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08:10.15kukurukuToday I gave another try to Plasma Wayland. Verdict still not usable (
08:10.38hateball:<
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08:12.37tomazkukuruku: what failed? we are gathering information so we can actually fix everything.
08:12.42kukurukuI wouldn't say it's a totally disaster, but summation of small bugs doesn't make my UX good
08:12.43tomazare you using binaries, compiled by hand?
08:12.55tomazqt version, etc.
08:13.00kukurukutomaz, I use opensuse Tumbleweed
08:13.21rosaDoes anyone know how to re-enable wifi for kde? https://i.imgur.com/j4gqcL9.jpg
08:13.56tomazkukuruku: that's the opensuse rolling release, right?
08:14.28tomazrosa: the network management has a button to enable / disable, it can fail if you updated the kernel / networkmanager without rebooting.
08:14.47tomazkukuruku: what version of qt /  plasma are you on? I ask because I don't know how much of upstream opensuse is.
08:15.34rosaOk
08:16.14barteks2xI have Discord installed, and when I try to run it from GUI or from pinned applications from taskbar, it complains that it can't find "/usr/share/discord/Discord", but I know that Discord executable is in /usr/bin and links to one in /opt/Discord. How to fix it?
08:17.37barteks2xI can actually run the command, then pin the started discord instance, and when I run that pinned discord, it complains that it can't find "/usr/share/discord/Discord"
08:17.59kukurukutomaz,  qt 5.9.1, plasma 5.11
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08:18.32rosahttps://i.imgur.com/2qEZG8Y.jpg
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08:28.09kukurukuSome issues I found in plasma 5.11. The size of the pointer differs from window to window, keyboard indicator still doesn't show the languages
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08:29.59kukurukuAlso I have an additional panel with taskbar, it's configured for autohiding and appearing of the panel works badly,
08:30.35kukurukuI can submit those bugs if they are not submitted before
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08:32.54tomazkukuruku, please do. also, try to look for them before to see if they are not submitted :)
08:33.07tomazif you can program also try to help fixing those issues. :D
08:33.38kukurukutomaz, I would like, but I know only python :(
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08:47.00tomazwe all have our dark secrets. :)
08:47.15tomazand if you know python this means you know logic and with that you can work on c++ and try.
08:49.37kishore96Need some help reporting a wayland bug. I am able to get systemsettings and kate to crash reproducibly whenever I try to close them. I'm not sure which componenet I should report it against.
08:50.12kishore96I have the backtrace for the systemsettings crash. Should I just report it against the systemsettings product?
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08:56.08CaterpillarWhy on Kile is not possible to copy messages from window "register and messages"?
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08:59.21Caterpillarerror, "leg and messages"
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09:01.22kishore96It even has a greyed out 'copy' item on right click. That's weird.
09:02.46Caterpillarhttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=240885
09:02.54CaterpillarI wonder if it has been abandoned
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09:10.33kishore96Caterpillar: If you mean Kile, it's definitely not abandoned (https://phabricator.kde.org/project/profile/220/)
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09:57.55BluesKajHowdy folks
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10:12.44OficineRoboticahello to everyone.....is it posible to set the "spread windows" effect in a way that it doesn't desaturate the colors for items not under the cursor?
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10:26.43LazyGnolltomaz: speaking of wayland bugs, I actually wonder if session resume under wayland works for everyone but me or it's just a non-issue for most people
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10:30.15gryffusIn KDE connect, i have possibility to reply on SMS messages. How could i use it? What dependencies do i need for this? Is it this one? https://github.com/KDE/telepathy-kdeconnect
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10:33.55shal3rWhen i click on external link in any program except browser, KDE tries to access that URL and only then opens it in browser. Is it possible to disable that?
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10:59.14thrmoHello, is plasma active still a thing?
10:59.38kishore96OficineRobotica: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385522
10:59.39asturm_thrmo: not since plasma mobile was announced
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11:00.18thrmoasturm_, can I run plasma mobile on my x86 tablet?
11:00.27thrmois it "usable"?
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11:01.00asturm_thrmo: I guess so, but I never tried
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11:02.16thrmoasturm_, what would you recommend running on a surface pro 2?
