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| 02:09.19 | Egyptian | i have a very irritating problem. when using ksnapshot/rectangular region - the region is black when i am selecting the area, so i cant really see the area. AND then when i am done approximating, the snapshot shows up with the dimensions of the picture right smack in the middle of the snapshot. and i cant get rid of it. yes it shows up in the saved picture. how do i grab a clean snapshot? |
| 02:10.11 | asturm | Egyptian: ksnapshot is dead, unless you are running an old plasma 4 workspace |
| 02:10.27 | hiro98 | Try Spectacle |
| 02:10.32 | asturm | it did work within Plasma-5 though until it was replaced by spectacle |
| 02:10.39 | hiro98 | it's very nice |
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| 02:12.53 | Egyptian | dead? :( i have been upgrading my laptop since fedora 17 or there abouts .. |
| 02:13.11 | asturm | Egyptian: ksnapshot -> spectacle |
| 02:13.15 | asturm | it's that simple |
| 02:13.19 | Egyptian | looking for it |
| 02:13.26 | hiro98 | spectacle works very well with me |
| 02:16.08 | Egyptian | twiddling thumbs while dnf downloads sql files |
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| 02:20.25 | Egyptian | how do i get rid of that pesky tool tip that interrupts my screen capture? |
| 02:21.23 | hiro98 | just start taking it :) |
| 02:23.01 | Egyptian | hiro98: that worked. thanks. astrum thanks to you too |
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| 02:43.53 | dispel | How do I snap Windows to the left/right, upperleft/bottomright of my displays in KDE? |
| 02:44.08 | dispel | (like in Microsoft Windows) |
| 02:44.14 | hiro98 | i configured hotkeys for that |
| 02:44.26 | dispel | I don't want hotkeys, I want to just drag and drop it |
| 02:44.27 | dispel | How? |
| 02:44.48 | hiro98 | look under global keyboard shortcuts -> kwin |
| 02:44.58 | dispel | I don't want hotkeys |
| 02:45.05 | dispel | I'm not going to use hotkeys |
| 02:45.06 | hiro98 | well snapping works for me out of the box |
| 02:45.23 | GreeningGalaxy | dispel: is that not default behavior? Works fine for me. |
| 02:45.38 | hiro98 | well seems to be |
| 02:46.12 | GreeningGalaxy | I feel like that's been around by default since kde4. I always am thrown for a loop whenever I go over to xfce or something and it's not there. |
| 02:46.12 | hiro98 | go to settings screen edges |
| 02:46.30 | hiro98 | check tile windows ... |
| 02:46.42 | dispel | Maybe it doesn't work right with multiple displays |
| 02:46.52 | GreeningGalaxy | oh, dispel said displays, plural. I wonder if -- yeah that |
| 02:47.09 | hiro98 | http://i.imgur.com/vRxVSY2.png |
| 02:47.42 | dispel | Is this broken with multiple displays? |
| 02:47.59 | GreeningGalaxy | I've got another monitor over here somewhere, let me test it out. |
| 02:48.13 | hiro98 | would be keen to know as well |
| 02:48.39 | dispel | thanks GreeningGalaxy |
| 02:49.37 | GreeningGalaxy | Okay, on two 1024x768 monitors configured side by side, snapping works about as expected, with the one caveat that snapping to the boundary between displays, while possible, is fiddly |
| 02:49.56 | GreeningGalaxy | you kinda have to drag it a little over the edge into the other monitor and then back to get it to snap to that half, but it does work for me |
| 02:50.32 | GreeningGalaxy | are you not seeing any snapping at all? |
| 02:51.20 | dispel | since I am using 3 displays, it's mostly failing on the middle display, and working on the far left and far right |
| 02:51.31 | GreeningGalaxy | aha |
| 02:51.57 | GreeningGalaxy | try dragging the window really slowly? |
| 02:52.49 | dispel | yeah, it's fidgety |
| 02:56.37 | GreeningGalaxy | I'm hunting around for some kind of mouse edge resistance thing like I remember seeing a long time ago for window edges or something, but not finding it |
| 02:59.25 | GreeningGalaxy | there's just what I'm looking for with virtual desktops, a delay you can set for switching while dragging |
| 02:59.39 | GreeningGalaxy | it would be nice if that were a thing for physical screens, but I don't see it :/ |
| 02:59.57 | GreeningGalaxy | if it's possible to hack something like that in, I wouldn't know how. |
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| 03:23.19 | Dreeso | GreeningGalaxy: Dont know if this would be your cup of tea, but my solution for this was binding a mouse gesture (i basically just use a left/right arrow). Its pretty reliable |
| 03:23.57 | GreeningGalaxy | I hardly ever use multiple monitors and I can deal with that quirk, but tell dispel |
| 03:25.18 | Dreeso | oopsie |
| 03:25.34 | Dreeso | dispel: see above |
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| 06:13.48 | vedu | Hello. How can I disable baloo_file_indexer? It takes up too much of CPU |
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| 06:14.33 | vedu | I have `Indexing-Enabled=false` in my .config/baloofilerc but that doesn't help |
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| 06:32.12 | kishore96 | Is there a plasmoid to display the name of the current activity or something? |
| 06:32.52 | d42 | vedu: systemsettings -> search |
| 06:32.58 | d42 | also balooctl :v |
| 06:36.01 | kishore96 | Or at the very least, a way for a script to find out what activity it is in? |
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| 06:39.24 | d42 | kishore96: if you have disabled toolbox enable id, and drag it away from the corner :^) |
| 06:39.55 | d42 | s/id/it/ |
| 06:40.02 | kishore96 | Ah. totally forgot about the toolbox. Can I add the toolbox to a panel? |
| 06:40.27 | d42 | i don't think so |
| 06:41.03 | d42 | but there should be plasmoid that does what you want i guess ,_, |
