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| 01:44.09 | potske | what's the purpose of having the thing in the top left corner light up when there are other applications open/maximized? |
| 01:44.17 | potske | clicking it does nothing |
| 01:44.37 | potske | oh wait i just found out |
| 01:44.42 | potske | it opens expo |
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| 01:45.23 | potske | nice |
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| 02:29.05 | stochastix | kde rocks |
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| 03:24.58 | salamanderrake | what replaced ksnapshot? |
| 03:26.01 | kde__pepo | spectacle |
| 03:29.21 | stochastix | what just replaced my thinderbird? Thats right, Kmail did. |
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| 03:42.07 | salamanderrake | thankyou |
| 03:42.36 | salamanderrake | stochastix: did you import, did the filters/folder port over without issue? |
| 03:42.58 | salamanderrake | I tried, and it imported the filters before the folders and it was chaos. |
| 03:43.54 | stochastix | The account was an imap account, so it just repopulated everything for that. I did have local folders I needed to import. |
| 03:44.14 | salamanderrake | ok, gmail? |
| 03:45.04 | stochastix | I noticed that it askes for am mbox file type when looking for your folder to import, but nothing shows up. You can just delete the extetion and it will show everything in the diretory, and then picking my local folders everything imported nicely. |
| 03:45.06 | salamanderrake | oh, ok, it seems that its already imported. |
| 03:45.26 | stochastix | It was charter.net account |
| 03:45.32 | salamanderrake | ah ok. |
| 03:45.33 | stochastix | but using imap |
| 03:45.59 | stochastix | my thunderbird stopped getting my emails unless i restarted the client every time to get them. |
| 03:46.03 | stochastix | I was tired of it. |
| 03:46.13 | salamanderrake | lol |
| 03:46.17 | salamanderrake | for me its laggy |
| 03:46.27 | stochastix | Im really surprised how nice the whole kontact and all of the PIM is in KDE |
| 03:46.56 | stochastix | enjoying the rss feed app, and getting notifications for both in the tray too. |
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| 03:47.31 | stochastix | I got away from it years ago when akonadi first came on the scene and it was a mess and never worked. |
| 03:47.40 | stochastix | Seems nice right now though. |
| 03:47.50 | salamanderrake | lol |
| 03:49.05 | salamanderrake | I started the import some time ago, but I thought I deleted the whole thing because I thought it messed up. |
| 03:49.09 | stochastix | now i keep looking over at my tray to see if I have mail or a new rss feed like a crack addict |
| 03:49.10 | salamanderrake | seems to be working ok now. |
| 03:49.18 | stochastix | lol |
| 03:49.42 | stochastix | there are still some bugs i think |
| 03:50.30 | stochastix | when you import it creates a folder to put them in. After moving them where you want, I am having trouble deleting that folder that was made. It deletes but comes back again. |
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| 03:52.06 | salamanderrake | probably a default folder. |
| 03:53.33 | stochastix | It was actually a folder it makes called MBOX-myfoldername that it makes inside the folder you tell it to import to as a destination. |
| 03:54.15 | stochastix | i did my folders one at a time so now i have a few of those that keep coming back lol |
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| 03:58.53 | salamanderrake | maybe its still trying to import. |
| 03:59.08 | salamanderrake | so there are physical directories on disk that thunderbird creats? |
| 03:59.12 | salamanderrake | *creates? |
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| 04:52.57 | MaxLeiter | have KDE Neon running in a VM right now, really enjoy it |
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| 07:37.33 | greegrasser | "All I care to share, at this time and it is fast approaching, connect the dots; pentium and newer intel processors, chip-sets and on-board USB hardware are designed by joos in israhell and spy on us independent of spy-ware, anti-virus or other software. The data is compressed and sent to some damn place." |
| 07:37.58 | greegrasser | Any thoughts on this? |
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| 07:56.43 | lordievader | Good morning |
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| 08:38.52 | cosmos_ | hi there |
| 08:38.55 | cosmos_ | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Category:Software |
| 08:39.03 | cosmos_ | zero info about KDE |
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| 08:57.17 | RichiH | i upgraded to kontact 5.2.3 and now http.so is pegged at 100% on one core and balloons to using several gigs of memory within ~60 minutes |
| 08:57.37 | RichiH | is this a known issue? |
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| 09:23.11 | ShalokShalom | RichiH: known issues are on bugs.kde.org |
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| 09:27.04 | RichiH | ShalokShalom: how very helpful |
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| 09:42.22 | Tofe | Hello |
