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| 04:12.00 | twellick | global screen tearing anyone? nvidia drivers installed and working, running X11, f25 kde5 |
| 04:12.01 | twellick | [23:03] <twellick> changed composting to full repaint too |
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| 06:38.39 | lordievader | Good morning |
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| 06:43.02 | Wapanese | Hello. |
| 06:43.06 | lordievader | Hey Wapanese |
| 06:43.25 | Wapanese | What is K in KDE name? |
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| 06:43.50 | Wapanese | Kool? Kawaii? K? |
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| 06:47.29 | EmeraldLeo | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.16 | lordievader | Wapanese: From Wikipedia: "The K was originally suggested to stand for "Kool", but it was quickly decided that the K should stand for nothing in particular. Therefore, the KDE initialism expanded to "K Desktop Environment" before it was dropped altogether in favor of KDE = Community due to the rebranding effort." |
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| 06:54.17 | Wapanese | Why is Kandalf removed? |
| 06:55.04 | Wapanese | (Also Konqi is different in KDE 4 and KDE 5) |
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| 08:34.17 | asturm | Wapanese: that doesn't make sense |
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| 08:35.08 | asturm | I guess one could argue that konqi is different with each release. however, it switched from kdelibs-4 to kf-5 based in applications-16.12 |
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| 08:54.13 | hendrix_ | Wapanese: my personal guess it was originally supposed to resemble or pay homage to the "CDE" or "Common Desktop Environment", which was unix desktop environment back in the day when first KDE desktop was being developed. |
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| 09:01.59 | hlt | hello, can I make a bug report for the KDE neon installer? if you switch the theme to Breeze-Dark on the livecd all text in the indtaller becomes white and you cannot read anything |
| 09:02.06 | hlt | using dev edition git stable |
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| 09:04.47 | hlt | ok now the kde installer OOM'd |
| 09:06.04 | tosky | bug reports go to bugs.kde.org, product "neon" |
| 09:06.09 | hlt | okay |
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| 09:38.29 | hlt | ok bug report made |
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| 13:39.17 | BluesKaj | HI folks |
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| 14:24.17 | crzyp3ck | start od sddm would pick up which of the following choices? 1.~/.xinitrc 2.~/.bashrc 3.~/.profile ??????\ |
| 14:25.12 | asturm | crzyp3ck: is that a question? |
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| 14:25.20 | crzyp3ck | asturm: yes |
| 14:25.27 | asturm | do you want to start plasma manually instead of sddm? |
| 14:26.56 | crzyp3ck | I do want to start something else i.e blackbox fluxbox ... with sddm and i want to know to which bag I should put my stuff in |
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| 14:36.42 | alicef | someone is using mutt on kde with Konsole ? |
| 14:37.52 | alicef | would be so nice to share is own mutt color profile... all the color profile I tried with mutt on kde are horrible :( |
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| 14:53.29 | sponge | Hello |
| 14:54.40 | sponge | Are there any shortcuts for applications in plasma 5? For example, a shortcut for dolphin/firefox/kwrite? or should the be created from scratch? |
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| 15:36.22 | kishore96 | sponge: You'll have to define your own in the 'custom shortcuts' thing. |
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| 15:44.12 | sponge | ok. thanks kishore96 |
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| 19:48.24 | blndidiot | Hey guys. I have my NAS mounted as an NFS share. All of the sudden I can't access it.. and when I type sudo mount -a, the process hangs and never completes and I have to ctrl+c to get out of it. I can't reboot right now.. any ideas? |
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| 19:49.24 | blndidiot | I've had it up and running like this for several months without any trouble. The share is still accessible, as I can get to it on my Plex VM.. it's something on this machine. |
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| 19:53.05 | blndidiot | KDE Neon btw |
| 19:56.48 | alicef | someone is using mutt in kde ? |
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| 20:01.25 | SJr | Kubuntu 14.04, KDE 4.8 or whatever. I am having a problem maybe over the past month or so, after a few days all dialogs and fonts, not just KDE apps just blow up in size. I have to log out and log in to fix it. |