| 06:43.33 | kishore96 | I've been looking, but I can't seem to find one. I guess I'll just have to make do with different wallpapers for now. |
| 06:44.03 | kishore96 | Oh wait. I have a transparent panel, and the toolbox shows through that! Yay! |
| 06:45.18 | kishore96 | I think that might be a bug, though. I can't seem to place it manually under the panel, and it moved out of the panel when I tried to move it slightly. |
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| 06:55.39 | vedu | d42: thanks :) I did try both. Lets hope it doesn't start on my computer restart |
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| 07:12.12 | lordievader | Good morning. |
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| 08:01.15 | mitch0 | in the kde audio settings only the "default" alsa device is shown. what should I do to have all devices (integrated intel hd audio, usb audio) to show up in there? |
| 08:02.37 | hiro98 | i had the same thing |
| 08:02.42 | hiro98 | let me remeber :P |
| 08:02.59 | mitch0 | hope the answer doesn't contain "pulseaudio" in it ;) |
| 08:03.08 | hiro98 | mope |
| 08:04.38 | mitch0 | I don't have alsa-tools and alsa-firmware installed, should I try those? |
| 08:05.26 | hiro98 | yeah, i think i found the solution here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture or here https://userbase.kde.org/Sound_Problems |
| 08:06.53 | mitch0 | hm. maybe the hint { show on } thing? |
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| 08:07.19 | hiro98 | yeah |
| 08:07.32 | mitch0 | but I don't have an asound.conf file... |
| 08:07.46 | mitch0 | is there an easy way to auto-generate one with some basic defaults? |
| 08:09.14 | hiro98 | well there should already be one |
| 08:09.31 | mitch0 | well, there isn't ;) |
| 08:10.07 | hiro98 | #/usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf |
| 08:10.38 | mitch0 | and you edited that one? |
| 08:12.11 | hiro98 | no |
| 08:12.26 | hiro98 | well i can't quite rember :P |
| 08:12.27 | hiro98 | sorry |
| 08:12.37 | mitch0 | can you paste your /etc/asound.conf or .asoundrc? |
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| 08:13.26 | hiro98 | i would recommend that you reinstall asla |
| 08:13.28 | hiro98 | alsa |
| 08:13.33 | hiro98 | what distro r u on |
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| 08:18.33 | mitch0 | arch |
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| 08:20.25 | akaWolf | is it ok that in https://github.com/KDE/syntax-highlighting/blob/master/data/syntax/makefile.xml is no «bmake_var_modifiers_noarg» and «bmake_var_modifiers_with_arg»? |
| 08:20.43 | akaWolf | so I get «Generic highlighter error: Name "bmake_var_modifiers_noarg" not found.» |
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| 08:35.02 | Combined2857 | is it possible for KDE plasma to impose a dark theme to non KDE applications ? Similar to what cinnamon has done? (so not I have dark firefox, thunderbird, libre office, chrome etc just by applying the theme of the desktop) |
| 08:35.27 | Combined2857 | I have found that even if I choose breeze dark or maya dark all applications are still light |
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| 08:35.39 | Combined2857 | in manjaro |
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| 08:39.02 | Combined2857 | actually even kdenlive is white in breeze dark |
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| 09:17.18 | Tuju | journald user interface truncates messages |
| 09:17.23 | Tuju | Minor becomes inor jne |
| 09:17.25 | Tuju | Minor becomes inor etc |
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| 09:18.20 | Tuju | hmmm... /usr/bin/ksystemlog is the program |
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| 10:23.54 | The_Ball | Jucato, that's what I seemed to recall, but doesn't work |
| 10:25.08 | Jucato | ah sorry then |
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| 12:33.04 | BluesKaj | Hey all |
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| 12:53.02 | libreuser | Is KDE going to remove plasma web shortcuts to nonfree software?? |
| 12:53.13 | Sho_ | no |
| 12:53.31 | libreuser | really? |
| 12:53.41 | Sho_ | yeah |
| 12:53.54 | libreuser | ok, thanks then |
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| 12:54.27 | Sho_ | they've been there for over a decade, so if they haven't been removed until now it's unlikely they will be in the future |
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| 12:54.59 | tosky | libreuser: non-free services or non-free software? |
| 12:55.54 | tosky | services |
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| 12:56.32 | tosky | and maybe a patch to prevent users to access them in the kios? eh? |
| 12:56.41 | tosky | where does this stop? |
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| 12:59.48 | shtrb | Luks H, around ? |
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| 13:02.38 | shtrb | and on a different subject , I don't know who had fixed it, but THANK YOU for fixing the annoying akonadi/solid bug that would setup akonadi in disconnected mode when connected over ppp |
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| 13:05.21 | libreuser | non-free services and non-free software (with bad JS) |
| 13:05.30 | libreuser | tosky: ^ |
| 13:05.39 | asturm | don't you dare remove my freedom to use non-free services! |
| 13:05.57 | libreuser | xD |
| 13:06.34 | tosky | libreuser: the shortcuts are just... shortcuts, they don't load anything if you don't use them |
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| 13:08.55 | libreuser | If KDE don't remove plasma web shortcuts to non-free services and software, they promote the use of non-free software. |
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| 13:10.06 | asturm | parabola or how it's called can remove them |
