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00:18.23*** topic/#kde is KDE Plasma 5.9 and KDE Applications 16.12 are out! See www.kde.org | http://userbase.kde.org | http://forum.kde.org | Don't flood the channel, use http://paste.kde.org | Distro related questions go in your distro channel | Offtopic in #kde-chat | State your distribution and KDE version when asking questions | Don't delete ~/.kde,~/.kde4, ~/.local or ~/.config
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00:19.53SmokeyDHi all, I am having a problem with KTorrent. It seems not to support smb:// style KIO file locations when I want to move a torrent's data to a different location
00:19.56SmokeyDis that correct?
00:20.36SmokeyDand if so, is there a way to make other pograms which don't support KIO style file locations still access them without having to manually mount them through the CL or etc/fstab?
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07:17.37hlthello
07:17.48hlti was able to run plasma5 successfully
07:17.54hlthowever i have 2 issues
07:17.59hlt1)a
07:18.01hltsorry
07:18.26hlt1) all fonts look very blurry and they have an orange/blueish tint on them, why is this? see here: https://s10.postimg.org/6nh939kx5/blurry_fonts.png
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07:19.08hlt2) in kde neon there was an option to adapt the GTK theme to the kde theme but i cannot see this option on my install, what package could this be in? I run gentoo
07:24.10hltalso another thing, when i click on the KDE start menu or, well, any of the icons like the clock or the clipboard on the taskbar their menus open with a 1-2 second delay
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08:53.21Tott3Yo, I'm trying run a game, but KDE is interacting with my hotkeys in the game. If I bind a spell to lets say CTRL+FX, it'll interupt with some desktop shortcut. Is there any way to ignore these shortcuts when the game is in focus?
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08:58.08cb400fTott3: in systemsettings -> window manager -> window rules (appearance and exceptions tab) you can set a rule for a window to ignore global shortcuts... maybe this will work
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09:01.38Tott3cb400f: MVP! Amazing, thanks! This been driving me nuts.
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09:32.27flipper-maniachi, I'm searching for the package that allows you to add networkbridges in the networkmanager, anyone who knows which?
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11:13.15BluesKajHowdy folks
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12:29.20NI4NIHey, is anyone here familiar with Kdbg?
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13:03.06mrhankyis there a way to hide autostarted applications? like minimize to tray?
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13:08.37rdietermrhanky: if you combine it with kstart/kstart5 you can
13:09.04rdietere.g.  kstart5 --iconify <app>
13:09.33rdieter(will likely require you to create a custom autostart entry)
13:09.36toskymrhanky: some applications also provide a command line switch
13:09.49toskyfor example akregator
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13:13.08mrhankyoh
13:13.19mrhankyi'll take a look :)]
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13:32.43dhe_Hi according to "ls /tmp/.X11-unix" my display variable is X0 - if I set it "export DISPLAY=:0" and want to start a certain java application using the terminal it just throws ( Can't connect to X11 window server using ':0' as the value of the DISPLAY variable. ) could someone help me, please?
13:34.46toskydhe_: this is not exactly an issue related to the KDE stack; do you run the java application using a different user than the one logged in?
13:35.51dhe_well, I'm dumb
13:35.55dhe_thx ;)
13:35.59toskyo.O
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13:38.31fotonzadeHello, I am using ubuntu and installed Korganizer
13:38.59fotonzadeIt says the akonadi personal information management service is not running
13:39.39fotonzadehttp://imgur.com/a/S8TyK
13:40.50toskyand pushing "start" does not start it, I guess?
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13:42.14fotonzadeno it tells me that it isn't operational
13:42.35fotonzadehttp://imgur.com/a/zDRI8
13:43.04toskyand what does the details button say?
13:44.00fotonzadenothing
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13:44.06fotonzadepressing it doesnt do anything
13:45.57toskyI suspect that something is missing (some package required which is not installed for some reason), but not sure how to check
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13:47.19fotonzade:(
13:47.59toskyI don't have ubuntu; from a quick check on packages.ubuntu.com, the required dependencies should be pulled when you install the package
13:49.33toskyare the packages akonadi-backend-mysql and akonadi-server installed ?
