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| 02:10.11 | adymitruk | battery life on kde neon on dell xps 13 w/ kernel 4.10 http://i.imgur.com/d812qDY.png |
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| 02:36.31 | Zren | adymitruk, 8h 60minutes? |
| 02:37.09 | Zren | I guess the 59m59s is rounded up |
| 02:38.22 | adymitruk | must be a bug |
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| 05:23.19 | starrynight | When you leave a message on a typical modern answering machine, what do you press at the end to save your message? |
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| 08:25.21 | hmmmm | hi, i'm trying to write a ServiceMenu and a command that needs to be executed requires a string such as -o%F |
| 08:25.48 | hmmmm | but it appears KDE is not able to handle a format specifier like this without a space preceeding it |
| 08:25.59 | hmmmm | what do I do? where is this even documented? |
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| 08:29.11 | hmmmm | oh actually, nvm, it does work as expected... i have a different problem |
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| 08:31.01 | hmmmm | `basename &F | sed 's/\.[^.]*$//'` |
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| 10:04.20 | Cyp_ | Something weird happened â I can't move or resize any windows. If I run "kwin_x11 --replace", I can move them, but if I change desktops using the keyboard the problem starts again. If I change desktop using the mouse, it still works. |
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| 10:51.11 | redeyedman_ | new plasma 5.9 works like a charm |
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| 10:54.04 | bshah | adymitruk: can you give output of upower -d ? |
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| 11:08.56 | BaltecoTroll | dudes? how can i forbid chrome/chromium' attempts to open kwallet? |
| 11:11.20 | buriedalive | settings kde wallet - access control? |
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| 11:20.43 | BaltecoTroll | buriedalive can't find anything usable there. i've tuned on show requests to wallet but nothing appears in |
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| 11:23.51 | redeyedman_ | BaltecoTroll, http://pastebin.com/sBDKWnVg |
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| 11:24.48 | redeyedman_ | BaltecoTroll, try to add last two lines |
| 11:25.06 | redeyedman_ | into .config/kwalletrc |
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| 11:31.04 | BaltecoTroll | redeyedman_ :-* thanks a lot |
| 11:32.35 | redeyedman_ | BaltecoTroll, is it works for you? |
| 11:34.39 | redeyedman_ | also there are several ways http://superuser.com/questions/994551/disable-kwallet-popups-from-chrome |
| 11:35.08 | BaltecoTroll | dunno yet, i think i have to restart my kde session but can't do it right now |
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| 11:39.13 | BaltecoTroll | but anyway it's good coz i know i'm definitely not the only one whos dislike these popups :) |
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| 11:57.27 | BluesKaj | Howdy folks |
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| 12:39.26 | ^Mog^ | ShalokShalom mentioned KaOS to me the other day, & i also saw KDE Neon - can anyone give a quick synopsis of what KDE-oriented distros are out there? |
| 12:40.02 | ^Mog^ | DE-orienting your distros sounds like what i would want, since i'm not flopping like a fish between them |
| 12:40.19 | ^Mog^ | between DE's |
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| 13:19.46 | urzds | Hello! |
| 13:20.00 | ShalokShalom | ^Mog^: KaOS, Neon, Chakra |
| 13:20.02 | urzds | Is there some way to choose a username on identity.kde.org? |
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| 13:20.13 | ^Mog^ | ok, are those the only 3? |
| 13:20.27 | ^Mog^ | i remember a few years ago i got Solyd-K(?) |
| 13:20.37 | ShalokShalom | urzds: #kde-www |
| 13:20.43 | urzds | ShalokShalom: Thanks! |