| 13:10.23 | libreuser | And my responsability as an freesoftware user is not to use software from people who promote non-free software. |
| 13:10.37 | libreuser | asturm: it is not enough |
| 13:10.55 | asturm | their spirits will haunt you? |
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| 13:11.32 | bshah | they are not provided by KDE plasma.. its users choice |
| 13:12.18 | libreuser | bshah: look into plasma preferences / shortcuts / web shortcuts |
| 13:12.19 | shtrb | libreuser , how do you connect to the internet - you probabably using closed and porpiretry code |
| 13:12.40 | libreuser | shtrb: ? |
| 13:12.54 | shtrb | how do you connect to the internet , modem / router etc |
| 13:12.59 | libreuser | afk |
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| 13:13.08 | shtrb | 99.99% you are using non free software |
| 13:13.34 | shtrb | 100% In case of radio equipment , 99.99999% if over PSTN |
| 13:13.54 | shtrb | (the 0.00001 is maybe there is one that is really free , never seen one , but maybe they exist) |
| 13:14.21 | yurikoles | Hi! Is there any news on packaging kdevelop on mac? |
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| 13:14.55 | sponge | I'm using manjaro kde. Does anyone else experience this problem with libreoffice: Some of the entries in menus have weird markings, here's an example: https://snag.gy/SYA2WK.jpg |
| 13:15.00 | shtrb | Hi Sponge , did you find the luks solution ? |
| 13:15.39 | sponge | shtrb, No. It keeps on asking for password after each restart. Do you have any new idea how to fix this? |
| 13:16.03 | shtrb | maybe astrum or tosky will know |
| 13:16.27 | shtrb | usually they have good ideas |
| 13:16.45 | shtrb | oops , that supposed to be over a pm :-( |
| 13:16.50 | sponge | cool, then I'll stay and ask my question again. |
| 13:16.52 | sponge | hehe |
| 13:17.05 | tosky | I have no idea about this issue |
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| 13:17.18 | shtrb | first he need to ask the question again :) |
| 13:17.20 | yurikoles | why you need to save password for luks? is there aby sance in this action? |
| 13:17.22 | tosky | my system with LUKS is unlocked at startup (full encryption) |
| 13:17.39 | yurikoles | *any |
| 13:17.57 | shtrb | he have something with dolphin (I think) , but best if he will ask again here |
| 13:18.49 | sponge | I have an encrypted partition with LUKS. Whenever I startup manjaro kde I get prompted by kde daemon dialog box asking me to enter password for that encrypted partition. Is there a way to disable this sort of auto-mount that this partition is trying to do? btw, In system-settings under removable storage, this partition isn't marked for auto-mount. |
| 13:19.09 | tosky | yes, read that, but no idea |
| 13:19.20 | sponge | oh, sorry |
| 13:19.20 | tosky | I don't know which component is involved in that |
| 13:19.30 | tosky | or better, who trigger that |
| 13:19.42 | sponge | Is there a way for me to figure out what is causing this? |
| 13:19.43 | tosky | also, do you have a screenshot of the dialog box? |
| 13:20.30 | sponge | Good idea! I'll post a screenshot |
| 13:21.18 | sponge | brb |
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| 13:25.01 | sponge | Hello again :) |
| 13:25.26 | sponge | Here is the dialog box: https://snag.gy/kFbdBY.jpg |
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| 13:27.10 | tosky | uhm |
| 13:29.04 | sponge | You've never encountered such a thing? |
| 13:29.37 | sponge | The process that is responsible for this box is: kded5 |
| 13:30.01 | tosky | yes, but there are other processes that hooks into it |
| 13:30.02 | shtrb | also he have the parttion name shown in dolphin |
| 13:30.18 | tosky | which probably comes from Solid |
| 13:30.49 | sponge | Yes, in dolphin, before I enter the password I have a device called "10.8 GiB Encrypted Drive" |
| 13:31.54 | shtrb | wait , do you have any service that will load it ? |
| 13:33.01 | shtrb | And try to disable (absolutly) automatic handling of removable storage media |
| 13:33.02 | sponge | Not that I can think of. As I said, under "removable storage" it isn't marked for auto-mount. I'm using grsync to backup to this partition, but grsync isn't loaded by default. |
| 13:33.40 | tosky | sponge: please file a bug against frameworks-solid, and let's see how it goes |
| 13:34.03 | shtrb | If possible with the screenshot , and all the story you told us |
| 13:34.14 | tosky | remove "If possible" :) |
| 13:34.20 | tosky | all the details need to go there |
| 13:34.35 | sponge | I'm kind of new to filing bugs, can you tell me where I should do it? |
| 13:35.54 | sponge | Is it in github or kde.org? |
| 13:36.02 | shtrb | bugs.kde.org |
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| 13:38.58 | sponge | Great, I'll be back home in an hour or so and then register and file this bug. |
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| 13:40.09 | sponge | Also does anyone else experience this problem with libreoffice: Some of the entries in menus have weird markings, here's an example: https://snag.gy/SYA2WK.jpg |
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| 13:41.19 | tosky | sponge: that's may be easier: what if you change the style of libreoffice? |
| 13:41.26 | tosky | inside libreoffice settings |
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| 13:42.29 | sponge | tosky, You mean to something other than the Breeze theme? |
| 13:42.51 | tosky | sponge: yes |
| 13:44.14 | sponge | Same thing happens with tango and sifr |
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| 13:44.39 | sponge | Also with galaxy and oxygen |
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| 13:45.25 | sponge | You don't experience that on a kde desktop? |
