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| 00:25.08 | kishore96 | I use global menus now, and they're prefectly stable. They don't work for gtk applications, but otherwise they're fine. |
| 00:25.20 | kishore96 | *perfectly |
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| 03:30.13 | merk_ | hi, I try to have the titlebar in one solid colour (#eff0f1) but the top edge has a different colour (#fdfdfd). There are also some colours in between. What settings to do I have to change to achieve this? "Active Titlebar" and "Active Titlebar Secondary" are both set to the same value (#eff0f1) |
| 03:31.11 | merk_ | running plasma 5.9.4, frameworks 5.32.0, qt 5.7.1 on oS tumbleweed |
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| 03:34.08 | merk_ | nevermind, figured it out. had "Draw window background gradient" on (under Window Decorations -> Breeze) |
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| 06:52.08 | lordievader | Good morning |
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| 07:53.42 | Tuor | Hi, i did install updates yesturday and now my plasmashell don't start at login. I tryed to start it with: killall plasmashell; kstart plasmashell but did not start. |
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| 07:55.35 | Tuor | this was it's output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24458941/ |
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| 07:58.08 | Tuor | How can I find out what the problem is? |
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| 08:02.46 | CryDeTaan | hi. I am trying to configure konsole on arch using a configuration file. and I see that there is a konsolerc file in my home dir. it references the profile I configured, but I am not sure where this profile is located on disk. |
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| 08:04.30 | CryDeTaan | also it doesn't look lik DefaultProfile=crydetaan.profile in the rc honers the ~/.config/konsole/crydetaan.profile |
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| 08:11.29 | CryDeTaan | okay, I got it. |
| 08:11.39 | CryDeTaan | ~/.local/konsole ;p |
| 08:12.51 | Tuor | I checked if there is any new update (maybe bugfix....) i found updates for plasmashell. I'm doing this now: sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade ;) Lets see if it fixes it self. :) |
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| 08:13.17 | Tuor | cu after reboot. ;) |
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| 08:17.49 | Tuor | It didn't help. :( |
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| 08:33.36 | Tuor | Is there a way to role back to an older plasma version? |
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| 08:34.22 | merk_ | Tuor: not sure if it changes anything, but shouldn't it be kstart5 instead of kstart? |
| 08:35.07 | leszek | Tuor: whats the issue ? |
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| 08:37.33 | Tuor | The issue is: I have no bar anymore. (where i can click to switch windows or activity). alt+tab is not working. the only thing working is: alt+space (krunner). |
| 08:37.48 | hateball | Tuor: do you usually start with a new or restored session? |
| 08:37.59 | hateball | if maybe something in the restored session is crashing on login |
| 08:38.05 | Tuor | hateball, new, but i have some programms in the autostart. |
| 08:38.11 | hateball | ah, right |
| 08:38.32 | leszek | Tuor: sounds like plasmashell crashed. Or does it show a background and right click is working ? |
| 08:38.45 | hateball | googling doesnt give much to go on.... apart from that plasma-popupapplet.desktop |
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| 08:39.30 | Verge | Nothing says it's relevant to the issue, though |
| 08:39.36 | Tuor | leszek, when i minimize all windows i see my desktop. i can rightclick there. |
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| 08:39.53 | Tuor | i googled yes. |
| 08:40.06 | hateball | Tuor: does the shell start on login, and then crash? or are panels gone from the start? |
| 08:40.09 | Tuor | I can give you the output of kstart plasmashell again (or kstart5...) |
| 08:40.23 | Tuor | hateball, they are gone from the start. |
| 08:40.32 | Tuor | I never see them when I login. |
| 08:40.37 | leszek | Tuor: can you create a new default panel again and does it work ? |
| 08:40.47 | leszek | with the right click that should work |
| 08:40.47 | Tuor | leszek, I'll try. |
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| 08:41.19 | Tuor | LOL! it works. |
| 08:41.24 | Tuor | I have the default bar again. |
| 08:41.33 | Tuor | i can work with this. |
