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| 00:25.55 | *** topic/#kde is KDE Plasma 5.12 and KDE Applications 18.04 are out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde,~/.kde4,~/.local or ~/.config |
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| 00:42.30 | isoasflus[m] | Is anyone using 5.12.90 now? |
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| 01:37.24 | Tatsh | i have Dolphin set to remember each folder's view settings, but is there a way to have a default for a folder i haven't viewed yet? |
| 01:37.36 | Tatsh | every time i view a folder, Preview is on when i don't want it on by default |
| 01:39.52 | Tatsh | nvm found the option |
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| 01:42.37 | lacrymology | I plugged an HDMI into my computer for the first time and plasma showed two different desktops, I went to display and chose "unify displays", and they both became just my regular desktop. I decided to go back, but now there's no "break unified displays" option anymore. |
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| 03:27.18 | StormWarrior | heya fellas.. I just installed KDE on top of ubuntu 16.04 and I am getting the following error everytime I try to save a file from chrome.. I dunno if it has anything to do with permissions |
| 03:27.22 | StormWarrior | Could not start process Cannot talk to klauncher: The name org.kde.klauncher was not provided by any .service files. |
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| 03:28.16 | StormWarrior | an ideas? |
| 03:29.35 | StormWarrior | any* |
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| 03:38.10 | tsarompy | yo #kde |
| 03:38.14 | tsarompy | i gots me a question |
| 03:38.39 | tsarompy | is there a script or something to run kde services i can add to my .xinitrc |
| 03:38.53 | tsarompy | im using awesome window manager but i want to preload kde services |
| 03:39.28 | tsarompy | for instance, i use dolphin to connect to my ftp server and if i run dolphin under awesome, i get an error that says "Communication with the local password server failed" |
| 03:45.09 | JanKusanagi | maybe just launch "kded5" |
| 03:45.51 | tsarompy | didnt work |
| 03:46.47 | tsarompy | eh its ok. ill just use awesome as the window manager under kde |
| 03:46.49 | tsarompy | :D |
| 03:46.51 | tsarompy | brb |
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| 03:48.21 | tsarompy | this works fine for me :D |
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| 03:54.47 | tsarompy | okay i got one moar question |
| 03:54.57 | tsarompy | im not getting OSDs when i change brightness/contrast and volume |
| 03:57.12 | tsarompy | OH i found it! |
| 03:57.19 | tsarompy | derp, it was under workspace settings, haha |
| 03:57.24 | tsarompy | i was looking under notifications/keyboard |
| 03:59.08 | tsarompy | so, there used to be a kwin style called tabstrip and you could group together windows manually or automatically and it seems to have disappeared... does kwin still have this functionality? |
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| 04:26.08 | Prof_Birch | Wow, it's a bit of a doozy to get started with KDE |
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| 04:36.25 | Prof_Birch | Is it a bad idea to develop KDE with emacs? |
| 04:36.35 | tsarompy | no? |
| 04:36.49 | tsarompy | its a bad idea to develop -anything- with emacs :P |
| 04:36.54 | Prof_Birch | haaaaaa |
| 04:36.55 | tsarompy | team vi whutwhut |
| 04:37.01 | Prof_Birch | damn |
| 04:37.08 | tsarompy | moar like eWACS |
| 04:37.17 | Prof_Birch | Looks like I'm switching to Gnome |
| 04:38.15 | Prof_Birch | But seriously, I am unfamiliar with just about anything KDE, and I am between using Kdevelop or emacs... |
| 04:38.59 | Prof_Birch | But I am thinking I should rely on Kdevelop to help me learn which way is up to begin |
| 04:40.03 | Prof_Birch | Just looking for a little guidance |
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| 04:48.41 | Acheron | waveS hello * |
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| 05:18.48 | Triffid_Hunter | Prof_Birch: I use kate for all my development |
| 05:19.21 | Prof_Birch | I don't like kate, though I can't really say I have used it |
| 05:19.40 | Prof_Birch | I am trying to get involved with Plasma Mobile development, but I am coming from an Android background |
| 05:21.33 | Triffid_Hunter | Prof_Birch: what's wrong with kate? it seems a bit simple at first, you just gotta go into the settings and turn on all the cool features :P |