| 09:42.23 | RichiH | ShalokShalom: to expand on that: i did look of course. and, as usual, nothing is there |
| 09:42.24 | RichiH | but akonadi/kmail2 in general has loads of weird issues which, if they are in bug reports, either starve or are closed |
| 09:42.24 | Tofe | Lately, with a quite up-to-date kde (16.08.1), I seem to have a regression with konsole, and I wonder if you knew about it |
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| 09:42.24 | Tofe | to make it short, the following won't work anymore: konsole -e bash -c "echo toto" |
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| 09:42.25 | Tofe | by won't work, I mean konsole will try to interpret the "-c" option |
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| 09:52.50 | aris5 | hi room I d like to ask about frameworks. When kde started F5 i thoight their contributors would increase but 1 year ago i watched an aKademy video that only 2 projects-programs used them. Why is that i go to kde reports and see the contibutors are as many as in every kde project. Useful and basic labraries don t have many commits. For example what stops unity8,deepin OS sailfish os and all the other big companies that use QT5 to contribute |
| 09:52.51 | aris5 | back to kde frameworks? Are they too kde specific???? |
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| 10:03.07 | leszek | aris5: they can only contribute back if they really use those libraries. And to my knowledge only Razer-Qt a.k.a. LxQt is really using KF5 besides Plasma and KDE Apps |
| 10:05.59 | Annisar | o/ I need a little help with plasma js scripting. Well, I figured out how to run console, and what to talk do dbus, but I can't just run a script from qdbus, without a console (i assume that /PlasmaShell org.kde.PlasmaShell.evaluateScript is used for this) - dbus gives me an error: SyntaxError: Invalid regular expression: invalid regular expression flag which seems to be JS error. It's given even on sample |
| 10:06.05 | Annisar | scripts on wiki page, so I think I do something wrong. Any ideas, what? |
| 10:09.18 | leszek | Annisar: does the script run well in desktop console itself ? |
| 10:09.38 | Annisar | Yeah it does |
| 10:11.44 | leszek | then something might be wrong with the dbus call indeed. I never used it however so I cannot give any tips on this. I always used the desktop console only for scripting |
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| 10:14.56 | Annisar | well thing is that my script needs to be run in specific situations (iommu vm setup with monitor switching so I need my right top screen panel go to left bottom screen while launching it, and back when closing) and I'd rather prefer not to be forced to display console then |
| 10:15.39 | leszek | oh yeah that makes sense then |
| 10:20.22 | aris5 | leszek what do u think so many industries 3 OS that use QT5 stops them from contibuting or using them???? Are they too kde spesific?? |
| 10:21.49 | leszek | aris5: that I don't know. There are some that are very specific to KDE but others like ktexteditor are meant for a general usage. |
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| 10:26.23 | aris5 | Can kde send inqubator proposals to programs that use QT5. There are so many in would bring new developers and maybe new users. I hope they don t have to change all the libraries to partisipate in the incubator. or even ptoposals to understaffed projects to merge to a similar kde project. Even replace an unmantained kde program with one using QT5??? |
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| 10:46.22 | aris5 | kde store offers a great opportunity for incubator project. It has tons of application many understaffed or unmaintained o proposal to their developers to merge their efforts or to adopt a kde app would be nice. Kde might also ask kindly some popular QT5 apps to join the community slowly |
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| 10:50.00 | leszek | aris5: yeah good ideas |
| 10:50.09 | shaneod | Hi guys. I'm using arch linux on kde plasma 5.8. the meta key opens the application menu, but is there any way for me to configure it to also close it, so as to function like the windows start menu? |
| 10:51.07 | leszek | shaneod: seems to be a bug. It should work like Alt+F1 by default which opens and closes the menu |
| 10:51.27 | leszek | shaneod: if not already reported please feel free to report that bug on bugs.kde.org |
| 10:54.26 | aris5 | leszek thanx i posted the last in the discussion forum and noone replied. It only needs free time and searching no need to be a developer or know much about kde. Some people may wake up and take care of their pet project or transfer thei knowledge in their spair time. A simple mail might ring a bell. |
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| 10:55.07 | DerRaiden | Offtopic leszek: nice podcast episode the last one |
| 10:55.32 | leszek | thx :) |
| 10:55.57 | DerRaiden | np listen to every episode |
| 11:08.38 | shaneod | working on it reporting it. hopefully kded-appmenu isn't the wrong section. would you consider it severity level 'normal'? |