| 13:21.02 | ShalokShalom | ^Mog^: Do you know something about packaging? |
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| 13:22.51 | ^Mog^ | no |
| 13:23.03 | ^Mog^ | well |
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| 13:23.15 | ^Mog^ | it depends what you mean. i've never made & released a package |
| 13:23.40 | tosky | urzds: anyway, no, the choice is restricted on identity.kde.org |
| 13:23.52 | ^Mog^ | i know what packages are, that different lines of distros have different package managers |
| 13:24.20 | ShalokShalom | ok |
| 13:24.35 | ShalokShalom | so, you know that KDE software use Qt as toolkit yes? |
| 13:24.49 | ShalokShalom | and that software in open source operating systems is in general modular? |
| 13:26.18 | ^Mog^ | vaguely |
| 13:26.24 | ShalokShalom | i see |
| 13:26.29 | ^Mog^ | & sort of |
| 13:26.45 | ^Mog^ | i know you can install a package or compile from source |
| 13:26.49 | ^Mog^ | oftentimes |
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| 13:26.51 | ^Mog^ | if that's what you mean |
| 13:26.51 | ShalokShalom | so, the point is, that most distros focus on GTK software |
| 13:27.09 | ShalokShalom | so, they build all, that GTK environments run fine |
| 13:27.10 | ^Mog^ | ok |
| 13:27.17 | ShalokShalom | and add KDE on top of it |
| 13:28.38 | ShalokShalom | SolydK is based on Debian |
| 13:29.27 | ShalokShalom | Its important to understand, that there is more as just "Stable" and "rolling" |
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| 13:30.10 | HypnoGenX | What class is responsible for spawning KCrash? Reviving a Qt project, and it dies with a KCrash message. I'd never even heard of KCrash before, but adding "QT += KCrash" to my project file fixes the crash. Not making a KDE application, nor using KDE as desktop environment, so where could this KCrash dependency be coming from? |
| 13:30.36 | ShalokShalom | Each independent distro, plus some who build on top of them use a different packaging strategy |
| 13:31.22 | ^Mog^ | so what are MOST streamlined for KDE - e.g. built around Qt? |
| 13:31.26 | ShalokShalom | KaOS |
| 13:31.27 | ^Mog^ | what/which |
| 13:31.31 | ShalokShalom | in my opinion |
| 13:31.43 | ^Mog^ | & it's based on what again? |
| 13:31.47 | ShalokShalom | Independent |
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| 13:31.52 | ShalokShalom | Own packaging |
| 13:32.01 | ^Mog^ | hm |
| 13:32.06 | ShalokShalom | It use Pacman |
| 13:32.11 | ^Mog^ | how longs it been around & how long do you think it will stick around for? |
| 13:32.27 | ShalokShalom | 4 Years |
| 13:32.27 | ^Mog^ | my concern with using one is it would be given up on, or have too little support |
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| 13:32.34 | ShalokShalom | demm build before for 5 years on Chakra |
| 13:32.44 | ShalokShalom | then she decide to do something own |
| 13:32.54 | ShalokShalom | haha, to little support? |
| 13:33.01 | ShalokShalom | I am at KaOS for its support |
| 13:33.18 | asturm | ShalokShalom: it's a valid question for a young distro |
| 13:33.25 | ShalokShalom | asturm: sure |
| 13:33.51 | ShalokShalom | I was already in #ubuntu with about 2000 members and less sane help |
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| 13:34.57 | BluesKaj | ShalokShalom, not much kde help in #ubuntu |
| 13:35.11 | ShalokShalom | BluesKaj: did i wrote, that it was about KDE? |
| 13:35.18 | ShalokShalom | ^Mog^: demm work in the open source scene for more than 10 years |
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| 13:36.04 | BluesKaj | ShalokShalom, made a reasonable assumption seeing that you're in this chat |
| 13:36.17 | ^Mog^ | well it's interesting. if it would stick around, i like the idea |
| 13:36.39 | ^Mog^ | i guess, are there more kde friendly distros of the major ones? |
| 13:36.44 | ^Mog^ | for reasons above & others? |
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| 13:37.14 | tosky | what do you mean by "KDE friendly"? |
