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00:08.41jackyI haven't seen it work
00:08.46jackyI tried and it doesn't nothing for me
00:11.05MortimerHoughtonToo bad
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05:45.47mobile_chow do i make a plugin for kate
05:47.16AndrewCrouthamelmobile_c: I found this https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Kate/KTextEditor_Plugins
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05:48.10AndrewCrouthamelmobile_c: https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Kate/KatePluginTutorial
05:48.22AndrewCrouthamelI didn't read them over, so I don't know what the differences are between the two.
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05:51.55Jucatowithout looking into them: Kate plugins would only work on the Kate app. KTextEditor plugins could work on other programs that use KTE (KDevelop, etc).
05:52.06Jucatomobile_c: there's also a #kate channel (i hope that's the right one)
05:52.35Jucatoyep, #kate it is
05:56.39mobile_care there any other autocompletion plugins besides the default autocomplete
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08:14.40guacamoleedoes someone here know how to get sddm to display on my primary display? Rn i have extended display set for laptop display and tv and sddm always shows on the tv
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08:51.20Thaodanset it in xorg.conf.d?
08:51.29Thaodansddm doesn't use kscreen
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09:04.33guacamoleenever done anything with xorg.conf :/ I don't quite get it
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09:20.35yann-kaelighello
09:20.59yann-kaeligkmail import gpg key doesn't work during the wizard account creation
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09:22.36yann-kaeligkmail wizard manual smtp/imap configuration doesn't work
09:23.00yann-kaeligthere is no such option during the wizard configuration
09:23.12leszekyann-kaelig: which version?
09:23.34yann-kaeligkmail 5.9.1
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09:27.55yann-kaeligkmail configuration > Setup for Sending and Receiving Messages > Can't remove my identity
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09:28.45yann-kaeligor at least I would like to clean everything about the account \ I have created, there is no such option
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09:35.03leszekyann-kaelig: leave the identity there just configure smtp and imap stuff in the accounts
09:35.04yann-kaeligI have removed .config/kmail2rc .config/kmailsearchindexingrc .local/kmail2 but kmail wizard is still able to find my user name and the email adress. What should I remove to get the same state as the first wizard start ?
09:35.44leszekyann-kaelig: thats akonadi you need to remove the stuff via settings accounts
09:36.43leszekalso I am not getting why you want to get the first wizard if it is not working for you
09:36.52leszekjust configure the accounts stuff should be enough
09:37.04leszekalso the first wizard is something you can call manually from the settings menu aswell I guess
09:37.55leszekSettings -> Add Account
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09:55.14yann-kaeligkmail doesn't use the account name I have provided but instead use IMAP Account 2 as my account name, why ?
09:56.48yann-kaeligso now I have two identities in the identities settings, myname and myname#1, why ?
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10:03.37yann-kaeligI don't understand I have the exact same configuration as thunderbird, on thunderbird everything work great from the beginning and bonus thunderbird was ablt ot find the right conf by himself, but on kmail that doesn't work even after a manual conf
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10:04.40leszekyann-kaelig: anything we can help you with?
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10:06.30BluesKajHowdy folks
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10:11.37yann-kaelighow can I get logs from kmail, that could help to find where is the problem
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10:17.12gryffusI have heard that KDE Telepathy is not recommended anymore or something like that. What should i use instead? Any recomendations? Is some replacement in development?
10:18.44asturmgryffus: well, it works, but it is unmaintained
10:18.53asturmgryffus: kopete works, but is unmaintained as well
10:19.43gryffusasturm: eh... so does exist some alternative? Is pidgin maintained and does it have a Qt gui? What happened to IM clients? :O I just don't get it
10:21.35asturmgryffus: everyone uses their phone these days
10:22.01asturmgryffus: psi has a Qt gui
10:22.49gryffusasturm: ok i will try psi then, thank you :)
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10:23.29gryffusit feels like an overkill to install an Android VM just to use IM on my computer :x
10:23.53asturmgryffus: well, do you have a problem with the existing IMs available?
10:24.31gryffusasturm: yes, i am trying to find some that supports OMEMO + Carbons for Jabber and that supports ICQ and skype networks
10:24.55gryffusOMEMO is not supported in (k)telepathy and i don't know if kopete supports it
10:25.55leszekyann-kaelig: akonadiconsole can give you a lot of output for the mail accounts and what might be wrong
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10:35.35yann-kaeligok thx :)
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10:41.43gryffusasturm: PSI is not multiprotocol, it cannot connect to the Skype and ICQ networks :(
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10:42.51gryffusI feel i will just let GTK to my system and use pidgin :(
10:43.40Triffid_Hunterwoah, icq is still around?
10:44.55gryffusTriffid_Hunter: why wouldn't be? Same as Yahoo messenger, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, etc ....
