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| 07:07.42 | rustedhub | i can swear i could remember this working - when (virt) desktop grid is toggled (Ctrl+F8) i could navigate ghrough view using arrows, and select virt desktop hitting "retur" button. Or with "ESC" button get out of the view. My question is - does this not work now only in my case or?.. |
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| 08:25.51 | sim590 | I don't use KDE, but I do use Okular. I find that the highlighting color used in Okular is really dark (dark blue). How can I change that? |
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| 09:05.21 | uprego | Just installed the new Debian stable, first time on plasma 5. I copied plasma 4 ~/.kde/Autostart/ to the new $HOME, but it seems it does not work the same way? |
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| 09:05.45 | asturm | uprego: no more .kde directory |
| 09:06.15 | asturm | uprego: a few basic stuff is migrated but basically, it means reconfigure your desktop to your needs |
| 09:06.55 | uprego | Never actually configured anything under .kde/ but .kde/Autostart/*.sh |
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| 09:07.13 | uprego | Is a new partition. |
| 09:07.16 | asturm | uprego: so you never entered systemsettings? |
| 09:07.29 | asturm | applications were using .kde too in the past |
| 09:07.55 | uprego | Only once, for configuring the displays layout, which is like I remember from plasma 4 but prettier. |
| 09:08.16 | asturm | uprego: so what was your comment about 'does not work the same way' about, then? |
| 09:08.28 | asturm | about autostart specifically? |
| 09:08.43 | uprego | It seems at last plasma autoconfigures sound in my mileage! |
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| 09:10.06 | uprego | Yes, I copied .kde/Autostart/konsole.sh to the new partition, chmod ed it, tested works as expected when executed manually, but did not autoexecute on login as I was expecting. |
| 09:10.22 | asturm | yes, that location is wrong now |
| 09:11.58 | uprego | OK, reading a blog post about... |
| 09:12.02 | asturm | uprego: if this is still correct: https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/kde-workspace/kcontrol/autostart/index.html |
| 09:12.27 | tosky | it should be updated enought, yes |
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| 09:26.31 | uprego | Almost enough, my mileage has ~/.config/autostart-scripts/, but symlinking ~/.kde/Autostart/konsole.sh there, DID. Very nice! |
| 09:27.11 | uprego | Thank you for your support and congratulations for release 5 that is nice and clean and seems even better than 4. |
| 09:27.34 | uprego | I find moving ~/.kde/ to ~/.config/ is a very risky move, though. |
| 09:27.56 | asturm | uprego: well, it happened years ago. ;) |
| 09:28.08 | tosky | risky? |
| 09:29.04 | uprego | Debian stable is slow, but steady... |
| 09:29.52 | tosky | I mean, why would the move be risky? |
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| 09:29.52 | uprego | I mean risky in the way there was no Debian software relying on that dir? Seems so common word.. |
| 09:30.12 | tosky | I'm not sure I understand what the risky part is |
| 09:30.16 | uprego | Increasing chances for collisions for nothing, that's what I meant. |
| 09:30.25 | tosky | still don't get it |
| 09:30.44 | asturm | uprego: again, years |
| 09:30.49 | tosky | normal applications used to create a .<something> directory in the main home directory |
| 09:31.06 | tosky | now .local and .config (or others if the variables are redefined) are used |
| 09:31.24 | tosky | of all the possible issues around, I never heard about such collisions of naming |
| 09:31.33 | uprego | Aah oh am sorry, I thought that was KDE specific, I was wrong. |
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| 09:32.55 | tosky | no, no: https://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html |
| 09:33.05 | tosky | you will find many other programs using them |
| 09:33.44 | uprego | I only understood when after reading you I saw chromium using it. |
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| 09:35.29 | uprego | Still 'autostart-scripts' sounds like other desktop environments could want to use, and they can't I guess? Unless .config/autostart-scripts/ gets established as standard? |
| 09:36.32 | uprego | Maybe ~/.config/plasma-autostart-scripts decresases chances for collisions, but it's OK... |
