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| 02:22.50 | mgood7123 | sddm is kde's display manager right? |
| 02:24.40 | nicolas17 | sddm is a display manager that you may very well use to launch plasma |
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| 02:26.21 | mgood7123 | should i use sddm over lightdm |
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| 02:26.35 | mgood7123 | for kde |
| 02:27.32 | mgood7123 | or do certain desktop environments require certain display managers |
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| 02:39.07 | valorie | mgood7123: you probably can make lightdm work for you if you like it |
| 02:39.21 | valorie | but nobody is working on making it work with plasma |
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| 05:34.24 | twentyfour | hi could anyone help with this problem I'm having? |
| 05:34.31 | twentyfour | kde won't alt+tab |
| 05:34.46 | twentyfour | running debian sid, plasma 5.8.9 |
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| 07:13.08 | jackdinn | how do i update plasma to 5.9.4 on mint 18.1 ? i have plasma 5.8.5 but my sstem says is all up to date ? |
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| 07:44.27 | ahjolinna | jackdinn: I would ask #linuxmint-help or #linuxmint-chat ... as I dont know if you can use the normal (k)ubuntu PPA or do they have their own |
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| 07:46.23 | ahjolinna | also they seem to use irc.spotchat.org ?? https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=224270 |
| 07:46.42 | jackdinn | ahjolinna: aye thx, im asking on them chans |
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| 07:48.33 | ahjolinna | jackdinn: it seems that they dont use freenode so u need to go to spotchat server : https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/12 |
| 07:48.35 | ahjolinna | sigh |
| 07:49.09 | jackdinn | ahjolinna: yea figured it :) cheers |
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| 09:08.07 | wget | Hi guys. Just to let you know that upgrading from 5.9.4 to 5.9.5 broke the plasma logon. I don't know if this bug has already been reported. I had to recreate all my ~/.config directories and settings for Plasma / KDE |
| 09:15.02 | leszek | wget: does not help much |
| 09:15.18 | leszek | without logs and the config |
| 09:16.22 | wget | yep, sure. I assume this won't help much. Any way, this isn't the first time I had such an issue in the 5.9.x series. The second time already. |
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| 09:27.40 | elichai2 | hi |
| 09:28.15 | elichai2 | when I right click inside Konsole and switch profile it just doesn't do anything, any ideas? |
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| 09:43.45 | JackWinter | where do i have to add my .menu file in order to add a sub menu entry to the applications in kmenu? |
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| 09:45.13 | leszek | wget: Plasma 5.9.5.1 is out apparently. So there must be a big bug |
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| 09:46.38 | leszek | a bug in ksmserver and autostart stuff |
| 09:46.50 | leszek | so it might explain your issue |
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| 09:48.52 | leszek | JackWinter: Just use kmenuedit that would be easier. It uses ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu and I think you can add your .menu file to applications-merged subdirectory in ~/.config/menus though I am not 100% sure. Maybe try it |
| 09:49.32 | tosky | iirc the bug only hits if you have an invalid autostart file |
| 09:49.34 | wget | leszek: yes i had an autostart issue and one times I had a black screen with a kwin window indicating an issue occurred |
| 09:57.19 | JackWinter | leszek: i'm trying to build a submenu with some entries for an app. did create .menu .directory and .desktop files and placed them in the appropriate (i think) places, just doesn't show up. thought maybe there was something specific i have to do in kde, but i suppose it's most likely something in my files then. will play with kmenuedit and see what files it creates and where |
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| 09:59.11 | leszek | :) |
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| 10:02.03 | JackWinter | can i delete ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu seems to be full of old cruft.. |
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| 10:05.04 | frenda | Hi there |
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| 10:06.25 | frenda | Something called 'baloo_file_extractor' is eating my CPU! It's using 100% of CPU!!! Is it part of KDE or it's kinda a trojan/virus/...? |
| 10:06.34 | frenda | The fan of Laptop is killing itself! |
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| 10:07.00 | JackWinter | i'll rename it and see what happens, normally kde rebuilds stuff so ought to be ok |
| 10:07.25 | frenda | hmm? |
| 10:07.48 | JackWinter | frenda: it's a part of kde, that many people hate.. |
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| 10:08.12 | einar77_work | it's a process that runs after your files have been indexed, and tries to extract contents |
| 10:08.25 | einar77_work | "tries" because some files make it go berserk |
| 10:08.46 | einar77_work | (Plasma 5.10 will have an option to keep file-based indexing, but disable this additional step) |