| 13:37.29 | ^Mog^ | more compatible |
| 13:37.38 | tosky | uhm |
| 13:37.51 | tosky | I think all packagers for the (at least) most known distributions follow the mailing lists |
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| 13:37.59 | tosky | the mailing list provided by KDE for packagers |
| 13:38.01 | tosky | so... |
| 13:38.08 | ShalokShalom | ^Mog^: When you see they ship another desktop next to KDE, this decrease the quality of the KDE spin, imho |
| 13:38.14 | tosky | there |
| 13:38.16 | tosky | is |
| 13:38.17 | tosky | no |
| 13:38.19 | tosky | KDE |
| 13:38.20 | tosky | as |
| 13:38.20 | asturm | ShalokShalom: erm, no. |
| 13:38.21 | tosky | desktop |
| 13:38.34 | ShalokShalom | tosky: You know what i mean |
| 13:38.47 | ShalokShalom | Since the KDE community is such a "master" when it comes to names.. |
| 13:38.48 | ^Mog^ | Neon, & the other ones are streamlined for kde - wondering if there's variation among distros re kde |
| 13:38.54 | tosky | ShalokShalom: and you know that other people don't, so given that you know, please use the right name |
| 13:38.58 | ShalokShalom | They are simply Ubuntu + KDE |
| 13:39.09 | asturm | ShalokShalom: why would Plasma care about other packaged DEs |
| 13:39.11 | ShalokShalom | tosky: this was sarcastic |
| 13:39.20 | tosky | ShalokShalom: no need for that |
| 13:39.22 | ShalokShalom | asturm: because they focus is lost |
| 13:39.28 | tosky | ShalokShalom: no |
| 13:39.32 | tosky | it really depends on the packagers |
| 13:39.33 | ShalokShalom | *the |
| 13:39.45 | ShalokShalom | yeah and they depend on dependencies |
| 13:39.47 | tosky | it's not like packagers of KDE stuff in Fedora are packaging Gnome stuff |
| 13:39.49 | tosky | to say one |
| 13:39.55 | asturm | ShalokShalom: my focus as a KDE software packager is not affected by any other team |
| 13:39.57 | tosky | the same applies for most distributions |
| 13:40.03 | ShalokShalom | they use same stuff, like linux, mesa, X11, Wayland and so on |
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| 13:40.30 | ShalokShalom | asturm: you are completly independent of these tools? |
| 13:40.44 | asturm | ShalokShalom: they're the same for Plasma, Gnome etc. |
| 13:40.46 | ShalokShalom | and do you choose, which versions get used? |
| 13:40.54 | ShalokShalom | how they get packaged? |
| 13:41.12 | asturm | ShalokShalom: people work together |
| 13:41.12 | ShalokShalom | exactly because they are the same... |
| 13:41.15 | ShalokShalom | yeah yeah |
| 13:41.31 | ShalokShalom | you cant provide each and every DE in the same quality |
| 13:41.39 | asturm | because...? |
| 13:41.53 | ShalokShalom | because one works well with version X, the other one not? |
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| 13:42.09 | ^Mog^ | well i don't mean to cause a fissure. from my practical standpoint as an end-user, it seems there isn't much difference, so not an issue for us |
| 13:42.10 | ShalokShalom | that means to juggle too many balls at once |
| 13:42.33 | ^Mog^ | they're comparable, let's say. |
| 13:42.43 | ^Mog^ | at least for my purposes |
| 13:42.44 | ShalokShalom | ^Mog^: all is comparable |
| 13:42.52 | ShalokShalom | you can compare, when you know whats it about |
| 13:43.06 | ^Mog^ | true enough, this is just what i gathered |
| 13:43.10 | ShalokShalom | can you compare person x and y, when you dont know much about them? |
| 13:43.15 | ShalokShalom | so, try ;) |
| 13:43.32 | ShalokShalom | see what shows you the practice, so what works for you |
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| 13:44.29 | asturm | ShalokShalom: that's not how it usually works. stabilisation process makes sure version X is good for every DE |
| 13:44.41 | ShalokShalom | ^Mog^: All i can say, is that i was in the search for a KDE focused distro, just like you, some years ago |
| 13:44.55 | ShalokShalom | asturm: yeah yeah |
| 13:45.02 | asturm | ShalokShalom: and in general, what's good for one DE, is good for all others |
