, if you're the type who has dozens of large git repositories cloned in your home folder. |
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| 19:32.28 | wingedrhino | jankusanagi_: is that an Asus eeePC? I was REALLY broke around 2007 and was saving up for one. Good memories :D |
| 19:32.45 | wingedrhino | When someone says 900Mhz Celeron that's the first machine I remember. |
| 19:32.59 | kinghat-M1 | if i go to network -> SMB in dolphin and it does an auto scan it doesnt turn up anything, but if i type in the address `smb://hostname` i get the share to show up. my share has `browseable = yes`. am i doing something wrong here? |
| 19:33.10 | jankusanagi_ | yes, it's an EEE PC, 1000H IIRC |
| 19:33.17 | wingedrhino | Damn! |
| 19:34.07 | wingedrhino | So eventually I couldn't save up enough for one, but I bought a 1GB DDR stick upgrade for my Pentium IV desktop with 256MB of RAM lol |
| 19:34.30 | wingedrhino | My first intro to KDE I think was in 2008 when there was an ArchLinux project called KDEMod. |
| 19:35.07 | wingedrhino | Pre-SystemD, pre-WiFi. Those were simpler days xD |
| 19:36.17 | asturm | wingedrhino: WiFi was invented a few years earlier and standard equipment already |
| 19:36.32 | wingedrhino | asturm: I mean I didn't have to deal with laptops in general |
| 19:36.37 | asturm | heh. |
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| 19:38.52 | wingedrhino | the only thing I miss from back then is Kaffeine. |
| 19:39.36 | asturm | why? it is alive and kicking |
| 19:39.42 | wingedrhino | One of the best media players then. VLC didn't support a lot of codecs, Xine and MPlayer had the w32 codecs loader but Xine was the only one that did DVD menus. |
| 19:39.49 | wingedrhino | asturm: really? |
| 19:40.18 | wingedrhino | asturm: but it isn't based on Xine-UI anymore is it? |
| 19:40.21 | asturm | sure.kaffeine-2.0.18 installed here. |
| 19:40.28 | asturm | not xine-ui no. |
| 19:40.57 | wingedrhino | Err I mean Xine. Not Xine-UI (which was the VERY apt for 2004-2010 physical DVD player lookalike thingy) |
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| 19:49.49 | ImNew | will a 1.6 ghz processor with 3 gb ram work for kubuntu or fedora |
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| 19:52.28 | michaeljo94-M | <ImNew "will a 1.6 ghz processor with 3 "> depends on workload. Should work, but limited. |
| 19:52.47 | ImNew | just some web browsing |
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| 19:53.35 | asturm | a modern 1.6ghz processor, sure. a P3, no. |
| 19:53.58 | asturm | and that's strictly talking about web browsing |
| 19:55.01 | ImNew | whats a p3? |
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| 20:00.00 | jankusanagi_ | Pentium III |
| 20:00.04 | jankusanagi_ | I'll assume =) |
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| 20:00.46 | wingedrhino | Never seen a Pentium III with 3GB RAM though lol |
| 20:01.33 | jankusanagi_ | it's in the realm of possibility |
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| 20:01.43 | ImNew | i have an amd e350 |
| 20:01.44 | asturm | indeed |
| 20:01.48 | ImNew | dual core |
| 20:01.53 | ImNew | with 3gb raam |
| 20:01.55 | ImNew | ram |
| 20:01.56 | wingedrhino | ImNew: it'll run like a charm lol |
| 20:02.10 | ImNew | the latest kde? |
| 20:02.16 | wingedrhino | ImNew: yup the latest. |
| 20:02.24 | ImNew | with fedora or kubuntu |
| 20:02.30 | wingedrhino | I'm running the latest KDE on a 1.5GHz ARM CPU and 2GB of RAM |
| 20:02.39 | ImNew | fedora.. |
| 20:02.43 | asturm | as we said, web browsing is your enemy. not Plasma. |
| 20:03.00 | ImNew | yeah |