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| 05:22.26 | Prof_Birch | If I am tinkering with advanced features, I'd rather work with LISP.... |
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| 07:14.07 | tyx | hi everyone, I have a strange issue with KRDC. I have Manjaro Linux distro installed, KRDC was working fine then stopped working. I tried xfreerdp from the command line, and it works just fine |
| 07:14.28 | tyx | AFAIK krdc used freerdp |
| 07:14.43 | tyx | I can't figure out the cuase of this issue? |
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| 07:21.07 | tosky | tyx: a user reported an issue few days ago, and he didn't have the /media directory which is configured by default as share directory in the settings of the RDC plugin |
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| 07:42.08 | tyx | thx tosky, I removed media from the connetion dialog and it works now. |
| 07:42.29 | tosky | I guess we need a bug to not forget about it |
| 07:43.24 | tyx | where can I report it? |
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| 07:55.15 | tosky | tyx: where all our bugs go :) on bugs.kde.org |
| 07:55.29 | tosky | I think I checked and I didn't see a bug for KRDC about this issue |
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| 07:55.58 | tyx | sorry newbie here, I'll create one |
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| 08:12.30 | tyx | submitted a new bug for krdc with id 394551 |
| 08:13.15 | tosky | thanks |
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| 08:31.18 | iarinov | if i have problem in 4th? it is useless to report it? |
| 08:33.02 | hateball | iarinov: you mean in KDE 4.x ? |
| 08:33.35 | hateball | It is no longer support by KDE devs (I think) but perhaps some specific distros still have maintainers |
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| 09:17.45 | iarinov_ | hateball: yes |
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| 10:11.39 | onlyabyte | I find it funny how smooth and responsive KDE is, it's great :) |
| 10:16.21 | leszek | :) |
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| 11:14.03 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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| 13:09.21 | Lord_of_Life | I did a stupid. I rotated my laptop's screen and the only thing it renders is the desktop and the cursor. |
| 13:10.03 | Lord_of_Life | If I hook up another monitor it returns to the normal orientation and I can do stuff |
| 13:10.44 | Lord_of_Life | How do I rotate it back via a config or similar? |
| 13:11.11 | Lord_of_Life | PS Arch, nvidia drivers |
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| 13:20.50 | akik | Lord_of_Life: not sure how you did it but you can rotate it back with xrandr, e.g. xrandr --output LVDS-1 --rotate normal |
| 13:21.52 | Lord_of_Life | I went into Displays > Orientation > 90 degreees |
| 13:22.19 | Lord_of_Life | I can't get into a terminal when it's rotated |
| 13:22.31 | akik | Lord_of_Life: press alt+f2, write konsole |
| 13:22.42 | Lord_of_Life | It doesn't render them |
| 13:22.50 | Lord_of_Life | only desktop, only cursor |
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| 13:23.32 | Lord_of_Life | Ideally I wanna find the file where the setting is saved and just change it |
| 13:24.18 | akik | Lord_of_Life: is the plasmashell stuck? |
| 13:24.46 | Lord_of_Life | Not sure. Persists after restart tho. |
| 13:24.48 | akik | Lord_of_Life: if you make a login in the virtual console, you can run commands from there too |
| 13:25.26 | Lord_of_Life | Good idea. So, xrandr --output <What's this?> --rotate normal |
| 13:25.45 | akik | eh i just tested it, doesn't work |
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| 13:26.14 | akik | DISPLAY=:0 XAUTHORITY=/home/username/.Xauthority xrandr --output LVDS-1 --rotate normal |
| 13:28.04 | akik | Lord_of_Life: you wrote that if you hook up another monitor, it starts working |
| 13:28.25 | Lord_of_Life | Yeah, it returns the normal orientation on both screens. |
| 13:28.32 | Lord_of_Life | it's how I'm typing |
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| 13:28.39 | akik | can't you fix it then? |
| 13:29.08 | Lord_of_Life | Well the Displays GUI thing reports it's all normal |
| 13:29.28 | Lord_of_Life | Gonna test the xrandr command |