10:47.30gryffusTriffid_Hunter: it even has a Linux client: https://icq.com/linux/
10:47.52gryffusTriffid_Hunter: https://github.com/mailru/icqdesktop
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10:51.15Triffid_Hunterlast time I used ICQ was in the 90s.. it filled up with russian spammers pretty quickly and everyone left
10:52.11gryffusTriffid_Hunter: yeah you need to block messages from people not in your contacts, but this is the same for most of the networks. Jabber for example.
10:52.31gryffusTriffid_Hunter: and this is true from the begining of IM
10:52.41gryffuss/from/since
11:00.33BCMMgryffus: as far as I know, nothing connects to the skype network
11:00.58Triffid_Hunteroften not even skype.. :/
11:01.10gryffusBCMM: yes it does: https://github.com/EionRobb/skype4pidgin/tree/master/skypeweb
11:01.34gryffusBCMM: even KDE telepathy supports it
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11:02.58gryffusBCMM: it even supports file transfers
11:03.50BCMMgryffus: ah, i hadn't seen how advanced that had got. does it do voice and video?
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11:05.32gryffusBCMM: It should according to changelog, but i have never tried
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11:09.49gryffusBCMM: https://www.fossmint.com/skype4pidgin-is-a-plugin-that-enables-you-to-use-skype-with-pidgin/
11:10.14asturmit's just running skype though, doesn't it?
11:10.22asturmit's not like this is an open protocol
11:10.46gryffusasturm: no, this is not the Skype API connector that we used to use before Microsoft acquired Skype
11:11.10gryffusasturm: you do not need to install skype itself for it to work...
11:11.34BCMMasturm: there used to be a plugin that did that, but i think they took away the api for that
11:11.51BCMMasturm: this one scrapes the skype web interface basically
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11:11.59gryffusasturm: yes
11:12.04gryffusguys, these are 3 years old news (at least) ... Is Facehook now standard even in Open Source world? :x :( this is so sad...
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11:14.37asturmgryffus: there is nothing opensource with facebook iirc
11:15.06gryffusasturm: exactly...
11:15.20asturmthen I don't understand the comment
11:15.44gryffusasturm: that it is sad that even people into Open Source use these kind of networks
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11:15.58asturmthey are people, they talk to other people
11:16.33achillionGNU/Humans
11:16.39gryffusasturm: well.... Many of my friends are pissed of at me because i refuse to talk to them via these networks and i still send SMS rather :D
11:17.06achillionAh yes, SMS. Technology at its finest.
11:17.16gryffusAnd i some kind of expected that it would be common here
11:18.03achillionSMS is annoying though and for a lot of people it still costs money
11:18.12achillionand there's no support for groups
11:18.23achillionso what problem are you solving exactly?
11:18.23gryffusachillion: well, i even use OTR on SMS (for the one friend that i forced to use it also) :D
11:19.04gryffusachillion: i'm just discussing.... But at first i just wanted to know if there is some KDE IM in development
11:19.40achillionright
11:19.42achillion¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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11:20.36radicegryffus: it happens to me too, it appears that wazzapp hide sms or something
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11:28.09yann-kaeligwell, any idea why I can't move my Inbox messages to trash ?
11:28.53yann-kaeligthe trash option is not available
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11:57.48yann-kaeligserously you should be ashamed to deliver a software like that. It's bug after bug and bugs
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12:00.16gryffusyann-kaelig: i do not have a problem with akonadi / kontact / kmail.... And i have a mailbox with filters and many subfolders and over 500 000 emails ... everything just works so i cannot help you sorry... but i don't think anyone should be ashamed for akonadi or any other open source software. After all they are doing it for free (mostly)
12:01.04gryffusyann-kaelig: maybe if you described your problem little more, maybe even with screenshots and be a little more patient, somebody will help you
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12:05.06yann-kaeligit's about kmail. Something is wrong with manual configuration. Then going to Setting > Setup for Sending and Receiving Messages kmail automatically recreates the folder with their subfolders  inbox/sent/... and now the trash option is available. But now each time I want to move an inbox message to the trash all my messages disapear
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12:05.39yann-kaeligFirst I have removed the folder then Setting >
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12:08.01gryffusif you want to use custom folder for trash, you need to configure it in settings, either in identity settings or in account settings
12:08.24gryffusyou should not remove an "active" folder - i can imagine it can break your akonadi DB
12:08.37gryffusbut it is just a guess
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12:09.42achillionthe recreation of folders sounds like it's just downloading the IMAP directory structure. IIRC, that can be disabled as well (haven't used KMail in a while)
12:09.50softmetzhi. is there a way in plasma to NOT show any notifications if i am on a particular activity?
12:09.50achillionare the folders disabled?
12:11.05yann-kaeligI have done this before, checkes the folder which is by default set to local folder. This is not working the trash is grey, not available. If I set the trash folder to my account it is the same the trash is not available. As I said, I have to remove the folder from the main kmail window, let kmail to recreates the folrder with subfolders to get the trash available
12:11.20gryffusachillion: no, trash and other similar folders are only local by default
12:11.21yann-kaeligchecked the trash folder*
12:11.49achilliongryffus: oh those. Right. My bad.