| 20:03.09 | ImNew | pretty common tho |
| 20:03.29 | ImNew | what is the idle ram usage> |
| 20:03.30 | ImNew | ? |
| 20:03.48 | wingedrhino | ImNew: Need to check again, but it was under 200MB on my Pi |
| 20:04.12 | ImNew | so its lighter than xfce? |
| 20:04.19 | wingedrhino | They're kinda at par |
| 20:04.28 | wingedrhino | Okay KDE DOES get heavier if you WANT it to be |
| 20:04.32 | xmorph | 2.1GB of ram used right now with firefox and konversation runing |
| 20:04.50 | ImNew | how light is fedora kde on idle |
| 20:04.56 | ImNew | the latest one |
| 20:05.00 | wingedrhino | ImNew: you should ask in #fedora |
| 20:05.00 | ImNew | plasma |
| 20:05.08 | ImNew | no resonpse |
| 20:05.09 | wingedrhino | Because I don't know what Fedora comes with |
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| 20:05.12 | ImNew | response |
| 20:05.22 | ImNew | what about kubuntu |
| 20:05.34 | asturm | look, the newer Plasma version you choose, the better. |
| 20:05.40 | wingedrhino | I'm on Manjaro lol |
| 20:05.47 | ImNew | ok |
| 20:05.54 | wingedrhino | Wait I have Kubuntu on the other laptop but it isn't open now |
| 20:06.00 | wingedrhino | They're all thrifty |
| 20:06.03 | ImNew | plz thanks |
| 20:06.13 | ImNew | plz tell me how they do |
| 20:06.27 | ImNew | is kde good for linux beginners? |
| 20:07.02 | wingedrhino | ImNew: yes it is. You |
| 20:07.05 | wingedrhino | will be fine |
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| 20:07.20 | ImNew | which kde distro should i download? |
| 20:07.28 | ImNew | lightest if u may |
| 20:07.36 | wingedrhino | The lightness is all equal. |
| 20:07.49 | wingedrhino | But if you are new, I recommend Kubuntu or Manjaro KDE |
| 20:07.53 | ImNew | what should i go with? |
| 20:07.54 | wingedrhino | Kubuntu is better if you ask for help on IRC |
| 20:07.57 | ImNew | ok |
| 20:08.04 | wingedrhino | Manjaro KDE has a lovely forum to ask questions on |
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| 20:08.08 | xmorph | Gentoo :D |
| 20:08.12 | asturm | ^ obviously |
| 20:08.14 | wingedrhino | xmorph: lol stop it |
| 20:08.17 | malik | lol |
| 20:08.19 | wingedrhino | guy's new to LInux |
| 20:08.43 | ImNew | i have downloaded mint cinnamon 20, fedora 32 gnome and am gonna download kubuntu |
| 20:08.43 | xmorph | wingedrhino: but, on gentoo he can create that light KDE environment :D just kidding |
| 20:08.45 | wingedrhino | I'd recommend KDE on Gentoo/FreeBSD :p |
| 20:09.14 | asturm | where's that reddit post I can show you... |
| 20:09.17 | jankusanagi_ | we really need to come up with a better term than "web browsing", asturm =) |
| 20:09.25 | ImNew | how customizable is kde? |
| 20:09.34 | wingedrhino | ImNew: VERY customizable |
| 20:09.36 | ImNew | in comparison to gnome and cinnamon |
| 20:09.39 | jankusanagi_ | since it's no longer "browsing", rather "getting deep into the ugly WWW applications mud" xD |
| 20:09.46 | asturm | indeed |
| 20:09.46 | jankusanagi_ | KDE is people |
| 20:09.53 | jankusanagi_ | Plasma Desktop is very customizable =) |
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| 20:09.53 | wingedrhino | KDE is easier to use than Gnome |
| 20:10.00 | ImNew | ok |
| 20:10.05 | wingedrhino | ImNew: you have an Android phone? |
| 20:10.06 | jankusanagi_ | again, people |
| 20:10.07 | ImNew | gonna download it rn |
| 20:10.09 | ImNew | yes |
| 20:10.13 | asturm | ImNew: you tell Plasma how it works, Gnome tells you how you work |
| 20:10.16 | wingedrhino | ImNew: you'll LOVE KDE Connect. |
| 20:10.16 | jankusanagi_ | using people is wrong, not nice =) |
