| 00:01.35 | ahjolinna | I think removing "~/.config/plasmashellrc" in enough |
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| 00:12.48 | ahjolinna | Zren: is this the plasma5.7 version? https://github.com/Zren/plasma-applets/releases/tag/volumewin7mixer-2 |
| 00:13.46 | ahjolinna | because it doenst have the icon either |
| 00:13.57 | Zren | no v11 is (I bumped it above the aur version) |
| 00:14.08 | Zren | aaaaand I didn't tag it |
| 00:14.10 | Zren | 1 sec. |
| 00:14.12 | ahjolinna | :D |
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| 00:15.49 | ahjolinna | Zren: btw. do u like my new conky theme http://i.imgur.com/6eb7eFZ.png its not 100% there yet |
| 00:18.10 | Zren | tagged |
| 00:19.08 | Zren | And nice theme you got going there (blood). |
| 00:20.23 | Zren | You can show the daily net usage in it? |
| 00:20.48 | ahjolinna | yeah |
| 00:21.13 | ahjolinna | or it should |
| 00:21.33 | ahjolinna | I havent tested it that long |
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| 00:27.38 | Zren | Most annoying thing about restarting conky is when the netspeed jumps to some rediculous amount |
| 00:27.46 | Zren | like 45mb/s |
| 00:29.37 | Zren | Forced me to use logarithmic graphs for the netspeed because of it. |
| 00:30.22 | ahjolinna | hmm I made pkgbuild for win7showdesktop, and now I cant add it to my panel |
| 00:32.42 | Zren | from the widget selector? |
| 00:32.45 | ahjolinna | yeah |
| 00:32.53 | ahjolinna | its v4 |
| 00:33.05 | Zren | double click the icon in the widget selector |
| 00:33.20 | ahjolinna | I did, and drag&drop |
| 00:33.22 | ahjolinna | nothing |
| 00:33.48 | Zren | did it install to /usr/ or ~? |
| 00:33.56 | Zren | (Not that it should matter) |
| 00:34.03 | ahjolinna | its in the sameplace where others are |
| 00:34.20 | ahjolinna | usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.win7showdesktop |
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| 00:36.15 | ahjolinna | grep X-KDE-PluginInfo-Version= /usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.win7showdesktop/metadata.desktop |
| 00:36.20 | ahjolinna | gives me v4 |
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| 00:40.41 | ahjolinna | Zren: btw. what distro do u test these on? |
| 00:41.19 | Zren | neon |
| 00:41.30 | ahjolinna | nice |
| 00:41.36 | ahjolinna | I think |
| 00:41.44 | Zren | used to use chakra for testing 5.6 |
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| 00:42.02 | ahjolinna | neon is great for testing at least |
| 00:42.06 | Zren | But I'm not ready to toss out apt yet. |
| 00:42.19 | ahjolinna | I hate apt |
| 00:44.39 | ahjolinna | I think my 2nd fav. KDE distro is openSUSE...their tumbleweed/rolling vesion is good and the LEAP version is also great if u want a solid system |
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| 00:47.27 | ahjolinna | but for mobile I like sailfishOS/mer than KDE-mobile or ubuntu touch.....I can't wait for the http://turingphone.com/ to arrive |
| 00:49.19 | Zren | Mobile = android. |
| 00:50.20 | Zren | With nova launcher, you can basically do anything to the "desktop" |
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| 00:52.40 | ahjolinna | Zren: android uses java....that makes it crap |
| 00:53.18 | Zren | You can use scala or any ___ to jvm |
| 00:53.23 | Zren | the jvm ain't crap |
| 00:53.47 | ahjolinna | btw. sailfishOS does support android apps...but oc nothing wins native qt5 apps....btw sailfshOS use Qt5, wayland, btrfs, systemd....etc |
| 00:53.48 | Zren | unless you didn;t install it with ninite. |
| 00:54.54 | ahjolinna | Zren: btw. have u tried Nokia's Z-launcher for android? |
| 00:55.24 | ahjolinna | https://www.zlauncher.com/ its in playstore |
| 00:56.14 | Zren | uhg, geastures |
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| 00:56.30 | ahjolinna | Nokia will use that launcher for their android phones/tablets, when they arrives |
| 00:58.54 | ahjolinna | Zren: Turing phone /sailfishOS 2.x demo with the older Snapdragon 801 (release version will have 820) https://youtu.be/9QdgupPx40k |
| 00:59.38 | ahjolinna | The phone also has 3GB of RAM, 16GB, 64GB, and 128GB of internal memory, 5.5-inch FullHD display and 8MP and 13MP cameras, and fingerprint sensor.....and also 3000 mAh battery |
| 01:00.20 | ahjolinna | I should mention that these phones are being manufactured in Finland in the city of Salo, it's the old Nokia facilities that was shutdown few years ago after the M$ thing. The company (HQ) also moved to Finland, apparently one of the reasons have been because of NSA and interest in ex-nokia engineers and the manufacture facilities. |
| 01:03.21 | ahjolinna | I think the phone looks really sexy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_02PgHgXb_o |
| 01:03.59 | Zren | is going to rock his moto g 2013 for the next eon if he can help it. |
| 01:04.21 | ahjolinna | Zren: good luck with that |
| 01:04.48 | ahjolinna | android is complete mess |
| 01:05.38 | ahjolinna | I dont even like to talking about the security problems it has....and memory problems |
| 01:05.50 | vvande | The square corners make for a very nice look. Rounded corners are just stupid. |
| 01:07.57 | Zren | Meh, don't keep 10 apps in the background and you're good. |
| 01:08.03 | ahjolinna | android works horribly on something like Snapdragon 801, and Sailfish OS 2x worked just beautifully on it...and it wasn't even that optimized that well to that hardware |
| 01:08.55 | ahjolinna | also battery usage is a bad joke on android...it can even compete with iOS |
| 01:12.47 | Zren | Is the difference noticeable enough for a user? |
| 01:13.23 | Zren | Because keeping the screen on or the wifi is the heaviest drain on the battery. |
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| 01:14.39 | ahjolinna | its becoming better after android 6....but damn its still bad |
| 01:15.55 | ahjolinna | "Sony stamina mode" like feature had arrived....but it still long way |
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| 01:16.55 | ahjolinna | but then again if u havent use something like sailfishOS 2.x, u cant understand why android is really bad in everything |
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| 01:24.11 | gorg86 | hi folks |
| 01:24.37 | gorg86 | is the menu offset (when you click RMB on a program in the panel) in plasma 5.7.0 a bug or a feature? |
| 01:24.47 | awilfox | kuiserver5 still using 100% CPU |
| 01:24.51 | awilfox | has been many days |
| 01:25.19 | awilfox | attaching gdb just shows the dbus thread processing an endless amount of requests; any ideas on how to debug? |
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| 01:44.15 | thiago | awilfox: use dbus-monitor to find out if there's anything sending an ungodly amount of messages |
| 01:44.27 | thiago | awilfox: you should also see dbus-daemon in top as one of the processes with most CPU usage |
| 01:44.30 | thiago | is that the case? |
| 01:44.36 | awilfox | I do not |
| 01:44.42 | awilfox | dbus-daemon is hovering around 0.3% |
| 01:44.51 | thiago | then your diagnosis is probably wrong |
| 01:45.13 | thiago | it's probably not the D-Bus thread that is causing CPU usage |
| 01:47.05 | awilfox | thiago: it is the D-Bus thread, it is continually locking and unlocking a mutex for some reason. I can't really see why. would a full bt of all threads help? |
| 01:50.20 | awilfox | https://bpaste.net/raw/ff94237172a4 |
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| 01:56.17 | thiago | awilfox: a backtrace doesn't prove it's the thread consuming the most CPU time |
| 01:56.32 | thiago | use ps m `pidof kuiserver5` |
| 01:57.28 | thiago | ps -Otid m `pidof kuiserver5` |
| 01:57.47 | thiago | gdb should be able to give you the thread that matches the TID with the most CPU time |
| 01:58.08 | awilfox | https://bpaste.net/raw/6d3a721d5c82 |
| 01:58.56 | thiago | indeed it is the QDBusConnectionManager thread |
| 01:59.19 | thiago | why is it in g_mutex? |
| 01:59.42 | thiago | ah, inside GMainLoop |