| 13:45.44 | libreuser | shtrb: you're talking about non-free software with no alteratives... |
| 13:46.10 | shtrb | libreuser , you can always use gnuradio with some foss operator .... |
| 13:46.26 | tosky | sponge: on my plasma desktop? No (but I don't use the default color schema and the default widgets, even if it should not impact the libreoffice style) |
| 13:46.37 | libreuser | shtrb: xDD |
| 13:47.26 | shtrb | sponge , I have seen similar thing with gtk apps on KDE if you shrink the text size |
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| 13:48.43 | sponge | Where could I have shrunk the text? inside libreoffice? |
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| 13:49.27 | shtrb | libreuser , I heard of a guy who had been able to use ssh over hamradio (motd or something but sounded cool) |
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| 13:49.44 | sponge | (btw, I haven't modified libreoffice, it's a fresh install with manjaro 17) |
| 13:49.46 | shtrb | for me it was , when I shrank the panels |
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| 13:50.40 | sponge | shtrb, the bottom panel of the plasma desktop? |
| 13:50.45 | shtrb | yes |
| 13:51.21 | libreuser | shtrb: I am talking about KDE, its people and their compromise with free-software. |
| 13:51.47 | asturm | you're talking about links. |
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| 13:56.10 | sponge | hmmm |
| 13:56.42 | sponge | I did shrink the bottom panel a little bit. How can I restore it to default value? |
| 13:57.18 | shtrb | asturm , ? |
| 13:57.38 | sponge | (I'll be back in an hour) |
| 13:57.47 | libreuser | If KDE don't remove plasma web shortcuts to non-free services and software (bad JS), they promote the use of non-free software. -> No compromise with free-software |
| 13:57.53 | asturm | shtrb: pardon? |
| 13:58.03 | Sho_ | libreuser: feel free to use something else |
| 13:58.06 | shtrb | asturm , never mind I thought your comment was for me |
| 13:58.22 | libreuser | Sho_: thanks. |
| 13:58.43 | asturm | libreuser: let me ask you, what gpu do you have? |
| 13:58.56 | shtrb | libreuser , you can also repackage and ship a "free" version with your distro |
| 13:59.33 | libreuser | asturm: let me ask you too, why are you trying to avoid your responsability about kde? |
| 13:59.52 | asturm | I don't. |
| 14:00.30 | shtrb | libreuser , what distro do you use ? |
| 14:00.42 | libreuser | shtrb: and again... |
| 14:00.56 | libreuser | this is #KDE channel, right? |
| 14:01.00 | libreuser | xD |
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| 14:01.28 | shtrb | you are complaining plasma have non free stuff and you object to the idea of maintaining a fork |
| 14:01.54 | libreuser | I've told you: my responsability as an freesoftware user is not to use software from people who promote non-free software. |
| 14:02.29 | shtrb | as a free software user what software do you use today ? |
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| 14:04.59 | rdieter | libreuser: that's an interesting point of view which you're free to have of course. I don't necessarily agree with your definition of promoting non-free software. I'd call it closer to "integration" rather than "promotion". on the flipside, if you're suggesting kde doesn't promote free software, again, I'd have to disagree |
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| 14:22.15 | shtrb | Is there a script or something that could create a theme from current plasma theme / icons / backgroup ? |
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| 14:23.34 | libreuser | rdieter: I am not suggesting that. |
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| 14:25.43 | libreuser | rdieter: I say that promoting the use (integrate) non-free software implies not enough compromise with free software. And my responsability as freesoftware user is not to use software from people who promote non-free software. ð¤ |
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| 14:26.21 | rdieter | libreuser: you're welcome to that opinion then (again, I respectfully disagree) |
| 14:26.39 | rdieter | good luck to you |
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| 14:29.06 | ahjolinna | stop feeding the troll...or/and just ignore those libre-software extremist |
| 14:29.24 | rdieter | (imo, there are better ways of spending energy to promote free software than this). yes, I'm done |
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| 14:54.28 | libreuser | ahjolinna: an extremist?? xDD you're the extremist when you say that I'm a troll just because I don't have your same opinion. :| |
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| 14:55.45 | libreuser | rdieter: yeak, G00gl also promotes freesoftware... ;| |
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| 17:19.13 | shtrb | what is the correct repository to clone if I wish to see the "correct" way to do a plasmoid (KF5) (git://anongit.kde.org/plasma-framework but examples include dataengine which I thought to be deprecated) |
| 17:20.12 | tosky | plasma-frameworks is for sure updated (maybe some of the dataengines are not compiled?) |
| 17:20.19 | tosky | plasma-framework* |
| 17:20.48 | shtrb | Not saying anything about compilation , just that I think dataengines should not be used |
| 17:20.50 | shtrb | I might be wrong |
| 17:21.37 | shtrb | my goal is just to have a simple plasmoid that will get it's info from a library (xml from a webdavs) |
| 17:22.00 | tosky | dataengines are definitely not deprecated |
| 17:22.17 | shtrb | ok , I should have read better thanks |
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| 17:29.17 | shtrb | thanks tosky |
| 17:30.15 | tosky | shtrb: you can use plasmaengineexplorer to test it |
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| 17:31.28 | shtrb | thanks |