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| 09:39.25 | uprego | (I am casual user of dwm in case of wanting decreased features traded for a lower memory footprint). |
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| 09:51.09 | uprego | Thanks again. Got to restart. |
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| 10:24.53 | d9867eb | hello |
| 10:25.26 | hexnewbie | Why after an upgrade from KDE 4 to 5, moving the scroll wheel fast makes Konsole, Kate, et al scroll in a random direction, and not in the one I'm turning the wheel in? |
| 10:25.56 | hexnewbie | Like, with a locked wheel, scrolling down scroll downs. When I unlock the wheel, scrolling down scrolls to the top of the page |
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| 10:29.43 | d9867eb | I had like to put my kde session into a mode that makes my computer use as little cpu possible but still tranfser data. So I could keep my computer on over night to update a game or upload some data to a server. |
| 10:30.01 | d9867eb | Is there a such thing? |
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| 10:49.21 | hexnewbie | Why is everything in KDE 5 copied with leading newlines? I want to submit a crash report, so I copy the filename to dpkg -S and see which debugging libs I need - it adds a leading newline. No bug reports for you :( |
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| 10:52.00 | leszek | hexnewbie: from where did you copy? Usually it works just fine for me here (works for me) |
| 10:52.42 | hexnewbie | âMissing debug information packagesâ dialog of the crash report thingy |
| 10:53.00 | hexnewbie | So I copy |
| 10:53.02 | hexnewbie | /usr/bin/kcharselect |
| 10:53.13 | hexnewbie | ^^ That was a demonstration of what happens when I paste the copied item |
| 10:53.35 | leszek | maybe you copied the leading invisible newline aswell :P |
| 10:53.44 | leszek | or is it at the end ? |
| 10:53.56 | tosky | maybe - and it may not be something from Frameworks, but Qt |
| 10:53.57 | hexnewbie | Well, that's *always* the cause of that bug. But I've never had KDE do that, only other programs |
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| 10:55.21 | LazyGnoll | d9867eb: that's probably out of kde's scope, but if you want your computer to do stuff it has to be kept on (e.g. disable sleep/suspend) |
| 10:55.24 | hexnewbie | OK, it's a bit moot - it seems Debian doesn't ship with debugging symbols for KCharSelect or Frameworks, so I can't report it anyway :) |
| 10:56.12 | leszek | hexnewbie: you need to install those. Debian ships them in dbgsym packages |
| 10:56.58 | d9867eb | LazyGnoll: so I can s |
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| 10:57.34 | d9867eb | LazyGnoll: so I can update a game while my computer is suspended? |
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| 10:58.28 | LazyGnoll | d9867eb: that's the exact opposite of what I've said :^) it has to be on. plasma has support for automatic sleep/suspend after some idle time, so you have to disable that |
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| 10:59.31 | d9867eb | LazyGnoll: ok so I have to go to bios? |
| 10:59.38 | BluesKaj | HI folks |
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| 11:00.19 | hexnewbie | leszek: kcharselect and qtbase-opensource-src don't seem to have the debugging symbols. |
| 11:00.30 | hexnewbie | leszek: I mean, such packages. |
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| 11:00.40 | LazyGnoll | d9867eb: you can disable auto suspend in Plasma's System Settings â Power Management |
| 11:00.50 | LazyGnoll | d9867eb: reducing power consumption while on is a separate topic that relies more on powersaving features of your hardware & kernel, than on plasma. ideally running less programs will lead to lower power consumption. |
| 11:01.31 | LazyGnoll | e.g. run the update/upload operation in screen or tmux and log out of plasma completely |
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| 11:01.50 | leszek | hexnewbie: they must have dbgsym packages. Though if you try searching with packages.debian.org you won't find them as they are now created dynamically and not like the good old days with .install files in the debian directory or control file |
| 11:02.24 | d9867eb | LazyGnoll: yes I know, it is off but I want the computer to use as little energy as possible when not active and I am asking whether I need to go to bios to do that. |