| 20:10.25 | xmorph | Gnome3 is the worst DE i have ever used. Im linux user for 12 years now. |
| 20:10.25 | wingedrhino | You can browse files on your phone via WiFi |
| 20:10.32 | ImNew | wow |
| 20:10.45 | ImNew | kde is really good then |
| 20:10.47 | wingedrhino | ImNew: you also get notifications from your phone on KDE |
| 20:10.53 | PacmanPleb-M | Is it just me or does locking my screen in Plasma kill my GUI? |
| 20:10.59 | makr8100 | and kdeconnect can send/read sms, although I prefer messages.google.com to do that one |
| 20:11.03 | ImNew | what about mint cinnamon 20? |
| 20:11.18 | ImNew | how good is it comparing to kde? |
| 20:11.25 | wingedrhino | makr8100: yeah but you can also reply to notiifications on ANY app on KDE |
| 20:11.36 | xmorph | ImNew: KDE is the most complete desktop environment (i think) |
| 20:11.50 | wingedrhino | ImNew: KDE is the only desktop environment that doesn't feel like a toy |
| 20:11.59 | wingedrhino | And which isn't ugly |
| 20:11.59 | ImNew | nice |
| 20:12.12 | xmorph | and it has a kitchen sink :) |
| 20:12.18 | makr8100 | kdeconnect took ~2 years after its initail release to support sms due to limitations of the os and permissions... took a little bit to crack it |
| 20:12.21 | ImNew | can you change it to look very similar to mac os? |
| 20:12.31 | wingedrhino | ImNew: KDE has an app that lets you time your tea brewing |
| 20:12.33 | asturm | wingedrhino: here it is: https://www.reddit.com/r/Gentoo/comments/hfre5h/thank_you_gentoo/ |
| 20:12.38 | wingedrhino | And I'm not even joking |
| 20:12.39 | makr8100 | e23 is good if you're not new, so don't use it ImNew lol |
| 20:12.58 | wingedrhino | ImNew: Errr.... MacOS is ugly |
| 20:12.58 | ImNew | e23? |
| 20:13.05 | ImNew | quick flex |
| 20:13.07 | makr8100 | enlightenment wm, version 23 |
| 20:13.55 | wingedrhino | ImNew: KDE is easier to use than mac os. trust me, I've had to debug code on friends' mac laptops. |
| 20:14.12 | ImNew | which distro should i go for then? |
| 20:14.12 | makr8100 | The short answer is if you have enough resources to run Plasma then do so |
| 20:14.17 | wingedrhino | ImNew: Kubuntu! |
| 20:14.25 | makr8100 | opensuse |
| 20:14.29 | ImNew | is 3 gb comfortable |
| 20:14.37 | wingedrhino | ImNew: yes 3GB is more than enough for Kubuntu |
| 20:14.37 | makr8100 | or kubuntu *insert eye roll here* |
| 20:14.37 | ImNew | i might expland later |
| 20:15.07 | jankusanagi_ | which distro? Mageia, or course =) |
| 20:15.08 | makr8100 | 3gb will work great except for browsers being resource hogs |
| 20:15.21 | wingedrhino | makr8100: not if you use firefox :p |
| 20:15.30 | makr8100 | wrong channel to ask distro opinions, you'll get a dozen |
| 20:15.38 | asturm | my distro is best distro |
| 20:15.43 | ImNew | i have no other choice |
| 20:15.54 | wingedrhino | makr8100: I usually answer Kubuntu on IRC because it is the only one with an active IRC help community lol |
| 20:15.54 | ImNew | to ask anywhere else |
| 20:16.06 | wingedrhino | you can redirect people to #kubuntu anyday |
| 20:16.09 | ImNew | so imma download kubuntu |
| 20:16.14 | ImNew | good choice? |
| 20:16.16 | makr8100 | ubuntu and variants are very user-friendly and well documented, opensuse is my preference. it's also very user-friendly and almost as well documented |
| 20:16.19 | ImNew | or fedora kde? |
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| 20:16.31 | wingedrhino | ImNew: Avoid Fedora if you're new. |
| 20:16.35 | ImNew | ok |
| 20:16.47 | makr8100 | opensuse vs ubuntu communities are comparable as far as irc and forum activity |