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| 17:34.23 | shtrb | oh man , I'm afraid to upgrade the system at last my plasma session looks so good and eveything I need just works |
| 17:34.51 | asturm | shtrb: it will only get better |
| 17:35.15 | shtrb | stuff didn't work for over 6 months , now at last it works |
| 17:35.49 | shtrb | the network connection work (offline/online), the icons and theme are exactly as I like them , the font size is shown excelent |
| 17:36.17 | shtrb | well , webdav[s] has issues with office365 , but fu$^# I have a workaround |
| 17:36.28 | shtrb | In konqueror |
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| 17:45.05 | sponge | shtrb, What distro are you using? |
| 17:45.47 | shtrb | debian |
| 17:46.19 | shtrb | knoks on wood , spits three times and take a pinch of salt |
| 17:46.19 | sponge | what version of plasma is it using? |
| 17:46.29 | shtrb | 5.8.4 |
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| 17:51.15 | shtrb | shtrb forgot to get salty water and got "ModemManager[882]: segfault at 100000008 ip 00007fd6c8c579 6f sp 00007ffda139c580 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.5000.3[7fd6c8bf0000+112000]" |
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| 17:51.51 | sponge | shtrb, Why do you choose debian? |
| 17:51.59 | shtrb | I like , it usually works |
| 17:52.35 | shtrb | worked (and still work others) but I like debian for my personal needs |
| 17:54.29 | shtrb | *I like it , and it usually works just fine |
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| 17:55.44 | sponge | Do you use debian stable? |
| 17:55.56 | shtrb | private no , servers yes |
| 17:56.17 | shtrb | private : unstable + experimental , server stable only |
| 17:56.21 | shtrb | *servers |
| 17:58.13 | sponge | My best experience of kde was in manjaro, and that's what I'm using now. But I wonder if there's another distro which is stable but can still provide great kde experience. |
| 17:58.49 | asturm | sponge: plenty, I guess |
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| 17:59.46 | shtrb | debian unstable is very old verion (KDE), I also tried neon but got too many cuts from it |
| 18:00.00 | shtrb | bleeding edge after all :) |
| 18:00.03 | sponge | I tried kubuntu and it was lousy. almost ruined my cpu. and was very slow. |
| 18:00.14 | asturm | how can kubuntu ruin your cpu? |
| 18:00.30 | shtrb | asturm , disable the fans ? |
| 18:01.03 | sponge | for some strange reason it got too warm, to the point where the fans could cool it. |
| 18:01.17 | shtrb | well , I did made my resberi to put out smoke once ... |
| 18:01.18 | asturm | that's what fans are for |
| 18:01.22 | sponge | sometimes in startup/shutdown. sometimes while I was using it |
| 18:01.51 | shtrb | *raspberrry |
| 18:02.15 | shtrb | sponge, you know you need to clean it once in a while correct ? |
| 18:02.20 | shtrb | *the fans |
| 18:02.24 | asturm | usually you take a look at your current processes when that happens, then you know the strange reason... |
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| 18:03.22 | sponge | It was hard to find what is causing it during shutdown/startup. it would just get stuck with a blank screen |
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| 18:04.24 | shtrb | wtf , why can't you take electonics on flight |
| 18:04.31 | shtrb | shit , sorry wrong window |
| 18:04.37 | sponge | hehe |
| 18:04.58 | shtrb | sorry |
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| 18:05.51 | sponge | Where is the 'electronics on flight' debate taking place? It sounds interesting |
| 18:06.40 | shtrb | that was on a different tab in pidgin (work related) , had been told you can't take a laptop on flight |
| 18:09.18 | sponge | I think it's only to/from certain destinations |
| 18:10.30 | tosky | but it's OT here :) |
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| 18:10.53 | shtrb | it will be very soon (next akademi) :D |
| 18:11.04 | asturm | tosky: is there still hope for kdesdk-kioslaves? |
| 18:11.17 | tosky | asturm: it depends on the answer on release-team@ |
| 18:11.25 | sponge | OT? where is here? |
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| 18:11.45 | tosky | asturm: we need to copy the translations (Albert and me) so I will ask him |
| 18:11.50 | tosky | sponge: Off Topic |
| 18:11.53 | asturm | kk |
| 18:12.00 | sponge | oh, got it |
| 18:12.12 | asturm | tosky: packaging changes queued already |
| 18:12.19 | tosky | asturm: nice :) |
| 18:12.34 | tosky | they will be useful anyway; if not now, in few months |
| 18:13.23 | asturm | tosky: in other news, do you think it's still worth to have its own package (as compared to kio-extras)? |
| 18:13.56 | tosky | asturm: that's another interesting question; it could be merged into kio-extras |
| 18:14.18 | tosky | (or kio-extras split, putting together kio_man, kio_info and kio_perldoc) |
| 18:14.28 | asturm | ...or that |
| 18:14.41 | tosky | I would say: let's complete the migration to KF5 of KDE Applications for 17.08, and then let's see :) |
| 18:14.43 | shtrb | as for KIO any webdav[s] devs around ? |
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| 18:15.31 | tosky | shtrb: I don't think there was much activity recently (I guess you mean the the webdav kioslave which is in KIO iirc) |
| 18:15.58 | shtrb | yes |
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| 18:16.33 | shtrb | microsoft had changed their instalation , and konqueror doesn't know how to handle it |
| 18:16.44 | shtrb | there is a workaround , but it's annoying |
| 18:16.52 | shtrb | *or any other KIO app actually |
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| 18:20.43 | shtrb | it can't be I'm the only one who uses office365 here and have that issue |
