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| 09:21.47 | n4mu | Hello #kde.. |
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| 09:23.09 | n4mu | I've had this on my todo, strangely -> How do I simply disable KDE/Plasma notification sounds ? (if that's still possible). I'm asking if there's a one button solution so that I can disable/enable depending on mood (or where I'm at, like on the train or at home, etc). Cheers for any help/links/ and invitations for me to RTFM. : ] |
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| 09:34.19 | oprypin | n4mu, in volume control there's "event sounds" |
| 09:39.19 | n4mu | oprypin: thanks. I just noticed on one of my computers, I've got the menu you speak of, on the other, not. I'm guessing I might have to install kmix ? |
| 09:39.58 | oprypin | n4mu, well yeah, 'kmix' is what i use |
| 09:40.23 | oprypin | there's also a slight possibility that the "event sounds" thing doesnt appear before at least one such sound has played |
| 09:40.37 | n4mu | So without kmix, not is possible.. .. Noted. |
| 09:41.01 | oprypin | i dont know that |
| 09:41.11 | n4mu | I have to say, I'm a KDE user since 2003, the recent versions have these things that make me feel a bit lost sometimes |
| 09:41.32 | oprypin | im just saying, right now i have kmix running, and right now i have the "event sounds" category |
| 09:42.02 | n4mu | I've always disable sys-sounds (with one click or something like that) and since the latest version, I'm a bit at loss and have promised myself to figure it out.. but also, that this kind of thing should be easy for a lambda user.. |
| 09:42.06 | n4mu | oprypin: okay. |
| 09:42.53 | n4mu | I've the same as you one of of my computers (an older one that was upgraded through at least 2 previous versions of Debian) and a newer one that doesn't have kmix and that doesn't have an option to disable syssounds.. |
| 09:43.08 | oprypin | n4mu, i think you can also right click on that category and select shortcuts |
| 09:44.40 | n4mu | Same goes for kdeaccessiblity thing. I'd like to remove that thing, but anyway. Enough ranting, I love KDE, but KDE/Plasma, iot' |
| 09:45.00 | n4mu | Same goes for kdeaccessiblity thing. I'd like to remove that thing, but anyway. Enough ranting, I love KDE, but KDE/Plasma, it's just that some things have become complicated or fiddly./.. |
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| 09:48.41 | n4mu | (BTW, I have "notification sounds" at zero volume, yet when I unplug the charger I still get a loud notification sounds |
| 09:48.44 | n4mu | s/s// |
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| 10:02.24 | n4mu | oprypin: strangely, I tried using Kmix, doesn't seem to have any effect. |
| 10:02.34 | n4mu | What backend are you using ? |
| 10:03.16 | n4mu | It seems that perhaps, the default backend, phonon VLC, doesn't "work". Some suggest changing that to gstreamer. |
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| 10:09.56 | n4mu | (if anyone is interested, I figured out a way that worksforme, but not for my friend' |
| 10:10.16 | n4mu | (if anyone is interested, I figured out a way that worksforme, but not for my friend's computer: mv /usr/sounds/ /usr/no_sounds ) |
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| 14:39.20 | Tibertiues | Hi, Is it possible to bind a key for simply toggling the "auto hide" option for the default panel? |
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| 14:40.39 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 14:44.14 | oprypin | Tibertiues, lol only if you make a script to modify ~/.config/plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc and restart plasmashell |
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| 15:06.47 | Tibertiues | oprypin: Thanks! I'll try that on my sparetime :) |
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| 15:11.57 | rindolf | BluesKaj: hi, sup? |