| 20:16.52 | wingedrhino | Unless you work for a cloud services company that deals with CentOS servers. But if you did you wouldn't be asking here lol |
| 20:17.07 | makr8100 | agreed, avoid fedora to start |
| 20:17.08 | ImNew | so i will download kubuntu 20.04 lts |
| 20:17.11 | ImNew | okk? |
| 20:17.14 | xmorph | I think that *ubuntu are bloated |
| 20:17.17 | wingedrhino | makr8100: he'll want to install <obscure app 003> that only comes packaged as rpm |
| 20:17.24 | wingedrhino | *deb |
| 20:17.25 | wingedrhino | oops |
| 20:17.41 | wingedrhino | ImNew: yes Kubuntu 20.04 LTS is what you should get. |
| 20:17.46 | ImNew | ok |
| 20:17.52 | wingedrhino | ImNew: do you have IRC on your phone? |
| 20:17.56 | ImNew | no |
| 20:17.59 | makr8100 | there are some obscure apps that are packaged .deb and others that are packaged .rpm |
| 20:18.18 | ImNew | im 16 go easy on me |
| 20:18.35 | wingedrhino | ImNew: lol its okay. I was 16 when I installed linux :-) |
| 20:18.43 | wingedrhino | I had 256MB of RAM |
| 20:19.12 | makr8100 | you can't go wrong with kubuntu or opensuse tbh - ubuntu has silghtly better docs and opensuse has a better sysconfig tool and package manager (package manager claim based on opinion, other 2 are fact) |
| 20:19.20 | wingedrhino | ImNew: install an IRC client on your phone. You can login to Freenode and join #kubuntu for help DURING install |
| 20:19.31 | ImNew | ok |
| 20:20.11 | wingedrhino | makr8100: I'm supposed to install OpenSuSE for a project lol. I'm trying to document how easy audio production software are to use on various distros |
| 20:20.12 | ImNew | thanks for your support guys, appreciate it! |
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| 20:20.39 | ImNew | imma leave so kubuntu can download quicker |
| 20:20.47 | ImNew | thanks guys! |
| 20:20.52 | wingedrhino | Bye ImNew |
| 20:20.54 | makr8100 | glhf |
| 20:21.15 | makr8100 | wingedrhino: once the initial install is done they should work the same... lol |
| 20:21.18 | wingedrhino | asturm: were you one of those guys who'd tell people back in 2010 to install Sabayon? :p |
| 20:21.26 | asturm | no. |
| 20:21.28 | wingedrhino | makr8100: I meant more about availability of obscure plugins |
| 20:21.43 | asturm | in general I avoid making distro recommendations |
| 20:21.45 | wingedrhino | And how frequently you get updates |
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| 20:21.49 | makr8100 | hey I used sabayon on 1 machine from 2008-2009... |
| 20:21.59 | wingedrhino | OMG lol |
| 20:22.00 | makr8100 | I needed to support a legacy vga card |
| 20:22.20 | wingedrhino | I think I had this crazy period in 2008 when I did like 5 distros in 12 months |
| 20:22.32 | wingedrhino | Started with Debian Lenny and ended up with Arch |
| 20:22.38 | makr8100 | only time since I started using Linux in 2006 that I used something that wasn't opensuse, barring ubuntu when said "obscure package" doesn't work |
| 20:23.03 | wingedrhino | makr8100: opensuse is now rolling release isn't it? |
| 20:23.07 | makr8100 | I lied, I used slackware/slax for minimal hardware systems |
| 20:23.17 | makr8100 | opensuse has both rolling and stable releases |
| 20:23.25 | wingedrhino | I remember back when you had to get TWO giant ass DVDs to get all the opensuse software |
| 20:23.34 | wingedrhino | did not have a DVD writer |
| 20:23.34 | makr8100 | tw (tumbleweed) is rolling, leap is stable |
| 20:23.46 | wingedrhino | err... the rolling isn't stable? |
| 20:24.06 | wingedrhino | I mean my Manjaro crashes less often than my Kubuntu |
| 20:24.25 | wingedrhino | Fedora is something else though. Fedora Stable is basically a beta. |