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| 02:00.54 | thiago | please run this for me: strace -p 3792. Then Ctrl+C after a few seconds |
| 02:01.20 | thiago | do you see a lot of calls to sendmsg and recvmsg? And the messages starting with 'l' ? |
| 02:01.21 | awilfox | 3793 is the tid that is spinning, do you mean that one? :) |
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| 02:03.11 | awilfox | thiago: 3792 is only waking up when I type a key or move the mouse. Otherwise it has no syscalls (it is the Xcb thread) |
| 02:03.18 | awilfox | thiago: 3793 is spamming many thousands of poll per seocnd |
| 02:03.20 | awilfox | second* |
| 02:03.27 | awilfox | poll([{fd=6, events=POLLIN}, {fd=15, events=POLLIN|POLLOUT}], 2, -1) = 1 ([{fd=15, revents=POLLOUT}]) |
| 02:04.49 | thiago | no wait, weird |
| 02:05.08 | thiago | I can't explain this |
| 02:05.31 | thiago | it should not have a no-timeout polling and it should not be polling for output either |
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| 02:06.18 | awilfox | thiago, this all started happening when a spectacle instance locked up for some reason. I killed it (normal kill, not -9 or anything), and then kuiserver spiked to 100% CPU load. |
| 02:06.38 | awilfox | and has been this way for apparently four days, as I left this computer alone for that time (work) |
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| 02:18.00 | awilfox | thiago, if you can't explain it then perhaps I should test memory on this box.. it has so many issues with plasma.. maybe hardware? |
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| 03:46.02 | BoomerBile | any way to get my kate sessions back? |
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| 05:41.54 | BoomerBile | what would make everything in plasma/kde invisible? |
| 05:42.34 | BoomerBile | I can tell there is a taskbar, but it's totally invisible... when I hover over items on the bar i can tell there should be tooltips popping up, but they are also invisible |
| 05:42.48 | BoomerBile | I can click the K-menu but it's also invisible |
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| 06:34.35 | vvande | BoomerBile: I think that's common behaviour. Just kill plasmadesktop and restart it - I do that many times a day. |
| 06:34.49 | BoomerBile | hmm i'll try it |
| 06:34.59 | BoomerBile | i have a live feed of my desktop if you want to take a look |
| 06:35.10 | vvande | k |
| 06:35.35 | BoomerBile | hmm |
| 06:35.51 | BoomerBile | killall -9 plasma-desktop plasma-desktop: no process found |
| 06:35.57 | BoomerBile | killall -9 plasmadesktop |
| 06:35.58 | BoomerBile | plasmadesktop: no process found |
| 06:36.36 | BoomerBile | ahh, plasmashell |
| 06:36.38 | vvande | I use the Ctrl-Esc mathod |
| 06:36.44 | vvande | method |
| 06:36.57 | vvande | right click on the cashew line |
| 06:37.18 | vvande | after it's dead hit Alt-F2 and type plasma-desktop |
| 06:37.34 | BoomerBile | hmm, same deal |
| 06:37.35 | BoomerBile | here |
| 06:37.49 | vvande | hmm |
| 06:38.02 | BoomerBile | rtmp://mystrix.3d-game.com:1935/ |
| 06:38.07 | BoomerBile | open with smplayer or vlc |
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| 06:38.29 | vvande | that's not a link I can go to |
| 06:38.46 | BoomerBile | it's not? |
| 06:38.59 | vvande | rtmp is not an internet protocoll |
| 06:39.01 | BoomerBile | it's an rtmp stream |
| 06:39.22 | vvande | ok, I guess I'm ignorant! |
| 06:39.26 | BoomerBile | you open it with vlc or smplayer, your browser can do it if you have the rtmp settings |
| 06:39.28 | vvande | (what else is new) |
| 06:39.37 | vvande | ok , I'll try that :) |
| 06:39.47 | BoomerBile | vlc or smplayer -> open url |
| 06:39.57 | vvande | k |
| 06:40.28 | BoomerBile | ah i know why it didn't just pop up |
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| 06:40.43 | BoomerBile | rtmp://mystrix.3d-game.com:1935/live/stream.flv |
| 06:40.51 | BoomerBile | i didn't give the proper url lol |
| 06:40.54 | vvande | VLC is unable to open the MRL 'rtmp://mystrix.3d-game.com:1935/ |
| 06:40.59 | BoomerBile | try that one |
| 06:41.01 | vvande | I'll try again with the new one. |
| 06:42.39 | BoomerBile | you should see my screen, it will lag a bit and you can watch me type |
| 06:43.10 | vvande | I'm not getting anything - using VLC |
| 06:43.14 | BoomerBile | when you get it up and working ( i know it works i have another viewer watching ) i'll hover over some things where the taskbar should be |
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| 06:44.05 | vvande | no idea what to do, VLC is not doing anything |
| 06:44.08 | BoomerBile | is it buffering? |
| 06:44.31 | BoomerBile | it's buffering on my end, someone else was just watching me |
| 06:45.09 | vvande | nothing |
| 06:45.19 | vvande | I see the socket open, that's all |
| 06:45.26 | vvande | (sockstat) |
| 06:45.57 | BoomerBile | hmm |
| 06:46.01 | BoomerBile | i'm getting nothing too sec |
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| 06:49.57 | vvande | I can't even ping your IP. Looks like you're not on. |
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| 07:00.13 | BoomerBile | vvande, yeah i turn that off |
| 07:00.18 | BoomerBile | no one can ping me |
| 07:00.29 | vvande | ok |
| 07:00.35 | BoomerBile | i assure you this was working less than 10 minutes ago, but now i can't even get it working on my end |
| 07:00.42 | vvande | lol |
| 07:00.48 | vvande | no problem :) |
| 07:01.17 | vvande | so did you get your blank windows working? |
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| 07:17.01 | forgottenone | hi ,for a while i need to press shutdown,restart e.g. buttons exactly twice for shutdown, how can i fix this? |
| 07:19.30 | BoomerBile | vvande, no |
| 07:20.01 | BoomerBile | vvande, try going to http://mystrix.3d-game.com/ see if you see my website, there's a link on there for Live Broadcast by the server status and information |
| 07:20.26 | BoomerBile | i just had a player watching my screen in windows vlc so i don't understand what's wrong |
| 07:20.56 | BoomerBile | frame= 3374 fps= 30 q=4.0 size= 18971kB time=00:01:52.63 bitrate=1379.8kbits/s dup=0 drop=4 <-- ffmpeg isn't reporting any issues it should be streaming |
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| 07:25.53 | BoomerBile | well got smplayer to say buffering now |
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| 07:27.31 | BoomerBile | vvande, try vlc now, it's working here |
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| 07:37.53 | vvande | BoomerBile: just saw you were still here. Just a sec ... |
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| 07:40.42 | BoomerBile | kk, sorry lost hexchat there for a sec |
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| 07:42.12 | vvande | your website looks very nice |
| 07:42.18 | BoomerBile | thanks |
| 07:42.23 | vvande | VLC however, is doing nothing |
| 07:42.24 | BoomerBile | took a long time to write by hand |
| 07:42.28 | BoomerBile | hmm |
| 07:42.34 | BoomerBile | it may take a second to connect |
| 07:42.42 | BoomerBile | it's working here |
| 07:42.51 | vvande | sockstat shows a connection, but VLC does nothing |
| 07:43.16 | vvande | perhaps my version doesn't have the right plugin or something. It's not complaining though. |
| 07:43.26 | BoomerBile | it's just h264 and aac |
| 07:43.35 | BoomerBile | shouldn't need any special stuff |
| 07:43.42 | BoomerBile | i disabled the audio |
| 07:43.51 | BoomerBile | so it should be just h264 |
| 07:44.08 | BoomerBile | may take a bit to buffer but not incredibly long... i'm on a cable connection |
| 07:44.32 | vvande | my connection is not fast, but don't usually have a problem. |
| 07:45.05 | BoomerBile | i started vlc with vlc rtmp://97.86.231.106:1935/live/stream.flv |
| 07:45.50 | vvande | I'll give up on the KDE start and try that then. |
| 07:46.21 | BoomerBile | i'd screenshot what it's doing but i can't |
| 07:46.26 | BoomerBile | and it's not easy to describe |
| 07:46.37 | BoomerBile | i get anomolies where i should get menus and window previews |
| 07:46.43 | BoomerBile | but my windows are working fine |