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| 15:13.05 | BluesKaj | hey rindolf. not much, morning coffee as usual,. How about you? |
| 15:14.00 | rindolf | BluesKaj: i released new versions of some of my foss projects |
| 15:14.12 | rindolf | BluesKaj: and also see https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/fc-solve-discuss/conversations/messages/1575 |
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| 15:26.51 | BluesKaj | rindolf, cool :-) |
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| 19:22.33 | elichai2 | Hey |
| 19:22.56 | elichai2 | Is there a solution for a 4K laptop with an external 1080p display for different scaling for each display? |
| 19:25.04 | phoenix_firebrd | elichai2: its not like that now? |
| 19:25.22 | phoenix_firebrd | elichai2: what happens when you use a projector? |
| 19:25.24 | elichai2 | no. if you change scaling it gets changed for all of the display |
| 19:25.41 | elichai2 | good question. I guess everything will be huge |
| 19:25.42 | phoenix_firebrd | elichai2: let me check |
| 19:26.57 | phoenix_firebrd | elichai2: there are some related work done to address the dpi issues recently, I think its added to wayland. Have you tried wayland? |
| 19:27.44 | elichai2 | hmm no, i'm on 5.10 |
| 19:28.05 | asturm | elichai2: there is no solution as long as you are running X. and as long as you are running 5.10 there is no way you can productively try out wayland |
| 19:28.29 | elichai2 | is wayland on Kubuntu 18.04? |
| 19:28.31 | phoenix_firebrd | elichai2: sorry I cant check this issue at the moment. I guess you dont see any separate option to choose set the resolution per display, am I right? |
| 19:28.43 | elichai2 | if so maybe i'll try it as soon as it will get released |
| 19:28.53 | elichai2 | phoenix_firebrd: your'e right |
| 19:29.10 | elichai2 | I need to choose between everything tiny on my laptop or everything huge on my 2 external displays |
| 19:29.35 | phoenix_firebrd | elichai2: give wayland a shot. Yes wayland is available in 18.04, also in 17.10 |
| 19:29.50 | elichai2 | wait, I am in 17.10 |
| 19:30.23 | phoenix_firebrd | elichai2: I think you need to install wayland session and it will pull all the required dependency package with it |
| 19:30.35 | asturm | elichai2: and with that information I refer you back to my words |
| 19:30.41 | phoenix_firebrd | elichai2: after which you need to logout and select a wayland session |
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| 19:30.59 | elichai2 | asturm: but he says it might be possible to try wayland on 17.10 |
| 19:31.07 | asturm | try yes |
| 19:31.09 | asturm | use not |
| 19:31.18 | asturm | for that you want latest *anything |
| 19:32.11 | elichai2 | asturm: why not use? |
| 19:32.11 | asturm | so kubuntu 18.04 would make much more sense there, presumably it is in a usable state at this point |
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| 19:32.32 | elichai2 | I can wait a while |
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| 19:33.06 | asturm | elichai2: not use because bugs |
| 19:33.11 | elichai2 | is there a good guide to change X11 into wayland? that I can use when 18.04 comes out? (and I have a friend on Arch with 5.12 who wants to try) |
| 19:33.31 | asturm | there's not really anything to do for that, you just select the other session |
| 19:33.33 | elichai2 | wayland isn't production ready? or just not meant to be used with 5.10? |
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| 19:33.49 | asturm | elichai2: it's not even ready with 5.12 but still much better than with 5.10 |
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| 19:34.21 | asturm | versions of qt and frameworks are another matter, the latter brought new improvements with 5.44 |
| 19:34.45 | elichai2 | ok. and with Wayland do I need to do anything specific to make the scaling works after installing wayland? |