13:51.50fotonzadeReading state information... Done
13:51.50fotonzadeakonadi-backend-mysql is already the newest version (4:16.04.3-0ubuntu2).
13:51.50fotonzadeakonadi-server is already the newest version (4:16.04.3-0ubuntu2).
13:51.51fotonzadeyes
13:53.22toskyyou may try to install akonadiconsole, which is a developer tool that helps monitoring the status of this caching library (akonadi)
13:54.59fotonzadeI think Im jsut gonna try using evolution
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17:03.02tavishhelllo, I am using kubuntu 17.04 and I have been experiencing periodic UI/audio lock-ups for no apparent reason. I do not get these when I'm using say cinnamon desktop. Any ideas how to diagnose the issue? I don't see any high cpu usage programs, nothing in dmesg
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17:08.22kishore96tavish: Check hard disk io too. That might be a bottleneck.
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17:38.15pronoboHello
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17:44.32pronoboDoes KDE have a plan/strategy to get more users/devs in the upcoming years?
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18:16.49Igelhi quick question.. (kde 4.14.2, debian/jessie) the running taskmenu (after some time) fails to visually update. So widgest like cpu usage or even minimize/maximize of windows do not update their values in the taskmenu.. i have to mouse-click an icon/widget in order for everything to visually update
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18:19.41Igeltheres a command to restart the taskmenu's? i have multiple monitors
18:20.07Igelpronobo: upgrade / show users kde5 :)
18:22.58pronobohehe
18:24.04pronoboIgel, Basically - I agree! Are there any plans of showing it/installing it in schools or giving courses using kde based distros and so on?
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18:27.35toskyso nothing, because there is no kde5
18:27.57toskyIgel: no, you have to restart the entire plasma (which does not mean that you need to restart the session)
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18:28.57Igeli am running kde 5.28 i think
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18:29.42Igelits pretty slick
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18:59.15toskyIgel: there is no KDE 5.28
18:59.42toskyIgel: https://dot.kde.org/2009/11/24/repositioning-kde-brand
19:01.27bluecktosky: fighting like Don Quixote ;-)
19:01.49toskyblueck: eh :)
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19:54.16Igeltosky: what am i reading
19:56.59Igelso i should say plasma instead of kde?
19:57.14Igelive been running kde for like 20 years
19:57.17Igelgive me a break
19:59.13toskyIgel: no, you have been running software by KDE; in the last 10 years you have been using Plasma and other software by KDE
20:00.42Igelhmm
20:00.55Igelnext time im asked what im running, its kde plasma ?
20:01.00SkeerI had to wikipedia this.. but yeah Plasma 5 (current) has been around for +-2 years.  Plasma 4.. it ran for 9 years.
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20:01.29SkeerBut I can attest to what Igel is saying.  Seems like the name Plasma just started becoming a thing.
20:01.49SkeerOr maybe it just started being used heavily in the past year-ish
20:02.52Igelword
20:02.58phoggSo what do you call the desktop environment if not KDE?
20:03.21Igelit is kde plasma (?)
20:03.30phoggSure but there are lots of parts that are not plasma, such as kwin.
20:03.46SkeerIm lazy.. I'd prolly just use Plasma
20:04.00phoggI'm lazy, I'd probably just use KDE. Seems about equally inaccurate.
20:04.33SkeerI dont totally agree with tosky on the naming.. if KDE 4 Plasma was a DE then so is KDE 5 PLasma which to me means the name is 'KDE 5 Plasma'
20:04.50toskySkeer: not correct
20:05.00toskySkeer: the name was never "KDE 4 Plasma"
20:05.21toskyphogg: the DE is Plasma, no discussion about that
20:05.39phoggFrom the linked article it seems like I should say "I run KDE Plasma Desktop x.x" - is that right?
20:05.53SkeerAny links to proof tosky?
20:06.07toskySkeer: did you see the link above?
20:06.19SkeerWell apaprently not since IM asking.