| 20:02.07 | tosky | blndidiot: even after a reboot? Don't you see anything in the logs when you try to mount? Can you try with a live image from the same machine? |
| 20:02.59 | tosky | SJr: uh, that's an old version and digging into the problem may be difficult - I guess trying with a fresh user for few days can be complicated? |
| 20:03.12 | tosky | SJr: also, maybe updating to 16.04 could be a good step forward |
| 20:03.33 | tosky | alicef: uhm, mutt inside konsole? Not that Plasma has much to do with mutt :) |
| 20:03.52 | alicef | yes yes |
| 20:03.57 | alicef | you are using it ? |
| 20:04.38 | tosky | ehm, no, usually not (only to check the mailqueue on some remote machines once in a while, but that does not really count, it's few seconds) |
| 20:04.50 | tosky | is something broken? |
| 20:05.29 | alicef | my problem is that mutt color profile in kconsole is usually not the standard one because of konsole profiles i think |
| 20:05.39 | blndidiot | tosky: no I haven't tried to reboot yet, as I said I can't reboot right now, I have some processes running that I can't stop |
| 20:05.52 | alicef | so I'm searching someone with a nice color profile for mutt on konsole |
| 20:06.01 | blndidiot | tosky: I'm sure it will be fixed from a reboot (hopefully).. was wondering if there was a way to restart some service to maybe fix the problem |
| 20:06.44 | SJr | tosky, yeah I don't want to do anything crazy, I am hoping to buy a new laptop with in a month. |
| 20:07.04 | SJr | If the symptom is happening right now is there anything I can do. |
| 20:07.07 | tosky | alicef: uh, even changing the color profile in konsole? |
| 20:07.10 | SJr | Like Konqueror looks terrible. |
| 20:07.14 | tosky | blndidiot: NFS is a bit complicated |
| 20:07.18 | SJr | If I restart IntelliJ it will blow up as well. |
| 20:07.34 | alicef | yes like solarized dark for mutt is completely broken in konsole |
| 20:07.42 | blndidiot | tosky: well thankfully the process I was waiting on just finished so i can reboot.. if you don't see me back considere it fixed =D |
| 20:07.53 | tosky | blndidiot: ok :) |
| 20:08.01 | tosky | SJr: but you don't need a new laptop to upgrade :) |
| 20:08.03 | alicef | solarized is also broken but bit less |
| 20:08.16 | SJr | Hmmmm... |
| 20:08.41 | SJr | I wonder how much I will regret upgrading to 16.04 |
| 20:09.02 | asturm | if you instantly add the backports ppa, not much |
| 20:09.25 | asturm | tosky: unless 16.04 has plasma-5.8 by default now? |
| 20:09.26 | tosky | alicef: I'm not the right person to help with colors :) |
| 20:09.38 | tosky | asturm: I don't think the backport went so far |
| 20:09.54 | tosky | SJr: as asturm says, 16.04 + the ppa with Plasma 5.8.x |
| 20:09.57 | asturm | probably not possible with ubuntu's broken lts philosophy |
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| 20:10.16 | tosky | SJr: I mean, if it's not urgent and it happens after few days, it's probably faster to logout/login |
| 20:10.22 | SJr | Hmmmm what I can say, is that mucking with Force Fonts DPI and restarting Konqueror seems to fix it. |
| 20:10.23 | tosky | how many days, btw? |
| 20:10.30 | SJr | I'm not sure it is sporadic. |
| 20:10.43 | SJr | My guess its that it's something with switching between my laptops regular display, and two external monitors. |
| 20:10.56 | tosky | so probably trying to fixing takes an higher cost than workarounding it |
| 20:11.19 | tosky | anyway, whenever you upgrade to a newer version, make sure to have at least Plasma 5.8 |
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| 20:12.10 | blndidiot | :( I'm back |
| 20:12.49 | blndidiot | I have my NFS share mounted the same way on my Plex VM as I do on my KDE Neon desktop.. mounted under /media/nas. VM can access it, I no longer can. http://i.imgur.com/NTchRQi.png |
| 20:13.40 | tsuusifros | I just have to say that Breeze Dark is the best theme at the moment for kde |
| 20:14.35 | tosky | blndidiot: and the Plex VM runs where? |
| 20:14.40 | asturm | SJr: if you're worried about performance, plasma-5 does feel snappier than plasma-4 at the time on the same old hardware |
| 20:15.19 | tsuusifros | I can confirm |
| 20:15.37 | blndidiot | tosky: esxi box, same network. I don't want that to muddy the issue because this is something totally on my kde neon box... it has been working for months like this and suddenly stopped working some time this afternoon |
| 20:15.40 | blndidiot | nothing has change on my end |
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| 20:16.37 | SJr | No it was just normally I always kept up to date with Ubuntu on this laptop, and then when I formatted it and put on Kubuntu 14.10 with KDE 5 I had weird graphics issues. So I just reformatted it and went back to 14.04 and it has been rock solid. Also on my desktop at home I have been using Arch and no disrespect intended but only recently did KDE 5 surpass all the features and become as stable as KDE 4 on this thing has been. |
