IRC log for #kde on 20161102

00:05.15demlakanyone got any idea why the hell dolphin does not allow to write to main/root folder of kio_slaves like mtp:// and smb:// ? writing in subfolders is possible.. and running dolphin as root makes doesn't have any problems, too..  krusader (also based on kio_slaves?!?!) doesn't have any problems on this
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02:40.56tdanielsonIs 5.8 Plasma stable?
02:41.47genstormtdanielson: best Plasma so far
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07:58.28Nece228hello people, how can i find all my reported bugs including closed ones?
08:00.26Nece228in bugs.kde.org
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08:46.05j605I am wondering why proxy settings isn't part of the plasma-nm applet?
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09:01.51cb400fj605: are there proxy settings in the NetworkManager applets for other desktops? .. I would assume it has to do with the design of the NetworkManager backend
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09:03.52j605I guess no.
09:04.15j605going through settings is not a big deal when its needed though
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10:27.39BluesKajHowdy folks
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10:49.14werkstattleiteryakuake has an icon in my systray, how do I get rid of that?
10:49.26werkstattleiter(w/o closing yakuake)
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14:47.24voylo m g , overlay scrollbars, they just added them in or I'm just noticing them now?
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14:51.04voylnvm, its just animation
14:56.27MoPac|2Hello -- I'm not currently on a KDE...er...DE anymore, but I'm interested in using some applicatioins like KDE Connect, and I'm trying to wrap my head around how the dependency system works. E.g., KDE Connect on my distro requires over 250 additional packages (plasma and all). But Fedora people have said it's something much more modest for them, and I see an Arch package with only 10 dependencies
14:58.06MoPac|2I've also read somewhere that there was some kdelibs scaffold that was supposed to help apps like this run outside of the Plasma DE, but I'm pretty ignorant of that side of things. So I'm wondering if there's a good place to find out what goes into the designation of dependencies for a given package
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15:00.10pepothe splitting of kdelibs is actually responsible for the many additional packages. They should be much smaller, though.
15:00.30BluesKajMoPac|2, usually a decent package manager like muon will give which dependencies are required for a given package/application
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15:02.04peposome package managers also install "recommended" packages by default, instead of just "required". Please ask in a forum of your distribution.
15:03.01rdieter_workin the context of kde-connect, it includes a plasma applet which really does require plasma (plasmashell or plasmawindowed) to work as expected
15:03.17MoPac|2BluesKaj: So could the issue with, say, my DE Unity (or the alternative Unity PPA) be that the person packaging for that particular distro has just thrown in the K-itchen sink, rather than that the application itself needs to be able to call on all those libs?
15:03.19rdieter_workit's not a typical application
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15:04.10pepofor minimal dependencies, compile from source with optional features disabled. I think I compiled kde-connect without plasma dependencies, but not sure how useful that is.
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15:04.58MoPac|2rdieter_work: Ah. I know that there is a Gnome-compatible indicator-kdeconnect. But I can see that if the plasma applet is integrated into the main package, it would want all those deps because it obviously doens't know it's not being installed in that DE. Makes sense
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15:05.35rdieter_workon fedora, we create a separate minimal kdeconnectd subpkg for that purpose, fwiw
15:05.41rdieter_workwhich is just the daemon
15:06.01oscarandreahello, today while I git push origin master with the wrong username and now usr / bin / ksshaskpass every time I try to use push always uses the username wrong as I delete the cache of usr / bin / ksshaskpass?
15:06.56MoPac|2pepo: I suppose I'll try that (I think it's what I did before when I had it). I just sort of figured that since there was even a dedicated PPA for it that someone made in Launchpad, and it still had all those deps, that it was a deeper issue
15:06.58rdieter_workwould be nice if kdeconnect devs would offer guidance on issues like this, ... and ideally, even release the core/daemon and application/ui bits separately, imo.  that way, distros would handle this better (in a more unified/consistent manner)
15:07.01MoPac|2Thanks for the insight
15:07.39oscarandreaguys pls help
15:08.00rdieter_workas is, kdeconnect is released as one big monolithic source, so that's generally how distros provide it
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15:09.47ShalokShalomSome users could love to use dolphin as a more fully-fledged music player..
15:09.47ShalokShalomAll of you, who agree with that, can vote for this proposal with your account on KDE`s Bugtracker:
15:10.02ShalokShalomhttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364956
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15:19.01oscarandreahow to remove KDE_Wallet cache?
15:20.24rdieter_workoscarandrea: I think this has more to do with ssh/ssh-agent
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15:20.43rdieter_workoscarandrea: assuming you're using git+ssh here?
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15:21.38oscarandreawait :)
15:22.19oscarandreathis http://imgur.com/a/Y0QVS
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15:42.13tomlukeywoodI am wanting to use KDE 5 on my Trisquel 7 installation (trisquel is based on ubuntu 14.04) how would I install it?
15:45.23rdietertomlukeywood: step 1: ask your distro
15:45.34tomlukeywoodok good point will do!
15:45.40tomlukeywoodty
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18:22.10vandenoeveris there a krunner query for getting e.g. '10 am ET' in a local time?
18:24.42cb400fdon't think so... but you can have the digital clock show your favourite timezonez when you hover over it
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18:30.53cosmoshnn, did they remove the option to vote for bugs?