| 20:24.26 | xmorph | wingedrhino: after yesterday update something is worng with mine :D |
| 20:24.26 | makr8100 | rolling is technically never considered stable |
| 20:24.50 | xmorph | makr8100: Gentoo is rolling but it has stable and testing branch |
| 20:25.04 | wingedrhino | Hey! Would you like the KDE version your grandmother used to type in her lisp machine? Try a stable release distro. |
| 20:25.19 | makr8100 | opensuse tw is claimed to be the most stable rolling release, and I can verify that yes it's very stable |
| 20:26.07 | wingedrhino | I used Ubuntu 18.04 for nearly 2 years. The most annoying thing about it was ITS networkmanager never got the updates the current one did |
| 20:26.11 | asturm | from time to time, people are joking Gentoo stable is more conservative than Debian |
| 20:26.25 | xmorph | :D |
| 20:26.34 | kinghat-M1 | anyone have issues with samba in discover? |
| 20:26.37 | kinghat-M1 | * anyone have issues with samba in dolphin? |
| 20:26.42 | wingedrhino | Well.... ArchLinux has a Spyder version from 2018 |
| 20:27.22 | makr8100 | I never knew gentoo moved to rolling only. Still, the terms "rolling" and "stable" are very contradictory by nature |
| 20:27.43 | wingedrhino | rolling and stable describe different things |
| 20:27.46 | valorie | moved to? |
| 20:27.56 | valorie | gentoo is by its nature rolling |
| 20:27.59 | valorie | from day one |
| 20:28.22 | wingedrhino | Lemme grab my twenty fifth packet of cheetos while I recompile everything. |
| 20:29.09 | wingedrhino | This gentoo dude I knew from back in ~2006 was like that. |
| 20:29.20 | wingedrhino | His body ran on pepsi and cheetos |
| 20:29.30 | wingedrhino | Today he's an Arch user, and a triathlete xD |
| 20:29.31 | makr8100 | No... 2012-2016 gentoo had dates as release version numbers, and prior to that it had version numbers in the low double-digits |
| 20:29.53 | makr8100 | 2008 and prior releases were named after the year and sometimes the month |
| 20:29.55 | asturm | makr8100: those were never releases, only release media or profile versions. |
| 20:30.15 | makr8100 | That's pretty much the same thing lol, it's a release |
| 20:30.25 | asturm | yeah no. just the state of things at a given point in time |
| 20:30.26 | makr8100 | especially when using actual version numbers |
| 20:30.44 | makr8100 | https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=gentoo |
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| 20:30.51 | asturm | forget distrowatch please ;) |
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| 20:30.58 | makr8100 | explain 10.1 thru 12.1 |
| 20:31.04 | asturm | profile numbers |
| 20:31.07 | asturm | not releases. |
| 20:31.21 | makr8100 | I fail to see how a profile is not a version... |
| 20:31.30 | asturm | it is not a version at all |
| 20:31.45 | asturm | it sets global package defaults |
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| 20:32.12 | asturm | the terminology is non-obvious if you don't use Gentoo |
| 20:32.25 | makr8100 | so... global package defaults |
| 20:32.28 | makr8100 | as in a release? |
| 20:32.59 | asturm | no, as in we used these GCC defaults, then we added new ones |
| 20:33.17 | asturm | or we used this file system structure, then we made some changes |
| 20:33.19 | makr8100 | I fail to see how the terminology is even obvious to a Gentoo user |
| 20:34.01 | asturm | that's why Gentoo doesn't come with an installer. it is inevitable they are aware what it is |
| 20:34.09 | wingedrhino | I think gentoo had its moments of glory back when every goddamned Linux distro was packaged for i386 or above. Gentoo let you compile your stuff for your i686 architecture or later |