| 18:20.50 | tosky | ehm... |
| 18:21.37 | shtrb | I'm the only one who uses webdav on KF5 and office365 ? |
| 18:21.55 | leszek | might be |
| 18:22.22 | Viper1512 | kde needs to take itself out of their little funk and add the screensavers and the ability to change the time format to 24hr i mean havnt they made us wait long enough |
| 18:22.47 | shtrb | Viper1512 , you can do it |
| 18:22.57 | Viper1512 | pray tell |
| 18:22.57 | asturm | Viper1512: you can use xscreensaver |
| 18:23.18 | shtrb | and you can change to 24 hours |
| 18:23.34 | Viper1512 | i guess but its so complex and annoying to setup i mean gust add it built in |
| 18:23.38 | Sho_ | the 24hr thing has been there for a wphile now |
| 18:23.39 | shtrb | just use the correct glibc version , use your own local , a local with 24 hours |
| 18:23.44 | Sho_ | *while |
| 18:23.48 | Sho_ | screensavers, nope |
| 18:23.51 | tosky | for the clock, you don't need to change glibc |
| 18:23.58 | tosky | Sho_: well, we have them |
| 18:23.59 | shtrb | Sho_ , it was braken for for some time too |
| 18:24.03 | Sho_ | shtrb: or just go to the clock applet settings and click a checkbox |
| 18:24.14 | shtrb | tosky , KDE can take it either from glibc or the CDDB |
| 18:24.19 | tosky | Sho_: they are called differently, but animated wallpapers on the screen locker are screensavers :) |
| 18:24.26 | tosky | shtrb: plasma, yes |
| 18:24.28 | shtrb | Sho_, that doesn't really work for all |
| 18:24.40 | tosky | shtrb: but the clock has a specific option for 24 hours |
| 18:24.51 | Viper1512 | yeah well i found that clock loophole eventually but that only works for my home screen |
| 18:25.02 | shtrb | tosky, it doesn't work always (old bug ) |
| 18:25.19 | Viper1512 | my lockscreen and login screen still only display 12hr |
| 18:25.25 | shtrb | there is an open bug for it , one version it is fixed , then they brake |
| 18:25.35 | asturm | certainly works for me |
| 18:25.37 | shtrb | Viper1512 change your location to 24 hour locale |
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| 18:26.13 | Viper1512 | will that fix both lockscreen and login screen issues? |
| 18:26.23 | shtrb | yes , it did for me |
| 18:26.33 | shtrb | the local thing is a workaround only if normally it doesn't work |
| 18:26.46 | Viper1512 | well how do i do that because iv never found that suggestion |
| 18:27.10 | shtrb | Viper1512, does your locale support 24 hour ? |
| 18:27.17 | shtrb | if not , create one |
| 18:27.19 | Viper1512 | i believe so |
| 18:27.29 | Viper1512 | but how do i tell |
| 18:27.34 | shtrb | open the file |
| 18:27.44 | Viper1512 | which is where |
| 18:27.55 | Sho_ | stop this |
| 18:28.00 | Sho_ | you don't need to edit locales |
| 18:28.07 | Viper1512 | ... |
| 18:28.11 | Sho_ | just right-click the clock, Digital Clock Settings, check 24 hours, done |
| 18:28.28 | Viper1512 | yes i did that |
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| 18:28.50 | Viper1512 | but what abt my lockscreen and login screen |
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| 18:29.48 | shtrb | s/CDDB/CLDR |
| 18:30.03 | Viper1512 | doing that did not change the time format for those 2 screens |
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| 18:30.26 | shtrb | in /usr/share/i18n/locales/YOURTHNGINGY |
| 18:30.39 | Viper1512 | k ill look thx |
| 18:31.09 | shtrb | and check it's correct under systemsettings |
| 18:31.27 | shtrb | check for t_fmt |
| 18:31.35 | Viper1512 | ls /usr/share/i18n/locales/ produces no output |
| 18:32.08 | Viper1512 | that means its empty right? |
| 18:32.12 | shtrb | my the locales path on your distro is diffenet |
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| 18:32.24 | leszek | its a distro specific thing. Please ask in your distro channel |
| 18:32.29 | Viper1512 | im using fc25 |
| 18:32.48 | Viper1512 | but ill do that thx |
| 18:33.00 | Viper1512 | one more question |
| 18:33.30 | Viper1512 | my account i can add i picture theoreticaly |
| 18:33.31 | shtrb | wait , maybe better you should be able to edit the qml file |
| 18:33.33 | Viper1512 | but i cant |
| 18:34.15 | Viper1512 | is there a config file that i can edit manually to do that |
| 18:35.19 | leszek | Viper1512: you added a picture to your profile in systemsettings ? |
| 18:36.10 | shtrb | Isn't what he need is under /usr/share/plasma/look-and-feel/org.kde.breeze.desktop/contents/components/ |
| 18:36.10 | shtrb | Clock.qml ? |
| 18:36.31 | leszek | shtrb: why editing the qml file ? |
| 18:36.36 | Viper1512 | um i did just now thats the first time that option wasnt grayed out |
| 18:36.36 | leszek | it uses the systems default |
| 18:36.47 | shtrb | easier than working with locales :) |
| 18:37.00 | leszek | sorry to say so but thats plain stupid |
| 18:37.12 | leszek | as every other update will overwrite that file |
| 18:37.15 | shtrb | yes , and "system" default are based on Qt |
| 18:37.20 | Viper1512 | would i hav to login then logout for the picture chang to take effect? |
| 18:37.41 | leszek | Viper1512: it might need a restart for sddm to pick it up |
| 18:38.02 | leszek | shtrb: system default uses whatever is the global setting set in your system |
| 18:38.21 | shtrb | I'm sorry to say , but that is not an accurate statement in all flows |
| 18:38.41 | Viper1512 | ok because my start menue still shows the icon that indicats i dont hav a picture set |
| 18:38.56 | shtrb | in some cases , while the system uses locale X which does not exist in CLDR the 24 hour clock will be seen as 12 hour |
| 18:39.55 | Viper1512 | <shtrb> Clock.qml ? : i hav multiple files in multipule paths with that name |
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| 18:40.07 | Viper1512 | which one am i looking for |