| 08:42.11 | Tuor | I would just like to find out why this happened... I have customized my bar a bit. |
| 08:42.47 | Tuor | Thx for helping @all. Maybe we can find out what the problem was... |
| 08:42.51 | hateball | probably a defective plasmoid then |
| 08:43.00 | leszek | Tuor: I guess the config got f*cked up. You could try pasting the config somewhere from ~/.config/plasma-applets* |
| 08:43.13 | Tuor | sec |
| 08:43.40 | leszek | usually a broken plasmoid should only leave a broken icon in the panel but not make the whole panel dissappear. But everything can happen with thirdparty stuff |
| 08:44.29 | hateball | I seem to recall having some troubling ones in 4.x times, that required to edit plasma config files to get rid of |
| 08:45.19 | Tuor | which file do you like?: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24459075/ |
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| 08:45.42 | Tuor | I don't remeber having installed any thirdparty stuff for plasma. |
| 08:45.56 | Tuor | My alt+tab doesn't work as well... I'll check the shortcuts. |
| 08:47.15 | Tuor | The shortcut for alt+tab was gone. I have set it again. Works now. |
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| 08:49.15 | leszek | Tuor: thats the one containing the plasma desktop setup (plasmoids, panels, wallpapers and so on) plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc |
| 08:49.48 | leszek | Tuor: from which version of plasma did you upgrade to which version ? |
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| 08:50.14 | leszek | so from 5.7 to 5.9 or something ? That could maybe explain stuff as big changes happened |
| 08:51.27 | Tuor | i'm generaly to the latest version of plasma (using plasma 5.9) |
| 08:51.36 | Tuor | i'll be right back. |
| 08:52.25 | leszek | k |
| 08:55.30 | Tuor | plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24459101/ |
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| 09:07.56 | Tuor | Wow this file is pretty long. I can't understand most of it^^ |
| 09:08.48 | leszek | Tuor: lastScreen=1 and lastScreen=0. Seems like one panel is set to be visible on a second screen. Do you have two monitors attached (or one monitor besides the internal laptop one) |
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| 09:10.28 | Tuor | I have the laptop monitor (turned off) and an external monitor. But ATM I have a different external monitor connected then usualy. |
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| 09:11.45 | leszek | I see one panel with firefox, dolphin, konsole, kontact and so on on lastScreen=1 . I guess this is the missing panel as the other panel on screen=0 has the default favorites set |
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| 09:13.13 | Tuor | Ah ok. |
| 09:14.13 | leszek | Tuor: so in theory you could make this panel visible again by editing the config file and set lastScreen=0 for that panel. So from the position tag I see now the new one and the old one will be positioned overlapping each other |
| 09:14.17 | Tuor | So maybe when i connect the other display again, i'll get my old again... |
| 09:14.32 | leszek | yeah that would be the safest method |
| 09:15.20 | Tuor | The old was at the top of the screen, not bottom like the default bar. |
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| 09:15.46 | Tuor | I'll see when I connect the other again. I know it now so I can work with it. :) |
| 09:16.00 | leszek | :) |
| 09:16.56 | Tuor | An other problem: when I launch kontact the "note-window" appears, but no kontakt (mail, addrebook, calendar,...) |
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| 09:20.01 | leszek | note-window ? |
| 09:20.10 | leszek | can you provide a screenshot |
| 09:24.10 | Tuor | sec |
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| 09:26.41 | Tuor | Ah lol solved it. My sidebar was hidden. When i started kmail as standalone and then started kontakt again, mail mails showed up. So i searched for the sidebar and found it. |
| 09:26.59 | Tuor | A lot of strange things happened from yesturday to today ^^ |
| 09:27.13 | Tuor | but finaly things get normal again... |
| 09:30.40 | Tuor | So thx all for your help! |
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| 09:45.41 | Tuor | Where are shortcuts saved? I have crated a second user. the second user has normal screenshot keybindings and alt+tab, alt+` and so on works find there. I exported the global shortcuts and imported them here. For example alt+shift+tab works now again. The screenshot shortcuts are not in the global section and i would like to copy them 1:1. ;) |