| 13:45.10 | ShalokShalom | thats why Plasma has such a great reputation today |
| 13:45.16 | ShalokShalom | thats simply not true |
| 13:45.23 | asturm | but it is |
| 13:45.34 | ShalokShalom | who decide in Ubuntu which Qt version get used? |
| 13:45.38 | ShalokShalom | Kubuntu team? |
| 13:45.44 | ShalokShalom | etc etc |
| 13:45.55 | ShalokShalom | and now tell me this isnt important |
| 13:45.58 | ShalokShalom | .. |
| 13:46.00 | ShalokShalom | bye |
| 13:46.23 | asturm | ShalokShalom: just like you, I couldn't care less about non-rolling release dists |
| 13:47.11 | ShalokShalom | its not about that |
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| 13:47.29 | ShalokShalom | you can provide a sane "static" distro with KDE, imho |
| 13:47.38 | ShalokShalom | with a larger team |
| 13:48.02 | ShalokShalom | rolling distros will always be something for users who care about their OS |
| 13:48.18 | ShalokShalom | not everyone is like that - so what? |
| 13:48.39 | ShalokShalom | exclude them from freedom? |
| 13:48.52 | asturm | ShalokShalom: I'm not sure what you're getting at |
| 13:49.08 | ShalokShalom | what exactly? |
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| 15:34.30 | rdieter | (latest kf5-based version, 16.12.x I think) |
| 15:35.03 | MichaelP | rdieter: installed kio_audiocd |
| 15:35.16 | tosky | which version? |
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| 17:15.42 | jk_ | Hello, I am trying to install new widget (https://store.kde.org/p/1169519). After installing it, it is not displayed in widgets list. plasmashell --version is 5.9.1 |
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| 18:04.40 | tuerai | iomari: I would try launching separate X sessions for each monitor for that. Not 100% sure on how to set that up though. |
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| 18:18.49 | shtrb | tuerai , multiset ? |
| 18:19.05 | shtrb | *if that is still supported |
| 18:20.12 | shtrb | *multiseat |
| 18:28.13 | tuerai | I figured you could probably just make multiple xorg.conf files and start each x-session from command line or a framebuffer terminal, and then once you got it working, maek a script to do it. |
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| 18:49.18 | shtrb | tuerai , no need you set what was called multiseat , but I don't know if it is possible to do without extra keyboard+ mice |
| 18:50.04 | shtrb | tuerai , check https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xorg_multiseat |
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| 19:13.48 | tuerai | shtrb: nice, I love the arch wiki. That's half the reason I run arch |
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| 20:30.20 | gchristensen | tosky: thank you for pushing forward our KDE naming :) my understanding is ttuegel had tried to make this improvement before, and was stymied at some point. |
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| 20:33.20 | tosky | gchristensen: oh, I see; thanks for your ambassador role here |
| 20:34.32 | gchristensen | hey, I didn't do much of anything here :) |
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| 21:48.29 | Tazmain | Hi all, is anyone else still getting that systemsettings5 crashes ? if you just open it |
| 21:50.28 | mike-zal | no |
| 21:50.37 | mike-zal | never had those |
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| 22:45.16 | kafloopascope | does anyone know decent terminal emulator that doesn't swallow shift+cursorkeys, supports ligatures, color palettes, and transparency? preferably Qt. |
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| 22:56.22 | kafloopascope | yeah, I think the only stuff meeting those requirements are gtk+ :( |
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| 23:21.50 | ^Mog^ | it would be so cool & useful to have a shuffle/random directory sort. looking over 300 lyrics etc you want a shuffle semi-often |
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