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| 00:10.22 | Shadow53-M | <jwhvkvthdi-M "Somebody said to make a personal"> You might be able to find the local IP address of your computer and manually enter it into KDE Connect on your phone and have them find each other that way |
| 00:10.31 | Shadow53-M | That's what I have to do on university WiFi |
| 00:11.11 | jwhvkvthdi-M | I will try that. I thought they were isolated, no? |
| 00:11.39 | Shadow53-M | I'm not sure what you're asking. You thought what were isolated? |
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| 00:18.49 | jwhvkvthdi-M | <Shadow53-M "I'm not sure what you're asking."> I thought that any device connected to the network were isolated from each other. |
| 00:20.53 | Shadow53-M | Depends on the network, probably. It might be that devices can't discover each other but can connect if they know the other's IP address already |
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| 00:22.52 | jwhvkvthdi-M | If I ping to my phone's IP address on my laptop in the terminal I actually get a response! |
| 00:22.53 | jwhvkvthdi-M | I'm still not able to connect to KDE Connect by entering my computer's IP in manually. Could it be a blocked port? |
| 00:25.02 | Shadow53-M | You might have to hit refresh in the app. Could also try https://community.kde.org/KDEConnect#I_have_two_devices_running_KDE_Connect_on_the_same_network.2C_but_they_can.27t_see_each_other |
| 00:32.33 | jwhvkvthdi-M | Okay thanks. |
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| 06:51.36 | pragomer | hi. is it possible to export kde-settings (especially my custom keyboard shortcuts) so that I can import them on another computer? |
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| 07:05.47 | Jucato | pragomer: i might be mistaken, but the keyboard shortcuts (that you set in system settings) are saved in ~/.config/khotkeysrc so you can just copy that file |
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| 07:07.51 | valorie | I often save ~/.config so that I can copy stuff I like when I don't like the new defaults |
| 07:08.08 | valorie | don't have to do that very often though |
| 07:08.34 | Jucato | ð |
| 07:13.48 | pragomer | copying khotkeysrc seems to work, but only for custom created shortcuts. |
| 07:13.50 | pragomer | thank you so far. |
| 07:15.05 | Jucato | per-app shortcuts would probably be in their respective *rc files in ~/.config too. sorry haven't checked |
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| 07:19.46 | pragomer | now I would need additional |
| 07:20.41 | pragomer | to export the keyboard shortcuts for "global shortcuts": http://i.imgur.com/y143BqZ.png |
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| 07:20.55 | pragomer | (thats where I also changed a lot about window movement) |
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| 07:26.22 | Jucato | actually facepalm moment. there's an Export Scheme option at the bottom of the window under the File button |
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| 10:31.29 | zolek | Hello, I have a problem with dual screen monitor setup with 4 worspaces - I have always one program group on one workspace on the same screen (right monitor) but when i change the workspace and back the the active application is different than when I left the workspace |
| 10:31.43 | zolek | is it a feature that I can toggle off maybe? |
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| 11:30.58 | BluesKaj | Howdy all |
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| 11:51.41 | rindolf | BluesKaj: hi |
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| 12:20.57 | guestkato | can i override qt applications' colors with what comes with kde? `okular -stylesheet` wants a .qss stylesheet, while kde uses ini-style color scheme files. `okular -style Windows` works but retains the existing color scheme (which is normally good). i found an Ubuntu.qss at https://github.com/GTRONICK/QSS which partially works, but i'd prefer to use existing schemes like "Norway". |
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| 12:23.59 | guestkato | (i'm using a global dark theme which i'm trying to override once with a light theme) |
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| 13:35.19 | AndrewPRS | hi there! I have a problem in CentOS7, kde version. I have several workspaces and I have control+alt+arrows configured to move around. When I do this repeatedly, suddenly it stops working and all my actions are ignored and when I click somewhere they are repeated quickly |
| 13:35.30 | AndrewPRS | sometimes it happens as well with alt+tab |
| 13:35.35 | AndrewPRS | is this a known kde bug? |
| 13:36.03 | AndrewPRS | kde version is 4.14.18 |
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| 14:03.16 | bernie_ | AndrewPRS: 4.14.18? that's several years old |
| 14:03.43 | AndrewPRS | hmm its what comes with latest CentOS |