| 19:34.51 | phoenix_firebrd | elichai2: wayland can be used for day to day use, but not for work. Its just that some of the applications still depend on x11 and that they dont behave well with wayland nicely |
| 19:35.13 | asturm | phoenix_firebrd: those applications run fine using xwayland |
| 19:35.21 | asturm | except copy-paste issues :) |
| 19:35.28 | phoenix_firebrd | asturm: sorry, i disagree |
| 19:35.43 | phoenix_firebrd | asturm: for example vbox doesnt behave well |
| 19:35.43 | asturm | it gets worse with kmail and systemsettings crashing under wayland |
| 19:35.58 | asturm | but does vbox ever behave well? |
| 19:36.00 | seijikun | asturm: KMail also crashes with X11 :D |
| 19:36.07 | phoenix_firebrd | asturm: :) |
| 19:37.46 | phoenix_firebrd | elichai2: https://askubuntu.com/questions/909565/how-to-get-a-wayland-session-in-kubuntu |
| 19:37.54 | phoenix_firebrd | elichai2: checkout the above link |
| 19:38.17 | asturm | that all said I can't wait to try out wayland session current qt-5.11 with frameworks/plasma master branches on my system back home |
| 19:38.41 | phoenix_firebrd | me too |
| 19:38.45 | elichai2 | ok. Thanks! |
| 19:38.57 | phoenix_firebrd | yw |
| 19:39.03 | elichai2 | I hope wayland will be pretty stable in 18.04 and I could use it (it's my work laptop) |
| 19:39.24 | asturm | elichai2: https://community.kde.org/Plasma/5.12_Errata#Wayland |
| 19:40.39 | elichai2 | Wayland got no support for touch screens? |
| 19:40.53 | LazyGnoll | there's also https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland_Showstoppers |
| 19:42.09 | phoenix_firebrd | I am just thinking of using wayland on a daily basis. Its just the the size changing cursor was annoying, I guess that dpi bug was fixed, we have to wait another 100 years before we see that change downstream |
| 19:42.45 | elichai2 | LazyGnoll: according to this Wayland sound like it still suck |
| 19:43.17 | phoenix_firebrd | ok somebody is getting mad now :'D |
| 19:43.25 | asturm | depends which of those affect you |
| 19:43.52 | asturm | but yes it is a work in progress |
| 19:44.08 | seijikun | elichai2: Wayland in general doesn't have anything to do with touch screens as far as I know. But the KWin implementation using Wayland does not yet support them. |
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| 21:16.35 | misch | hi, I need some help with kwallet. Anybody here to help? |
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| 21:18.32 | phoenix_firebrd | misch: hi |
| 21:18.52 | phoenix_firebrd | misch: what about kwallet |
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| 21:19.08 | misch | hi, I upgraded my ubuntu from 14.04 to 16.04. kwallet now is empty. |
| 21:19.21 | misch | thank for helping me. |
| 21:19.38 | misch | I read a lot in the internet but nothing seems to help. |
| 21:20.13 | misch | original version of kwallet: 4.13.2 |
| 21:20.14 | phoenix_firebrd | misch: I need to check if kwallet needs to be migrated after the upgrade, can you wait? |
| 21:20.21 | misch | yes. |
| 21:20.26 | phoenix_firebrd | ok |
| 21:20.51 | misch | in .kde/share/apps/kwallet there is a kwl and a .salt file. |
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| 21:21.18 | phoenix_firebrd | misch: is this you? https://askubuntu.com/questions/772349/upgraded-to-16-04-and-kwallet-now-empty |
| 21:21.23 | misch | yes. |
| 21:21.30 | misch | sorry. no. |
| 21:21.36 | misch | but I read it. |
| 21:21.52 | phoenix_firebrd | misch: that didn't work? |
| 21:21.55 | asturm | migration happens automatically if the old kwalletd daemon is present. but iirc migration never worked with a salted file... |
| 21:22.24 | phoenix_firebrd | asturm: is that a know bug? |
| 21:22.30 | misch | so I lost my passwords? |
| 21:22.33 | asturm | I think so |
| 21:22.37 | misch | f.... |
| 21:22.40 | asturm | misch: they are still there, in old format |