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12:24.19yann-kaeligabout gpg key. Wizard failed to import my gpg key, and in kmail settings > Setup for Sending and Receiving Messages > Modify > Cryptography > There is no option to import a key but only ( no key or generate a new pair ) So is it possible to import a key or not  ?
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12:30.13[Enrico]yann-kaelig: try using kleopatra or kgpg to import your key in the gpg keychain
12:31.36[Enrico]yann-kaelig: should appear in kmail after that
12:32.13yann-kaeligI installed use kleopatra, my key is imported in kleopatra. Should I have to activate something else ? A deamon or something else
12:33.05[Enrico]yann-kaelig: check your key is properly trusted and that you have both private and public. Can you sign a file with kleopatra. Be aware I said signing not encrypting
12:34.16yann-kaeligyes, this is the first question kleopatra asked me after I imported the key, trust ultimate and both private and public key are here
12:35.59yann-kaeligCertif,sign as primary key and Encrypt as subkey
12:38.16[Enrico]yann-kaelig: so can you actually sign a file? Also did you self signed your own key? I think that's required
12:38.49gryffusOk, back to running Miranda IM in Linux via Wine... Feel like back in the 90's :x
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12:41.38yann-kaelig[Enrico]: Yes  Ican sign a file. I also start a kleoptra test, everything passed. Self signing my key ? Never been asked by that from kleopatra
12:42.33[Enrico]yann-kaelig: I never said it will ask for it :)
12:43.25[Enrico]yann-kaelig: IIRC you have to certify you own key
12:43.51[Enrico]yann-kaelig: double click on the key -> certifications
12:44.54[Enrico]and yeah this is confusing as hell
12:45.21yann-kaeligOk , the answer by kleopatra is, the key wasalready certified by the same certificate
12:45.40[Enrico]yann-kaelig: oh and, obviously, the email address associated with the key must match the one you configured in kmail
12:46.04yann-kaeligha! that not the case
12:46.10[Enrico]yann-kaelig: well you can
12:46.46[Enrico]email address must match, it's like x.509 certificates from websites. You cannot use a certificate for somewebsite.example.com to certify for anotherwebsite.example.com
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12:47.49yann-kaeliginteresting, I learned something today. So i have to create a key for each email adress I own by myslef, that crazy ^^
12:48.34[Enrico]yann-kaelig: no you don't. Just associate multiple email addresses to one key
12:48.52[Enrico]personally I do two keys. One for work, one for personal stuff
12:49.37[Enrico]yann-kaelig: just edit your key and add email addresses
12:50.42yann-kaelig[Enrico]: ok, I understand now what's for the add email address.
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12:53.20yann-kaelig[Enrico]: how am I supposed to add the new address. Should I leave a space between each address, or add a symbol like , between each address ?
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12:54.35yann-kaelig[Enrico]: for example myaddress@one.org, myaddress@two.org, myaddress@three.org  OR myaddress@one.org myaddress@two.org myaddress@three.org ?
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13:05.46yann-kaeligI propose to improve kleopatra when it comes to adding a new email address to the own key . "Add email address" should offer a new field in which the user could add the email address. How to integrate this new address to the key will be the work of the software.
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17:51.54physketsHi!
17:52.11physketsI have a small gripe with single clicks
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17:53.07physketsThere was a .crt file that I accidentally clicked,
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17:53.50linuxicaHi!
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17:54.25physketsNow I don't know what certs from amongst all my imported ones, came from this
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20:19.23magyarhi, I've migrated from kde 4  to kde5 and lost all my kwallet data, how can I recover the info?
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20:29.11achillionmagyar: I know I'm not answering your question, but I've seen a few people say they've only upgraded recently and I wonder why people stuck with 4 for so long.
20:29.25achillionDistro upgrade?
20:31.15magyarachillion: yep, i think I fixed it by enabling migration in kwalletrc file
20:32.45achillionWell... I'm glad that was solved even though I did nothing to help :D
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22:25.07D-rexi just installed arch + kde on my laptop.  everything loads fine but sddm doesnt show until I move the mouse via the touchpad can't figure out why
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23:21.27DelvienTouchpad settings are not persistant after sleeping
23:22.02Delvienanyone know a fix?
23:23.39energizersomething seems wrong with the scaling https://i.imgur.com/Lky9rkS.png
23:23.39AndrewCrouthamelOh hey I just ran into that and wasn't sure if it was just my Bluetooth mouse or what. Good to know
23:23.45energizerthat menu is truncating
23:24.49AndrewCrouthamelI can probably set something up but it may take me a day or so
23:29.39AndrewCrouthamelnggraham: I flagged it in Phab
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