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| 13:31.39 | akik | Lord_of_Life: the data seems to be stored in /home/username/.local/share/kscreen |
| 13:32.19 | akik | there's a rotation key |
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| 13:34.54 | Lord_of_Life | Alright, it crashes my session if I unplug the second monitor, but I see the messges |
| 13:35.00 | Lord_of_Life | it does seem like the place |
| 13:35.31 | tosky | you can freely remove the content of that directory, it should be re-created |
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| 13:38.08 | Lord_of_Life | That was the right place indeed. All back to norml now. Thank you |
| 13:38.24 | Lord_of_Life | I was browsing .config mostly so couldn't find it |
| 13:41.32 | akik | i usually do "grep -r -i thing $HOME" so it seaches everything |
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| 14:37.46 | JanKusanagi | \o |
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| 14:49.17 | lacrymology | I plugged an HDMI into my computer for the first time and plasma showed two different desktops, I went to display and chose "unify displays", and they both became just my regular desktop. I decided to go back, but now there's no "break unified displays" option anymore. |
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| 15:16.18 | pie_ | so im using plasma |
| 15:16.34 | pie_ | and i ran something with wine and now my mouse wont affect anything |
| 15:16.46 | pie_ | i cant click anything or move windows |
| 15:17.01 | pie_ | ive restarted plasmashell, kwin_x11, and kglobalaccel5 |
| 15:17.25 | pie_ | keyboard input still works with everything which is why i can type tihs |
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| 15:20.55 | JanKusanagi | so weird xD |
| 15:22.39 | pie_ | ah well ...did pkill -9 '\.exe' and that fixed it so i guess something was still capturing the mouse... |
| 15:22.58 | pie_ | *shrug* |
| 15:22.59 | pie_ | o/ |
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| 15:32.51 | seizo | just installed kubuntu 18.04, attempting to import everything back into thunderbird, says no application to import data from found. KMail import wizard is installed, anyone |
| 15:33.10 | seizo | have any advice on this? |
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| 15:40.05 | raghukamath | hey LazyGnoll hope you reached home safely |
| 15:40.23 | raghukamath | how was the flight? |
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| 16:39.36 | n4mu | Hello. |
| 16:40.58 | n4mu | I'm wondering if anyone has a quick tip to fix krunner (besides reboot). When I press "alt f2" the command thing opens and closes right away. I also lost the K menu... :/ (debian/stable..) Cheers. |
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| 16:59.25 | JanKusanagi | you lost the application menu... but do you have the panel/s available? |
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| 17:03.04 | thiago | n4mu: it crashed |
| 17:03.13 | thiago | to fix it, debug the code, find the issue and fix it |
| 17:03.27 | thiago | you can restart it (run: kdeinit5_wrapper krunner), but it'll probably crash again soon |
| 17:03.30 | thiago | it does that for me |
| 17:07.08 | n4mu | JanKusanagi: the panels were available, but no k menu (I didn't explore much of the rest) |
| 17:07.52 | n4mu | thiago: I restarted the system... I may have had some other issue, but it's the end of the day so I'm going to call it just that... :] |
| 17:08.51 | n4mu | I'll see if this happens again and in that case, try to do a helpful bugreport.. (I'm wondering if I had a separate issue with HDDs or something i/o related). |
| 17:08.54 | n4mu | Cheers. |
| 17:11.52 | LazyGnoll | raghukamath: hey, thanks, flight was good |
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| 17:15.22 | sdh_ | Hi. My Okular is rendering a weird menu bar: https://imgur.com/ZfgiHVx |
| 17:15.32 | sdh_ | Is there something basic I'm missing? |
| 17:15.50 | leszek | WTF |
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| 17:16.14 | ShalokShalom | hi |
| 17:16.31 | ShalokShalom | how to use bash in order to target the "default directorys"? |
| 17:16.59 | ShalokShalom | so e.g, I want to send some stuff to the default directory for the images, how to call that in bash? |
| 17:17.09 | ShalokShalom | might be a bash question |
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| 17:18.03 | tosky | sdh_: uhm, something went wrong with menu merging, or some wrong update in the system |