| 09:46.38 | Tuor | why? reset does not reset to what it was when I first logged in with my user, but to a strange default. The default is not what a new user gets when he first login. So the reset functionality is pretty pointless... |
| 09:47.25 | leszek | might be that your distribution ships another default then upstream plasma ships |
| 09:48.16 | Tuor | I'm using KDE Neon 5.9. ;) So I thought it would be right.... |
| 09:48.40 | Tuor | But yea, maybe reset, does reset to the ubuntu standard not kde standard... |
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| 09:52.05 | Tuor | I did export the screenshot group and import in on my main account. works now. |
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| 09:54.06 | leszek | :) |
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| 10:15.51 | Tuor | VPN is working now to. DNS had to be set manualy, but now it works like expected. (until now i was using openvpn /etc/openvpn/connectionx/*.ovpn ;) ) |
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| 11:11.48 | ebye | on some systems I have this bug, where if I set the General font to a certain size, think it was 11, seemingly random characters are missing from window titles in the task bar |
| 11:11.55 | ebye | anyone know if this is a known bug, or what causes it |
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| 12:08.52 | BluesKaj | Hi folks |
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| 12:30.50 | pragomer_1 | where can I find the .desktop-files of kde-applications? e.g. gtk-apps like gimp, also vlc, firefox etc. are located in /usr/share/applications/ |
| 12:31.01 | pragomer_1 | where's for example the desktop-file of digikam, kenlive ? |
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| 12:34.34 | tosky | the answer is "in the same place", they are all applications; but the user left |
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| 16:49.29 | bodom | So... i've just upgraded to the new KDE and suddently found that the Windows key has now been mapped to the K menu. Is is possible to customize it again? |
| 16:50.50 | leszek | bodom: the super key basically is executing alt+f1 |
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| 16:53.08 | bodom | leszek: it was considered a distinct key before... do you mean it is now gone? |
| 16:53.17 | kishore96 | bodom: And in case you want to disable it, https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/55udc1/how_do_i_stop_the_meta_key_from_opening_the/ |
| 16:53.30 | kishore96 | We should put that as the channel topic. xD |
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| 16:56.02 | bodom | kishore96: thank you, i'm about to try it |
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| 16:57.19 | bodom | thank you, it worked |
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| 18:03.03 | kafloopascope | I don't suppose anyone knows how to get konsole's scrolling working nicely in the new tmux version . . . Apparently from now on tmux won't be friendly for mouse scrolling in terminal emulators. conf: https://ptpb.pw/qT77 scroll demo: https://streamable.com/d1hdi |
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| 18:22.50 | demlak | hi.. is it possible to drag'n'drop (or similar) to rearrange the tasks (opened windows) on the main panel? |
| 18:23.13 | demlak | latest kde plasma (arch linux) |
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| 18:26.20 | kafloopascope | demlak, not sure about on a standard panel, but definitely on a latte dock |
| 18:31.48 | asturm | demlak: settingse -> sorting -> manually |
| 18:31.51 | asturm | (I guess) |
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| 18:32.49 | demlak | perfect.. thx |
| 18:33.13 | demlak | i was looking on the wrong settings |
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| 18:54.56 | annadane | hi, how can i change the top window bar colour, for example opening firefox, where it contains the title of the page? on kde 4.14.2 |
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| 18:56.37 | kafloopascope | annadane, right click the titlebar, more actions, special app settings, appearance and fixes |
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| 18:58.10 | annadane | kafloopascope, doesn't seem to be anything there relating to that |
| 18:58.33 | kafloopascope | look closer |
| 18:58.47 | kafloopascope | 2nd item |
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| 18:59.28 | annadane | active opacity? |
| 19:01.59 | kafloopascope | annadane, no, before that |
| 19:02.10 | kafloopascope | that is the 3rd item for e |
| 19:02.12 | kafloopascope | *me |