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| 11:14.20 | shaneod | submitted it under 'normal'. thanks :) |
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| 11:56.31 | reactormonk | Plasma is crashing right after login from sddm - IIRC kwin is crashing, but I can't find the logs. |
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| 11:58.50 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 12:15.37 | reactormonk | ... I don't even get the loading screen. |
| 12:16.28 | hateball | reactormonk: check that you are the owner of ~/.Xauthority |
| 12:16.40 | reactormonk | hateball, works if I start it manually from a console afterwards. |
| 12:16.42 | hateball | and not root, in case you have been naughty using sudo for gui apps |
| 12:17.01 | reactormonk | Yes, am owner. |
| 12:17.54 | hateball | reactormonk: did you have a look in ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 12:17.54 | reactormonk | Gives me a message "Could not start D-Bus. Can you call qdbus?" |
| 12:18.36 | reactormonk | ... there we go. .xinitrc was loaded |
| 12:18.44 | reactormonk | and I had some wierd things in there. |
| 12:18.53 | reactormonk | I expected it not to be loaded. |
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| 13:38.41 | Annisar | leszek: I've found out how to use it. |
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| 13:39.14 | Annisar | org.kde.PlasmaShell.evaluateScript takes a script string, not a path to it. |
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| 14:39.16 | leszek | Annisar: ah nice to know |
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| 14:47.24 | rindolf | Hi all! Seems like Plasma 5 again reset part of my configuration after logout + startx ; it always does that. I'm back on Xfce for now. :-( |
| 14:49.40 | Annisar | ... and here comes my next question. Does panel.screen setting work? Assigning it a value doesn't change panel's screen. |
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| 14:51.13 | leszek | rindolf: which version if I may ask? Do you have any logs or errors that might help. Can you describe a little bit more what configuration you lost |
| 14:51.58 | rindolf | leszek: I'm using plasma-workspace-5.7.95-3.mga6 on mageia v6 x86-64 |
| 14:52.21 | rindolf | leszek: the background got reset adn my desktop was switched to Folder View. |
| 14:52.58 | rindolf | leszek: also my clock applet's configuration was not preserved . |
| 14:53.04 | rindolf | digital clock. |
| 14:53.18 | leszek | so the newest beta version. I also tested 5.7.95 here and did not experience such. From which version did you upgrade ? |
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| 15:00.08 | srbaker | Heya folks. |
| 15:00.15 | srbaker | I've got a weird thing: two speaker icons in my system tray. |
| 15:00.35 | srbaker | One seems to be KMix, and the other is "Audio Volume". But any attempt at removing either one messes up my audio. |
| 15:00.54 | rindolf | leszek: I already had that one. |
| 15:02.06 | srbaker | In System Tray Settings -> Entries, KMix appears to be "Volume Control" and the other is apparently "Audio Volume". Why do I have both? Is one a leftover from KDe4? |
| 15:02.09 | leszek | srbaker: kmix is the old way of controlling audio devices in plasma 5. Can't you just exit it and remove it from the autostart (or remove it completely if you don't need it). Define what you mean with messes up ? |
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| 15:02.56 | leszek | rindolf: I don't understand. So it worked before with your config on plasma 5.8 beta 1 and then later the config got corrupt ? So not directly after upgrading from 5.6 or 5.7 ? |
| 15:02.58 | srbaker | leszek: when I quit KMix, my volume up/down buttons don't work anymore. :( |
| 15:03.13 | rindolf | leszek: yes. |
| 15:03.35 | rindolf | leszek: well, maybe some packages got upgraded. |
| 15:03.35 | leszek | srbaker: then please try setting them up for plasma volume control. |
| 15:03.50 | rindolf | leszek: this is not the first time it happend with KDE 4 and KDE 5. |
| 15:03.56 | leszek | srbaker: there should be an option in its settings or in systemsettings |
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| 15:04.02 | srbaker | leszek: aha, thanks! |
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| 15:05.14 | leszek | rindolf: its the first I heard of. I know about the 5.6 to 5.7 upgrade that kactivitymanagerd was reintroduced to handle stuff and that broke some configs. But I never heard or experienced config loss on one version without an upgrade or update. |
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| 15:06.02 | leszek | rindolf: the only way possible for it to happen is when plasma crashes before the config files were written |
| 15:06.12 | rindolf | leszek: maybe I'm unlucky. |
| 15:06.23 | leszek | rindolf: do you use different activities ? |
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| 15:06.29 | leszek | maybe a hickup there |
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| 15:07.30 | rindolf | leszek: I don't think I do. |
| 15:09.34 | rindolf | leszek: I only have one activity and it shows the correct backgoruind in the activity list. |