| 10:09.05 | JackWinter | think there is an option in setting-workspace-search to disable indexing |
| 10:09.20 | frenda | I'm worry about my device! The cpu temperature is high! Can I kill it? |
| 10:09.27 | j605 | frenda: it will take a lot of cpu for indexing when it is run for the first time |
| 10:09.40 | j605 | after that you won't notice it |
| 10:09.41 | einar77_work | frenda: yes, you should be able to (it should skip the file that made it go like that) |
| 10:09.59 | j605 | you can specify folders to ignore |
| 10:11.37 | frenda | j605: What if I disable its service? |
| 10:12.40 | j605 | there is balooctl if you want to suspend it for now |
| 10:12.52 | j605 | I wouldn't recommend disabling it though |
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| 10:14.12 | j605 | ooh, my baloo index is 980MiB |
| 10:14.18 | JackWinter | :) |
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| 10:15.31 | frenda | > my baloo index is 980MiB |
| 10:15.46 | frenda | This folder: .local/share/baloo? j605 |
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| 10:18.36 | josef64 | https://community.kde.org/Baloo/Configuration should help |
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| 12:15.26 | AppAraat | hi all. Just wondering, in Neon UE, is anyone else experiencing 100% CPU usage when having video content open in multiple browser tabs? I've seen this on both Chromium and Firefox. It's not immediately noticeable but if I open a couple of tabs and windows, at some point when I open a series of youtube tabs, playing one video will at some point grind the system to a halt for a few seconds. During that time I see |
| 12:15.27 | AppAraat | chromium / firefox processes consuming a lot of CPU and sometimes plasmashell too. I also noticed some writing to disk going on by those processes but not so much that it could warrant blocking other IO operations. |
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| 12:32.37 | mgood7123 | whats the difference between a virtual desktop and an activity |
| 12:34.22 | thiago | virtual desktop is something that has existed for 30 years |
| 12:34.30 | thiago | activity is something new to plasma |
| 12:34.56 | Fuchs | a window can be on multiple activities, but only on one (or all, that's an exception) virtual desktops |
| 12:35.16 | Fuchs | virtual desktops have way better keyboard support and are a bit cross-environment supported |
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| 12:35.27 | thiago | if all of the activities that window is in are inactive, the window isn't shown anywhere and the application may not be running |
| 12:35.33 | thiago | virtual desktops can't be inactive |
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| 12:38.04 | mgood7123 | which should i use if i where to set up certain setups like one area for developing and coding, and another for testing, another for games, and so on |
| 12:38.27 | thiago | not virtual desktops |
| 12:38.34 | mgood7123 | why |
| 12:38.55 | thiago | because they don't do what you're asking |
| 12:39.03 | mgood7123 | what you mean |
| 12:39.11 | thiago | they don't do what you're asking for |
| 12:39.32 | mgood7123 | what do you think im asking for? |
| 12:39.58 | thiago | the ability to have some applicatios visible on the screen and some not |
| 12:40.08 | thiago | you may be asking for different desktops too |
| 12:41.07 | mgood7123 | wich is more resource efficient |
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| 12:42.22 | thiago | virtual desktops |
| 12:43.14 | mgood7123 | so having multiple applications open in different virtual desktops is more resource eficient than having them open in activities? |
| 12:43.35 | Fuchs | personally I have a similar setup to yours, and I use virtual desktops |
| 12:43.45 | Fuchs | they are more efficient and easier to handle. Only tricky if these games are full screen |
| 12:44.03 | BluesKaj | Hey folks |
| 12:44.27 | mgood7123 | so they would use less cpu, memory, and ram? |
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| 12:45.34 | thiago | no |
| 12:45.53 | mgood7123 | wich uses less? |
| 12:45.53 | thiago | the activity manager application would use less memory |
| 12:45.57 | thiago | all the rest would be the same |
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| 12:47.34 | mgood7123 | eg say i have two different digital audio workstations on two virtual desktops and on two activities, wich would be more recource efficient and allow them to run faster |
| 12:47.46 | mgood7123 | resource* |
| 12:48.51 | Fuchs | virtual desktops. A little bit. |
| 12:49.01 | thiago | do you mean two different applications? |
| 12:49.12 | mgood7123 | more or less |
| 12:49.17 | thiago | ok |
| 12:49.23 | thiago | exactly two different applications? |
| 12:49.25 | thiago | I need an exact answer |
| 12:49.30 | mgood7123 | yes |
| 12:49.41 | thiago | ok, then the virtual desktops would be slightly better |
| 12:49.50 | mgood7123 | but both are in the same catagory |
| 12:49.53 | thiago | less memory used by kactivitiymanagerd and plasma |
| 12:50.00 | thiago | what's "category" here? |
| 12:51.03 | mgood7123 | like ide, scripting/text editors, daw, games, terminals, etc |
| 12:52.55 | mgood7123 | eg fl studio on one desktop/activity and audio evolution on another desktop/activity |