20:06.43toskyphogg: things changed a bit, so "Desktop" is not needed; also, Plasma is enough
20:07.04toskyphogg: do you always call "Adobe Photoshop" or simply "Photoshop"? It's the same for "KDE Plasma" and "Plasma"
20:07.16toskyin fact the splash screen in the last versions has "Plasma by KDE"
20:07.44phoggtosky: I though plasma was the name for the workspace shell. Widgets, desktop, etc.. Does the name include systemsettings, kwin and all?
20:07.51SkeerWhat about the face that the link you provided actually says:
20:07.53SkeerWe will use distinct brands for the software that was previously referred to generically as “KDE”:
20:07.54SkeerThe KDE Workspaces will be separately referred to as "KDE Plasma Desktop" and "KDE Plasma Netbook"
20:07.55toskyphogg: includes kwin and systemsettings
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20:08.20SkeerSeems to me that KDE themselves says to call it KDE Plasma Desktop.. (which is a mouthfull(
20:08.21Skeer)
20:08.49toskyphogg: those all tarballs parts of Plasma 5.9.4: https://download.kde.org/stable/plasma/5.9.4/
20:09.03toskySkeer: please read *all* the document, not just one part
20:09.21SkeerYou know what.. it doesnt matter wth you wanna call it.  This arguing is stupid.
20:09.21toskySkeer: "The KDE technologies used for building applications will be referred to as the "KDE Platform""
20:09.47toskySkeer: it's not stupid, it's important for a tons of reasons
20:09.49SkeerIf Igel's been using it for longer than you;ve been alaive and calling it KDE that's totally fine.
20:09.57toskysorry, it's not
20:10.20toskyfirst of all, people could still think that "KDE Applications" are strictly linked to a certain desktop
20:10.26toskywhich is absolutely not the case
20:10.30Igelno no
20:10.33Igeli'm wrong
20:10.50toskySkeer: and you don't know how much I've been using it (namely, since KDE 1, 1998)
20:11.00SkeerDo you really need to be so condescending?
20:11.01toskyinstalled on Pentium 90
20:11.05Igelfrom here on out, i'm running kde plasma
20:11.35toskySkeer: it's not me who mentioned how much I've been using it
20:11.38SkeerDamn man.. you shoudl likghten up a bit.. You act as though it'd emotionally hurt you if I call it KDE.
20:11.49Igelirc sucks because theres no vocal tone in our text, interpreting is like russian to english.. we all get buried
20:12.00SkeerI think the main point is that people use it and lvoe it.
20:12.03Skeer*love
20:12.08Igelpulls out desert eagle
20:12.10toskyand then, what's "it"?
20:12.26toskythat's the point, people still thinks that "KDE" is a monolithic block of software
20:12.31SkeerSince you're acting the way you are.. Hell I'll call it KDE all day long.
20:12.37IgelAny of you fucking pricks move, and I'll execute every motherfucking last one of ya!
20:12.41toskycalling the DE still KDE is damaging us (KDE, the community)
20:12.48SkeerBut seriously.. I call it Plasma.
20:12.51toskyeh?
20:13.23toskyI could say the same for what I've read in the backlog: denials and refusal
20:13.34SkeerYou do need to get down off teh high horse.  Attitudes like yours drive off the newcomer
20:13.40toskyeven when brining proffs
20:13.43toskyproof*
20:13.52shtrb|laptopjust the DE that shall not be named
20:14.04toskyI think that the discussion with Igel was perfectly fine; please re-read the discussion
20:14.08shtrb|laptop*all should say , the DE that shall not be named
20:14.25Igelshtrb gets it..
20:14.28toskyI only pointed out that a certain document had the explanation when I was told twice that it had not it
20:14.50shtrb|laptopis joking because he already got schooled about it
20:15.02phoggtosky: Do/did people really have a hard time understanding that you don't e.g. need kwin to run knoqueror?
20:15.18SkeerI see mentions of KDE Plasma Desktop, Plasma Desktop, and at the very top: KDE instead of K Desktop Environment.