| 17:18.26 | tosky | sdh_: try to close okular and temporarily move away (not delete) the two files ~/.config/okularrc and ~/.config/okularpartrc |
| 17:18.28 | ShalokShalom | these default dirs are linux specific or from kde itself? |
| 17:18.44 | sdh_ | tosky: My system is ArchLinux with okular 18.04.1 |
| 17:18.50 | sdh_ | okay let me try that |
| 17:21.00 | tosky | ShalokShalom: neither bash nor Plasma (or Qt, or Frameworks) |
| 17:21.04 | tosky | ShalokShalom: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/XDG_user_directories |
| 17:21.29 | tosky | https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs/ |
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| 17:22.43 | ShalokShalom | thanks a lot dear |
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| 17:27.59 | sdh_ | tosky: moving .config/okular* didn't help, but removing local/kxmlgui5/okular fixed it |
| 17:28.28 | sdh_ | thanks for the pointer |
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| 17:30.19 | tosky | sdh_: oh, right |
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| 17:31.24 | ShalokShalom | tosky: And XDG_VIDEOS_DIR can get resolved by the shell? |
| 17:31.35 | ShalokShalom | i know, no kde question |
| 17:33.22 | sdh_ | ShalokShalom: see the archlinux wiki page linked above |
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| 17:33.39 | sdh_ | so you can use, for e.g.: xdg-user-dir VIDEOS |
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| 19:15.06 | Keepco | How long does your KDE take to load (from sddm to actually using the desktop)? |
| 19:17.03 | mike-zal2 | Keepco: It takes me 12-16s from grub to working desktop with loaded net (autologin, SSD) |
| 19:17.25 | mike-zal2 | on HDD much longer, I |
| 19:17.34 | mike-zal2 | I'd say, about a minute |
| 19:18.37 | Keepco | Alright, it takes about 10 secs from SDDM to KDE for me on a NVMe SSD, so I sort of thought something wasn't right |
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| 19:18.57 | Keepco | Sounds like it's normal though then (well, hopefully 5.13 is faster), thanks :) |
| 19:25.23 | thiago | definitely less than a minute from pressing the power button to graphical being usable |
| 19:25.45 | thiago | that's including typing the FS decryption password |
| 19:25.58 | thiago | but the graphical part does take too long for me: somewhere around 15 seconds |
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| 19:27.01 | lacrymology | my computer froze like three times in the last few hours, I don't know if there's a pattern |
| 19:27.06 | lacrymology | I mean, the computer doesn't completely freeze, but plasma stops responding |
| 19:27.11 | lacrymology | I can't change windows, the cursor moves, but doesn't change |
| 19:27.19 | lacrymology | any tips on how to at least troubleshoot this? |
| 19:27.55 | thiago | first, determine if it's a kernel issue or a KDE issue |
| 19:28.03 | lacrymology | It seems like there's a bar on the left that isn't updating anymore, where the desktops list would show up |
| 19:28.05 | thiago | ps ax and look for processes in "D" state |
| 19:28.16 | thiago | do this two or three times, to avoid false positives |
| 19:28.16 | lacrymology | let me see |
| 19:28.24 | thiago | if you do have them, it's a kernel problem |
| 19:29.02 | thiago | I have that: my Ethernet driver locks up, which means everything trying to get some network config locks up. That includes plasma due to network stats widgets. |
| 19:29.17 | lacrymology | thiago: no Ds |
| 19:29.26 | thiago | are you facing the freeze issue right now? |
| 19:29.29 | lacrymology | yes |
| 19:29.36 | lacrymology | I switched to a tty |
| 19:29.41 | thiago | ok, so not likely a kernel issue |
| 19:29.43 | lacrymology | but plasma is frozen |
| 19:29.54 | thiago | gdb -pid `pidof plasmashell` |
| 19:29.59 | thiago | thread apply all bt |
| 19:30.02 | thiago | pastebin the result |
| 19:30.44 | thiago | gdb -pid `pidof plasmashell` -x 'thread apply all bt' -batch > /tmp/bt.txt |
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| 19:31.16 | thiago | then you can use some command-line paster tool to pastebin the file |
| 19:31.42 | thiago | uh, that doesn't work |
| 19:31.56 | thiago | that's -ex, not -x |
| 19:32.50 | lacrymology | it's running |
| 19:32.54 | lacrymology | is it supposed to take a while? |
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| 19:33.44 | lacrymology | thiago: it just freezes in the pdb prompt |