| 07:46.58 | BoomerBile | i get the x and diamond and down carrot to minimize and all |
| 07:47.07 | BoomerBile | just can't see any taskbars or widgets |
| 07:47.11 | vvande | from command, it looks like it might do something |
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| 07:48.21 | vvande | terminal opening was a good idea because it showed me this: |
| 07:48.24 | vvande | Failed to open VDPAU backend Shared object "libvdpau_r600.so" not found, required by "vlc" |
| 07:48.38 | BoomerBile | i can change the pixel format |
| 07:48.53 | vvande | not sure if I need to comile that in, or add it separately. |
| 07:48.57 | vvande | compile |
| 07:49.02 | BoomerBile | probably compile it in |
| 07:49.19 | vvande | hmm, I'm not going to do that now though. |
| 07:49.28 | BoomerBile | Installed versions: 2.2.1-r1{tbz2}(11:44:46 PM 07/08/2016)(X a52 aalib alsa atmo avcodec avformat bidi bluray cdda cddb dbus directfb dts dvb dvbpsi dvd encode faad fdk ffmpeg flac fluidsynth fontconfig gcrypt gme gnutls httpd ieee1394 jpeg kate kde libass libcaca libnotify libtiger live lua matroska modplug mp3 mpeg mtp musepack ncurses ogg opengl optimisememory opus png projectm pulseaudio qt5 rtsp |
| 07:49.28 | BoomerBile | samba schroedinger sdl sdl-image sftp shout sid skins speex svg swscale taglib theora tremor truetype twolame udev upnp v4l vaapi vcdx vdpau vlm vnc vorbis vpx wma-fixed x264 x265 xcb xml xv zeroconf -altivec -audioqueue -chromaprint - |
| 07:49.57 | BoomerBile | looks like vdpau is what you're missing |
| 07:50.16 | vvande | i'll see if there's a package |
| 07:50.36 | BoomerBile | are you using gentoo? |
| 07:51.39 | vvande | FreeBSD |
| 07:51.48 | BoomerBile | nice |
| 07:51.49 | vvande | not a fan of Linux actually |
| 07:51.52 | BoomerBile | you compile your own stuff? |
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| 07:52.31 | BoomerBile | I tried FreeBSD long ago, still have an old copy of FreeBSD 4 lol... but even then it didn't have drivers for my hardware |
| 07:52.38 | vvande | I used to compile, but there's not much point unless there's a certain feature that I need. Usually not the case. So I use packages which have gotten relly good this year. |
| 07:52.59 | vvande | I'm usine FreeBSD 10.1 good to end of year - then I'll go to 11 |
| 07:53.15 | vvande | desktop stuff is easier on Linux though |
| 07:53.20 | BoomerBile | I use gentoo, so i compile everything myself, it's good forever |
| 07:53.21 | vvande | I just like the stability |
| 07:53.33 | vvande | do you use systemd? |
| 07:53.35 | BoomerBile | i always have issues with kde |
| 07:53.46 | BoomerBile | i just started trying systemd to see why i was refusing to use it |
| 07:53.48 | vvande | KDE has issues |
| 07:53.50 | vvande | lots of them |
| 07:53.55 | BoomerBile | i use lxde |
| 07:53.56 | vvande | still the best around though |
| 07:54.10 | BoomerBile | i only need to get kde working to change the theme settings |
| 07:54.18 | vvande | I don't mind fluxbox. |
| 07:54.20 | BoomerBile | i only really use kate and kwrite |
| 07:54.25 | BoomerBile | yeah i like flux |
| 07:54.30 | BoomerBile | and e16 |
| 07:54.45 | BoomerBile | used fluxbox for many years |
| 07:54.49 | mike-zal | the biggest kde issue so far is the intel bug that they can't solve out since a year |
| 07:54.58 | BoomerBile | intel bug? |
| 07:54.59 | mike-zal | but aside that, kde is very stable |
| 07:55.05 | vvande | I don't us anything in KDE except Konole and dolphin. |
| 07:55.17 | BoomerBile | i use konqueror, kate, and kwrite, that's about it |
| 07:55.23 | vvande | mike-zal: how do you deal with the Konsole lockups? |
| 07:55.32 | mike-zal | yeap. intel upgraded drivers and since then kde/plasma has some random crashes |
| 07:55.33 | BoomerBile | i just need to make the theme black so my eyes stop bugging out |
| 07:55.52 | mike-zal | I don't have konsole lockups |
| 07:56.07 | vvande | do you use a lot of Konsole windows? |
| 07:56.17 | vvande | I do - on multiple desktops |
| 07:56.18 | BoomerBile | mike-zal, any reason i wouldn't be able to see any kde ish stuff like the panel? (taskbar) and kde menu ? |
| 07:56.36 | BoomerBile | i get graphic looking glitches when i click where the k-menu "should" be |
| 07:56.43 | BoomerBile | it's invisible |
| 07:56.45 | mike-zal | aside some very rare kwin composing crashes (once in few days) it's all working perferctly |
| 07:57.11 | BoomerBile | i can hover over where the taskbar should be, and i get glitched window previews |
| 07:57.15 | BoomerBile | then they turn invisible |
| 07:57.22 | mike-zal | to be honest, no, I just use knsole sparesly |
| 07:57.31 | vvande | I persist in KDE because of the configurability, but it hasn't worked well since 3.0 |
| 07:57.38 | BoomerBile | i agree |
| 07:57.41 | BoomerBile | i miss 2.5 |
| 07:57.46 | BoomerBile | it was sweet |
| 07:58.01 | BoomerBile | i wasn't using systemd till about a week ago |
| 07:58.07 | BoomerBile | maybe this is some systemd problem |
| 07:58.08 | mike-zal | BoomerBile: I use plasma 5.6 so it's quite different from kde 4 |
| 07:58.10 | vvande | mike-zal: Konsole is probably fine for casual use, but it is my main app and I use a lot of windows with it. |
| 07:58.16 | BoomerBile | maybe i haven't started some service i need |
| 07:58.24 | BoomerBile | mike-zal, this is plasma 5 |
| 07:58.27 | mike-zal | terminator is good |
| 07:58.54 | BoomerBile | kde4 is gone from my system, all kframeworks and plasma |
| 07:58.58 | mike-zal | ah, ok. I though you are the one with free bsd, I mixed up persons |
| 07:59.07 | vvande | that's me |
| 07:59.09 | mike-zal | BoomerBile: what's your gpu? |
| 07:59.23 | BoomerBile | nvidia geforce gtx 750 ti |
| 07:59.27 | BoomerBile | prop drivers |
| 07:59.37 | mike-zal | hybrid or not? |
| 07:59.40 | BoomerBile | no |
| 07:59.48 | mike-zal | so no intel procesor? |
| 08:00.01 | BoomerBile | ah yes i have intel i7 |
| 08:00.31 | BoomerBile | Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz |
| 08:00.33 | mike-zal | most combos intel cpu + nvidia gpu are hybrid |
| 08:00.41 | mike-zal | and people often don't know it |
| 08:00.45 | BoomerBile | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti] (rev a2) |
| 08:01.14 | mike-zal | ok, here is how I see it. |
| 08:01.30 | BoomerBile | eek |
| 08:01.58 | mike-zal | you may have normal nvidia set up and that's fine. but maybe your intel has built in gpu - you need to check it out. if it has, you need to use bumblebee drivers |
| 08:02.06 | BoomerBile | i have them |
| 08:02.12 | mike-zal | maybe the wrong driver is causing the issues |
| 08:02.21 | BoomerBile | well kde is acting funny |
| 08:02.30 | BoomerBile | it's ignoring my xorg.conf |
| 08:02.40 | BoomerBile | i should have one screen stretched across 2 monitors |
| 08:02.47 | BoomerBile | but instead i have a cloned screen |
| 08:02.52 | mike-zal | that's not kde, that's your hardware setup. kde is working stable and predicatble on other computers. |
| 08:03.00 | BoomerBile | it can't be |
| 08:03.33 | BoomerBile | fluxbox, i3, ratpoison, lxde, e16, e17, openbox, all of my other window managers work fine |
| 08:03.35 | mike-zal | ah, multimonitor set is still a bit bugged from what I heard. they didn't work on it yet |
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| 08:04.27 | BoomerBile | the only reason i'm able to work in kde right now is that guake started up ok |
| 08:04.35 | BoomerBile | otherwise i'd have no way to launch anything |
| 08:04.35 | mike-zal | like I said, kde has issues with certain hardware. and yes, that's partially kde fault, but kde is not always acting like that. I know lot of people who are using it and has no issues, just like me. |
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| 08:05.39 | mike-zal | anyway, check out this hybrid thing, so maybe you will be better with bomblebee driver. not all intel cpu have integrated cards but most of them |
| 08:05.41 | BoomerBile | i haven't been able to use it issue free since kde 4 |
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| 08:05.53 | BoomerBile | mine has an integrated card, but i'm not using it |