| 21:22.47 | misch | ok. how to access it |
| 21:22.57 | asturm | misch: you would need kwalletmanager(4) for that |
| 21:23.12 | misch | I already created a virtual machine with the old ubuntu and copied the files over. |
| 21:23.14 | asturm | that enables you to open the old one, export to xml, then import the xml with kwalletmanager5 |
| 21:24.28 | misch | when I want to access the data it says: error opening the wallet 'kdewallet'. Please try again. Erro code: 42. |
| 21:25.52 | misch | How can I open the wallet on an ubuntu 14.04 system? |
| 21:26.33 | phoenix_firebrd | using kwalletmanager? |
| 21:26.40 | misch | yes. |
| 21:27.07 | phoenix_firebrd | misch: do you have kwalletmanager installed in 14.04? |
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| 21:27.17 | misch | yes. |
| 21:27.45 | phoenix_firebrd | misch: then like asturm said, open kwalletmanager and export the data to a xml file |
| 21:28.03 | misch | I copied the kwl and salt files from my backup to .kde/share/apps/kwallet of my new ("old") machine. |
| 21:28.27 | misch | but kwalletmanager woun't open the files. |
| 21:28.46 | phoenix_firebrd | misch: your new("old")machine is 14.04? |
| 21:28.50 | misch | yes. |
| 21:29.00 | phoenix_firebrd | misch: do you see any error message? |
| 21:29.27 | phoenix_firebrd | asturm: does kwallet system use mysql as backend? |
| 21:29.49 | asturm | phoenix_firebrd: nope, file based |
| 21:30.25 | misch | error opening the wallet 'kdewallet'. Please try again. Error code 42. |
| 21:31.02 | asturm | misch: did you check if kubuntu provides kwalletmanager(4) in addition to kwalletmanager5? |
| 21:31.16 | misch | how to check? |
| 21:31.18 | asturm | that should enable you to open it from your current system |
| 21:31.22 | asturm | using your package manager? |
| 21:31.36 | misch | dpkg -l | grep kwallet says: |
| 21:32.13 | misch | 4.13.2 on the old system. |
| 21:33.17 | misch | 4:15.12.3 on the new system. |
| 21:33.56 | asturm | none else? |
| 21:34.00 | misch | no |
| 21:34.05 | phoenix_firebrd | misch: are the debug messages enabled using kdebugdialog? |
| 21:34.14 | misch | no. How to do this? |
| 21:34.43 | phoenix_firebrd | misch: just type kdebugdialog in kicker |
| 21:34.45 | asturm | misch: that's bad, because without kwalletd4 there can be no migration to 5. |
| 21:35.15 | asturm | you've had to have them running in parallel |
| 21:35.21 | misch | wait a moment. |
| 21:36.28 | misch | where cna I see the debug output? |
| 21:36.56 | misch | I enabled #285 (wallet) in kdedebug, but I do not see any output. |
| 21:37.37 | phoenix_firebrd | misch: is there anything called kwalletmanager in kdebugdialog? |
| 21:37.53 | phoenix_firebrd | misch: have you tried what asturm said? |
| 21:37.54 | misch | no |
| 21:38.57 | misch | phoenix_firebird: as far as I understood, he sugested exporting the data as XML in the old version of kwalletmanager and importing the xml in the new version. |
| 21:39.06 | misch | But I cannot access the data in the old version. |
| 21:39.16 | phoenix_firebrd | misch: use tab for nick completion |
| 21:40.37 | phoenix_firebrd | misch: type p and press tab, rest of the nickname will be auto completed, if its not the nick desired then press tab till you get the nick |
| 21:41.32 | phoenix_firebrd | misch: Its been a long time I stopped using kwallet and kjots. I need to see I could something |
| 21:42.11 | misch | thanks. |
| 21:45.03 | Shaniz | is there a way to tweak the touchpad from kde? |
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| 21:47.17 | oprypin | Shaniz, yeah if synaptics driver is used and touchpad kcm is available (usually is) |
| 21:59.48 | Shaniz | i'm coping a file from smb to local in dolphin, where do I see the progression? |
| 22:00.33 | oprypin | Shaniz, does dolphin display the address as smb:// ? |
| 22:00.41 | oprypin | Shaniz, you're supposed to see it in the notification area |