| 20:34.42 | wingedrhino | Around the mainstreaming of 64bit, you had very little improvements from compiling everything yourself |
| 20:34.48 | xmorph | asturm: cat /etc/gentoo-release :P |
| 20:34.53 | asturm | yeah. |
| 20:35.01 | xmorph | kidding |
| 20:36.15 | wingedrhino | makr8100: I'm going to grab tumbleweed for my pi 4 lol. for shits and giggles |
| 20:36.32 | asturm | wingedrhino: it's a toolkit to create your own distribution, that is about much more than building for a certain arch |
| 20:37.14 | wingedrhino | yieks https://en.opensuse.org/HCL:Raspberry_Pi4#Known_issues |
| 20:39.16 | makr8100 | wingedrhino: oof... maybe don't then? lol |
| 20:39.31 | wingedrhino | I wonder how Gentoo is lmao |
| 20:39.46 | wingedrhino | It must feel similar to compiling software manually on the old Pentium IV |
| 20:40.39 | asturm | distcc, binhost, there are many ways to reach your goal |
| 20:40.42 | makr8100 | Since hardwares support mainly comes from the kernel and modules I wonder if there's a newer kernel that has support for the pi4 |
| 20:41.35 | asturm | wingedrhino: my passively cooled laptop just fetches the readymade binary packages from the main computer. |
| 20:41.36 | wingedrhino | makr8100: pi is kinda weird. some stuff and some stuff isn't in mainline and anything other than the "blessed" distro things get annoying |
| 20:41.39 | xmorph | wingedrhino: AMD Sempron and Slackware :D |
| 20:41.50 | xmorph | my story |
| 20:42.13 | wingedrhino | I had a Pentium IV I tried to install Ubuntu 7.04 as a 16yo lol |
| 20:42.18 | wingedrhino | Didn't have working internet for 3 months |
| 20:42.27 | wingedrhino | I had to dual boot back to Windows to ask questions |
| 20:42.39 | wingedrhino | I'd note down commands and actions on a notebook |
| 20:42.49 | makr8100 | https://ubuntu.com/blog/roadmap-for-official-support-for-the-raspberry-pi-4 |
| 20:42.57 | makr8100 | 3rd paragraph |
| 20:43.45 | xmorph | haha my old pc is somehow using (preloading) vga driver from windows, i only can have vga working if i boot to windows and then to linux :D |
| 20:44.07 | makr8100 | xmorph: you just made that up >.< |
| 20:44.09 | makr8100 | lol |
| 20:44.23 | xmorph | very weird stuff |
| 20:45.09 | wingedrhino | makr8100: interesting. luckily I got rid of my 4GB Pi and got a 2GB Pi |
| 20:45.30 | wingedrhino | But they only release the server. I guess you gotta sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop yourself afterwards |
| 20:45.38 | makr8100 | https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi4 |
| 20:46.11 | makr8100 | that info covers multiple distros, looks like 5.7 kernel is supposed to contain some fixes |
| 20:46.31 | makr8100 | hopefully the opensuse doc is outdated, for 5.5 or 5.6 kernel or something |
| 20:46.53 | makr8100 | and installing the desktop after the fact isn't so bad |
| 20:46.55 | wingedrhino | makr8100: your opensuse on Kernel 5.7? |
| 20:47.14 | makr8100 | yes |
| 20:47.25 | makr8100 | the ubuntu servers I set up last week are on 5.4 |
| 20:47.30 | wingedrhino | Aah I thought Manjaro/Arch were the only ones who got a current kernel |
| 20:47.42 | wingedrhino | makr8100: yep my ubuntu laptop is stuck at 5.4 |
| 20:47.57 | wingedrhino | I need to find .deb based distro that is rolling release and stable |
| 20:47.58 | jankusanagi_ | Mageia has had Linux 5.7.x for ages... |
| 20:48.04 | asturm | which makes sense as 5.4 is LTS kernel. |
| 20:48.13 | makr8100 | opensuse leap is a release-based distro so that probably won't have 5.7 |