| 08:05.56 | BoomerBile | it's disabled |
| 08:06.02 | mike-zal | in bios? |
| 08:06.04 | BoomerBile | yes |
| 08:06.08 | mike-zal | ah, then ok |
| 08:06.34 | vvande | I'm using two monitors without any glitch at all. |
| 08:06.41 | mike-zal | I find hybrid gpu fine for laptops. less energy consumptopn and less issues in daily basis |
| 08:06.43 | BoomerBile | all i7's have an integrated card, so do i5, and -most- i3 |
| 08:07.33 | BoomerBile | windows has issues with the i3 cards |
| 08:07.40 | BoomerBile | won't install the correct drivers |
| 08:07.48 | vvande | I do get the blank windows though and starting plasma-desktop fixes it for a while. |
| 08:07.55 | mike-zal | but you have issues regarding drivers so you may check out how it would work on intel. so you would have to turn on intel and install bumblebee. the downside is: in games you have to turn nvidia manually. for all other purposes intel gpu is enough |
| 08:07.59 | BoomerBile | plasma-desktop is the old plasma 4 |
| 08:08.06 | BoomerBile | i have plasmashell |
| 08:08.13 | BoomerBile | plasma 5 |
| 08:08.34 | BoomerBile | yeah i can't do that |
| 08:08.41 | BoomerBile | i'm a game writer using ue4 |
| 08:08.42 | mike-zal | I even run old games on intel and only occasionally I need nvidia. |
| 08:08.44 | BoomerBile | i need nvidia |
| 08:08.57 | BoomerBile | ue4 = Unreal Engine 4 |
| 08:09.27 | mike-zal | usually, intell tends to be less problematic then nvidia, although on kde it can have additional crashes issues because of the bug I mentioned earlier |
| 08:09.41 | BoomerBile | yeah, intel won't run ue4 |
| 08:10.13 | mike-zal | like I said, in hybrid setup you can run nvidia any time. just use: primusrun nameoftheprogram |
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| 08:10.35 | mike-zal | so if the game is on steam: primusrun steam |
| 08:10.49 | mike-zal | and then it uses nvidia |
| 08:11.01 | mike-zal | but intel for everything else |
| 08:11.25 | BoomerBile | heh, i guess i'll have to pay the $70 for sublime |
| 08:11.27 | mike-zal | there is a way to set up a list of programs that will be run with nvidia automatically. |
| 08:11.36 | BoomerBile | i don't need kde to run |
| 08:11.43 | BoomerBile | i just need to change the theme from white to black |
| 08:11.46 | BoomerBile | i use lxde |
| 08:12.05 | BoomerBile | what's the new ksystemsettings? |
| 08:12.14 | mike-zal | do you use steam? I find it working a but better on gnome, but maybe that's just in my laptop. |
| 08:12.22 | BoomerBile | i do |
| 08:12.26 | BoomerBile | when i play games |
| 08:12.29 | BoomerBile | but i'm writing them |
| 08:12.51 | BoomerBile | it works fine in lxde, e16, any window manager i use |
| 08:12.59 | BoomerBile | even in a vmware player |
| 08:13.11 | BoomerBile | heck i've got steam running in wine in lxde |
| 08:13.20 | BoomerBile | play skyrim and several other games |
| 08:13.44 | BoomerBile | what's the new command for the kde system settings? |
| 08:14.26 | BoomerBile | ah finally found it |
| 08:14.29 | BoomerBile | systemsettings5 |
| 08:14.32 | BoomerBile | doh |
| 08:14.34 | BoomerBile | easy enough |
| 08:16.02 | mike-zal | BoomerBile: you can try out noveau drivers. it may be less efficient in games but may cause less issues. |
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| 08:16.28 | BoomerBile | noveau won't run any accelerated games far as i know |
| 08:16.48 | mike-zal | really? hmm.. that's a bummer :( |
| 08:17.18 | mike-zal | I also use mostly steam through playonlinux, because games I want are not available for linux steam |
| 08:18.08 | mike-zal | so all in all, everything runs on linux, just few workarounds ;p |
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| 08:19.11 | mike-zal | bought skyrim in last summer sale. not sure when I will try it out, maybe in year... lack of time :( |
| 08:20.19 | mike-zal | BoomerBile: you mentioned you use lxde. I found lxqt with kwin a very nice combo. |
| 08:20.38 | BoomerBile | i always get rid of kwin lol |
| 08:20.44 | mike-zal | however it may have all the issues of plasma so for your case that's not the best thing |
| 08:20.49 | BoomerBile | i used to use kde 2.5 and 3 with e16 |
| 08:20.51 | mike-zal | I love kwin |
| 08:21.13 | BoomerBile | i tried with 4, but plasma didn't like e16 |
| 08:21.23 | mike-zal | what's e16? |
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| 08:22.23 | BoomerBile | enlightenment |
| 08:22.26 | BoomerBile | DR-16 |
| 08:22.38 | BoomerBile | been around since the beginning |
| 08:22.43 | BoomerBile | used to be the default wm for gnome |
| 08:22.46 | BoomerBile | long ago |
| 08:22.51 | BoomerBile | like 1994/5 |
| 08:23.46 | mike-zal | uh, too old history for me. been using linux a bit over a year so... I'm still newbie. |
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| 08:25.56 | BoomerBile | crap |
| 08:25.59 | mike-zal | vvande: why don't you like linux? I'm curious because I can't get around the concept why someone would choose free bsd (lack of software, slower, outdated), unless it's for pure ideological reasons (licence) |
| 08:26.00 | BoomerBile | this is weird |
| 08:26.05 | BoomerBile | my screen is going nuts |
| 08:26.38 | mike-zal | like I said, you can play around and check hybrid setting. maybe it will work better for you. |
| 08:27.10 | vvande | mike-zal: actually I do run Linux on servers, but I just got tired of the constant change. I like stable. |
| 08:27.27 | vvande | and I have two boxes here with Debian for other stuff. |
| 08:28.09 | vvande | and yes, ideological reasons rule in my world, but Linux is OK in that regard |
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| 08:28.17 | vvande | I'm just quirky. :) |
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| 08:28.36 | BoomerBile | wow |
| 08:28.40 | BoomerBile | that was bad |
| 08:28.44 | mike-zal | I thought I like stable, but then on linux mint I didn't feel comfortable - changes were coming too slow, bugs were constant for too long (because of slow updates), no way to run newer DEs like plasma |
| 08:28.50 | BoomerBile | i found the kde screen settings |
| 08:29.12 | BoomerBile | I dragged the second monitor over from behind the first |
| 08:29.16 | BoomerBile | it went crazy |
| 08:29.22 | BoomerBile | couldn't see anything |
| 08:29.29 | BoomerBile | everything was jumping all over the place |
| 08:29.29 | vvande | mike-zal: I like stable so much that one of my daily drivers is DOS-6.22. Take that! |
| 08:29.49 | BoomerBile | ahh the good old DOS-6.22 days |
| 08:30.03 | mike-zal | so I moved to manjaro and I'm thrilled. that's it. I can never go back to "stalble" distro, because I like change, newer things. besides cutting edge is no less stable, at least it works for home computer |
| 08:30.04 | BoomerBile | i like stable so much i have a commodore 128/64 sitting in front of me |
| 08:30.18 | mike-zal | ouch, dos is hardcore ;P |
| 08:30.19 | BoomerBile | when today's PCs piss me off i turn it on |
| 08:30.51 | BoomerBile | got a 1541 and 1571 floppy drive here too |
| 08:31.00 | BoomerBile | and a ton of cartridges |
| 08:31.04 | vvande | wow on the floppy |
| 08:31.16 | mike-zal | but outdated stuff is full of holes. unless it's so old that no one know how to exploit it ;P |
| 08:31.16 | BoomerBile | got 8 floppy cases full of software for it |
| 08:31.41 | BoomerBile | back in lxde now |
| 08:31.44 | vvande | I have 360k and 1200k 5.25 drives as well as 3.5" drives. Very useful for writing images for vintage crowd. |
| 08:31.45 | BoomerBile | to hell with kde lol |
| 08:32.01 | mike-zal | uh, I started to feel young although 40 is breeding down my neck, thank you guys ;) |
| 08:32.08 | BoomerBile | both of my drives (1541 and 1571) are 5.25 |
| 08:32.17 | vvande | kde has a lot of glitches for me, but I stick with it because nothig else can configure the way I like. |
| 08:32.35 | BoomerBile | i gave up on configuring the wm, i like them to stay out of my way now |
| 08:32.42 | BoomerBile | the less i see of them the better |