| 19:02.28 | annadane | i'll just give you a screenshot |
| 19:02.36 | kafloopascope | oh sorry, just saw your crazy old kde version |
| 19:02.45 | kafloopascope | (plasma version) |
| 19:03.28 | demlak | thx bye |
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| 19:05.36 | kafloopascope | Does anyone know a good konsole replacement? I still use it, but it's driving me crazy with implicit eating up of certain keys like shift, and now a lot of breakage with the new tmux version. I don't need tabs or splitting, just looking for real transparency, lightweight, ligature/ligation support, color scheme support, and keyboard-shortcuts for changing the font size. |
| 19:07.11 | boombatower | can't find anything so I'll assume it hasn't been done, but does anyone know if konsole has ansi (or other) method of creating a link without having to display entire url? |
| 19:07.15 | boombatower | like https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1fr32c/proposed_new_ansi_escape_sequences_for_hyperlinks/ |
| 19:07.18 | tosky | kafloopascope: I don't have an answer, but as tmux user I was curious, which kind of breakages (and which version of tmux)? |
| 19:08.04 | annadane | kafloopascope, https://imgur.com/a/frCZY |
| 19:09.19 | kafloopascope | tosky, I prefer to use konsole's scrolling when I can, and new tmux loses scrollback lines even if you don't switch pane/window/whatever. But more extreme, simply cat-ing large files clobbers over itself or the prompt or something. https://streamable.com/d1hdi |
| 19:09.59 | kafloopascope | annadane, yeah, what you're asking for is possible in current (and many older) versions of plasma. |
| 19:10.09 | kafloopascope | (older than current, that is -- newer than yours) |
| 19:10.26 | tosky | kafloopascope: so that happens when you use konsole scrollback instead of tmux native one? |
| 19:10.28 | annadane | i mean i'm sure i can just change the theme and it would do this |
| 19:10.30 | tosky | just to understand |
| 19:10.37 | kafloopascope | tosky, see the video |
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| 19:10.58 | tosky | kafloopascope: seen it, and I didn't see the tmux markers when you enter in copy mode, so I assume you were scrolling in konsole |
| 19:11.29 | kafloopascope | annadane, yeah, I thought you wanted to do it differently on a per-app basis, that's what I was thinking of |
| 19:11.42 | kafloopascope | tosky, yes, that's right |
| 19:11.48 | tosky | ack, thanks |
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| 19:12.40 | kafloopascope | tosky, also, I'd like to use certain keybindings like shift+cursor-keys to select text in my preferred text editor, but konsole prevents that from working _most_ of the time |
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| 19:51.03 | kafloopascope | here's a clearer shorter video of just the konsole cat problem: https://streamable.com/euh8z |
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| 19:55.29 | shadowbane | got the latest plasma running on Centos7. |
| 19:55.34 | shadowbane | celebrates. :) |
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| 20:23.55 | kafloopascope | in calligra words, is it possible to toggle/minimize a dock? |
| 20:25.13 | kafloopascope | ah, found it in shortcuts |
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| 20:37.12 | twentyfour | hi could someone help me with a weird problem with plasma? |
| 20:37.19 | twentyfour | I can't alt+tab anymore |
| 20:37.47 | dontknow | twentyfour, log out, log in? |
| 20:37.58 | twentyfour | dontknow: tried that |
| 20:38.16 | dontknow | kde neon? |
| 20:38.18 | twentyfour | it's been like this for a month or so, tried searching for results but didn't come up with anything |
| 20:38.31 | twentyfour | uh debian sid so I think it's a versioned release |
| 20:38.49 | dontknow | ehh it is sid after all |
| 20:38.50 | twentyfour | 5.8.6 |
| 20:39.10 | twentyfour | yeah but I have the exact same install on my laptop, and it works fine |
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| 20:53.48 | kafloopascope | can anyone else open docx files with okular straight from dolphin? running "okular <docx file>" in konsole works, but setting the default app to okular and setting it to run in terminal fails and konsole reads "Unknown option 'caption'." |
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| 20:57.15 | dontknow | wtf! i didn't know ocular can open docx |
| 21:01.51 | kafloopascope | dontknow, I just noticed after a recent update that okular had (on arch) this optional dependency: "calligra: ODT and ODP support" so I tried it |
