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| 02:35.52 | cberg | wow this was weird. earlier today I enabled the 'Show FPS' desktop effect to check it out, then disabled it again. now a few hours the widget randomly appears again displaying the FPS chart in the top right corner. then it disappears again... ghosts? |
| 02:36.09 | cberg | now a few hours later* I mean |
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| 03:52.00 | cmdrkotori | Hi, how do I tell Qt to make 32bit color depth windows in a kwin_wayland session rather than 16? It appears that plasma is using a 32bit display but ordinary Qt windows are using 16bit. I am on Arch. https://github.com/cmdrkotori/mpc-qt/issues/164 |
| 03:57.19 | cmdrkotori | This also happens in system settings. https://imgur.com/a/3v2hs |
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| 07:29.54 | shtrb|laptop | Good morning |
| 07:31.08 | shtrb|laptop | anyone have an idea how to setup kio-gdrive for shared drive ? |
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| 08:11.53 | aleksander | anyone remembers where can i find setting that allows closing window with double click on app icon in title bar? |
| 08:12.27 | shtrb|laptop | systemsetting and decorations ? |
| 08:13.00 | shtrb|laptop | systemsettings->window decorations |
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| 08:13.25 | shtrb|laptop | aleksander, ^ |
| 08:17.13 | shtrb|laptop | anyone about the kio-gdrive question ? |
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| 08:22.31 | aleksander | shtrb|laptop Thank you. been looking for ages! (also there, but i missed it ;) ) |
| 08:22.54 | shtrb|laptop | np |
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| 08:25.13 | shtrb|laptop | Anyone here using google drive with kio ? |
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| 10:19.18 | shtrb|laptop | Anyone about the KIO gdrive question ? |
| 10:19.39 | asturm | shtrb|laptop: what question? |
| 10:20.50 | shtrb|laptop | first thing good morning astrum :) |
| 10:21.14 | asturm | good morning |
| 10:21.29 | shtrb|laptop | And next , how can I access a shared google drive in gdrive ? |
| 10:21.46 | shtrb|laptop | I can see mine , with gdrive:/ but the ones shared with me |
| 10:22.05 | shtrb|laptop | is missing |
| 10:22.11 | asturm | I use a shared one as a subfolder of my personal one |
| 10:22.42 | shtrb|laptop | you did something on the interface (google web site) ? or something else |
| 10:23.24 | shtrb|laptop | I don't see any indication to the shared drive with kio |
| 10:23.25 | asturm | I don't remember, actually |
| 10:23.29 | shtrb|laptop | thanks |
| 10:23.51 | asturm | it seems I added it as a subfolder somehow |
| 10:24.04 | asturm | and that made it available to gdrive as well |
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| 10:24.29 | shtrb|laptop | If anything , I'm using the built from git (commit fa68a420fc477537b69b877ddeb1261643dd1f00) version |
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| 10:27.15 | asturm | that does not seem to make much difference compared to 1.2.1 |
| 10:27.40 | shtrb|laptop | I think it could be some stupid setting I need to write in some .rc file |
| 10:27.56 | shtrb|laptop | just don't know where |
| 10:27.58 | asturm | locally this just worked |
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| 10:28.38 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
| 10:28.43 | shtrb|laptop | I see , thanks , will continue waiting maybe there will be someone who remember what he setup initially |
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| 14:35.31 | matteo | hi all |
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| 15:02.30 | jfmcarreira | heyyy guys. Where do i enable transparency globally? |
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| 15:08.00 | BCMM | jfmcarreira: it might help to elaborate on what exactly that means |
| 15:08.16 | BCMM | i mean, if everything was transparent, how would you see what you were doing? |
| 15:08.29 | jfmcarreira | e.g., I do not have transparency in konsole but it is activated in bash profile |
| 15:08.57 | jfmcarreira | BCMM: i also think that plasma launcher was semi transparent and now it is not |