| 08:32.48 | BoomerBile | which is why i like lxde |
| 08:32.54 | vvande | makes sense |
| 08:33.02 | BoomerBile | super light on memory, ultra fast |
| 08:33.09 | vvande | fast is good |
| 08:33.18 | vvande | memory doesn't matter since it's cheap |
| 08:33.27 | mike-zal | also prefer lxqt for work |
| 08:33.27 | BoomerBile | has a super light panel and you can put launchers on it easy |
| 08:33.37 | BoomerBile | you can remap all the key shortcuts in a text file |
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| 08:33.49 | BoomerBile | that's all i need from a wm |
| 08:34.15 | BoomerBile | i like the look of qt |
| 08:34.19 | BoomerBile | i don't like their licenses |
| 08:34.20 | vvande | I think the problem nowadays is that the browser is like another OS. |
| 08:34.21 | mike-zal | not me, at least not on home computer. |
| 08:34.24 | BoomerBile | i don't like the build weight |
| 08:35.07 | mike-zal | lol, true. browser is the heaviest program you can run. even games don't use so much resources |
| 08:35.18 | vvande | browser is a problem |
| 08:35.40 | vvande | I have 200-300 tabs open right now and FF is not liking it. |
| 08:35.52 | mike-zal | vvande: did you try vivaldi browser or min browser? the second one is ultra minimalistic |
| 08:35.54 | vvande | I have a feeling it's not tested for people who scale things. |
| 08:36.11 | vvande | mike-zal: I need the colors and stuff. |
| 08:36.14 | mike-zal | vvande: did you use grouping tabs? |
| 08:36.19 | BoomerBile | qtcore: 5 minutes, 9 seconds for 28 merges |
| 08:36.19 | vvande | tabs down the side |
| 08:36.32 | vvande | and in about 25 windows |
| 08:36.36 | BoomerBile | lxde-common: 13 seconds for 9 merges |
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| 08:36.49 | BoomerBile | as you can see |
| 08:36.52 | BoomerBile | lxde builds fast |
| 08:37.09 | BoomerBile | granted i have a compile farm |
| 08:37.14 | BoomerBile | it's still fast |
| 08:39.20 | mike-zal | as to plasma intel bug: read this (Intel GPUs part): https://community.kde.org/Plasma/5.6_Errata |
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| 08:40.51 | BoomerBile | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:41.11 | BoomerBile | Mon Jun 27 17:48:29 2016 >>> dev-qt/qtcore-4.8.6-r2 |
| 08:41.11 | BoomerBile | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:41.17 | BoomerBile | and that's just qtcore |
| 08:41.28 | BoomerBile | doesn't include all the other things that lxqt needs with the core |
| 08:41.36 | BoomerBile | and also lxqt |
| 08:41.57 | BoomerBile | i can merge all the other lxde things as well before you can build qtcore |
| 08:42.17 | BoomerBile | Sun Jul 12 02:11:00 2015 >>> x11-wm/fluxbox-1.3.7-r2 merge time: 2 minutes. |
| 08:42.32 | BoomerBile | even faster than fluxbox |
| 08:43.06 | BoomerBile | i'm not using the intel card though |
| 08:43.27 | BoomerBile | i specifically have the nvidia driver selected in my xorg.conf |
| 08:43.53 | BoomerBile | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.13 | BoomerBile | I also have 2 screens configured which kde is ignoring |
| 08:44.26 | BoomerBile | kde is not supposed to be responsible for configuring my screens |
| 08:44.31 | BoomerBile | it's a DE not X |
| 08:44.33 | mike-zal | I know, just saying. you asked what bug so I gave details |
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| 08:44.40 | BoomerBile | the kde team is overstepping their bounds |
| 08:45.22 | BoomerBile | disabling compositing altogether |
| 08:45.25 | BoomerBile | alright i could do that |
| 08:45.32 | BoomerBile | or i can just keep running lxde with compton |
| 08:45.39 | BoomerBile | beautiful compositing |
| 08:45.43 | mike-zal | yes, that's an option in compositor settings |
| 08:45.53 | BoomerBile | i turned it off in kde |
| 08:45.54 | BoomerBile | didn't help |
| 08:46.00 | BoomerBile | they mean disabling it with xorg |
| 08:46.04 | BoomerBile | which i won't do |
| 08:46.22 | mike-zal | you chance from opengl to xrandr and see if it makes any difference |
| 08:46.26 | itnex | what |
| 08:46.43 | BoomerBile | you mean xrender |
| 08:46.51 | BoomerBile | xrandr is not for compositing |
| 08:47.02 | BoomerBile | nor rendering |
| 08:47.07 | mike-zal | yes, xrender |
| 08:47.16 | BoomerBile | i.e. software rendering |
| 08:47.19 | BoomerBile | no thanks |
| 08:48.03 | mike-zal | hmm... plasma can work with other compositors as well from what I heard. maybe it will work with compton? |
| 08:48.14 | BoomerBile | i quit using kde when they went to 4, cause it was littered with bugs, now it seems 2 or 3 times worse |
| 08:48.27 | BoomerBile | if i could see anything in kde, i would try it |
| 08:48.35 | BoomerBile | unfortunately i can't even get a menu |
| 08:49.08 | mike-zal | that's bad |
| 08:49.32 | BoomerBile | i just get render artifacts everywhere |
| 08:49.35 | mike-zal | I guess you're left with file editing then |
| 08:49.49 | BoomerBile | not worth my time, i just need kate |
| 08:49.50 | mike-zal | find what edit and where |
| 08:50.03 | BoomerBile | i got the color scheme working now so i am back to lxde |
| 08:53.20 | BoomerBile | wow |
| 08:53.22 | BoomerBile | this is bad lol |
| 08:53.36 | BoomerBile | the kde monitor settings works fine OUTSIDE of kde lol |
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| 08:57.23 | BoomerBile | hmm |
| 08:57.29 | BoomerBile | kde apps aren't following the setting |
| 08:57.40 | BoomerBile | text area is black but the app is white still |
| 09:01.46 | vvande | which apps? |
| 09:01.49 | BoomerBile | oh sweet |
| 09:01.51 | BoomerBile | i got it |
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| 09:02.00 | BoomerBile | apparently for some reason kate is using gtk3 |
| 09:02.17 | BoomerBile | maybe cause i'm launching it from a gtk window manager instead of kde |
| 09:06.01 | BoomerBile | cool |
| 09:06.10 | BoomerBile | there's a port of oxygen for gtk |
| 09:06.17 | BoomerBile | so now lxde looks like kde |
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| 09:11.21 | BoomerBile | sweet |
| 09:11.24 | BoomerBile | finally |
| 09:11.35 | BoomerBile | thanks for all the help guy's i'm out |
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| 09:42.27 | redeyedman | I have problem |
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| 09:42.37 | redeyedman | http://i.imgur.com/Pvmuucr.png ksystemsettings energy saving module doesn't fit to my height /1366x768 |
| 09:43.07 | redeyedman | I can't use buttons ok/cancel |
| 09:45.46 | redeyedman | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.27 | redeyedman | I even can't resize it :( |
| 09:47.34 | redeyedman | that's why I need buy bigger monitor only for KF5/Plasma5 |
| 09:50.35 | redeyedman | dear developer, please don't do hardcode any windows size, thanks |
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| 09:59.54 | hurikhan77 | redeyedman: you can resize it when started from within systemsettings and not standalone |
| 10:02.48 | redeyedman | it should be resized standalone |
| 10:03.16 | redeyedman | and hardcoding window size is very very bad idea |
| 10:05.41 | redeyedman | well it sounds like someone should change or sell own laptop with mentioned resolution because of size-hardcoded windows :) |
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| 10:16.58 | makinen | m |
| 10:18.41 | hurikhan77 | redeyedman: well, it's not exactly hard-coded, it's a size constraint... you can actually make it larger just not smaller. the full system settings put the window into a scrollable container |
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| 10:20.56 | DexterF | hi! |
| 10:22.10 | DexterF | I run the ancient KDE3 packages provided by SuSE 42.1. all fine and dandy for me, and the ol' kde3 does quite a fine job keeping the session but for one applciation, that being the recently installed vivaldi browser which does not come up along the rest after a reboot. |
| 10:22.48 | DexterF | now, is there something vivaldi cannot provide or am I missing something? |