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| 12:54.39 | mgood7123 | eg would one method produce more resource usage and lag then the other? |
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| 12:55.47 | thiago | we've been over this |
| 12:56.08 | thiago | the activity manager application has a slightly higher resource usage than virtual desktops |
| 12:56.19 | thiago | assuming all activities are active |
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| 12:56.51 | mgood7123 | ok |
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| 12:57.42 | mgood7123 | and is there a way to set certain programs to start up on certain virtual desktops on boot up |
| 12:57.49 | thiago | yes |
| 12:57.54 | thiago | that's called session management |
| 12:57.59 | mgood7123 | how would i do so |
| 12:58.04 | thiago | again, a 25-year-old technology |
| 12:58.08 | thiago | I believe that's the default in KDE |
| 12:58.22 | thiago | anything that you leave running when you log out will be started when you log back in |
| 12:58.33 | mgood7123 | excluding session restoring |
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| 12:58.42 | thiago | we are talking about session restoring |
| 12:59.18 | mgood7123 | say there is no session to restore how would i set certain applications to start on certain virtual desktops |
| 12:59.33 | thiago | you would not |
| 12:59.41 | mgood7123 | why? |
| 12:59.52 | thiago | because there's no API for that |
| 12:59.58 | mgood7123 | ;-; |
| 13:00.09 | thiago | you can use kwin per-window or per-application rules, but it would always force that window or application to that desktop |
| 13:00.14 | thiago | regardless of when it started |
| 13:00.28 | thiago | gotta go |
| 13:00.30 | mgood7123 | ;-; |
| 13:00.32 | mgood7123 | oki |
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| 13:02.37 | kishore96 | mgood7123: Take a look at kstart5 -h |
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| 13:07.48 | mgood7123 | kf5.kcoreaddons.kaboutdata: Could not initialize the equivalent properties of Q*Application: no instance (yet) existing. |
| 13:07.49 | mgood7123 | kstart5: Unknown option 'h'. |
| 13:07.49 | mgood7123 | kstart5: Use --help to get a list of available command line options. |
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| 13:09.02 | kishore96 | mgood7123: kstart5 has an option to start a program on a specified desktop number. |
| 13:09.29 | mgood7123 | could u give me an example of what i would type to make kwrite start on desktop 2 |
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| 13:10.57 | kishore96 | kstart5 <program name> --desktop 2 |
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| 13:12.16 | mgood7123 | ok |
| 13:12.51 | mgood7123 | and i assume i could add that to some sort of start up script? |
| 13:13.04 | kishore96 | Look at the help text. It has lots of other options too. |
| 13:13.06 | kishore96 | Yeah. |
| 13:13.46 | mgood7123 | also what is the hardware requirements for kde neon |
| 13:14.07 | mgood7123 | cus i cannot get it to boot even with nomodeset |
| 13:14.40 | mgood7123 | it just freexes at the logo |
| 13:14.46 | mgood7123 | freezes* |
| 13:14.47 | kishore96 | Requires 64 bit, apparently. |
| 13:14.57 | mgood7123 | i have 64-bit |
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| 15:08.01 | mgood7123 | is it possible to make shortcuts or launchers desktop specific |
| 15:08.34 | mgood7123 | like only show x launchers on desktop and only show x launchers on desktop2 |
| 15:08.56 | mgood7123 | instead of them showing on every desktop |
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| 15:26.33 | mgood7123 | whats the difference between Kate and KWrite |
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| 15:31.00 | leszek | mgood7123: Kwrite is a very basic and simple Texteditor |
| 15:31.14 | leszek | Kate is more of a texteditor for coders |
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| 15:33.39 | leszek | mgood7123: so one example would be kate is able to open multiple documents in one instance and save this instance in a session. Something kwrite cannot do |
| 15:35.01 | dontknow | i thought kwrite and kate were same! |
| 15:35.15 | mgood7123 | does it support lisp or scheme |
| 15:35.34 | leszek | dontknow: codebase is almost the same. kwrite is like a stripped version of kate basically |
| 15:36.13 | dontknow | it only makes you confused |
| 15:36.55 | leszek | mgood7123: what do you mean by support ? It has syntax highlighting for them. |
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| 15:37.21 | mgood7123 | "You will need a text editor that knows Scheme; it's just too painful with editors that don't do parenthesis matching and proper indentation. Some editors allow you to execute Scheme code directly in the editor. This makes programming very interactive: you can type in a function and then try it right away. This feature is very highly recommended." |
| 15:37.26 | mgood7123 | that what i mean |
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| 15:39.39 | tosky | text highlighting is supported; it's not an IDE for Scheme (nor there are plugins for it) |
| 15:40.08 | leszek | mgood7123: Indentation for LISP is there as for Scheme there isn't. Though isn't that using the same ? |
| 15:41.45 | mgood7123 | idk |
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| 15:42.37 | tosky | leszek: there is highlighting for Scheme in ktexteditor |