| 11:03.12 | hexnewbie | leszek: If they are not found there or in the archive, how do I install them? :) |
| 11:03.16 | LazyGnoll | d9867eb: that's honestly something I can't answer, depends on your specific hardware |
| 11:03.18 | leszek | hexnewbie: I think you need kf5 dbgsyms and qt5dbgsyms |
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| 11:04.03 | leszek | hexnewbie: honestly try asking in #debian they should know it. I would need to search for the dbgsym package names myself |
| 11:04.48 | d9867eb | LazyGnoll: ok thanks |
| 11:05.19 | leszek | hexnewbie: seems like there is an extra repo for those alltogether: http://debug.mirrors.debian.org/debian-debug/ |
| 11:05.36 | hexnewbie | leszek: I see. Thanks. That's why I didn't find it. :) |
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| 11:08.38 | hexnewbie | Oh, and it's not an invisible newline that I'm copying - even copying without the leading /, the filename *still* has a leading newline :((( |
| 11:08.55 | hexnewbie | usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5XcbQpa.so.5nyy |
| 11:09.01 | asturm | leading or trailing? |
| 11:09.10 | hexnewbie | Leading newline, before usr/lib |
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| 11:11.09 | hexnewbie | The bug reporting dialog is totally user-unfriendly that way :) |
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| 13:59.38 | susetester | hello :) |
| 14:00.22 | susetester | just trying out kde again, after a long time using xfce, and gnome before that (back when it was cool) |
| 14:02.04 | susetester | i was wondering if anyone has recommendations for k-software, configurations, and any other suggestions. i would like to get things running as cleanly as possible, and more familiar to me coming from xfce.. |
| 14:02.50 | asturm | my suggestion is, do as you please |
| 14:02.53 | hateball | ^ |
| 14:03.17 | hateball | Ask for help if you stumble upon a problem |
| 14:03.25 | susetester | i guess thats fair. |
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| 14:03.37 | hateball | General recommendations are... well there are more useful things in this world |
| 14:04.20 | susetester | i find it funny that kde is more familiar to me now than gnome is... |
| 14:04.36 | susetester | it used to be that kde was the radical one |
| 14:06.19 | susetester | are there reasons to use the specifically 'k' software, over gtk? |
| 14:06.46 | asturm | susetester: you can use any software you like |
| 14:07.07 | susetester | well thats good to know |
| 14:07.11 | asturm | susetester: but software based on qt5/kf5 will generally integrate more nicely into your desktop |
| 14:07.15 | hateball | susetester: aestehics |
| 14:07.21 | susetester | ok |
| 14:07.36 | hateball | and in the case of say... the file explorer Dolphin, it will integrate with baloo that indexes your files |
| 14:07.38 | hateball | and so on |
| 14:08.20 | susetester | opensuse has been a pretty sharp departure from manjaro, plus a new DE. i feel like a kid again! |
| 14:09.21 | susetester | i guess the reasoning behind changing DE was wayland integration? |
| 14:09.55 | asturm | susetester: you mean plasma-4 -> plasma-5? |
| 14:10.19 | susetester | no asturm, as in from xfce, which i have used for some years |
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| 14:10.39 | susetester | it was suggested that wayland support was not so far along |
| 14:10.51 | asturm | are you asking use why you changed DE? |
| 14:10.55 | asturm | *us |
| 14:10.58 | susetester | and that i should try gnome. but gnome is a total mess |
| 14:10.59 | hateball | I think Plasma dev is primarily done on Wayland now |
| 14:11.14 | tosky | KWin development is |
| 14:11.56 | susetester | im digging it all so far. i don't really notice the difference with wayland myself, graphically. |
| 14:12.15 | asturm | that's the best case scenario |
| 14:12.28 | LazyGnoll | I doubt anyone ships kde wayland by default yet :/ |
| 14:12.38 | susetester | hmm |
| 14:12.48 | asturm | but also what LazyGnoll said |
| 14:12.50 | LazyGnoll | no eglstreams, ksmserver broken, tablet input not ready yet |
| 14:12.53 | tosky | this is one of the many reasons to differentiate the DE from the applications |
| 14:12.55 | hateball | isnt Neon wayland default? |
| 14:13.02 | LazyGnoll | there are two versions of neon |
| 14:13.07 | LazyGnoll | not versions, isos |
| 14:13.13 | LazyGnoll | iirc |