| 10:23.06 | hurikhan77 | anyone knows why the activity switcher shows the switcher twice? when opening the activity manager by hotkey, it is shown correctly. when tabbing through the activities, it's shown twice - https://youtu.be/sge3tv4RmNs |
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| 10:24.09 | svuorela | DexterF: iirc apps need to interact with xsmp in orter for that o actually work. |
| 10:25.24 | DexterF | svuorela: that's an X thing than rather then kde3 specific? Good chance I can bug the authors about that then |
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| 10:27.11 | svuorela | yeah. |
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| 10:31.47 | redeyedman | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=365281 |
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| 10:42.25 | redeyedman | KF5 isn't for poor users, I understood |
| 10:45.30 | hurikhan77 | redeyedman: you could try a different theme and a little smaller font size. default settings and breeze are not really made for small screen resolutions |
| 10:46.51 | redeyedman | btw KDE Team should define recommended requirements for KF5/Plasma5 especially for display resolutions and with capital letters "DO NOT USE 1368x768 display because it is deprecated!" |
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| 10:48.09 | redeyedman | there are still many windows in KF5 that aren't fit to height |
| 10:48.21 | svuorela | redeyedman: I'm sure patches are more than welcoe. |
| 10:48.34 | svuorela | even patches that just adds a scrollbar to such windows |
| 10:48.34 | redeyedman | indeed |
| 10:48.56 | svuorela | (I have a hidpi monitor, so I don't see it, and my motivation is primarily driven by things I see) |
| 10:49.04 | redeyedman | I'll try to make patch |
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| 10:50.01 | svuorela | if you put the patch on rviewboard or phab, and add the plasma team, I'm sure they will review fast. If they fail to review a patch in 2-4 days, feel free to add me. |
| 10:50.05 | redeyedman | svuorela: you don't see what? a probrem? |
| 10:50.15 | hurikhan77 | the problem is maybe that devel machine are usually pretty high end... you need a highres display to do serious development, a good cpu for all the compilations, fast storage, etc |
| 10:50.59 | svuorela | redeyedman: I have 1800 pixels in the height on my laptop. I don't notice things hardcoded to values lower than that. |
| 10:51.53 | hurikhan77 | and it's open source: there's not enough man power among the developers to test all use cases, it's very dependent on the community |
| 10:53.16 | svuorela | I fully acknowledge that it is a problem, which is also why I'm volunteering to help review such patches. |
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| 11:10.26 | redeyedman | well, I have to buy new monitor wih 1920x1080, but anyway KDE Team made me hurt |
| 11:11.35 | redeyedman | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:12.12 | hurikhan77 | redeyedman: that resolution works for me without problems |
| 11:12.36 | mike-zal | what is kf5 exactly? |
| 11:13.04 | redeyedman | 5.7 |
| 11:13.33 | redeyedman | 16.04 |
| 11:13.43 | redeyedman | plasma and kf5 |
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| 11:26.14 | mike-zal2 | redeyedman: not sure what f stands for in kf plasma is plasma. never heard of naming plasma as kf, so it still confuses me |
| 11:26.26 | Pinaraf | hi, I just got a KMail upgrade on my Debian sid, switch from KMail 4.x to 5.2.2… it went very smoothly, the new version handles some of my huge mail threads just better… so for once on this channel, let's have a positive message : thanks guys, great job :) |
| 11:26.56 | redeyedman | mike-zal2: there is no KDE5 |
| 11:27.09 | redeyedman | there is KF5 |
| 11:27.22 | mike-zal2 | I know. I have a feeling I'm asking one thing and you are telling other. |
| 11:27.46 | mike-zal2 | ah, you mean framework? |
| 11:27.55 | redeyedman | yes |
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| 11:28.34 | mike-zal2 | should have said it right from the start. was just confused because never heard about kf abbreviation and that could mean anything |
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| 11:30.12 | redeyedman | KDE Team should accep only 4K and deprecate 1920x1080 hehe, then I just purge new KF5 :) |
| 11:30.23 | redeyedman | accept* |
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| 11:32.07 | redeyedman | it is modern DE |
| 11:35.00 | Somebody | Hello. Is there any reason Baloo file search shouldn't work both from KRunner and Dolphin in Tumbleweed with KDE 5.6.4? |
| 11:35.36 | redeyedman | it is good news then :) |
| 11:36.19 | Somebody | It is not finding files that are there, like my index haven't been updated for a while. |
| 11:39.10 | Somebody | File Indexer Monitor does not open, either. |
| 11:40.19 | mike-zal2 | then it's better to delete index file and run baloo anew |
| 11:40.45 | Somebody | Now my KRunner won't open at Alt+Space, either, odd. |
| 11:41.01 | Somebody | mike-zal2: Is that in the documentation somewhere? Seems counter-intuitive to me. |
| 11:41.40 | mike-zal2 | yeah, there are some easy commands how to manage baloo, there are to find on google. haven't use them since months so I don't have the on my fingertips |
| 11:42.10 | mike-zal2 | just go to the baloo folder, delete index file and use command to run baloo, it may take even 2 or more hours thou |
| 11:42.18 | Somebody | I see, thanks. But why wouldn't "File Indexer Monitor" GUI thing in KDE open? |
| 11:42.25 | Somebody | I assume it means something is broken. |
| 11:42.26 | mike-zal2 | also check baloo configuration. |
| 11:42.40 | mike-zal2 | yeah, it looks that way |
| 11:43.03 | mike-zal2 | have you tried reboot? maybe it's some malfunction in this session? |
| 11:44.19 | Somebody | No, I haven't rebooted for a few days. Why would I need to? |
| 11:44.25 | Somebody | Isn't that a Windows thing? |
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| 11:51.27 | mekeor | hello Qties. my plasma broke: i can't right-click on my desktop anymore. also, krunner doesn't search anything anymore. what can i do? |
| 11:51.53 | mekeor | i tried removing plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc as described at http://superuser.com/a/946207 but it didn't help. |
| 11:52.03 | Somebody | mekeor: Join the club on KRunner, don't know what's up with right-click. What's your distro and KDE versions? |
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| 11:53.38 | mekeor | Somebody: debian testing, kde 5.6.5 |
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| 11:56.23 | somebody | mike-zal2: Oddly enough, rebooting helped bring Baboo to sanity. |
| 11:57.15 | mike-zal2 | it's not so odd ;P |
| 11:57.48 | mike-zal2 | my experience is, sometimes after upgrades systsem malfunctions and reboot is needed |
| 11:58.04 | mike-zal2 | in theory reboot shouldn't be needed but often is |
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| 11:58.36 | mike-zal2 | and once in a while something errors out in a session and doesn't work, reboot again solves problem |
| 11:59.31 | somebody | That's odd, I thought Linuxes didn't need to be rebooted to stay healthy. I guess this doesn't apply to desktops... |
| 12:01.36 | mike-zal2 | correct. no reboot needed is only general idea but in some cases reboot must be done. for example if you delete akonadi suite, its processes will still be on, even if you relog session. they are gone only after reboot |
| 12:02.34 | mike-zal2 | also, sometimes something goes wrong, zobie process is there blocking somthing, again, no better way to solve it as reboot. computers do make errors so reboots are good ways to refresh them |
| 12:03.42 | somebody | Yes, Zypper says "processes use deleted files" on openSUSE after you upgrade. I wonder, how difficult it would be to build systemd (or whatever compomnent is responsible) so that wouldn't be needed? It's a bit bothersome. |
| 12:04.55 | mike-zal2 | well, I suspect it would be possible to do somthing like that but it would last and was prone to another errors so I guess that's a stupid job that nobody wants to do, reboot does it anyway. |