| 15:09.21 | BCMM | jfmcarreira: you use your bash profile to turn on transparency? why? |
| 15:09.25 | jankusanagi_ | you seem to have compositing disabled |
| 15:09.38 | jankusanagi_ | BCMM: I guess he means Konsole's profiles |
| 15:09.47 | BCMM | jfmcarreira: do you mean transparency is on in konsole, and you use your profile to enable *blur*? |
| 15:09.53 | jankusanagi_ | nothing to do with GNU Bash though |
| 15:10.40 | BCMM | jankusanagi_: there's a common .bashrc hack to make konsole's transparent background blurred |
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| 15:11.03 | BCMM | jankusanagi_: by setting _KDE_NET_WM_BLUR_BEHIND_REGION on all running konsole windows every time konsole starts |
| 15:11.13 | BCMM | which is why i think he might be conflating transparency and blur |
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| 15:12.05 | jankusanagi_ | ok, but I think he still means the transparency setting in the appearance tab of a profile configuration |
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| 15:12.31 | jankusanagi_ | and also doesn't have transparency in the launcher, so probably doesn't have working compositing |
| 15:12.58 | BCMM | well, unless he comes back, we may never know :) |
| 15:13.44 | jfmcarreira | yeah i think the problem should in the compositing side. |
| 15:14.10 | jfmcarreira | this happen after I deleted my home folder configs. when i was settings then back i was able to get transparency |
| 15:14.13 | jfmcarreira | but now I cant |
| 15:14.22 | jankusanagi_ | so go to the Compositor section of Plasma's System Settings and check it out =) |
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| 15:14.41 | jankusanagi_ | this is why I always suggest renaming/moving configs, NOT deleting :D |
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| 15:15.04 | jfmcarreira | jankusanagi_: actually I moved them :D |
| 15:15.31 | jfmcarreira | actually now i noticed that I have transparency when i move windows |
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| 15:44.38 | prillian5 | Is there a way to preset in which style date will be returnd from `kdialoge --calendar "Choose Date"`? |
| 15:45.07 | jankusanagi_ | ah, then you do have compositing |
| 15:45.46 | jankusanagi_ | prillian5: probably setting LC_TIME=something in front of the kdialog call |
| 15:46.46 | prillian5 | @jankusangi_: Thank you. Which setting would you recommend to get date like "2018-01-01 15:12:00" |
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| 15:49.15 | jankusanagi_ | yep, definitely, setting LC_TIME affects kdialog's console output |
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| 15:49.49 | jankusanagi_ | no need for @'s here, and on most IRC clients, just enterig the first letters of a nickname and pressing TAB will autocomplete it for you |
| 15:52.11 | prillian5 | jankusanagi_: so I have to change it to needed one, and change it back, after process is finished? |
| 15:52.35 | prillian5 | Would be nice, if there could be a parameter for --calender to do this directly by kdialog |
| 15:53.38 | prillian5 | LC_TIME is currently not set (Manjaro Linux). Is this ok? |
| 15:53.43 | jankusanagi_ | well, what I said was calling "LC_TIME=something kdialog --calendar SomeTitle, all in one go |
| 15:53.53 | jankusanagi_ | and then LC_TIME is only changed for that one call |
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| 15:56.16 | prillian5 | Ahh, ok, I thought you meant export, if you say "set LC_TIME" |
| 15:56.47 | prillian5 | Ok, but same problem |
| 15:56.59 | prillian5 | I got something like "Tue Mar 13 2018" |
| 15:57.25 | prillian5 | but need only digits "2018-03-13" |
| 15:57.46 | jankusanagi_ | I guess you'll need to make a feature request to KDialog for that |
| 15:57.52 | tosky | or the date command can probably reformat it |
| 15:58.14 | prillian5 | @tosky how would this work? |
| 15:58.26 | jankusanagi_ | true, that could be piped |
| 15:58.43 | prillian5 | I won't be able to know which language the user choosed, so the date may differ |
| 15:59.23 | prillian5 | I plan to create an dolphin-plugin which give you a Calendar-Dialoge to reset the file-date (created at) to the given Date. |
| 16:01.33 | tosky | a dolphin plugin written in bash? |