| 15:43.18 | tosky | but I see what you mean with indentation |
| 15:44.12 | leszek | yeah syntax highlighting |
| 15:45.03 | leszek | mgood7123: indenation for lisp is there and scheme uses the same indenation |
| 15:45.11 | leszek | *indentation |
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| 15:49.01 | mgood7123 | ok |
| 15:49.22 | mgood7123 | can it support snippets |
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| 15:58.53 | thiago | mgood7123: the text editor itself it the same between kate and kwrite |
| 15:59.02 | thiago | the difference is everything *besides* the text editor |
| 15:59.15 | thiago | menus, file opening, sessions, built-in terminal, etc. |
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| 16:01.53 | mgood7123 | ok |
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| 16:03.09 | CrimsonSunrise | How do I start KDE services from other DEs? |
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| 16:03.58 | thiago | CrimsonSunrise: give us an example |
| 16:04.47 | CrimsonSunrise | I'm using LXQt and I want the Wacom daemon service to start when it opens, so I can use kcm-wacomtablet to configuer my tablet. |
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| 16:08.36 | CrimsonSunrise | Currently, when I open KDE settings and click on the tablet session, it says that the kde tablet service is not running. |
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| 16:10.33 | thiago | I didn't know there was one |
| 16:10.38 | thiago | try running kded5 |
| 16:12.07 | CrimsonSunrise | It didn't start the KDE wacom service. |
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| 16:14.05 | thiago | I don't know what provides that service |
| 16:14.19 | thiago | I don't have a kcm_wacomtabet |
| 16:14.38 | thiago | try listing the package that provides that kcm. Do you see a daemon or a kded module? |
| 16:15.21 | CrimsonSunrise | How do I do that? |
| 16:16.12 | leszek | that depends on your packagemanager and distro |
| 16:16.35 | CrimsonSunrise | Arch. |
| 16:16.55 | leszek | pacman -Ql can list things as far as I know |
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| 16:19.36 | CrimsonSunrise | Hm...Not finding it. Well, consider that kcm-wacomtablet is a Plasma 4 package, since no one is maintaining it anymore. |
| 16:20.02 | leszek | ah plasma 4 thingy then it won't work with kded5 |
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| 16:20.15 | CrimsonSunrise | It does work on KDE5 |
| 16:20.25 | leszek | with kded4 then |
| 16:20.25 | CrimsonSunrise | Well, it doesn't show in ther.e |
| 16:20.27 | leszek | I guess |
| 16:21.39 | CrimsonSunrise | The thing is that kded doesn't start the kde wacom tablet service, it seems. |
| 16:22.02 | leszek | uff |
| 16:22.13 | leszek | then can you check what is in the kcm-wacomtablet package to get a clue |
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| 16:23.36 | CrimsonSunrise | The package is compiled from AUR (kcm-wacomtablet-frameworks-git), so, I don't know what to check. |
| 16:24.16 | tosky | that's Frameworks |
| 16:24.23 | tosky | even if unstable |
| 16:24.47 | CrimsonSunrise | The regular kcm-wacomtablet from AUR doesn't work anymore. |
| 16:26.33 | CrimsonSunrise | I looked at the Plasma autostart stuff and there's only an entry called Wacom, which is described as the Wacom tablet daemon. |
| 16:26.44 | CrimsonSunrise | Apart from the others. |
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| 16:35.15 | CrimsonSunrise | How do I list all the services? |
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| 16:58.25 | CrimsonSunrise | kcm_wacomtablet is referenced by kcmshell5, btw. But opening it, just opens the tablet settings. |
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| 17:30.27 | CrimsonSunrise | Can I enable this automatically with some command? http://pasteboard.co/9O8zBWCCB.png |
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| 17:36.07 | Xal | I've got an issue with KMail. I'm trying to add my gmail account, but when I enter the imap server for gmail, the password box is greyed out. |
| 17:36.35 | Xal | When I add the account, I get a dialog with a web page (google) asking me to allow akonadi to manage my mail. |
| 17:36.57 | Xal | When I log in through the web page, it gives me a code and tells me to "enter the code into the application" to allow it to manage my account. |
| 17:37.11 | Xal | As far as I can see, there's no place to enter it |
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| 17:38.42 | Xal | http://i.imgur.com/DuzVo6z.png |
| 17:42.23 | Xal | http://i.imgur.com/cdeWptE.png |
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| 18:48.11 | xieyuheng | my shortcut for 'toggle present windows' does not work |
| 18:48.36 | xieyuheng | I bind the function to a key, by when the key is pressed, nothing happen |
| 18:49.10 | xieyuheng | anyone knows a possible reason ? |
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| 19:45.35 | redzombie | hey peeps! any ideas why the settings i'm saving in touchpad settings aren't saving? when i open it back up it says Active settings don't match saved settings. |
| 19:45.35 | redzombie | You currently see saved settings. |
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| 19:46.06 | redzombie | fedora with kde on a sony vaio if it matters |
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