18:30.57vandenoevercb400f: the usecase is someone from a different timezone mailiing me a date and time to meet
18:31.36vandenoevercosmos: i do not see it either
18:33.05cosmosthey are on 5.0.3, which get released in May
18:33.08cb400fvandenoever: ok, at least I'm sure there are some websites that do that conversion very easily... there is a date and time plugin for krunner, but no idea what it does and how
18:33.10cosmosso maybe a regression
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18:35.49vandenoevercosmos: yeah, might be a regression. https://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Krunner#Be_on_time says 'time UTC' should show current time in utc
18:36.06vandenoeverah, localization, i should ask  for 'tijd' :-)
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18:36.59cb400fvandenoever: yup, I was also starting to get somewhere.. guess 'tijd est' is what you want
18:37.13cb400fbut you still have to do some manual calculation
18:39.11vandenoeveryeah, that i can do :-)
18:39.26vandenoeverso ET is a common acronym for EST?
18:39.38vandenoeverkrunner was informing me about Ethiopian time
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18:40.33vandenoeveri think i found a bug, 'tijd new york' does not work, perhads due to the space
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18:41.01cb400fnah, I think there just isn't a timezone of that name
18:41.19cb400fyou can't pick new york as a timezone in the clock anymore either
18:41.33cb400foh, you can.. I have it myself
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18:42.20cb400fyup, seems it doesn't like the spaces.. if you type 'tijd york' it works
18:42.45cb400fah, and 'tijd new_york'
18:43.02vandenoevereven 'ork' works :-)
18:43.23cb400fthe underscore for space works with other cities too, e.g. sau paolo
18:43.37cb400fsao_paulo
18:45.11cb400fpats krunner
18:45.54vandenoeverhas to pat it quite often :-)
18:48.05cosmostijd vienna does nothing here
18:48.16cosmoshow is 'tijd' memorable?
18:48.31vandenoevercosmos: that's the dutch word for time
18:48.34cb400fyou need the word "time" for your lang
18:48.37cosmosah, ko
18:48.41cosmosreal? xD
18:48.46cosmostijd
18:48.53cb400ftid in DK
18:48.57cosmossweet
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18:49.21cosmosoh cool
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18:49.37vandenoeveris looking for the plugin code, the krunner repo does not seem to have the plugins
18:49.41cosmosis there a compilation/video, which shows all these cool krunner features?
18:49.49cosmoswhich ones?
18:50.02vandenoevercosmos: the default ones
18:50.36vandenoevercosmos: it think such a video is a great idea, the script is already in the wiki: https://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Krunner
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18:57.09bfishis someone in here with both yakuake and konsole installed and would be willing to spend 2 minutes to verify an issue with me?
18:57.23bfishwould be great, cause i'm not sure if its an actual bug or an issue on my end
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18:57.52BluesKajbfish, ok explain your issue
18:58.02bfishgreat, thanks BluesKaj
18:58.18bfishif you open yakuake (usually f12), it opens in the foreground on top of everything else
18:58.27BluesKajyes
18:58.29bfishnow please open konsole and put it into fullscreen-mode (f11)
18:58.42bfishyakuake should still open on top of the konsole-window
18:58.50bfishnow open a second konsole window
18:59.01bfishand put it into the foreground, on top of the fullscreen one
18:59.13bfishand now open yakuake
18:59.55bfishon my machine yakuake starts to open in the background (altough if you don't have transparent terminals it might look like it doesn't open at all)
19:01.21bfishI can only reproduce this behavior with 2 konsole-windows. if I replace one of them with another terminal it works just fine
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19:03.23BluesKajuhm, why are you opening them anyway, one suffices for most purposes, bfish
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19:04.38bfishbecause i like coding in a fullscreen terminal with vi, running the thing with yakuake and sometimes having some documentation or something in another terminal
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19:05.27bfishi used to use termite as the fullscreen-terminal with a dark background and konsole and yakuake with a transparent one
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19:05.58bfishnow i wanted to throw termite away and using two different profiles in konsole
19:06.06bfishaaaand now i get this issue ;)
19:06.26bfishbut still not sure, if its just something on my machine
19:06.39bfishdo you get the same behavior, BluesKaj ?
19:07.38BluesKajwhynot use a window manager like i3 or open yakuake in profile/tabs or konsole in different tabs
19:09.03bfishBluesKaj: does it really matter for the question? i guess if other people get the same behavior, it should be considered to be a bug.
19:09.34bfishif nobody else can reproduce it, then it is something with my installation (arch is probably not the most stable distro out there)
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22:55.12omarramohello, anybody here who knows about keyboard shortcuts in kde?
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22:58.43teprrrhow about just ask your question, we are in irc :)
22:58.53teprrrmaybe someone answers, maybe someone doesn't. but it's worth trying
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23:02.04omarramookay sure: I have the problem that I can't bind shift with other special(?) keys together, for example alt + ctrl + shift + direction for moving a window to another desktop doesnt work
23:02.30omarramoor even worse: alt + tab works but not alt + shift + tab, so I can only cycle in one direction x(
23:07.00FLHerneomarramo: You can't set it, or it doesn't work?
23:07.21FLHerneSeems to work here with 5.8.2
23:11.27FLHerneAh, there's a test added for Alt-shift-tab specifically in 5.8.0
23:11.44FLHerneReading between the lines, that probably means it was broken at some point
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23:12.47FLHerneWhat version are you using?
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23:28.58cosmosSome users could love to use dolphin as a more fully-fledged music player..
23:28.58cosmoshttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=364956
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23:34.47pepocosmos, how should a user stop the playing if he actually did not want to play it?
23:35.31cosmoswith the play/pause button?
23:35.48cosmoswhere currently is a stop/play button?
23:35.58cosmosi mean in the sidebar, you know?
23:36.00cosmosF11
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