| 16:01.44 | jankusanagi_ | then probably best to use actual library calls than running a binary program |
| 16:02.31 | tosky | do you mean the actions available with a right click? |
| 16:04.42 | prillian5 | tosky: yes, only a .desktop-File with exec command |
| 16:04.50 | prillian5 | yes |
| 16:04.55 | prillian5 | actions, not plugins ^^ |
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| 16:07.47 | prillian5 | how can I pipe the return-value to date -d ? |
| 16:08.48 | tosky | DD=$(LANG=C kdialog --calendar "Choose Date" ); date -d"${DD}" +%Y-%m-%d |
| 16:09.16 | tosky | but that breaks if cancel is chosen |
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| 16:09.31 | tosky | so you may need an if |
| 16:19.06 | prillian5 | Whats with an xarg -r, may this prevent a break, if cancel date-dialog? |
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| 16:20.58 | prillian5 | I've tried this: kdialog --calendar "Datum eingeben" | xargs -d'\n' date +%Y%m%d -d{}\; |
| 16:21.09 | prillian5 | but got : date: extra operand 'Tue Mar 13 2018' |
| 16:21.32 | tosky | never used xargs that way |
| 16:21.37 | tosky | so I don't know |
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| 16:23.12 | tosky | `date` only takes the input from -d |
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| 16:25.53 | rdieter | prillian5: take out the trailing {}\; |
| 16:26.42 | prillian5 | rdieter: nice, that was the solution. thanks a lot (also thanks to jankusanagi_ & tosky) |
| 16:27.32 | prillian5 | Is there a way with kdialoge to choose a "time" via --calendar? |
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| 17:02.18 | j0hannes_ | Hi guys. I have a problem with a multi-monitor setup; in fact, I have several problems, but this is the most annoying one: When an external screen is connected, I can close the laptop |
| 17:03.14 | j0hannes_ | the panel, however, stays on the (inactive) laptop screen. The only way to get it back, is to open the laptop, make it primary and then make the other screen primary again |
| 17:03.47 | j0hannes_ | any idea, why the panel won't stay on the external screen? |
| 17:05.09 | prillian5 | @tosky, @rdieter: Currently I have this line: Exec=touch -t $(LANG=c kdialog --calendar "Datum eingeben" | xargs -d'\n' date +%Y%m%d -d)"0000" ./%f" |
| 17:05.36 | prillian5 | but I got an error like "error in exec" |
| 17:05.59 | prillian5 | You see whats the issue may be |
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| 17:07.11 | jankusanagi_ | looks like some quote signs are not well paired |
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| 17:20.47 | prillian5 | how do I reinit the .desktop-actions for dolphin? Seems to be only luck if it is new loaded. Seems the .deskotp-files are cached?!! |
| 17:21.22 | tosky | maybe calling kbuildsycoca5 should be enough |
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| 17:29.00 | prillian5 | ok, thank you. I'm nearly done, but still got an error. |
| 17:29.13 | prillian5 | If I execute this at cli, it work: touch -t "$(LANG=c kdialog --calendar "Datum eingeben" | xargs -d'\n' date +%Y%m%d -d)0000" "$(pwd)/%f" |
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| 17:30.03 | prillian5 | If I use this in Exec, I got "bad date: 2018/tmp/0000" |
| 17:35.19 | prillian5 | tosky: jankusanagi_: I didn't see why, you have a hint for me? |
| 17:36.36 | tosky | when things start to be messy with quoting, it's always complicated |
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| 17:42.37 | rdieter | prillian5: I'd put that command in a shell script, and call the script bia Exec= , I don't think you can do those shell tricks in an Exec= line, at least not portably |
| 17:43.05 | rdieter | s/bia/via/ |
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| 18:01.30 | Bethany | Could someone possibly help me fix a stupid thing I did to my KDE right click menu (I googled how to fix it and no love) :( |
| 18:03.42 | jankusanagi_ | possibly; just ask |
| 18:03.43 | yann-kaelig | k3b has been ported to KDE Framework/Qt5 ? |
| 18:03.48 | rdieter | yann-kaelig: yes |
| 18:03.50 | jankusanagi_ | yes, it was |
| 18:03.54 | yann-kaelig | thx |
| 18:04.03 | rdieter | yann-kaelig: inclueded in kde-applications 17.12.x releases |
| 18:04.11 | tosky | tons of releases ago |