| 22:01.33 | Shaniz | oprypin, yes, dolphin shows my remote directory as smb:// |
| 22:01.44 | oprypin | Shaniz, so it should just work |
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| 22:01.52 | Shaniz | it's copying |
| 22:02.07 | Shaniz | i can see increasing the local file size |
| 22:02.23 | Shaniz | but IN dolphin nothing is moving nor indicating the progress |
| 22:02.33 | oprypin | Shaniz, you need to look at the plasma shell / system tray / notification area |
| 22:02.44 | oprypin | there's a number in a small circle |
| 22:02.53 | Shaniz | oh yes |
| 22:02.55 | Shaniz | ! |
| 22:03.01 | Shaniz | it's so small in there |
| 22:03.09 | Shaniz | hellooo you little guy! :D |
| 22:03.44 | Shaniz | thank you oprypin |
| 22:03.54 | oprypin | Shaniz, did you figure oout touchpad stuff? |
| 22:04.39 | Shaniz | no, i found a bunch of confusing tutorials and i got nowhere |
| 22:04.50 | oprypin | Shaniz, what's your distro? |
| 22:05.09 | Shaniz | i'm on solus and a dell precision m6800 |
| 22:05.09 | phoenix_firebrd | misch: are you there? |
| 22:05.19 | oprypin | Shaniz, solus eww, no wonder it doesnt work |
| 22:05.31 | Shaniz | solus best in town |
| 22:06.07 | oprypin | Shaniz, "in town" maybe but there are like 100000 towns in the world |
| 22:06.30 | Shaniz | the linux town! :D |
| 22:06.46 | Shaniz | btw, touchpad is working, it's just too sensible on the edge |
| 22:07.06 | Shaniz | not even sure if i'm running synaptics or not |
| 22:07.15 | Shaniz | and if i even have to run synaptics |
| 22:08.00 | oprypin | nobody knows |
| 22:08.21 | oprypin | Shaniz, how long have you been using Solus? |
| 22:08.30 | Shaniz | from january |
| 22:08.36 | Shaniz | no major issue |
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| 22:08.46 | oprypin | well... no comment then, i guess |
| 22:08.51 | Shaniz | i just want to see if i can tweak this behaviour |
| 22:09.12 | oprypin | i told you |
| 22:09.27 | Shaniz | kde is a more recent discovery |
| 22:09.37 | Shaniz | less than a month |
| 22:09.42 | oprypin | Shaniz, https://www.google.com/search?q=synaptics+touch+pad+kde+kcm&tbm=isch |
| 22:09.44 | Shaniz | and it's a pleasure to use it |
| 22:09.58 | Shaniz | very mysterious sometimes, but a pleasure |
| 22:10.20 | Shaniz | what is "kcm"? |
| 22:11.43 | oprypin | KConfig Module / System Settings Module |
| 22:13.19 | Shaniz | ok, I found the panel but, unfortunately, kde can't let me tweak the "rumor cancellation" or whathever is called in english (i have kde localized) |
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| 22:13.55 | oprypin | Shaniz, well, it doesnt let you tweak anything, right? |
| 22:14.36 | Shaniz | i can set the speed, acceleration, 1,2,3 finger touch behavior... simple stuff |
| 22:14.46 | Shaniz | wow |
| 22:15.04 | oprypin | [23:47:16] <oprypin> Shaniz, yeah if synaptics driver is used and touchpad kcm is available (usually is) |
| 22:15.49 | Shaniz | oh, i'm sorry oprypin , i didn't see your message |
| 22:16.11 | oprypin | i think you did, you mentioned synaptics too |
| 22:16.40 | Shaniz | yes, because I knew from the tutorials it has something to do to touchpads |
| 22:16.44 | Shaniz | like libinput |
| 22:17.07 | Shaniz | and i have synaptics installed but I don't know if it's loaded/configured |
| 22:19.50 | Shaniz | I just found that you can configure some actions to the touchpad corners |
| 22:19.50 | Shaniz | wow |
| 22:20.00 | Shaniz | unfortunately it's not configurable for me |
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| 22:20.48 | oprypin | Shaniz, did you just install synaptics or did you already have it installed? |
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| 22:21.03 | oprypin | Shaniz, do you have libinput installed? may have to remove it |
| 22:21.23 | ivantv | Hello, Im using manjaro with kde plasma, how do I remove the trash icon from the desktop, it wont let me click on it |