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| 20:48.19 | asturm | and rolling release has latest, no surprise |
| 20:48.19 | wingedrhino | jankusanagi_: Mageia? That related to Mandrake Linux? |
| 20:48.29 | asturm | and gentoo has whatever kernel you want |
| 20:48.36 | jankusanagi_ | and it's really naive to assume only 2 distributions out of 300.000 have latest Linux versions xD |
| 20:48.45 | jankusanagi_ | Mageia is related to Mandrake, yes |
| 20:48.48 | wingedrhino | jankusanagi_: I meant among the popular ones lol |
| 20:49.02 | jankusanagi_ | "popular" is a matter of opinion xD |
| 20:49.03 | wingedrhino | I used Mandriva in 2008. Was really pretty! |
| 20:49.33 | makr8100 | my tw laptop has 5.7.2 installed, 5.7.7 available |
| 20:49.43 | wingedrhino | What I REALLY should try is NixOS with KDE |
| 20:49.49 | wingedrhino | On a Pi |
| 20:50.02 | wingedrhino | That'd make things as needlessly hard as possible. Much fun! |
| 20:50.14 | wingedrhino | Isn't NixOS the hipster Gentoo? |
| 20:50.26 | makr8100 | oof, our opensuse leap 15.1 server has kernel 4.12 :( |
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| 20:50.40 | makr8100 | 15.2 is current tho so that's gotta get updated soon-ish |
| 20:51.08 | wingedrhino | makr8100: opensuse leap 5.1 "SERVER"? now THAT is rare lol |
| 20:51.31 | makr8100 | I wasn't aware lol |
| 20:52.03 | makr8100 | it's only running apache and hosting git repos, although all projects are being migrated to it so it's basically hosting its own git repos |
| 20:52.39 | makr8100 | I tried to set up our database cluster on leap 15.2 but I had issues getting the cluster software to play nice |
| 20:53.20 | makr8100 | using galera, if it was galera/mariadb I would have been fine but galera/mysql didn't start with replication enabled |
| 20:55.41 | wingedrhino | makr8100: also never heard of anyone use opensuse at "work" |
| 20:55.58 | wingedrhino | I've usually either used CentOS or Ubuntu because support is usually easier to get lol |
| 20:56.03 | jankusanagi_ | #kde-chat ? |
| 20:58.56 | wingedrhino | Alright staying on-topic, anyway I can get a "current" KDE on Ubuntu 20.04? Are the Neon repos usable there? |
| 21:00.23 | jankusanagi_ | they're supposed to be for that version of Ubuntu, so... yes? |
| 21:00.36 | jankusanagi_ | (but there's no "current KDE", of course :p) |
| 21:00.53 | wingedrhino | jankusanagi_: are you sure? Last I checked it was based on Ubuntu 18.04 |
| 21:01.24 | jankusanagi_ | ah, indeed, https://neon.kde.org/faq says so |
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| 21:02.32 | wingedrhino | Curious - old network manager doesn't have support for wireguard. But new kde network manager does. How does neon handle this combo? |
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| 21:08.00 | jankusanagi_ | I'd imagine that if Plasma NM is built with a certain version of NetworkManager which doesn't handle certain things, then there's a bunch of #ifdef's in place to build without that |
| 21:08.57 | asturm | or, you know, build flags. |
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| 21:09.28 | wingedrhino | But you can't describe Neon as a "current" distribution of KDE then, if it doesn't expose ALL the "current" features of KDE. |
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| 21:11.01 | jankusanagi_ | of Plasma =) |
| 21:11.17 | jankusanagi_ | I wouldn't describe KDE Neon as a distribution at all xD |
| 21:11.34 | asturm | glorified repository |
| 21:12.19 | jankusanagi_ | a glorified directory full of tarballs! |
| 21:12.20 | jankusanagi_ | xD |
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