| 15:09.42 | leszek | rindolf: do you have any logs that might help finding the issue? Did you just logout normally or did you upgrade something beforehand ? |
| 15:09.58 | rindolf | leszek: I logged out normally. |
| 15:10.13 | rindolf | leszek: where can I find these logs? |
| 15:10.22 | leszek | usually in ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 15:21.11 | rindolf | leszek: http://www.shlomifish.org/Files/files/text/xsess-errors--kde-background-problem--2016-9-19.txt |
| 15:21.30 | leszek | rindolf: 403 forbidden |
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| 15:22.29 | rindolf | leszek: sorry, try again now - http://www.shlomifish.org/Files/files/text/xsess-errors--kde-background-problem--2016-9-19.txt |
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| 15:22.44 | leszek | ok works |
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| 15:24.51 | leszek | rindolf: I don't see any specific error leading to the problem you described. Though these kind of errors are strange: "Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0." |
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| 15:35.06 | DeviantPeer | Hi all. Using kwin with composition makes "new windows" take around 1 second to show up. (calling the krunner window for example). with composition switched off it's instantaneous. Any idea what I could do to figure out why? |
| 15:35.43 | Annisar | leszek: and well, there's no setter on screen: https://github.com/KDE/plasma-workspace/blob/18740b7d4f62247ccdfddd4e1af5fa9e8b074be4/shell/scripting/panel.h |
| 15:35.52 | genstorm | DeviantPeer: did you build Qt and Plasma with gles2? |
| 15:35.59 | DeviantPeer | genstorm: yes |
| 15:36.03 | genstorm | so that's the reason |
| 15:36.08 | Annisar | and then, documentation is wrong, that's not writable property. |
| 15:36.09 | DeviantPeer | uhhh.. ups then. |
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| 15:36.26 | DeviantPeer | genstorm: thx. Going to give it a go without gles2 then |
| 15:37.07 | leszek | Annisar: report it as bug then on bugs.kde.org |
| 15:37.35 | rindolf | leszek: ok. |
| 15:37.47 | Annisar | leszek: okay, thanks |
| 15:40.03 | Annisar | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363592 it's already here |
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| 15:49.04 | anamok | hi |
| 15:49.34 | leszek | Annisar: ok I did not know. |
| 15:50.26 | anamok | I want to use CSS styles for Konsole. I found some examples here ( https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/applications/konsole/tabbarstylsheet.html ) but where should I put it? And how to connect the CSS file to my ~/.kde/share/config/konsolerc file? |
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| 15:51.12 | Annisar | leszek: if I fix it directly in code, how can I post the patch? |
| 15:53.30 | leszek | Annisar: you can post the patch in the bug report or what is more common as devs take a look more frequently change the code in https://reviewboard.kde.org . However reviewboard only accept git patches |
| 15:53.35 | tosky | anamok: I don't know, but for sure the config path is not ~/.kde/share... for Qt5-based applications |
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| 15:54.32 | anamok | Found it! Settings -> Configure Konsole... -> TabBar, and there specify the user-defined stylesheet. |
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| 15:55.22 | anamok | thanks |
| 15:55.24 | anamok | bye |
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| 15:57.16 | Annisar | kk thanks for the info ;) |
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| 16:14.09 | kafloopascope | Hi! I'm using a script to make konsole act like yakuake. I have reasons, and the script works. But it depends on xdotool, and I'd like to replace it with something wayland-compatible. Are there kwin commands, or qdbus commands, or something that could replace xdotool here? http://hastebin.com/ecemasayow.bash |
| 16:14.34 | Sho_ | maybe kwin scripting |
| 16:14.45 | Sho_ | (i'm curious about those reasons though) |
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| 16:18.22 | kafloopascope | Sho_, the primary reason is that I need to change font size with the keyboard. Other than that, I've had a lot of trouble in some instances getting yakuake to read the correct settings files, and in principle it seems to me the features that make a terminal a drop-down terminal are window management tasks, for the window manager. |
| 16:19.47 | Sho_ | kafloopascope: k |
| 16:21.06 | kafloopascope | Sho_, do you know if this information is up to date? https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/KWin/Scripting |
| 16:21.26 | Sho_ | kafloopascope: it should be |
| 16:21.31 | kafloopascope | thanks |
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| 17:46.58 | hassoon | d'oh |
| 17:47.33 | hassoon | there are applications that do show a sys tray icon, in the system tray widget, but none of them is visible |
| 17:47.36 | hassoon | is this a new bug or what |
| 17:48.02 | hassoon | i have kde 4.14.2 |
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| 17:55.44 | kafloopascope | hassoon, are they empty spaces, or are they stuffed into the drop-down component? |