| 18:04.30 | Bethany | How can I get the right click menu back on my desktop? I accidentally made it an application menu and I also got rid of the thingy menu in the corner. I can't find anything on google to get it back :/ |
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| 18:05.23 | rdieter | Bethany: how did you make it an application menu? |
| 18:05.42 | rdieter | didn't know that was possible |
| 18:06.15 | Bethany | I don't know what the technical name is, I'm sorry it gives me a compact list of all my install apps. I meant to make that middle click and stupidly made it right click lol |
| 18:07.12 | Bethany | But I did it with the configure desktop that was in my former right click menu, and obviously that's not there now because I'm a bonehead |
| 18:07.54 | Fuchs | you can likely fix that somewhere in the config file, let me see if I can find it, otherwise ask #plasma :) |
| 18:08.39 | Bethany | Fuchs, thank you so much :) |
| 18:09.52 | Bethany | Now since I've not used IRC in years, how to get identified so I can enter #plasma.. LOL |
| 18:09.57 | Fuchs | Bethany: yeah, open ~/.config/plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc with your favourite texteditor, then close plasma |
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| 18:10.10 | Fuchs | (kquitapp plasmashell or if that doesn't work: killall plasmashell) |
| 18:10.15 | Fuchs | then you look for something like |
| 18:10.30 | Fuchs | [ActionPlugins][0] |
| 18:10.31 | Fuchs | MidButton;NoModifier=switchwindow |
| 18:10.33 | Fuchs | RightButton;NoModifier=org.kde.contextmenu |
| 18:10.46 | Fuchs | and you change the RightButton one from whatever it currently says to that (org.kde.contextmenu) |
| 18:11.02 | Fuchs | then you restart plasma (if you have a shell open somewhere: plasmashell & disown, otherwise just restart) |
| 18:11.28 | Fuchs | Bethany: on how to registeR: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration (basically /msg nickserv help register) |
| 18:11.45 | Fuchs | note that your current nick is taken (technically expired though), so maybe you should choose a different one beforehand |
| 18:12.05 | Bethany | I didn't feel especially creative so I just used my name, lol. |
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| 18:12.41 | Fuchs | yeah, someone had the same idea 11 years ago and registered it :p |
| 18:13.06 | Fuchs | not been around for 15 weeks though, hence the expired. Anyway, the above should fix it, so no need / hurry to register here |
| 18:14.44 | Bethany | Fuchs, thank you so so so much! |
| 18:14.49 | Fuchs | you're welcome |
| 18:15.24 | yann-kaelig | All new kde-application use this new number versionning starting with 17 ? and why this number ? |
| 18:15.44 | Fuchs | year then month, some distributions do it, it is sane, for the next 100 years |
| 18:15.56 | Fuchs | and all applications that are released as part of the kde application release cycle, yes |
| 18:16.49 | asturm | yann-kaelig: applications part of the bundle may continue with their internal versioning |
| 18:16.58 | jankusanagi_ | apparently there's no way to show the Desktop Settings dialog via Dbus :\ |
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| 18:17.29 | Fuchs | it could make sense to place that somewhere in a kcm so you can't end up in the situation Bethany ended up in |
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| 18:17.48 | asturm | yann-kaelig: but the packages use bundle versioning |
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| 18:18.42 | jankusanagi_ | yes, weirdly enough it's not a KCM, or registerd as such, apparently |
| 18:19.06 | jankusanagi_ | also, PlasmaShell allows several things via DBus interface, but not making that dialog appear |
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| 18:24.50 | Fuchs | I am not sure whether dbus would fix this (I mean, it still would be nice to have it, but that's about as discoverable for a regular user as is a config file) |
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| 18:24.59 | Fuchs | potentially something to submit two bug reports for |
| 18:25.21 | Fuchs | one to have it somewhere in a kcm (there even are candidates, like the desktop behaviour one) and one to have it via dbus call |