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| 20:17.15 | alicef | the blur is added by me so don't mind that https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQ_zVHQbjxOc3A0WkhZbzgyY2c/view?usp=sharing but mostly color profile for mutt in konsole are just horrible |
| 20:19.09 | SJr | Hmmmm xrandr --dpi 96 seems to fix it. |
| 20:19.50 | blndidiot | tosky: syslog shows mounting timed out.. but no specific error messages |
| 20:19.53 | tosky | blndidiot: did you dig into the logs already? |
| 20:20.33 | tosky | SJr: just remember that it's Plasma, not KDE 5 - there is no KDE5 |
| 20:20.47 | SJr | oh right |
| 20:21.28 | tosky | alicef: so basically if you run mutt inside xterm, with the same mutt theme, you see the right colors? |
| 20:21.56 | blndidiot | tosky: All it says is.. "systemd[1]: media-nas.mount: Mounting timed out. Stopping." |
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| 20:22.34 | tosky | if you manually try to mount passing the parameters, and trying to force, say nfs3 vs nfs4? |
| 20:22.56 | tosky | also, did you reboot the system, or totally shutdown it and then start it again (cold boot)? |
| 20:22.59 | blndidiot | i rebooted, not shutdown though |
| 20:23.18 | blndidiot | i can try that. I'll do that after I finish upgrading packages |
| 20:25.41 | blndidiot | be back in a few |
| 20:28.12 | alicef | tosky: vombatidae looks nice |
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| 20:31.47 | blndidiot | Grrrr.. still no luck |
| 20:32.11 | blndidiot | I'm going to remove and readd the entry from fstab |
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| 20:33.26 | blndidiot | nope |
| 20:33.30 | tosky | blndidiot: try manually without relying on mount -a :) |
| 20:35.21 | blndidiot | how? this is my fstab entry: 192.168.1.201:/mnt/thunder/media_nfs /media/nas nfs defaults,nofail,x-systemd.device-timeout=30 0 0 |
| 20:35.27 | tsuusifros | So, Plasma is a finally a step to move away from weirdly named apps where everything started with K? |
| 20:35.50 | blndidiot | tsuusifros: ya they've said they've been trying to move away from that for a few years now |
| 20:36.11 | asturm | tsuusifros: a lot of KDE Applications don't contain a K at all |
| 20:36.30 | tsuusifros | asturm: you need to understand some stuff about branding then |
| 20:36.59 | tosky | tsuusifros: you should be new here |
| 20:37.11 | tosky | Plasma started in 2005 |
| 20:40.55 | tosky | and all the change in names started long ago, so "finally" is not exactly the right adverb |
| 20:44.14 | tosky | blndidiot: sorry, missed it: mount -t nfs 192.168.1.201:/mnt/thunder/media_nfs /media/nas |
| 20:44.29 | tosky | blndidiot: or also -t nfs4 (not sure the NAS supports it) |
| 20:44.34 | tosky | blndidiot: in any case, man mount! |
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| 20:57.06 | FLHerne | tsuusifros: That started with KDE4 (e.g. Dolphin, Gwenview) |
| 20:59.11 | SJr | Oh tosky, I think I know what it is. I bet the dpi gets messed up when I plug it into one of our meeting room tvs. That's why the dpi converts to 187, not sure why it doesn't turn back, but oh well. |
| 20:59.25 | tosky | SJr: oh, that would explain it |
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| 21:25.02 | cyberkde | I have screen tearing. Any ideas for solutions? |
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| 21:30.00 | FLHerne | cyberkde: What drivers? Nvidia blob? |
| 21:30.13 | cyberkde | nvidia |
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| 21:30.57 | FLHerne | cyberkde: https://kver.wordpress.com/2017/03/29/tearing-with-nvidia-proprietary-drivers-on-plasma-try-this/ |
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| 21:36.43 | cyberkde | FLHerne: thanks, but that heats up the GPU |
| 21:37.35 | FLHerne | Odd, pretty much nothing you can do with 2D desktop rendering should stress a modern GPU |
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| 21:41.20 | FLHerne | "threelimbinimum" is a good word |
| 21:41.26 | FLHerne | Er, not this channel |
| 21:43.26 | cyberkde | FLHerne: What about the solution by 'srobart' on this link? https://forum.manjaro.org/t/screen-tearing-in-kde-with-nvidia-card/7956/10 |
| 21:46.12 | FLHerne | Forcing GLamor usage definitely won't work on the blob driver, it doesn't have it |
| 21:46.31 | FLHerne | Oh, wrong answer |
| 21:46.47 | FLHerne | No idea about the last one |
| 21:47.01 | FLHerne | (can't really hurt, try it...) |
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| 21:47.43 | cyberkde | rebooting brb |
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| 23:55.31 | inkbottle | Hi, I'm rotating the screen of a tablet, and for it to look good, I want also to change the position of the panel. |
| 23:55.45 | inkbottle | That I want to do it with a script |
| 23:56.04 | inkbottle | Not by clicking in settings |
| 23:56.47 | inkbottle | In the same line, I also want to change the wallpaper |
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