11:03.09asturm_sorry, I don't know about that hardware
11:03.23asturm_but if it it x86, of course KDE software all the way
11:03.37thrmoit's an hibrid laptop/tablet
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11:03.48thrmodoes KDE work well in such a setup?
11:03.54kishore96thrmo: This might be useful: https://www.reddit.com/r/SurfaceLinux/comments/4d4jcj/my_experience_with_installing_linux_on_my_surface/
11:04.10thrmoi already installed Linux on it
11:04.18thrmobut found the Gnome experience to be lackluster
11:05.07thrmoso I was looking for alternatives
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11:05.24thrmotightly integrated DE/distro touch friendly
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11:45.02SicnusHowdy. Long time listener, first time caller...  (ok, jk, I've used KDE on and off since KFM 0.0.1)  Anyhoo...  how can I make plasma desktop be where there is just ONE desktop... I have two monitors, and it seems I have two sets of icons... and two background wallpapers and two sets of settings....  Thanks!  (ubuntu 17.04 - not sure what version of KDE)
11:47.51kishore96I think it uses different activities for different monitors. I might be wrong, as I've never used a multimonitor setup.
11:48.11Sicnus:/
11:49.10hateballSicnus: I dont think it's possible
11:49.24Sicnusthis is a bummer man.
11:49.54SicnusKinda silly to have to manage two sets of preferences for icons for the same ~Desktop folder.  But that's just me.  Perhaps I'm the silly one.
11:50.30hateballSicnus: well in kscreen there is an option to combine outputs, not sure if that would make two monitors appear as one
11:50.48Sicnushateball: let me look for kscreen...
11:50.54hateball"monitor settings"
11:51.21hateballor just alt+f2 and type "kscreen"
11:51.32SicnusUnify outputs isn't what you want.  LOL.  ;)  just tried that.
11:51.41hateballRight
11:51.46hateballThen I dont know :p
11:52.10hateballSicnus: probably better off asking in #plasma tho
11:52.23Sicnusoh ok man.  Sorry if it was OT.
11:52.47hateballdoubt it is, just that #plasma is more active with actual plasma devs :p
11:53.48Sicnushateball: know of a good konsole theme?  the default one is kinda bleh.  Trying to google, but not finding much....
11:54.26hateballI use the default, I think :D
11:54.41hateballI have yellow text on black
11:54.47Sicnushateball: you are just a ball of hate aren't you?  ;)  jk
11:54.50Sicnusthanks for trying man.
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12:18.16SicnusIs there not a tool to add "workspaces"?
12:18.18oprypinSicnus, what theme are you talking about? just color scheme?
12:18.24oprypin> konsole
12:18.53Sicnusoprypin: yeah man... Konsole theme.. (text colors)  I found something on a git hub...
12:19.16oprypinSicnus, i made this very balanced color scheme https://gist.github.com/b826f4ce0104d25c9de7fe427344d540
12:19.49Sicnusheh, let me check her out ;)
12:19.49oprypinbasically black text on white background  but  the brighter colors are balanced so they don't blend in with the background
12:20.55Sicnusmy connection is crap...  so I may cut in and out.  :/
12:21.48Sicnushow do I install that
12:22.23oprypin~/.local/share/konsole/Applications.colorscheme
12:22.59Sicnusput the dir there?  or the files?  or just a file?
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12:24.12oprypinwget -O ~/.local/share/konsole/Applications.colorscheme https://gist.githubusercontent.com/oprypin/b826f4ce0104d25c9de7fe427344d540/raw/cb94b2818e9183ecec04ffda74dccb8907007fc1/Applications.colorscheme
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12:28.53Sicnusthanks...
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12:54.36JonelethIrenicusfor things like snappy packages..ect.. how are applications like Dolphin and Filelight going to handle that?
12:54.55JonelethIrenicusif I intall 5 snap packages I am going to have an additional 5 drives show up in Dolphin
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12:54.59JonelethIrenicus"drives"
12:55.14JonelethIrenicus"Loop Device"
12:55.35gryffusIn KDE connect, i have possibility to reply on SMS messages. How could i use it? What dependencies do i need for this? Is it this one? https://github.com/KDE/telepathy-kdeconnect
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12:59.03oprypinJonelethIrenicus, why do you care? just dont use that
12:59.15JonelethIrenicusoprypin: huh?