| 18:40.20 | shtrb | Viper1512, lesek says it was a bad idea |
| 18:40.38 | Viper1512 | ok than ill scratch it |
| 18:42.25 | Viper1512 | ok thats all for now ill just revisit that global time display format question later thx guys |
| 18:42.33 | shtrb | Viper1512 , if it takes you more then 10 minutes to solve try to add a new bug |
| 18:42.41 | shtrb | bugs.kde.org |
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| 18:53.01 | shtrb | I think when https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982 would be fixed , there will be no more 24/12 hour date format issues |
| 18:54.21 | grahamperrin | shtrb: I recently tested WebDAV but not yet with Office 365 |
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| 18:55.40 | shtrb | grahamperrin, the issue is only when you use it with sharepoint sites , when you didn't authnticate before in the same session |
| 18:56.49 | shtrb | the workaround is manually going to login page , and redoing the same operation as before |
| 18:57.42 | shtrb | konqueror need to parse the x-msdavext_error: 917656 , and use the link with a redirect or something |
| 19:00.48 | grahamperrin | shtrb: somewhat confused here. I'm logged in at https://www.office.com/ but I have no idea how to get the WebDAV URL of e.g. a document store. KDE Plasma 4 here, if that makes a difference. |
| 19:01.03 | shtrb | NO! |
| 19:01.07 | shtrb | wrong address |
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| 19:02.10 | shtrb | the office365 urls are like : *.office365.com |
| 19:02.15 | grahamperrin | More specifically, https://www.office.com/1/?auth=2 is the address to which I am redirected after logging in. There's 'Office 365' at the head of the page. |
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| 19:02.47 | grahamperrin | is logged in with an organisational identity @brighton.ac.uk |
| 19:02.57 | shtrb | the webdavs are (for VSA ) : |
| 19:02.58 | shtrb | shtrb.sharepoint.com/sites/VSA |
| 19:02.58 | shtrb | shtrb.sharepoint.com/sites/VSA/Shared%20Documents/ |
| 19:03.11 | grahamperrin | What's VSA? |
| 19:03.19 | shtrb | For site name VSA |
| 19:04.29 | shtrb | so if you have a site name "grahamperrin" it would be something like : |
| 19:04.29 | shtrb | brighton-ac.sharepoint.com/sites/grahamperrin/Shared%20Documents/ |
| 19:04.57 | shtrb | you can see the sites if you click on the sharepoint button |
| 19:05.23 | grahamperrin | We do have SharePoint-based sites but they're separate from the Office 365 site that's mentioned above. |
| 19:05.28 | shtrb | as for login , you can use login.microsoftonline.com or portal.office365.com |
| 19:05.58 | shtrb | after doing a login in any of these you can access all your "sites" |
| 19:06.52 | grahamperrin | logs out, logs in using login.microsoftonline.com and is again at an https://www.office.com/ ⦠URL |
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| 19:07.11 | shtrb | you can get the domain to use if go on the sharepoint tab |
| 19:07.15 | shtrb | that is very strange for me |
| 19:07.25 | shtrb | office.com and office365.com are different things |
| 19:07.30 | shtrb | *should be different things |
| 19:08.41 | grahamperrin | No SharePoint tab there. |
| 19:08.51 | shtrb | grahamperrin , if you login strickly with the office365.com url does it forward you to office.com ? (after you droped the cookies) |
| 19:08.53 | shtrb | :-/ |
| 19:09.13 | shtrb | ok , your setup is different from mine |
| 19:09.19 | grahamperrin | I can instead go to one of my organisational SharePoint-based sites and I have files at https://mysite.brighton.ac.uk/user/gjp4/MyFiles/Forms/AllItems.aspx |
| 19:10.17 | grahamperrin | I guess, I should try mysite.brighton.ac.uk in a WebDAV client |
| 19:10.24 | shtrb | konqueror |
| 19:10.35 | shtrb | just switch to webdavs:// in the url |
| 19:10.38 | shtrb | or cadaver |
| 19:12.48 | shtrb | your setup seems to "correctly" use NTLM |
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| 19:13.32 | grahamperrin | OK webdavs://gjp4@mysite.brighton.ac.uk:443/user/gjp4/MyFiles/ works in Dolphin. I had no idea that the service was WebDAV-enabled. |
| 19:14.00 | grahamperrin | Side note: davs://mysite.brighton.ac.uk/user/gjp4/MyFiles does not work in GNOME Files |
| 19:15.00 | shtrb | you can also just mount it ... |
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| 19:15.07 | shtrb | or use it with KIO nativly |
| 19:15.19 | asturm | oh, I didn't notice, but... |
| 19:15.43 | asturm | is it according to plan that plasma-5.9 does not show arrows on scrollbars anymore? |
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| 19:19.25 | grahamperrin | OT: I can't make a connection with LibreOffice on TrueOS Desktop based on FreeBSD-CURRENT, but that's probably not specific to SharePoint; I have not made *any* WebDAV connection with LibreOffice in this environment |
| 19:19.31 | grahamperrin | tries on Kubuntu |
| 19:20.30 | shtrb | you need to see if you can enable NTLM and other schemes |
| 19:20.40 | shtrb | NTLM is bad for the overall health |
| 19:20.52 | asturm | got it |
| 19:21.09 | shtrb | grahamperrin , did you check dav2s ? |
| 19:21.42 | shtrb | *davfs2 |
| 19:31.04 | grahamperrin | shtrb: thanks, davfs2 is listed at https://forums.freebsd.org/posts/224430 I'll bear it in mind for a future test. |
| 19:35.07 | shtrb | btw , depanding on the setup , but you may be able to access your onedrive with webdav |
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| 19:41.43 | grahamperrin | shtrb: after using LibreOffice to save a .pptx file that was created by PowerPoint, |
| 19:41.47 | grahamperrin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:41.56 | grahamperrin | â is that to be expected? |
| 19:43.01 | shtrb | I don't use ppt :) |
| 19:43.03 | shtrb | sorry |
| 19:43.13 | grahamperrin | np |