20:15.19Igelyo im not going to argue w/ a dev about it
20:15.20toskyphogg: yes, unfortunately
20:16.21toskyphogg: and installing "tons of libraries" is still an issue (even if we split kdelibs4 into tons of small libraries which makes the product called Frameworks)
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20:17.57phoggtosky: Some people have no sense
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20:19.21phoggtosky: I'm glad the K Desktop part got dropped (a decade is long enough for that joke) but the rest of the renaming is just confusing.
20:20.03Leoneof|2why dolphin is slow? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMu9sFmyCXA
20:21.32toskyphogg: to be honest the acronym was not used even around 2003 or so; no mention of it here after the release announcements of 3.1
20:21.49toskyphogg: what do you see confusing on the current structure?
20:22.48phoggtosky: When I want to talk about the whole desktop+applications it's now harder than it was. Before "KDE" now "KDE Plasma and the applications"
20:23.04IgelLeoneof|2: i think the question is why does dolphin not index thumbnails of images so they appear quickly
20:23.04toskyLeoneof|2: I don't know, my JPG are going as the nautilus ones (but I don't know your system)
20:23.26phoggtosky: I basically have the opposite problem of the project: I like thinking of them all together, so it's worse for me if they're not.
20:23.28Leoneof|2Igel: i intented to clear the thumbnail cache to show you the real speed
20:23.54toskyphogg: but all of them? Including Krita, digiKam, Kile and WikiToLearn?
20:24.26phoggtosky: Well, most of them... I admit I don't use everything.
20:24.37Leoneof|2tosky: it's same speed with dual core, core i3, i5, tried many pcs/laptops.
20:24.41toskyphogg: you use Plasma and KDE software
20:24.46Igeli believe you -- i would bet there is something precomputed
20:24.58toskyLeoneof|2: definitely faster for me (DNG are slower, of course, but each one is 16MB )
20:25.14Igeleg; windows explorer is really garbage
20:25.27Leoneof|2Igel: garbage but very fast.
20:25.31Igeldefine fast
20:25.37Igelit's working all the time
20:25.38Leoneof|2thumbnails.
20:26.02Igelthere must be a feature to enable this in dolphin.
20:26.34Igellike with nepomuk
20:26.41Leoneof|2Igel: i which, it's still same slowness since dolphin4
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20:28.32Leoneof|2it's really annoying to copy new images from camera/mobile to hdd, because dolphin is slow for generating thumbnails. *_*
20:28.49toskyIgel: it is an option, anyway (not enabled by default)
20:28.54Leoneof|2so i have to wait ~2min to complete the thumbnails
20:29.20Igeli dont seem to have nepomuk installed on both these workstations
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20:29.55Igelok um., so there is a solution for Leone?
20:29.56Leoneof|2my nepomuk is disabled too.
20:30.20Leoneof|2Igel: no idea, i wish devs to reread about functions for thumbnails?
20:30.31Leoneof|2maybe there are bad algortihm, code,..etc.
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20:33.11Igelis it akonadi?
20:33.12Igelor baloo?
20:33.23toskyakonadi is a cache for email data
20:33.25toskynothing to do here
20:33.54toskythe extractor part of baloo may be running, Leoneof|2 would see it in the process list
20:34.59toskyLeoneof|2: is it the same speed in gwenview? I think that the thumbnails may be shared (but I don't remember now)
20:35.28Leoneof|2tosky: iirc, i always disable/stop services like akonadi, baloo, striggy(can't recall correctly?
20:35.49Leoneof|2tosky: same speed with gwenview :|
20:35.52toskyakonadi is independent
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20:35.59toskystrigi does not exist anymore
20:36.39Igelhttps://api.kde.org/frameworks/kio/html/classThumbCreator.html
20:36.44Igelthing thingie ?
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20:37.28Leoneof|2my first work with kde in 2010, and dolphin was like this speed till this moment, strange :\
20:37.30IgelCacheThumbnail=false
20:37.36toskyLeoneof|2: it's kio_thumbnail
20:37.48Igelyou have a .desktop file?