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12:59.30oprypindon't install snap packages, problem solved
12:59.47JonelethIrenicusoprypin: yeah snap packages are great so no not an option
13:00.04JonelethIrenicusnot to mention it happens with docker and many others etc..
13:00.04oprypinwhat problem do they solve for you?
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13:00.33oprypinit's basically opt-in DLL hell
13:00.52JonelethIrenicusoprypin: don't use it then dude
13:01.00oprypinway ahead of you
13:01.01JonelethIrenicusoprypin: i am
13:01.23asturm_it's an opt-out of proper packaging
13:01.32JonelethIrenicusit really isn't
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13:01.52JonelethIrenicusand "proper packaging" is just a fancy tar file.
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13:02.08toskya bit more than that
13:02.14toskybut anyway, back to the question
13:02.16JonelethIrenicustosky: "fancy"
13:02.22toskya bit more
13:02.31toskyanyway, back to the question
13:03.04toskyif it's possible to distinguish a loopback used for snap from a "normal" loopback, it should be possible to have dolphin not show it
13:03.24toskymaybe even exposing it in a proper way through the solid library
13:03.33JonelethIrenicustosky: its root directory is /snap
13:04.07JonelethIrenicustosky: maybe just the ability to exclude things ?
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13:04.27JonelethIrenicuslike /snap*
13:10.15JonelethIrenicusoprypin: snaps are a really great way for 3rd party application developers to package their application for all Linux distros at once.  It isn't mean for ALL system level packages.  They can also have added security put in place so less of a new to worry about breakages, or maybe even spying.
13:11.15JonelethIrenicusgnu packages -> package manager  microsoft / "insert large untrusted company" -> snap
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13:21.00Sicnusis there a "Workspaces" app for the kde panel?  I can't figure out how to setup multiple workspaces... :/
13:22.14JonelethIrenicusSicnus: like "activities"
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13:23.53FuchsSicnus: the pager can do it
13:24.18FuchsSicnus: also there is a module in systemsettings for it, and the desktop grid effect has a +/- button at the bottom
13:24.28SicnusI see the pager on the bar when I configure it... but I don't see where I can create multiple workspaces...
13:24.39Sicnuswhen I configure the panel that is...
13:25.08FuchsSicnus: right click it and go to settings? Unless you mean something else with workspaces than virtual desktops
13:25.15Fuchs(right click the pager, that is)
13:25.36SicnusI mean virtual desktops...  yes.
13:25.43Sicnussorry.
13:26.00Fuchsno idea why you are looking for that in the panel out of all places, but the settings of the pager, reachable via right click, can do it
13:26.05Fuchsoh
13:26.12Fuchsactually it even has an entry to directly add one
13:26.17Fuchsif you right click the pager
13:26.23SicnusYou've never seen a virtual desktop switcher in the panel?
13:26.35Fuchsyes, the pager.
13:26.45FuchsIt can do it, it's what I just suggested you do
13:27.10Sicnusperhaps the default theme just isn't showing up or something... :/  confused
13:28.08Fuchshttps://imgur.com/Y85bW1a    ignore the fact that it is German
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13:28.14Sicnusok I found how to create activities...
13:28.21Sicnusbut still doesn't show up on the panel for multiple activites... :/
13:28.47hateballactivities are not the same as virtual desktops
13:28.51Fuchsyou can add the pager if you don't have one, simply unlock the widgets and add one
13:29.27Sicnusyeah I have a pager... I see it on the panel when I edit the panel.
13:29.31Sicnushateball: no?
13:29.59hateballno activities is uh... a different thing :p
13:30.36hateballSicnus: it allows you to group apps and such for different "activities"
13:30.37hateballhttps://userbase.kde.org/Plasma#Activities
13:30.48hateballI do not think many use it
13:31.13Sicnushateball: how do you get VIrutal Desktops?
13:31.13kishore96There are dozens of us!
13:31.19hateball:D
13:31.32Sicnuskishore96: lol
13:31.51hateballSicnus: alt+f2 -> virtual desktops
13:31.55hateballconfigure as you please
13:31.59kishore96Sicnus: Settings > desktop behaviour > virtual desktops
13:32.35Sicnushateball: whew... THAT's what I needed lol
13:32.41Fuchsoooooor the pager I not only suggested but even screenshoted on how to actually add one *sigh*
13:32.53hateballxD
13:33.01hateballgives Fuchs a small cookie
13:33.13SicnusFuchs:  <- he hate me.