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| 19:43.33 | shtrb | but doc files did work for me (I never use docx) |
| 19:43.41 | shtrb | try with plain old ppts |
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| 19:46.41 | grahamperrin | breaking now for the evening :) |
| 19:46.55 | shtrb | good night |
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| 19:47.09 | hiro98[m]1 | Good morning |
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| 20:09.57 | shtrb | Viper1512 , something like https://paste.kde.org/pjqdfijs6 |
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| 20:12.36 | shtrb | Is there a locale setup for sddm ? |
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| 20:47.37 | d1rewolf | is there any way to switch desktop wallpapers across three monitors at the same time? |
| 20:47.51 | d1rewolf | as it is now, I have to right click on each every time I want to change :( |
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| 20:49.08 | Viper1512 | well i used to use 2 moniters |
| 20:49.57 | d1rewolf | Viper1512: until you realized you had to right click on each one and gave up on multi-monitors in general? :) |
| 20:50.05 | Viper1512 | i had different wallpapers for each one but off the top of my head i dont remember there being a choice to sync them |
| 20:50.39 | d1rewolf | Viper1512: even if I could do it from the command line I'd be happy |
| 20:50.50 | d1rewolf | I've never dug into where KDE stores its settings for that though |
| 20:51.59 | Viper1512 | well i dont know how to do that in commandline |
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| 20:52.25 | Viper1512 | let me look and see if i cant find anything out for you |
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| 21:00.11 | d1rewolf | Viper1512: thanks and no worries. I'll spend some more time googling ;) |
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| 21:05.25 | shtrb | Do you merge the screens into one using xrander or just let plasma do it's magic ? |
| 21:05.51 | Viper1512 | would that do what hes looking for? |
| 21:06.13 | Viper1512 | i think that would try to mirror them |
| 21:07.06 | shtrb | no , the 2x2 transformation |
| 21:07.34 | Viper1512 | direwolf: are your monitors all the same sizes and resoultions? |
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| 21:09.43 | shtrb | I'm talking abot https://afiestas.org/almost-perfect-hidpi-on-linux/ |
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| 21:10.52 | shtrb | d1rewolf , ? |
| 21:11.11 | Viper1512 | he must hav left to google it like he said |
| 21:11.47 | Viper1512 | our room didnt reload so ill fill u in here |
| 21:11.58 | shtrb | ok |
| 21:12.04 | shtrb | did it work ? |
| 21:12.12 | Viper1512 | there it is it just poped up |
| 21:12.15 | Viper1512 | no |
| 21:12.18 | shtrb | #%@ |
| 21:12.22 | shtrb | what now ? |
| 21:12.30 | shtrb | still with sddm ? |
| 21:12.42 | Viper1512 | i guess |
| 21:12.54 | Viper1512 | honestly i dont know |
| 21:12.59 | shtrb | maybe someone who know better fc could help you |
| 21:13.07 | shtrb | but /etc/locale.conf should have fixed that |
| 21:13.12 | Viper1512 | perhaps i might find something online |
| 21:13.45 | Viper1512 | well maby the one you gave me to put in there isnt the 24hr one |
| 21:14.14 | shtrb | GB is 24 hours |
| 21:14.30 | shtrb | en_GB locale is 24 hours by default |
| 21:14.35 | shtrb | or en_DK |
| 21:14.39 | shtrb | any of them should work |
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| 21:16.05 | Viper1512 | perhaps changing the LANG="en_US.UTF-8" to the GB one should do it? |
| 21:18.50 | tosky | Viper1512: only LC_TIME should be enough |
| 21:19.17 | Viper1512 | well thats what we did |
| 21:20.03 | shtrb | wait , maybe there is some LC_ALL somewhere ? |
| 21:20.15 | shtrb | and maybe I was wrong that on fedora you should use /etc/locale.conf |
| 21:20.16 | Viper1512 | sudo kwrite /etc/locale.conf: LANG="en_US.UTF-8" <newline> LC_TIME="en_GB.UTF-8" |
| 21:20.50 | Viper1512 | thats what the file now reads |
| 21:20.51 | shtrb | can you open a new konsole session and give the result of locale -a |
| 21:21.06 | shtrb | sorry , just locale |
| 21:21.22 | tosky | uhm, just to summarize, where you trying to do it for all users, not just for your user? |
| 21:21.29 | shtrb | for all users , |
| 21:21.45 | Viper1512 | LC_TIME=C |
| 21:22.01 | shtrb | that was done on your user |
| 21:22.51 | Viper1512 | im trying to make it so that when i start my computer the login screen that i see has 24hr time format cause atm it only has 12hr time format |
| 21:30.02 | Viper1512 | i found something that worked for someone else so lets see if it does it for me too |
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| 21:31.28 | Viper1512 | nope didnt work |
| 21:32.25 | shtrb | what did you try ? |
| 21:36.17 | Viper1512 | And/or set the locale in /etc/sysconfig/language from https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/510598-SDDM-locale-on-login-screen-(greeter) |
| 21:36.48 | Viper1512 | i had to make the file because it did not exist but it didnt work anyways |
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| 21:44.31 | shtrb | but you are on fedora and opensuse |
| 21:45.21 | shtrb | anyone with fedore who can help here ? |
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| 21:59.32 | Viper1512 | i figured linux would b similar enough for that to work |
| 22:00.21 | tosky | if you set up that variable (LC_TIME) inside a variable which is read on (each) session startup, it should be fine |
| 22:00.24 | tosky | like /etc/profile |
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| 22:00.38 | tosky | export LC_TIME=<whatever> should work |
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