| 21:02.01 | kafloopascope | works, but not from dolphin |
| 21:03.07 | kafloopascope | gotta run. anyone here have okular 17.04.0 and calligra and dolphin, to quickly test? |
| 21:05.08 | dontknow | i have version 0.26.1 |
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| 21:05.15 | dontknow | and no calligra |
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| 21:07.31 | kafloopascope | alright, well I'm off, bye everyone |
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| 23:16.47 | Skeer | Anyone here run SQL Developer in Plasma ? |
| 23:18.12 | Skeer | I just tried for the first time.. plasma-discover crashed. I generated the trace and submitted the bugreport. |
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| 23:29.29 | kdeuser | So, I'm using a vaguely-up-to-date "kde5", gentoo's kde-meta 16.12.2. All of a sudden, Alt+Tab, and window resize/move have stopped working. |
| 23:29.43 | kdeuser | Alt+F3 works, new windows can be created |
| 23:30.10 | kdeuser | I've restarted kwin (kwin_x11 --replace), but that didn't help. Switching desktops works. Krunner works. |
| 23:30.20 | kdeuser | Any idea what might be up, or what I might look at to figure what the hell happened? |
| 23:30.45 | kdeuser | (The keyboard shortcuts for the relevant actions are still in place. Clearing them and resetting them back to their previous value didn't help.) |
| 23:31.20 | kdeuser | Oh, and clicking on the titlebar of a window raises it to the top of the stack, as expected. |
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| 23:32.08 | kdeuser | Yeah, all the stack manipulation operations (push to bottom, bring to top) work. Alt+tab, resize, and move don't. |
| 23:32.32 | Zren | kdeuser, Open KSysGuard, how many instances of kwin? |
| 23:33.10 | kdeuser | Zren, there's one instance of kwin_x11 |
| 23:33.35 | kdeuser | No other proc running with kwin in the name |
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| 23:35.27 | kdeuser | hmm |
| 23:35.52 | kdeuser | Doing the same thing, but using "kwrapper5 kwin_x11 -replace" restored window moving. |
| 23:36.23 | kdeuser | (er --replace) |
| 23:37.28 | kdeuser | Zren, What's kwrapper5? Is there some magic that it does that would have solved my problem, or was this just coincidence? |
| 23:38.09 | kdeuser | Zren, OH, THIS IS WEIRD! |
| 23:38.31 | kdeuser | Zren, If I close the terminal window that kwin_x11 was run from, window move/resize stops working. |
| 23:38.40 | kdeuser | If I leave it open, then it stays working. |
| 23:39.02 | Zren | uh |
| 23:39.24 | kdeuser | Zren, (and yeah, I used "&" to run kwin detached) |
| 23:39.26 | Zren | kstart5 kwin_x11 --replace? |
| 23:39.32 | Zren | oh |
| 23:39.32 | kdeuser | *tries that* |
| 23:39.38 | Zren | iunno then |
| 23:39.53 | kdeuser | "Unknown option 'replace'." |
| 23:40.19 | Zren | shrugs |
| 23:40.31 | Zren | I guess it though it was a kstart5 param |
| 23:40.38 | kdeuser | Ah. kstart5 doesn't correctly parse its args. needed -- |
| 23:40.57 | kdeuser | hmm, using kstart5 might have worked |
| 23:41.17 | Zren | try kwin_x11 --replace & disown |
| 23:42.02 | kdeuser | Zren, bah. Whatever kstart5 did to kwin appears to have stuck. I can't repro the problem anymore. |
| 23:42.08 | kdeuser | (assuming that it wasn't coincidence) |
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| 23:42.34 | Zren | shrugs |
| 23:42.36 | kdeuser | What's the difference between kstart5 and kwrapper5, and why do they appear to be undocumented? :( |
| 23:43.22 | kdeuser | well, kstart5 has useful --help output at least... |
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| 23:45.00 | kdeuser | Oh, no. It stopped again. Grr |
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| 23:46.53 | kdeuser | kwin reports: QXcbConnection: XCB error: 3 (BadWindow), sequence: 39873, resource id: 98570527, major code: 18 (ChangeProperty), minor code: 0 |
| 23:46.58 | kdeuser | whenever I attempt to move a window |
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| 23:47.06 | kdeuser | (when it fails to move a window) |
| 23:47.43 | kdeuser | Nothing else in its output before it suddenly stops moving/resizing windows. |
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| 23:54.35 | kdeuser | Zren, yeah... if I don't switch desktops, window resize/move/alt+tab works. The second I switch desktops it stopps working and kwin starts emitting the BadWindow messages every time I try to do those things. kwin's responsible for desktop switching too, right? |
| 23:58.28 | Zren | probably |
| 23:59.30 | Zren | a relog will fix it certainly, but you can keep trying to debug it if you want to narrow down on it |