| 14:03.58 | jankusanagi_ | it's ancient xD |
| 14:04.14 | bernie_ | AndrewPRS: I don't think anyone around here still remembers KDE 4 :-) |
| 14:04.29 | AndrewPRS | T_T |
| 14:04.33 | jankusanagi_ | I remember Plasma 4... |
| 14:04.39 | jankusanagi_ | my memory is not SO bad |
| 14:04.47 | bernie_ | AndrewPRS: enterprise distros ship really old software, and it's usually no longer supported by upstream projects |
| 14:05.05 | bernie_ | AndrewPRS: in a way, it |
| 14:05.17 | AndrewPRS | yeah, unfortunately they are buggy sometimes |
| 14:05.22 | bernie_ | AndrewPRS: in a way, it's "stable"... unless you need a bug fixed :-) |
| 14:05.26 | AndrewPRS | yeah... |
| 14:05.41 | AndrewPRS | the bugs are "stable" there :P |
| 14:07.23 | bernie_ | AndrewPRS: are you stuck with CentOS or can you freely pick a distro? |
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| 14:07.30 | AndrewPRS | stuck :P |
| 14:07.45 | AndrewPRS | I'm reading that apparently RHEL will drop support for kde |
| 14:07.56 | AndrewPRS | that's quite unfortunate ... I prefer kde over gnome |
| 14:08.15 | thiago | then don't use centos/rhel |
| 14:08.58 | AndrewPRS | I have no choice :/ |
| 14:09.20 | AndrewPRS | I develop a piece of software and our users use centos/rhel |
| 14:09.31 | thiago | have you ever heard of containers? |
| 14:09.33 | thiago | virtual machines? |
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| 14:10.03 | AndrewPRS | virtual machines yes... they are a bit clumsy to work with |
| 14:10.10 | AndrewPRS | and containers... like docker? |
| 14:10.10 | CarlSchwan | virtual machines are slow. CentOs 8 will have a more recent version of Plasma |
| 14:10.30 | AndrewPRS | i'm not sure what the difference between containers and virtual machines is |
| 14:10.36 | thiago | like docker, but not necessarily docker |
| 14:10.38 | bernie_ | AndrewPRS: ah yeah, i read that too. I'm using KDE on Fedora, which is essentially RH with up-to-date packages and minus the support contract |
| 14:10.57 | thiago | the point is that you can create a VM or a root of RHEL/CentOS of any version on your KDE-supporting host OS |
| 14:11.08 | thiago | you enter that container when you need to develop your application |
| 14:11.16 | thiago | is it a graphical application? |
| 14:11.18 | AndrewPRS | yes |
| 14:12.06 | thiago | ok, graphical from containers is difficult, but not impossible. VMs are easier. |
| 14:12.28 | thiago | I'd select a modern host OS, even if I weren't choosing it for Plasma desktop |
| 14:12.32 | thiago | just get something modern |
| 14:12.40 | thiago | develop your application there, test it for the most part there |
| 14:12.54 | bernie_ | thiago: but then the binaries he builds would not work on Centos 7... |
| 14:12.55 | thiago | but frequently fire up the CentOS VM, compile there and test |
| 14:13.08 | bernie_ | thiago: ah, right |
| 14:13.13 | AndrewPRS | yeah.. in fact my binary depends on libraries that only compile for centos 7 |
| 14:13.24 | thiago | as for release binaries, your *CI* should be doing that. Not you on your VM. |
| 14:13.30 | AndrewPRS | we upgraded to 7 recently... we were stuck in 6 for a while |
| 14:13.30 | thiago | your CI has a CentOS container to build. |
| 14:13.42 | thiago | if you don't have a CI, you should upgrade to the year 2016 |
| 14:13.54 | AndrewPRS | yeah we do have a CI , buildbo |
| 14:13.57 | AndrewPRS | *buildbot |
| 14:14.04 | AndrewPRS | not sure if it supports containers though... |
| 14:14.24 | bernie_ | hard to test GUI apps in CI though... you can verify that it builds, perhaps verify that it starts... but does it really work? |
| 14:14.24 | AndrewPRS | in any case, my application most probably won't compile on a bleeding edge modern distro |
| 14:14.40 | AndrewPRS | also... modern distros are bug ridden ... |
| 14:15.05 | AndrewPRS | sorry for the rant ;P |
| 14:15.32 | AndrewPRS | it's unfortunate that kde 4 doesn't get bugfixes :/ |
| 14:15.35 | bernie_ | AndrewPRS: all software is bug ridden... the larger the codebase, the more bugs... but that doesn't mean that users encounter more bugs in your daily usage |
| 14:15.55 | thiago | the fact taht your software doesn't compile on modernr distros is entirely on you |
| 14:15.57 | thiago | you should fix that |
| 14:16.25 | AndrewPRS | yeah... we are working on that , slowly :P takes time for big codebases |
| 14:16.32 | bernie_ | AndrewPRS: in fact, i would propose that modern software is more robust due to advancements in languages, compilers, tools, testing infrastructure, engineering culture... |
| 14:16.33 | AndrewPRS | in fact we are stuck on qt 4.8 ... T_T |
| 14:16.37 | thiago | anyway, your CI needs to at minimum compile. If you have that, you don't need a CentOS host to make releases |
| 14:16.52 | thiago | Qt 4.8 is unsupported and is insecure |
| 14:16.57 | AndrewPRS | yup I know :/ |