13:33.17Sicnuslol
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13:37.07SicnusI do hate how Konsole keeps changing the default size every time I resize a term...  I keep / use TONS of terms and resize them all day long... heh.
13:37.20Sicnus(thanks in advance for all the help btw ;)
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13:50.50luizromarioHello, all. It seems I can't type letters that require dead keys to be typed in in the K menu search field
13:51.04luizromarioFor example, "á"
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13:51.32luizromarioWhich requires typing "´" + "a"
13:52.16luizromarioTyping special characters after the search field is visible works, though
13:52.32luizromarioI'm running Plasma LTS on Debian
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14:15.52kishore96luizromario: File a bug. https://bugs.kde.org/
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14:34.44tomazluizromario. ora ora. ;)
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14:35.23tomazBug seems fixed on 5.11 tougth, no need to file a bug.
14:35.27tomazjust tested.
14:36.10SicnusIt seems like no matter what DE I use when the screen locks...  my 2nd monitor stops working.  :/  So frustrating.
14:36.32tomazSicnus this is a X11 misconfiguration, perhaps.
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14:46.16Sicnustomaz: yeah I wonder if I'm using the wrong display driver for my Quadro K4200
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15:19.04n-stis there any documentation on the "State" setting in dolphinrc?
15:20.00n-sti would like to programmatically disable the "Folders" panel, and it seems its presence/absence is only recorded in a base64-encoded binary blob in "State"
15:20.37n-stcuriously enough, the string "State" doesn't show up in the dolphin source code in any meaningful place…
15:22.00toskyn-st: it's handled by the KXmlGui library
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15:56.10n-sttosky: thanks :)
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16:37.32gobostonewhy is Konsole's behavior so strange when you split the window/
16:37.33gobostone?
16:37.59gobostonehow come it doesn't split the current pane like Yakuake.... and where can I complain productively
16:39.05leszekgobostone: what is the concrete problem?
16:40.17leszekor what is the behavior you expect vs. the current behavior. When I have two tabs open it splits and shows both of them in parallel
16:40.25leszekwhich makes sense to me
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18:22.54rindolfHi all! Why the hell does kwin_x11 needs 6.3% of my 8 GB of RAM And does not even have per-virt-desk-wallpapers? It is more than firefox
18:23.38rindolfI remember running kde 1 on a machine with 16 MB of ram
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18:26.10Sicnushow do you set the title bar on konsole?  on other terms you can go to menu or right click "Set Title..."
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18:28.15mike-zalSicnus: what do you want to do with title bar?
18:29.18mike-zalrindolf: kwin uses almost 114MB for me, also 8GB of ram.
18:29.36SicnusI'd like to be able to name it...
18:29.36rindolfmike-zal: ah. :(
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18:30.00rindolfSicnus: you can rename the tab
18:30.04Sicnus(sorry for my lagginess)
18:30.18rindolfSicnus: right click on the tab tablet
18:30.42mike-zalah, I never changed title bar names manually. I didn't know if that's even possible
18:30.46Sicnusoh ok, maybe I need to turn tabs on.  LOL.
18:31.07oprypine-anima, well for one thing  kwin probably keeps "screenshots" of all windows at all times
18:31.20oprypinhow did that happen. sorry. meant to tag rindolf
18:33.06svuorelarindolf: how do you measure it ?
18:35.05rindolfsvuorela: measure what?
18:35.17svuorelarindolf: the amountof ram used
18:35.24rindolfsvuorela: htop
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18:35.53svuorelarindolf: inaccurate. it counts shared libraries to all processes.
18:36.06rindolfsvuorela: ah
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18:37.26svuorelaso if you have 50 processes using the same shared library (for the same user), that librray is only in memory once, but htop (and top and many others) puts it in all of them in the measurements
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18:38.37oprypinsvuorela, what if there's 1 process using a shared library? what about 2?
18:39.02svuorelaoprypin: then it is correct for that part of that process
18:39.11svuorelabut the purpose of shared libraries is to be shared ...