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| 17:56.03 | hassoon | kafloopascope: they don't appear at all |
| 17:56.23 | hassoon | kafloopascope: so no, no white spaces even |
| 17:56.32 | hassoon | kafloopascope: imma reboot wait |
| 17:56.38 | kafloopascope | oh, this is probably that thing where kde stopped showing old technology versions of those, but apps haven't all updated yet |
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| 18:13.01 | hassoon | kafloopascope: what? what technology is that |
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| 18:22.47 | Hinsbart | Hi, I accidentaly moved a notes widget to the taskbar, is there a way to get it back to the desktop? (plasma 5.7) |
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| 18:25.09 | kafloopascope | hassoon, xembed, but I thought they only killed it in plasma 5 |
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| 18:28.37 | Sho_ | kafloopascope: we actually added back support for it in 5.5 or so |
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| 18:29.32 | kafloopascope | Sho_, ah, cool |
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| 18:43.15 | hassoon | so what to do nw |
| 18:43.17 | hassoon | * now |
| 18:43.55 | hassoon | it's really a shame that a decent modern DE in the size of KDE fails to offer an operational system tray program |
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| 18:44.22 | striker | hassoon: can you expand on that comment? |
| 18:44.30 | hassoon | striker: what ? |
| 18:44.33 | striker | I have always found Plasma 5's system tray to be quite intuitive |
| 18:44.45 | hassoon | striker: i'm using the kde version of debian |
| 18:44.49 | hassoon | which is 4.14.2 |
| 18:44.55 | striker | oh |
| 18:44.57 | hassoon | striker: and what do you mean by expanding |
| 18:45.08 | striker | expand/explain/go into detail |
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| 18:45.14 | genstorm | I'm not aware of any issues with kde sc 4 in that area |
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| 18:45.24 | genstorm | but it's real fun Debian never upgraded to 4.14.3 it seems |
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| 18:46.09 | hassoon | d'oh i feel like imma switch to xfce for a while due to this issue |
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| 18:51.54 | kafloopascope | hassoon, one way to give more detail is to mention which apps you're using that are not showing up, and if non-app applets and stuff show up |
| 18:52.42 | hassoon | kafloopascope: vlc and skype currently |
| 18:52.52 | hassoon | kafloopascope: they used to show up perfectly before |
| 18:52.55 | hassoon | no idea what happened |
| 18:53.02 | hassoon | could be that i did an update ? Oo |
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| 19:12.41 | aris5 | hi i think kde should send invitations about incubator project in kde store.Many understaffed projects might want to migrate to an existing one or be a part of it. Some popular QT5 apps after a post in their forum might start considering incubator. This will bring experienced developers in kde. Fire a light to some dead projects and bring some users |
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| 19:13.33 | z3r0_ | Hi there. |
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| 19:14.45 | z3r0_ | I have am poking around with the plasma 5 Desktop Env. and I was wondering if there is a way to shift the windows left and right with the Super Key + Left|Right combination ? |
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| 19:31.38 | valorie | tosky: sorry, I was away all weekend |
| 19:31.52 | tosky | valorie: np, we solved :) |
| 19:32.02 | valorie | excellent |
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| 19:32.30 | valorie | there is the #kde-ops channel for discussing stuff |
| 19:32.41 | valorie | and we should have more ops here, ideally |
| 19:36.25 | tosky | oh, I didn't know |
| 19:37.08 | tosky | valorie: Ben kindly updated my account, so I'm ops here too |
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| 19:39.42 | valorie | great! |
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| 20:38.24 | aris5 | 500 people noone writes how does this work i made a proposal an hour ago and nothing am i missing something ??? newbie here sorry |
| 20:44.44 | Sho_ | aris5: thread on the kde-community mailing list would be great for this |
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| 20:47.52 | aris5 | Sho_ thanx a lot |
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| 20:54.02 | cengizIO | hello. org.kde.plasma.battery has no configurable parameters plain text battery percentage. can you help me find another widget? my plasma is 5.7.4 |
| 20:54.18 | cengizIO | I can't understand anything from that icon :< |
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| 20:59.38 | cengizIO | no suggestions? |
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| 21:08.15 | DeviantPeer | genstorm: finished recompiling qt and kwin without gles2. It worked. No more delay when opening new windows. :) |
| 21:08.39 | genstorm | great |
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