| 14:17.00 | thiago | unless *you* are patching it, you're insecure |
| 14:17.02 | AndrewPRS | we can't migrate to 5 tho |
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| 14:17.25 | AndrewPRS | our customers get weird bugs when we tried to develop on 5 |
| 14:17.37 | AndrewPRS | they have really ancient machines :P |
| 14:17.47 | thiago | you've only had 7 years to investigate and figure out what's wrong |
| 14:18.17 | thiago | is right now discussing the timeline for Qt 6 |
| 14:18.40 | AndrewPRS | exciting! |
| 14:18.44 | thiago | anyway, your choice of build and test environment is not a reqruirement for your desktop environment |
| 14:18.49 | AndrewPRS | maybe in a few decades we can adopt qt 6 *lol* |
| 14:18.57 | thiago | I know a lot of poeple developing for Linux that use just Windows or macOS, running Linux in a VM |
| 14:19.11 | AndrewPRS | yeah... some other devs do that |
| 14:19.29 | bernie_ | I once consulted for a supermarket chain that was using some IBM cash registers running an ancient linux distro on a weird non-intel x86 with a weird JVM and a huge Java app they had written |
| 14:19.35 | thiago | but since you're developing with Qt, you can do quite a lot on your host machine (even Windows and macOS), since it's cross-platform |
| 14:19.48 | thiago | but you need to test on what your customers will use |
| 14:20.08 | AndrewPRS | yup :/ |
| 14:20.09 | bernie_ | told them that these quirks were undebuggable, upgrade your linux distro, switch to real JDK, use a real PC... |
| 14:20.22 | bernie_ | but they had thousands of those machines in the field, lol :-) |
| 14:20.32 | AndrewPRS | yeah ... sometimes its just not possible |
| 14:20.51 | AndrewPRS | or doesn't make sense money-wise :PÃ |
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| 14:21.13 | thiago | are you accusing companies of making logical sense? |
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| 14:21.16 | thiago | sheesh! |
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| 14:24.04 | AndrewPRS | :P ! |
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| 14:26.10 | thiago | anyway, if your colleagues can choose windows or macos, you can choose another linux distro |
| 14:26.28 | thiago | you'll have an advantage that you can actually give the centos environment your full RAM and CPU, if you want to |
| 14:26.48 | thiago | uses systemd-nspawn containers for building and testing code |
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| 14:43.29 | menace | hi, i forgot my password for my external hard drive (luks encrypted), but kde still knows it. how can i extract it from the kde-whereever it is stored? |
| 14:44.17 | jankusanagi_ | Plasma and other software made by KDE store passwords in KWallet |
| 14:44.29 | jankusanagi_ | with the KWallet manager you might be able to see your passwords |
| 14:45.06 | menace | ah, yes, found it... |
| 14:45.09 | menace | thanks! |
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| 16:21.33 | m1cl | gpg: agent_genkey failed: Fehler in der Pinentry |
| 16:21.36 | m1cl | hilfe |
| 16:21.38 | m1cl | was tun? |
| 16:23.08 | leon0402-M | Deine Frage auf Englisch stellen, die wenigstens werden dich sonst hier verstehen |
| 16:23.24 | jwhvkvthdi-M | I love you KDE Plasma. |
| 16:23.59 | CarlSchwan | Oder in #kde-de fragen |
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| 16:28.35 | jankusanagi_ | Plasma rox |
| 16:30.38 | m1cl | good point. So I have an issue with pinentry. Everytime I want ot install a new theme or an addon etc I got this error message: Error password storage bla kwallet |
| 16:31.07 | m1cl | just installed kde because gnome had some issues, maybe they are related |
| 16:31.40 | CarlSchwan | Do you have kwallet installed? |
| 16:32.25 | m1cl | yes |
| 16:32.42 | CarlSchwan | and configured? ð |
| 16:33.35 | m1cl | also I got this error if I try to genearte a new key |
| 16:33.38 | m1cl | gpg: agent_genkey failed: Fehler in der Pinentry |
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| 16:35.35 | m1cl | how do I configure it? |
| 16:35.47 | m1cl | and why do I have to do it? |
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| 17:34.01 | m1cl | hey, I have no'diplay settings |
| 17:34.15 | m1cl | only compositor settings |
| 17:34.26 | m1cl | do I have to install a package? |
| 17:34.52 | m1cl | I want to disable the display of my laptop |
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| 21:19.08 | Lothaire-M | hey everyone |
| 21:19.40 | Lothaire-M | LXQt is a cheap KDE knockoff lmao |
| 21:21.37 | Fuchs | be nice. |
| 21:23.08 | jankusanagi_ | comparing LXQt to *Plasma* makes no sense |
| 21:23.26 | jankusanagi_ | much less to call it a Plasma knock off... |
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| 21:26.27 | Lothaire-M | Plasma is pretty much Qt |
| 21:27.05 | asturm | what's that even supposed to mean |
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