18:39.41svuorelathere are some tools, but I've forgotten which ones, that basically spread the load of the shared libraries out across the processes
18:39.46rindolfsvuorela: smem gives me 25098 shlomif  kwin_x11                           0   377104   382108   422484
18:39.48oprypini'd  be happy if shared memory usage was divided by how many processes use that shared lib
18:39.58oprypinsvuorela, that's nice. basically how i'd imagine it
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19:11.56Sicnusany way to hide apps that aren't on the current desktop you are on in task manager?  I'd like to have it show only the items that are open on that Virutal Desktop...  (instead of all open applications)
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19:12.43oprypinSicnus, go to its settings
19:13.04Sicnusyessir, I'm in there now.
19:13.17Sicnusoh crap... I didn't scroll down.  blush
19:13.23Sicnushangs head in shame.
19:13.56Sicnusoprypin: thanks for all your help today btw.  I really appreciate it.
19:14.28DomiXhi, I'm trying to understand why kdepimlibs fails to build on my macOS High Sierra https://trac.macports.org/ticket/55056 I do not understand why it fails with fatal error: 'oc_collectionsync_p.cpp' file not found any idea why this file is missing from archive ? it's also not prevent in git master https://github.com/KDE/akonadi/tree/master/src/core
19:14.44SicnusI'm really trying my best to switch fully to KDE.  (been a cinnamon user for too many years...)  I used to use KDE exclusively back in 2000-2004  But...  switched.
19:15.43asturmSicnus: tellico has a working kf5 release. you should use that instead of fighting with ooold kdepimlibs
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19:16.22Sicnusasturm: not sure what you mean mate.  You mean for Ubuntu?
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19:16.38Sicnushow can I find what version of KDE I am using?
19:16.45asturmsorry. that was meant for DomiX ^
19:16.57DomiXasturm: kf5 is not yet in macports
19:17.02Sicnushehe np
19:17.15asturmDomiX: that's... bad
19:17.45oprypinDomiX, https://github.com/RJVB/macstrop is nice though
19:18.16DomiXI'm not sure all ports needed for tellico in there
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19:24.43mango_99What happens if GTK removes GtkStatusIcon ? Will KDE still support tray icons somehow?
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20:46.59vendetaxvthi all
20:47.12vendetaxvti instaled plasma-5 in my funtoo, more my clock digital
20:47.15vendetaxvtno function
20:47.20vendetaxvti deleted .kde4
20:47.24vendetaxvtremoved panel, add panel
20:47.31vendetaxvtremoved widget add widget
20:47.35vendetaxvtand no resolv
20:47.39vendetaxvtone people have idea ?
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22:23.49fuserHello. Every console I try including konsole has a weird border at the bottom now: https://i.imgur.com/hJqtWi6.png
22:24.44fuserits in the color of the terminal background, no text ever appears there, no matter which application
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22:27.05oprypinfuser, is this even konsole?
22:27.40fusernope, took just one screenshot
22:27.45fusersame stuff in konsole
22:28.00fuserive ask on dev channel specifically for someone that knows how konsole works
22:28.13oprypinfuser, I don't understand what you're trying to say
22:28.32oprypin"konsole has a weird border", then screenshor which turns out to be not konsole?
22:28.57fuserevery terminal, as of this moment, has a border at the bottom, example included in screenshot
22:28.58fusersimple
22:29.16oprypinfuser, what is the application you call "terminal"?
22:29.27fuserkonsole, gnome terminal, terminator, etc
22:29.55oprypinfuser, so how is this a #kde question?
22:30.27oprypinit's your WM messing up
22:30.43fuserive also tried the kde WM
22:31.14fuserim on ubuntu 17.10, probably something messed up, but I've now asked on kde devel if someone knows what could be wrong since they might know how these terminals are implemented
22:31.45fuserPlasma*
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22:32.09oprypinthat's bold
22:33.19oprypinyou get a weird border in different applications and WMs so you ask on kde devel how terminals are implemented
22:34.08fuserYeah, I asked "For anyone that knows how konsole works, what could cause a border like this" and it worked. Nice knowing you.
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23:58.27Galactusis Dolphin capable of sorting folders by Accessed Time by default?
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23:59.42Galactusany time I set the setting in "Adjust View Properties", the folder view shows Accessed Time selected, but its actually just sorting by Name still

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