| 22:21.24 | Shaniz | i'll check |
| 22:21.55 | Shaniz | yes, i have libinput installed also |
| 22:22.02 | oprypin | ivantv, have you tried holding the mouse button for a while on it? |
| 22:22.13 | Shaniz | it's a requirements for kde desktop package |
| 22:22.17 | oprypin | Shaniz, oh nevermind, i think you can't remove it. yeah |
| 22:22.44 | ivantv | oprypin: I tried now and it doesnt do anything |
| 22:23.24 | oprypin | ivantv, right click on desktop and unlock widgets? |
| 22:23.39 | ivantv | they are unlocked |
| 22:24.22 | oprypin | right click on desktop -> tweaks -> uncheck "press and hold ... " |
| 22:24.34 | oprypin | right click on desktop -> configure desktop -> tweaks -> uncheck "press and hold ... " |
| 22:25.20 | ivantv | didnt work |
| 22:25.26 | ivantv | I think it might be a bug |
| 22:25.54 | oprypin | ivantv, how can it not work omg |
| 22:25.59 | oprypin | post some screenshot please |
| 22:26.38 | Shaniz | i removed synaptic, i'll restart the session |
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| 22:29.17 | oprypin | !?!?!? |
| 22:29.33 | Shaniz | nothing changed, it's possible that I was using libinput from the start |
| 22:29.37 | ivantv | https://imgur.com/a/By2d7 |
| 22:29.51 | Shaniz | oh well, I'll keep as is for a while |
| 22:30.00 | Shaniz | thank you very much oprypin |
| 22:30.12 | ivantv | the icon is just there and I cant click on it, but If I try to put other icon in its place it moves it |
| 22:30.20 | oprypin | Shaniz, i told you to *select* synaptics, that's the opposite of what you did |
| 22:31.10 | oprypin | ivantv, rightclick -> configure. Layout: Desktop |
| 22:31.33 | Shaniz | well this is embarassing |
| 22:31.44 | Shaniz | where do I have to select synaptics? |
| 22:31.55 | oprypin | i dont know |
| 22:32.08 | Shaniz | not in kcm |
| 22:32.11 | ivantv | ok that fixed it |
| 22:32.14 | ivantv | thank you |
| 22:32.18 | Shaniz | I didn't found such option |
| 22:32.32 | Shaniz | it's very possible I have to manually configure x |
| 22:32.41 | ivantv | mmm now both my monitors are black except for the irc client |
| 22:32.51 | Shaniz | but I don't know if it's worth |
| 22:33.48 | oprypin | ivantv, you may have to go to settings and reconfigure it |
| 22:34.14 | ivantv | I cant do anything, Im gonna try restart the pc |
| 22:34.36 | oprypin | why do people use broken distros T_T |
| 22:35.01 | Shaniz | what do you use? |
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| 22:35.46 | oprypin | i use arch btw |
| 22:37.31 | Shaniz | yes, I understand why you loathe solus |
| 22:37.59 | Shaniz | you see us as the old granpa with the cup of thea and the plad over the legs |
| 22:38.06 | Shaniz | plaid |
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| 22:38.22 | oprypin | no it's actually just broken |
| 22:38.47 | Shaniz | so it's like arch when you upgrade <g> |
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| 22:43.13 | seijikun | You should never bite the hand that feeds you, Shaniz :D |
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| 22:44.24 | Shaniz | yes seijikun , my mistake |
| 22:44.44 | Shaniz | ;) |
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| 22:55.16 | Shaniz | time to go |
| 22:55.22 | Shaniz | thanks for the help oprypin |
| 22:55.28 | Shaniz | goodnite! |
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| 23:28.21 | Taoki | Anyone else having trouble with the weather widget not working? It feels like Plasma can't connect to the internet or something... though everything else works fine of course. |
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| 23:28.46 | j605 | Taoki: it was fixed recently |
| 23:29.09 | Taoki | Ah... thanks. Just need to wait for the update then (openSUSE Tumbleweed). |
| 23:29.16 | j605 | someone mentioned there was a problem with bbc weather changing their urls or so |
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