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| 18:27.42 | yann-kaelig | There is still a real problem with the presentation of KDE applications. For example k3b, starting from KDE website https://www.kde.org/applications/ All these duplicates, none of the links bring any constructive information, worse we end up on this website https://www.linux-apps.com/content/show.php?content=9875 with completly obsolete information |
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| 18:29.33 | rdieter | it ideally should not include any external links |
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| 18:29.53 | rdieter | but I couldn't find any, I landed on https://www.kde.org/applications/multimedia/k3b/ |
| 18:30.35 | rdieter | ah, the "More about... links" yeah, that one can go |
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| 18:36.55 | yann-kaelig | But you really thinking it's enough faced with the enthusiasm of the new user who would like to adopt new uses? For me without hesitation I feel the disappointment seeing such a page. |
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| 18:48.47 | yann-kaelig | And it's a shame to see mp3 files instead of vorbis file format . By the way can we see the original audio cd ? ^^ |
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| 18:55.46 | tosky | yann-kaelig: if you check kde-www, there is an effort to redo the main website, and a separate, but related, to automate the creation of the /applications/ section |
| 18:56.05 | tosky | yann-kaelig: and luckily mp3 are out of patents |
| 18:56.08 | tosky | now |
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| 19:02.08 | jankusanagi_ | Fuchs: discoverable, the same, but a user could issue a command without quitting plasma, editing a file where they can potentially mess up other things, and restart plasmashell |
| 19:02.30 | Fuchs | jankusanagi_: ye, I brought it up in the VDG to see if we can come up with something nicer |
| 19:03.23 | jankusanagi_ | there's a reason why previously the official option to remove the Plasma "cashew" didn't exist :D |
| 19:04.14 | Fuchs | not terribly fond of that "solution" though, because it would sit there being useless 98% of the time |
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| 19:06.58 | jankusanagi_ | having the Desktop Settings dialog accessible via right-click on a panel would suffice |
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| 19:07.38 | Fuchs | no, because you can have no panel, too, and the only option to add one is via that right click menu (isn't it great) |
| 19:07.59 | Fuchs | there is a keyboard shortcut, which is visible in the menu you can't access :> |
| 19:09.12 | jankusanagi_ | if you have no panel and have cashew... and decide to remove the mouse menu... you're really suicidal =) |
| 19:09.32 | jankusanagi_ | I doubt the keyboard shortcut works if the menu containing the action is gone |
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| 19:17.35 | Fuchs | I think it's a global plasma one, anyway, I think the current VDG opinion is to 1) show a warning dialogue if you do something stupid 2) have it available via other means, somehow |
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| 19:37.02 | yann-kaelig | hahaha ! :D Your sense of humour killing me . I want to create an iso of my DVD ROM and I get this warning, : the device is already used by other applications ( kded 5, mem, krun, 10 , 45, ....) it is strongly recommended to leave these applications, bla bla bla ... |
| 19:37.05 | yann-kaelig | Guess what happens when I click on "quit other applications" |
| 19:38.00 | yann-kaelig | it's k3b |
| 19:38.21 | asturm | you didn't mount it before, right? |
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| 19:39.21 | yann-kaelig | I can try again to be sure thath nothing mounted the device |
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| 19:41.59 | yann-kaelig | now I'm sure, no nothing is mounted |
| 19:45.04 | yann-kaelig | I can enumerate all the applications because I don't understand what the numbers are, (kded5, 22, krunner,mem,10 ,12 ,15, 17,1081,mem, 14,16,19,21,23,28,30,49,51,53,56,58,60,62,64,70,72,76,78,80,85,87,90,93,95,1749,9,1754,0,2) |