| 14:13.21 | tosky | if you run Fedora Workstation (Gnome) by default, you are running many Qt5 applications on Wayland |
| 14:13.48 | LazyGnoll | or I confused it with something else |
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| 14:14.02 | susetester | i'm pretty sure i was running xfce/wayland for a long time without issue |
| 14:14.20 | susetester | but what do i know |
| 14:14.33 | LazyGnoll | I don't think xfce supports wayland at all |
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| 14:14.41 | susetester | really? |
| 14:15.14 | susetester | now i'm confused. |
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| 14:15.25 | LazyGnoll | 1) wayland protocol isn't really finished yet 2) there's still debate about hardware part 3) wayland support is insane amount of work |
| 14:15.40 | susetester | hmm |
| 14:15.51 | LazyGnoll | assume everything is still using x11 unless it's gnome on latest fedora |
| 14:16.16 | susetester | well shoot. am i using wayland right now? |
| 14:16.43 | asturm | no, unless you took some steps towards that manually |
| 14:16.51 | susetester | how to tell? |
| 14:17.07 | LazyGnoll | run kinfocenter |
| 14:17.11 | LazyGnoll | and check "about graphics" |
| 14:17.20 | LazyGnoll | there's wayland and x server bits |
| 14:17.31 | LazyGnoll | if you're on X11, wayland shouldn't show anything |
| 14:18.05 | susetester | wayland is un-named |
| 14:18.41 | susetester | interesting |
| 14:19.07 | susetester | well, it might be good to practice getting kde to my liking, as to one day integrate with the wayland way |
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| 14:20.24 | susetester | is there a way to get program descriptions to show, in the app menu? |
| 14:20.34 | susetester | such as when hovering over them |
| 14:21.01 | tosky | also, most applications (the ones that uses the KXMLGui library) can show the graphical stack from Help -> About <foo> |
| 14:21.37 | tosky | what do you mean by "app menu" ? The menu accessed by the button in the panel, botton-left corner? |
| 14:21.45 | LazyGnoll | yeah I think they wanted to see what the program does from the application launcher |
| 14:21.57 | susetester | yeah |
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| 14:22.25 | susetester | i switched to a description(name) layout, but its messy |
| 14:22.36 | susetester | would be nice to hover for the info |
| 14:22.41 | asturm | tosky: I recently described that as the 'K' menu and got a very confused response ;) |
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| 14:23.37 | tosky | but the name/description is on two lines, is it really so messy? I find it readable? |
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| 14:25.54 | susetester | tosky: is one line for me, and gets cut off |
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| 14:27.23 | tosky | susetester: when you right click on it, does it should "Application Launcher Settings..." or "Application Menu Settings..." ? |
| 14:27.32 | susetester | menu |
| 14:27.48 | tosky | oh, the classic one |
| 14:27.55 | tosky | it's two line with the application launcher |
| 14:28.12 | susetester | i see |
| 14:28.38 | tosky | try to switch to it (right click, Alternatives), or add one and see if it's better for you |
| 14:29.17 | susetester | i dunno. i think i like menu better. neither are quite how i like it |
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| 14:56.30 | susetester | alright gentlepersons, signing off |
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| 16:10.21 | Leoneof|2 | hi, network manager is asking about password everytime, it happens when i reboot router, or reconnect network |
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| 16:15.24 | Leoneof|2 | btw, i'm not using kwallet |
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| 16:21.25 | thiago | that's normal if you reboot the router, because it tried to connect with the password in the wallet and failed |
| 16:21.34 | thiago | just ignore the password request and try again |
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| 19:56.33 | fuze | kubuntu 17.04 Adding programs to autostart causes keyring not to automatically unlock. is there any way to fix this? |
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| 22:25.43 | pierrot | Hi |
| 22:25.58 | pierrot | Do you know if there is any tool for kde to input Unicode characters by code point? |