| 19:34.37 | thiago | with -batch? |
| 19:35.17 | lacrymology | thiago: ah, no, I forgot |
| 19:35.19 | lacrymology | but it's empty anyways |
| 19:35.32 | lacrymology | getting into gdb and typing the command manually also returns empty |
| 19:35.44 | thiago | that means there must have been an error before |
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| 19:36.08 | thiago | pidof plasmashell. Do you even have such a process running? |
| 19:36.17 | lacrymology | ptrace: operation not permitted |
| 19:36.52 | thiago | same user? |
| 19:37.36 | lacrymology | yup |
| 19:37.40 | lacrymology | just checked |
| 19:38.12 | thiago | is it already in T state? |
| 19:38.14 | thiago | see ps |
| 19:38.46 | lacrymology | Sl |
| 19:39.46 | lacrymology | they're telling me in my distro's channel that people are having issues with plasma+xorg1.2? |
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| 19:40.05 | lacrymology | 1.20 |
| 19:41.31 | thiago | ptrace shouldn't fail unless the process belongs to another user or is already being traced |
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| 19:45.51 | lacrymology | I'll try to sudo it |
| 19:46.56 | lacrymology | thiago: it worked with sudo |
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| 19:50.24 | thiago | can you pastebin the result? |
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| 19:52.11 | lacrymology | I'm trying to find a way to do it with curl or something |
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| 19:53.40 | thiago | you don't have any paste tools in your distro? |
| 19:53.47 | thiago | fpaste on fedora, susepaste on opensuse, etc. |
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| 19:55.17 | lacrymology | thiago: there's fpaste, but I don't have it installed, and I have an update running, my packages db is locked |
| 19:55.20 | lacrymology | I can't install anything new just now |
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| 19:58.22 | thiago | there is definitely a way to do it with curl, but it's non-obvious |
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| 20:01.14 | lacrymology | thiago: http://dpaste.com/1HBHC6Q |
| 20:04.10 | thiago | you're stuck inside libxcb |
| 20:04.24 | thiago | unfortunately, because you ran this from the virtual console, it doesn't mean much |
| 20:04.52 | thiago | try this: sleep 5s; gdb -pid `pidof plasmashell` -ex 'thread apply all bt` -batch |
| 20:05.03 | thiago | then within 5s, flip back to the graphical display |
| 20:05.24 | thiago | if you do get this again, the problem is between libxcb and the X server. Not KDE's fault. |
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| 20:08.46 | lacrymology | thiago: http://dpaste.com/0PTNVX5 |
| 20:09.10 | thiago | it doesn't look frozen |
| 20:09.35 | thiago | and you say plasma is not updating? |
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| 20:11.31 | rindolf | yay! My kpat patch was merged - thanks all |
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| 20:41.22 | RadishEater | Good evening |
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| 21:05.07 | lacrymology | thiago: sorry, idk if you saw anything in that last backtrace |
| 21:05.28 | lacrymology | I had to get afk |
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| 21:15.47 | rindolf | RadishEater: hey |
| 21:16.25 | RadishEater | hey |
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| 21:23.48 | RadishEater | Did the effort to get plasma5 into EPEL die? |
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| 21:27.18 | rdieter | RadishEater: only kde frameworks, and it's there |
| 21:27.41 | rdieter | RadishEater: plasma cannot go into epel by policy (as it would replace stuff in core os) |
| 21:28.07 | RadishEater | ah. what a shame :( |
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| 21:38.35 | thiago | lacrymology: no, it only tells me that it isn't frozen |
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| 21:56.45 | n4mu | hmm, so the issue came back after a reboot. I'm ... :/ |
| 21:58.29 | n4mu | Krunner disapears right away (unusable) and the same goes for the Kmenu, other things in the panel seem to work fine. |
| 22:00.01 | JanKusanagi | maybe you're having a problem with the "sliding popups" effect |
| 22:00.12 | JanKusanagi | if you click on the clock to show the calendar, does that work? |
| 22:00.37 | n4mu | JanKusanagi: you're correct ! |
| 22:00.52 | n4mu | The clock does the same thing, disapears right away |