| 12:05.24 | mike-zal2 | it's still hell better experience to upgrade linux then windows |
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| 12:07.44 | somebody | Ah, certainly! I heard that 10 got a bit better at this that it's predecessors, though. |
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| 12:11.59 | e-anima | latest update rules big again. my taskbars are broken. monitor 3 shows the programs that are on monitor 2 and monitor 2 sows the programs on 3. monitor 1 amd 4 seem ok |
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| 12:15.42 | mekeor | somebody: so, krunner neither work for you? |
| 12:16.25 | e-anima | anyone else has that problem. why do kde always break with so simple stings. is it because if you have 4 monitors? maybe |
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| 12:45.25 | somebody | mekeor: I rebooted, not it works. It was more of a Baloo issue. |
| 12:45.25 | mekeor | how can i reset all plasma settings to default? (especially those settings which could affect right-click because right-clicking on desktop and panel doesn't do anything for me.) ~ any help? :/ |
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| 12:47.16 | somebody | mekeor: I don't think this has much to do with settings. |
| 12:47.37 | mekeor | somebody: what could it be instead? :O |
| 12:47.56 | somebody | A KDE bug. |
| 12:49.41 | somebody | I didn't see you mention your distro & KDE versions? |
| 12:50.31 | mekeor | somebody: yeah, i replied while u were rebooting. i'm running kde 5.6.5 on debian testing |
| 12:50.51 | somebody | Ah, right. |
| 12:51.13 | somebody | Well, this may be a 5.6.5 things, since I'm on 5.6.4 and it's working okay. |
| 12:51.33 | somebody | Try asking at the Debian's testing mailing list, or their IRC. |
| 12:51.50 | somebody | I don't think that messing with settings will bring you anything good. |
| 12:52.41 | mekeor | somebody: alright, thank you. have a nice day, my friend :) |
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| 12:53.17 | somebody | Likewise. Don't let the bugs bite! :) |
| 12:55.56 | kalib | Hello guys. I am running archlinux. My KDE Plasma was working really nice until the last update (yesterday). I usually runs my laptop with a second screen connected through HDMI. After the update, It's hard to get my two screens working fine at the same time. If I boot my laptop with the HDMI cable already plugged, the second screen comes up all black, while working, and I can move windows to that black screen, |
| 12:55.58 | kalib | but the reight click of the mouse doesn't work there, so I can't change the background and etc.. If I shutdown the laptop, remove the hdmi cable, and boot it with only the laptopt screen, and after logged, I connect the HDMI cable, my second screen works fine, recognizing the wallpaper it was setted before the update, and everyhthing else. |
| 12:56.17 | kalib | I am suspecting is seome configuration issue.. some trash before the update that is breaking it now. |
| 12:56.45 | kalib | How can I delete my kde configurations to boot it as a fresh kde plasma? perhaps this will solve the issue. |
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| 12:59.50 | mekeor | kalib: hahah, i just asked a quite similar question.... |
| 12:59.59 | mekeor | kalib: are you also running kde plasma 5.6.5? |
| 13:00.03 | kalib | did you solve your issue? |
| 13:00.25 | mekeor | kalib: i also upgraded yesterday and now my right-click doesn't work anymore. i'm running debian testing. |
| 13:00.32 | mekeor | kalib: i didn't find any solution yet |
| 13:00.48 | mekeor | kalib: it's probably (just) a bug, i guess? |
| 13:01.36 | kalib | I'm wondering if removing all the configs for kde/plasma would solve it.. Like I used to do years and years ago, before plasma.. with regular kde.. removing .kde directory |
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| 13:01.54 | kalib | and the version I am using is 5.7.0-1 |
| 13:02.15 | mekeor | kalib: i tried this http://superuser.com/a/946207 and it didn't work |
| 13:02.36 | mekeor | kalib: i don't think it's a configuration issue anymore... |
| 13:06.07 | kalib | mekeor: I think it is.. because the version you are using was working fine for me. |
| 13:06.16 | kalib | I am not using the same version as you. |
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| 13:08.05 | mekeor | kalib: wait. how do i found out the version of my plasma desktop? i used "plasmashell --version". or should i do it differently? |
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| 13:08.41 | kalib | [kalib@tuxcaverna ~]$ plasmashell --version |
| 13:08.43 | kalib | plasmashell 5.7.0 |
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| 13:13.02 | kalib | I will be right back.. trying something.. |
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| 13:22.27 | kalib | ok, it solved |
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| 13:24.43 | kalib | mekeor: solved for me.. |
| 13:24.50 | kalib | did it.. rebooted.. working fine so far.. |
| 13:25.04 | mekeor | kalib: what did u do? |
| 13:25.27 | kalib | removed the configuration file.. (actually, created a backup before that.. |
| 13:25.31 | kalib | plasma-org.kde.plasma.desktop-appletsrc |
| 13:25.42 | kalib | and... kbuildsycoca5 && kquitapp plasmashell && kstart plasmashell |
| 13:25.48 | mekeor | okay |
| 13:25.53 | kalib | after this, it worked fine.. but, to make sure.. I rebooted.. |
| 13:25.59 | kalib | and is still fine. |
| 13:27.26 | kalib | mekeor: that's what you tried? |
| 13:27.32 | mekeor | kalib: yeah |
| 13:27.52 | kalib | mekeor: did you also tried jozxyqk's suggestion on that same link? |
| 13:28.05 | mekeor | kalib: nope |
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| 13:28.20 | mekeor | kalib: i'm only using 1 screen, so i don't think it would work |
| 13:28.37 | kalib | oh, I see... it's a different case. |
| 13:28.50 | mekeor | kalib: i think it's a debian-issue. i'm figuring it out on #debian-kde@irc.debian.org |
| 13:29.08 | mekeor | kalib: yeah, but i'm glad it worked for you :) |
| 13:29.23 | kalib | ok.. well, good luck.. I don't have a debian here to test it.. |
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| 13:40.11 | mekeor | kalib: just for the record: i fixed my issue by installing libkf5plasma5 and plasma-framework from debian-unstable :) |
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| 13:43.46 | kalib | mekeor: cool |
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| 13:50.52 | jwmto | Using plank on KDE and it only runs on one desktop. How can I get it to stick so that it's on all desktops? Any help appreciated. |
| 13:50.54 | BluesKaj_ | Hiyas all |
| 13:51.25 | jwmto | If there is a better channel in which to ask this question that wold also be apprecated advice |
| 13:53.05 | jwmto | Another way to generalize my question would be: Is there a way to make a program that doesn' show up in the tray run on all desktops? |
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| 13:58.09 | jwmto | Gotta go. I'll check back |
| 13:58.14 | mike-zal2 | jwmto: in the right side of title bar you have an icon |
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| 13:58.33 | mike-zal2 | click there and you can set a program to appear in all desktops |
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| 15:22.35 | jwmto | Mike, normally I would do it that way, but a dock is not a program with a regular window structure and title bar, etc. |
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| 15:48.44 | Exairnous | can I ask plasmoid dev questions here? |
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| 16:34.28 | GreatEmerald | I keep all of my passwords in KWallet. All of them. So if the plan is to kill off KWallet, I really hope that the replacement has all of the functionality of KWallet |
| 16:36.17 | GreatEmerald | Namely the integration with all desktop apps and the browser, the ability to view them and export them as plain text |