| 19:46.54 | yann-kaelig | Also at this time I don't have possiblity to exit or stop, but only " Stop other application, check again or continue" |
| 19:47.13 | yann-kaelig | it's remember me something ... :D |
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| 20:02.01 | DanielPowerNL | Hi, I'm using Plasma 5.12 on Archlinux. I have files on my desktop, some on my left monitor, some on my right monitor. When I try to drag files from one monitor to the next, instead of simply moving them, it asks if I want to overwrite the files. I'm assuming this is because each desktop is handled separately, so instead of knowing to reposition the icon on the Desktop, it's trying to move the file, but then finding that it already exists. |
| 20:02.05 | DanielPowerNL | Is there an easy solution to this? |
| 20:05.01 | rdieter | DanielPowerNL: may depend on what kind of containment/layout you're using. If "Folderview" that would be quite interesting, as everything there should simply map to a real folder, ~/Desktop/ |
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| 20:13.57 | yann-kaelig | well, not bad at all. iso has been created, in fact using the copy option and interrupting the process in the middle, an iso creation only option could be an idea |
| 20:15.43 | DanielPowerNL | rdieter, I am just using Folder View for both desktops. And they are both mapped to the ~/Desktop. |
| 20:16.34 | DanielPowerNL | Folder View should be able to check if the move directory is the same as the origin directory, and if so just update the position on-screen, without copying/moving any files. |
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| 20:24.52 | rdieter | DanielPowerNL: that's what I would expect, that's what happens when moving around on each monitor's desktop space (right?) |
| 20:25.40 | DanielPowerNL | rdieter, Yes, if I drag an icon around within one monitor, it simply moves as expected. The overwrite warning only appears when dragging a file from one monitor to another. |
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| 22:11.36 | jason | nick maZed |
| 22:14.21 | Guest22379 | good evening, i have a freshly installed KDE4 on Freebsd, and the screen is offset by a 1/3 of the screen. I am thinking this is a driver issue with the monitor? I am still learning and researching. I was wondering if I could get guidance on how to change the display settings? and setup the correct monitor/video card |
| 22:15.02 | asturm | Guest22379: you should replace it with a freshly installed Plasma-5 |
| 22:15.29 | asturm | but I've never heard of such an issue (if we discount my old Amiga 500) |
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| 22:16.34 | asturm | either it is a wildly disarranged screen alignment on an old D-SUB attached display or a gpu driver bug |
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| 22:19.03 | Guest22379 | what I am puzzled by KDE4 & kubuntu, default setup, screen is perfect on the same machine |
| 22:20.09 | maZed` | how can i see what my settings are on kubuntu and compare to freebsd? |
| 22:20.51 | jankusanagi_ | maZed`: probably different resolution or refresh settings |
| 22:21.16 | jankusanagi_ | still, if you're using an actual monitor, you might want to push a possible "ajust" or "auto" key |
| 22:21.42 | jankusanagi_ | also, modern Kubuntu uses Plasma 5, not ancient Plasma 4 |
| 22:21.43 | maZed` | i did try to adjust and do the auto adjust on the monitor itself and it did not solve it |
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| 23:29.45 | nurupo | i got some weird screen flickering issues on 5.12 when opening/resizing windows, never had anything like this before on previos 5.x |
| 23:29.50 | nurupo | is this some known issue? |
| 23:32.04 | nurupo | this coincide with me installing nvidia drivers on intel+radeon system, OBS was complainig about some nvidia decoder/encoder library so i installed it, which pulled the video driver, but i have since uninstalled it and the only used video drivers are i915 and radeon, so i'm thinking that this might be some kde issue rather than the nvidia driver messing some x settings up |
| 23:32.30 | nurupo | * was complainig about some nvidia decoder/encoder library missing |
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