20:37.50toskyit's not dolphin
20:38.38toskyor at least some plugin
20:38.54Igela lot of info here: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?67642-FAQ-KDE-preview-thumbnail
20:42.28IgelLeoneof|2: thats a good video, you should post it to linux.reddit.com
20:42.49toskyright, the most useful place to get insightful and non-ranting comments
20:42.59Igelsorry
20:43.10Leoneof|2Igel: i don't know how, and this is my sec video on youtube :]
20:43.24Leoneof|2Igel: but you have rights to spread it :D
20:43.34Igelbut reddit is asynchronous where IRC really is not
20:44.02Igeltheres like 4 people here now.. so, why not have a bunch of people debate about filemanagers for a day or two HEH
20:44.19toskythe people working on filemanagers, sure
20:44.35toskyso, at least, it should be on the kde section of reddit
20:44.53Igeldo it
20:44.54toskysecond, dolphin has a mailing list
20:45.15Igelthats the best, cause it will get archived over the web as well
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20:56.47Sirmaxalot305so what does everybody think of the new logo on plasma.
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21:13.43Sirmaxalot305so anybody even on the channel right now.
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21:19.56Anatzum@Sirmaxalot305: anythings better then the logo from kde4 imo :p
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21:32.38shtrband what logo are you talking about ?
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21:35.17pronoboDoes anyone know whether KDE have a plan/strategy to get more users/devs in the upcoming years? Is there a place I can read about this?
21:35.45pronoboabout any initiative if there is one
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21:36.17shtrbkde-devel
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21:37.55pronoboshtrb, You mean I should ask there?
21:38.26shtrbyes
21:38.34shtrbit's a mailing list
21:39.59pronoboOh, I thought you referred to the channel #kde-devel
21:40.12shtrbthat too
21:40.13shtrb:)
21:40.36pronobohehe
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22:20.04davidebeatriciHi
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22:20.28davidebeatriciI have a friend who has installed Debian Stretch RC 3 on a PC with a MSI Z170A Gaming M5, an i7-6700K and 2 R9 480
22:20.36davidebeatriciHe has enabled the IGD Multi-Monitor option in his BIOS
22:20.43davidebeatriciHe has one monitor connected to the primary 480 and one to the integrated graphics card
22:21.05Guest74885hi, I am using kubuntu 16.04 and I have a big problem with plasma panels not keeping their sizes
22:21.20davidebeatriciOn Windows both monitors work fine
22:21.34davidebeatriciOn Debian, only the one connected to the dedicated GPU is detected
22:21.45davidebeatriciInitially dmesg displayed an error regarding the Intel firmware
22:21.56davidebeatriciHe installed the firmware with the package firmware-misc-nonfree
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22:22.06davidebeatriciAnd the errors don't appear anymore in dmesg
22:22.16davidebeatricidmesg: https://pastebin.com/MD2AEezu
22:22.31Guest74885I'm kind of panicing because I have set a lady up with a well configured desktop enviornment, and when she rebooted she can't use it anymore... I tried making the plasma config files read only, but plasma complains about that (it shouldn't )
22:22.53Guest74885and the panels are still coming up narrow. (the main panel1 is on the left)
22:23.34EagleScreendavidebeatrici: monitor not detected in Display/Monitor configuration module?
22:23.46davidebeatriciEagleScreen: Exactly
22:25.44davidebeatricixrandr -q shows both monitors correctly
22:25.57EagleScreendavidebeatrici: has that card NVidia chip?
22:26.48davidebeatriciNo, he has 2 AMD Radeon R9 480s and the integrated Intel HD 530
22:27.03davidebeatricihttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/H7G9JGy9/xrandr%20-q
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22:28.14EagleScreendavidebeatrici: can you see the two cards in command "xrandr --listproviders" ¿?