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| 17:29.20 | Juan | When mounting my dvd unit in dolphin as a regular I see garbage files, but using mount -t iso9660 as root lets me browse correctly |
| 17:29.43 | Juan | Is there any chance that dolphin isn't mounting as iso9660? |
| 17:30.58 | rindolf | Juan: hi. |
| 17:31.05 | Juan | Hello |
| 17:31.18 | rindolf | Juan: what happens when you mount it as a user? |
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| 17:32.01 | Juan | It mounts it, but depending on the disc it shows random files with random names and sizes |
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| 17:33.07 | rindolf | Juan: also from the command line? |
| 17:33.19 | Juan | As I said, if I mount manually it works |
| 17:33.40 | rindolf | Juan: but you mounted manually as root. |
| 17:33.53 | Juan | Yes, the mount command requires privileges |
| 17:34.02 | rindolf | Juan: what happens if you mount it as a regular user from the command line? |
| 17:34.06 | rindolf | Juan: ah. |
| 17:34.38 | rindolf | Juan: then I have no idea how it works in dolphin. |
| 17:35.00 | Juan | All good man, thanks for trying to help |
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| 17:49.43 | |Defiler| | hey guys |
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| 17:54.55 | |Defiler| | I don't want to get on people's nerves, but I have an issue with KDE on Debian/testing (plasma-desktop:4:5.6.5-1). It seems that the KMenu-Widget as well as KRunner do not perform lookups for the entered text, which renders this functionality broken (for me). Does anyone have a suggestion where I should start? |
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| 18:02.06 | |Defiler| | .wat |
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| 18:27.22 | Exairnous | anyone know anything about plasma applet scripting? |
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| 19:04.26 | Zren | Exairnous, a little, why? |
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| 19:05.06 | Exairnous | Zren: I just need to know how to get the current desktop |
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| 19:05.23 | Zren | like, which number? |
| 19:05.33 | Exairnous | exactly |
| 19:06.17 | Exairnous | I can't have different wallpapers in 5 so I thought I'd build an applet to tell me which desktop I'm on |
| 19:06.40 | Zren | Like the pager? |
| 19:06.46 | Exairnous | yes |
| 19:07.30 | Zren | https://github.com/KDE/plasma-desktop/tree/master/applets/pager |
| 19:07.34 | Exairnous | I've got it's code, but I'm not really sure how it does it, and I can't find any documentation online |
| 19:07.37 | Zren | Others: https://github.com/Zren/plasma-applets/tree/master/com.github.zren.example#other-examples-repositories |
| 19:07.42 | Zren | ah |
| 19:08.24 | Exairnous | I think I need to import the kwin javascript api, but I'm not sure how |
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| 19:18.47 | Zren | Exairnous, https://i.imgur.com/0Phy4Dl.png |
| 19:19.14 | Zren | https://github.com/KDE/plasma-desktop/blob/master/applets/pager/plugin/pager.h |
| 19:24.37 | Exairnous | it works !!! :) Thank You |
| 19:24.52 | Exairnous | I didn't even need to do any c++ |
| 19:25.50 | Exairnous | Zren: Just for fun, where would I have put pager.h? |
| 19:26.29 | Zren | Uh, Iunno. |
| 19:26.44 | Zren | Haven't really explored the c++ part of things. |
| 19:26.45 | Exairnous | ok :) |
| 19:27.03 | Exairnous | no, there isn't any docs that I've found |
| 19:27.52 | Exairnous | *aren't |
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| 19:29.03 | Exairnous | it doesn't show up with the widgets after being installed with plasmapkg2, any ideas? |
| 19:29.39 | Exairnous | It used to, but I probably messed something up in the metadata.desktop |
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| 19:30.59 | Zren | it "used to"? |
| 19:31.25 | Zren | what command did you run? |
| 19:31.33 | Zren | -u or -i? |
| 19:31.49 | Exairnous | plasmapkg2 --install plasmoid |
| 19:32.10 | Exairnous | from the plasmoid folder |
| 19:32.51 | Zren | plasmoid is the folder which contains metadata and contents? |
| 19:33.04 | Exairnous | yes |
| 19:33.33 | Zren | Folder exists in ~/.local/share/plasma/plasmoids? |
| 19:33.53 | Exairnous | yes |
| 19:34.01 | Exairnous | and it's now working |
| 19:34.25 | Zren | huzah! |
| 19:34.33 | Exairnous | I think it was that I had X-KDE-ServiceTypes as X-Plasma-ServiceType |
| 19:35.36 | Exairnous | now for one last thing ;) any idea how to remove that square frame thats usually around all applets? |
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| 19:36.53 | Zren | for a desktop widget? |
| 19:36.55 | Zren | uh |
| 19:36.56 | Zren | nope |
| 19:37.16 | Exairnous | darn, not a big deal but would have been nice |
| 19:37.26 | Exairnous | icons don't have it for some reason |
| 19:39.38 | Exairnous | Zren: a screenshot of the working widget for you: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/104955 |
| 19:39.57 | Zren | oh snap |
| 19:39.59 | Zren | pretty |
| 19:40.20 | Exairnous | yeah, with that neat bitmap font :D |
| 19:40.47 | Zren | https://github.com/KDE/plasma-desktop/blob/master/containments/desktop/package/contents/ui/AppletAppearance.qml#L67 |
| 19:41.26 | Zren | Try a property string backgroundHints: "NoBackground" |
| 19:41.38 | Zren | or backgroundHints: "NoBackground" if the property already exists |
| 19:41.40 | Zren | in your main.qml |
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| 19:43.00 | salamanderrake | where does kde/plasma5 mount phones? |
| 19:43.26 | Zren | https://github.com/KDE/kdeplasma-addons/blob/master/applets/notes/package/contents/ui/main.qml#L51 |
| 19:43.37 | Zren | Exairnous, Notes does it. |
| 19:44.30 | Zren | <3 my https://www.google.ca/search?q=site%3Agithub.com%2Fkde%2F+%s Search Engine. |
| 19:45.09 | Zren | It's actually documented too. https://api.kde.org/frameworks/plasma-framework/html/classPlasma_1_1Types.html#ab2b1c1767f3f432a0928dc7ca6b3f29e |
| 19:47.35 | Zren | salamanderrake, It's usually mounted to /media/$USER/PhoneName/ I think. |
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| 19:50.19 | salamanderrake | its not mounted there Zren |
| 19:50.50 | Exairnous | salamanderrake: try run/media/<yourusername> |
| 19:51.31 | salamanderrake | nope |
| 19:52.08 | Zren | Hmmm. My MotoG shows up as mtp:/XT1034/ in dolphin. |
| 19:53.11 | salamanderrake | same |
| 19:53.21 | salamanderrake | but is that mounted in the file system though |
| 19:53.41 | salamanderrake | I can get mtp: or camera: depeding on which option I choose whin I plug it in |
| 19:53.59 | salamanderrake | the device notifyer |
| 19:54.20 | salamanderrake | if I choose portable media player its camera: and I can see previews of images. |
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| 20:02.15 | Exairnous | Zren: for some reason the hint isn't working, it should be under the root item right? |
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| 20:07.23 | Zren | yep |
| 20:07.32 | Zren | Worked for me in kde neon https://i.imgur.com/gJJPrbr.png |
| 20:08.25 | Exairnous | what is your root item? Item {} or something else |
| 20:08.31 | Zren | ah, that line was added 2014, so it's not an old version. |
| 20:08.35 | Zren | Item |
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| 20:11.22 | Exairnous | ah, works now. I think I needed to restart plasmashell :) |
| 20:12.00 | Zren | ah ya |
| 20:13.35 | Exairnous | requisite screenshot: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/104958 |
| 20:18.46 | Exairnous | and if anyone's interested here is a link to the bitmap technique I used for qml: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16404657/bitmap-fonts-in-qt-quick-qml |
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| 20:39.13 | adastra | after looking at the current release of digikam and how they mention the effort of moving away from KDE deps and make it purely qt5 I have hopes about konsole making it qt standalone. |
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