| 22:00.52 | JanKusanagi | so the calendar doesn't work either? |
| 22:00.55 | JanKusanagi | ok |
| 22:01.02 | JanKusanagi | then go to System Settings |
| 22:01.08 | JanKusanagi | search for the Compositor section |
| 22:01.13 | JanKusanagi | no, sorry |
| 22:01.17 | JanKusanagi | the Desktop Effects section |
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| 22:01.27 | n4mu | It's strange as I've not changed any settings recently. (I'm upgrading a second machine which is very similar to see if I can reproduce the error/bug) |
| 22:01.29 | JanKusanagi | and find the "sliding popups" effect, and try disabling it |
| 22:02.10 | n4mu | okay |
| 22:02.12 | JanKusanagi | or you could suspend compositing temporarily (alt+shift+F12) to check roughly the same thing |
| 22:02.32 | n4mu | Disabled the effect, but it does seem to help. |
| 22:03.03 | n4mu | It changes something, as in, I don't see the background of the krunner or clock disapear in 0.5 seconds.. |
| 22:03.42 | n4mu | (not sure if that was clear, I can clarify if needed) |
| 22:04.38 | n4mu | I just disabled compositor, and same. I can't get the k{menu,runner}. |
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| 22:07.45 | n4mu | JanKusanagi: My other computer, same OS/version, same environement (KDE/plasma/sddm on Debian/stable, both up to date), works fine. |
| 22:08.10 | n4mu | I must have a PEBKAC going on here, I don't see what else it can be :/ |
| 22:08.43 | n4mu | (it worked fine before, I didn't do anything, it doesn't work now, I must have done something) : ] |
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| 22:10.46 | bytnrm | I wanted to try the new firefox integration with plasma. I've added the Firefox extension but it needs the plasma-browser-integration package |
| 22:11.08 | bytnrm | and I can't find that package on KDE Neon |
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| 22:14.33 | thiago | do you know if it includes a wallet integration? |
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| 22:21.53 | JanKusanagi | plasma-browser-integration will be part of Plasma 5.13 |
| 22:22.06 | JanKusanagi | for which you can try the beta ATM |
| 22:22.34 | JanKusanagi | re: your problem, you could try with a new user, see if it works correctly, to discard config problems |
| 22:22.49 | bytnrm | yes, I'm on KDE Neon Developer Stable |
| 22:23.28 | JanKusanagi | n4mu: re: your problem, you could try with a new user, see if it works correctly, to discard config problems |
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| 22:27.33 | bytnrm | plasma-browser-integration should be on Developer Stable, no JanKusanagi? |
| 22:33.23 | JanKusanagi | not sure what "developer stable" entails |
| 22:34.16 | n4mu | JanKusanagi: good idea.. |
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| 22:36.33 | n4mu | JanKusanagi: you win. |
| 22:36.33 | n4mu | IOt |
| 22:37.39 | n4mu | It's a user setting. Now I'll have to figure out what I did (I'd like to avoir reconfiguring manually all my shortcuts... ) |
| 22:38.42 | n4mu | JanKusanagi: actually, menus are back ! |
| 22:39.19 | n4mu | I spoke to soon, they both showed up once, and now they are gone. (will check with other user account) |
| 22:41.32 | n4mu | Okay, I can't reproduce the error with my other user, but I can here. Alt-F2 works on first launch, then it just doesn't work. |
| 22:42.20 | JanKusanagi | and after it stops working, is "krunner" still running? |
| 22:42.40 | n4mu | JanKusanagi: yes |
| 22:43.12 | n4mu | I think I am going to give up on this for tonight, I'm getting quite tired (it's late here).. |
| 22:43.48 | JanKusanagi | ok |
| 22:44.04 | n4mu | It's very strange, I've never seen something like this.. This is why I chose deb/stable, to avoid strange things appearing, well, they finally got me : ] |
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| 22:44.22 | JanKusanagi | bytnrm: this is on Planet KDE: https://blog.neon.kde.org/index.php/2018/05/22/time-to-test-plasma-5-13-beta/ |
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| 23:52.29 | ic2000 | how do i move a windows at the bottom |
| 23:52.33 | ic2000 | e.g. left or right |
| 23:54.29 | JanKusanagi | ? |
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| 23:56.10 | ic2000 | JanKusanagi: ? |
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| 23:57.09 | JanKusanagi | I don't know about the others, but I don't understand your question |