22:28.25davidebeatriciEagleScreen: 3 cards
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22:28.37davidebeatriciProviders: number : 3
22:28.38davidebeatriciProvider 0: id: 0xdb cap: 0xf, Source Output, Sink Output, Source Offload, Sink Offload crtcs: 6 outputs: 5 associated providers: 0 name:POLARIS10 @ pci:0000:01:00.0
22:28.38davidebeatriciProvider 1: id: 0x7f cap: 0xf, Source Output, Sink Output, Source Offload, Sink Offload crtcs: 3 outputs: 2 associated providers: 0 name:modesetting
22:28.38davidebeatriciProvider 2: id: 0x5a cap: 0xf, Source Output, Sink Output, Source Offload, Sink Offload crtcs: 6 outputs: 5 associated providers: 0 name:POLARIS10 @ pci:0000:02:00.0
22:29.44EagleScreencan you see the two monitors in command "xrandr --listmonitors" ¿?
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22:31.29davidebeatriciEagleScreen: No, only one
22:31.32davidebeatriciMonitors: 1
22:31.33davidebeatrici<PROTECTED>
22:32.24EagleScreendavidebeatrici: which is the external graphics card?
22:32.40davidebeatriciProvider 0 and Provider 2
22:32.45davidebeatriciThe two POLARIS10
22:33.06EagleScreenand the comertial Brand and Model?
22:33.33EagleScreenRadeon R9?
22:34.15davidebeatriciYes
22:34.18EagleScreenRadeon RX?
22:34.28davidebeatriciYes
22:34.44davidebeatriciRadeon RX 480, 8 GB version
22:35.21davidebeatriciThis one: http://www.sapphiretech.com/productdetial.asp?pid=251A3BDE-2CC1-4C49-B661-165D72DEA40A&lang=eng
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22:39.11EagleScreenit is supposed to be supported since Linux kernel 4.7
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22:40.09EagleScreenwhat I don't know is if Xorg is compatible with that IGD Multi-Monitor technology
22:40.14EagleScreenanyone know?
22:40.38davidebeatriciThe drivers for the RX 480 are OK
22:40.49davidebeatriciInstalled with firmware-amd-graphics
22:41.12EagleScreenyou might want to try some distribution with Wayland to check
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22:42.33EagleScreenI think that Ubuntu GNOME 17.04 comes with Wayland, you can choose Wayland session at gdm
22:43.38davidebeatriciI see that Debian has packages for Wayland
22:43.49EagleScreenyes, also
22:46.12davidebeatricihttps://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/wayland
22:46.21davidebeatriciWhich packages do I need to install?
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22:47.28EagleScreendon't know, I have never used Wayland
22:51.23EagleScreenfor KDE: plasma-workspace-wayland must be one
22:54.34davidebeatricikwayland-integration
22:54.34davidebeatricikwin-wayland
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22:54.35davidebeatriciplasma-workspace-wayland
22:54.42davidebeatriciThese are the packages I told him to install
22:56.08EagleScreenI think you must select Wayland session in SDDM
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22:58.30weabotdavidebeatrici: if there's no sddm session try to start it with startplasmacompositor in a tty
22:58.59davidebeatriciOK, thank you :)
23:00.11EagleScreendavidebeatrici: why dont connect both monitors to the same card?
23:00.31davidebeatriciBecause he wants to use VGA-Passthrough
23:01.18davidebeatriciBy passing the two cards to a guest Windows under KVM
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23:02.42EagleScreen:o
23:05.58davidebeatriciHe logged out, chose Wayland and then logged in again
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23:06.21davidebeatriciNow he rebooted because everything acted weirdly
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23:09.38EagleScreenunfortunately, very new technologies, sometimes start to work on Linux later than in other comertial OS, (but sometimes is also the contrary)
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23:27.18davidebeatriciEagleScreen: The second monitor is still not detected
23:27.34davidebeatriciHe's now downloading the KDE Plasma Wayland image to give it a try
23:27.41davidebeatricihttps://files.kde.org/neon/images/plasma-wayland-devedition-gitunstable/current/
23:29.49EagleScreengood luck
23:29.54EagleScreensee you
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23:44.24Oderushello. does anyone happen to have a link to a list of names for all supported icons in the lastest kubuntu? I can't seem to find anything up to date; even an icon making tutorial with an included list or guide for icon naming.. something newer than 2012 heh :)
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