| 22:26.03 | pierrot | I'd like something like gnome-terminal's ctrl+shift+u |
| 22:26.15 | pierrot | It would be really cool if Konsole had this feature... |
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| 22:30.38 | pierrot | Searching google for it, I've found this https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12244/how-can-i-type-unicode-characters-into-kdes-konsole-terminal-from-a-gnome-deskt |
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| 22:33.14 | guest5126 | Hi, has anyone had/know what this means: |
| 22:33.17 | guest5126 | kf5.kcoreaddons.kaboutdata: Could not initialize the equivalent properties of Q*Application: no instance (yet) existing. |
| 22:34.15 | guest5126 | trying to run a shell script but this error pops up |
| 22:36.29 | guest5126 | I'm running KDE Frameworks 5.36 if that helps |
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| 22:41.01 | guest5126 | Would running a gtk based terminal emulator resolve the Qt problem? |
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| 22:43.45 | geejay | guest5126, did u google the problem. thats what i usually do |
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| 22:45.12 | geejay | well the website is dead so that is the problem guest |
| 22:47.20 | guest5126 | geejay, I did google but I cannot find the answer to it |
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| 22:49.39 | guest5126 | It could be related to the nvidia driver but I'm not sure https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/952373/linux/367-35-driver-fedora-24-glx-segmentation-faults/ |
| 22:50.56 | geejay | guest5126, try this link and if the first one i about a bug we r on the same page |
| 22:51.38 | geejay | https://www.google.co.uk/search?dcr=0&source=hp&q=kf5.kcoreaddons.kaboutdata%3A+Could+not+initialize+the+equivalent+properties+of+Q*Application%3A+no+instance+%28yet%29+existing.&oq=kf5.kcoreaddons.kaboutdata%3A+Could+not+initialize+the+equivalent+properties+of+Q*Application%3A+no+instance+%28yet%29+existing.&gs_l=psy-ab.3...3701.3701.0.5773.1.1.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1.2.64.psy-ab..1.0.0....0.8Mtz8j1D3kE |
| 22:55.06 | guest5126 | geejay, yes it seems like I have the same bug. Just to clarify though, I'm using Ubuntu 16.04 instead of Fedora |
| 22:56.12 | guest5126 | It doesn't seem to have been fixed though |
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| 22:58.41 | guest5126 | Also related: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/326114/how-to-automatically-open-terminal-window-when-i-click-a-script |
| 22:59.22 | guest5126 | have the same issue as comment does |
| 23:00.56 | geejay | i know the developers dropped the / privledges but so many complained a update is being built. are u trying to edit a file? |
| 23:01.57 | geejay | im running debian so mine is diffent |
| 23:01.58 | tosky | geejay: the change that will allow users to edit privileged file was in the plan before the removal of the privileges, for the record |
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| 23:02.36 | geejay | ok,well i found i could use the nano command to edit a file in kde |
| 23:02.50 | tosky | guest5126: in which application do you see that error message? It's harmless (apart from having few messages untranslated) and it's most likely resolved in a later version of konsole |
| 23:03.28 | tosky | geejay: you can use kate too, if you configured sudo (https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2017/02/editing-files-as-root/) |
| 23:03.53 | geejay | ok, i will look at the link. tks |
| 23:04.55 | geejay | ya know i tried that yesterday after you told me. the sudoedit command |
| 23:05.29 | tosky | oh, right |
| 23:05.59 | geejay | im going to eat my stew |
| 23:07.22 | guest5126 | tosky: I'm trying to run a shell script in konsole |
| 23:13.18 | tosky | guest5126: so you open konsole and you see that message about "kf5.kcoreaddons.kaboutdata: "etc etc? |
| 23:13.25 | tosky | or were did you see it? |
| 23:13.28 | tosky | where* |
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| 23:14.50 | tosky | also you mentioned Frameworks 5.36 on Ubuntu 16.04, so does it mean you have backports? |
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| 23:22.03 | V7 | Hey all |
| 23:22.44 | V7 | What is kscreenlocker_greet and why it uses 13% of CPU always ? |
| 23:22.50 | V7 | KDE Neon 5.10 |
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