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00:36.15Zren<3 the new volume boost api. https://streamable.com/oqt4
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01:38.45vbgunzwhen a plasma panel goes missing and takes with it a bunch of widgets, is there an easy way to get it back?
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02:13.24vbgunzone of my biggest pet peeves with opening windows on a multi monitor setup is, windows almost always open up in the middle of the monitors (probably due to different resolutions). Is it possible to make sure all windows only greater than a certain size are initially shrunk to a size that is comfortable in either resolution?
02:18.33vbgunzhmm. forcing windows to open up under my mouse seem to have the effect that I need.
02:19.55vbgunzsome windows don't go under the mouse sometimes. wierd
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04:00.09paranoidabhihi
04:00.29paranoidabhiany ideas on this one http://askubuntu.com/questions/795169/kde-slow-boot-on-kubuntu-16-04?
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04:06.01hikmettry disabling bluetooth, sudo systemctl disable bluetooth.service
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04:13.25paranoidabhihikmet, anything else?
04:15.10paranoidabhihikmet, do you think that is the main cause?
04:16.36hikmetalso in Settings -> Start Up & Shutdown -> Desktop Sessions/On Login and change the setting to "Start with an Empty Session"
04:16.46hikmetthese worked for me
04:17.57paranoidabhihikmet, already done that
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04:37.12awilfoxso kuiserver5 is using 100.0% CPU for some number of hours now
04:37.40awilfoxthis is on gentoo x86_64 using qt 5.6 and KF5 5.23
04:37.47awilfoxit just started, but my session has been up for 7 days
04:38.09awilfoxI noticed that when it started doing this, spectacle died, and plasmashell also broke (chewing 100% CPU also)
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07:35.03amsharmais there a plugin for dolphin that can color folders?
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07:35.22amsharmaand works on plasma 5?
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07:45.22ShalokShalomhnn, the scroll feature of my touchpad is from time to time disabled, since the update from 5.6.95 to 5.7
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08:30.38vbgunzhello fellas, I'm bit by the 30 second login if I use a splash theme. If I choose None, it takes a second, any other in Fedora 24 and it's 30. Can I at least change the wallpaper of "None"?
08:37.18ShalokShalomis it just me or are there dozens of pictures of somebody else shiped with plasma-mediacenter 5.7?
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09:10.48blablablubhi everyone..   short question:  I just moved from kubuntu 16.04  to neon. Everything works really well.. except for the system tray ..  for some reason some applications do not sho up there (like skype,dropbox, owncloud, konversation..  looks liek mostly non-kde applications.   But also Kontact with Kmail doesn't show up there ... )
09:10.50blablablubany idea?
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09:25.41lordievaderGood morning.
09:28.19leszekblablablub: for skype I think you need sni-qt package installed. The rest should use legacy tray support xembed-sni-proxy. Not sure how the package is called. In Ubuntu they call it plasma-systray-legacy
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09:46.57AciD`is there a way to configure kmix so that the sound volume up/down keyboard shortcuts are tied to a specific channel? (ie. master, but without setting PCM, Front and Surround at 100% whenever I use that shortcut). tl;dr how to make the volume up/down affect only the master channel?
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10:06.17BluesKajHey folks
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11:28.13anonkunHey guys
11:28.30anonkunwhy does the bug report submitter on kde always keep on saying "not enough information"
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11:31.18cousin_luigiGreetings.
11:31.40cousin_luigiWhere do I set font aliases on kde4? E.g. serif, sans-serif...
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11:36.32arvutcousin_luigi: upgrade to plasma, kde4 isn't supported anymore
11:37.01cousin_luigiarvut: Will do in a few months. Meanwhile I'd like to know.
11:37.10hateballSpeaking of, topic talks about 5.6 while 5.7 is out
11:37.28arvutcousin_luigi: meanwhile you might not get much support on the matter ;)
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11:45.33cousin_luigiarvut: I'm a patient man.
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12:14.47rdieter_workcousin_luigi: font aliases are a fontconfig thing (not kde), typically controlled by /etc/fonts/...
12:15.35rdieter_workor per user under ~/.config/fontconfig/
12:15.53cousin_luigirdieter_work: I see. Thanks.
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12:36.55MarcoPauHi, is there any UI program that helps configuring the ethernet devices? Thanks
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12:38.11FuchsMarcoPau: yes, there is a network manager plasmoid which should sit in the systray and allow configuration for at least NetworkManager, which most distributions use
12:39.05MarcoPauFuchs: I have that but it looks like I can configure the connections, not the device itself i.e. setting up DHCP or fixed IP
12:40.37FuchsMarcoPau: you can add a connection for dhcp or a static IP and bind it to a specific device, but yeah, otherwise that is handled a bit differently per distribution and you have to edit their files, I'm afraid
12:42.46MarcoPauFuchs: allright that means I need to seach for distribution-specific apps/widgets?
12:43.10Fuchsmaybe for some there aren't any, even
12:43.14Fuchsbut rather configuration files
12:43.19MarcoPauFuchs: gotcha. thanks!
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12:43.51Fuchsyou're welcome
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16:41.34mahesh5when i build using cmake  it gives a error "KF5Config.cmake not found" i google but thats not solve the problem. anyone please help me
16:42.26mahesh5I am using Ubuntu Mate 16.04
16:42.34thiagowhere is that file?
16:43.04mahesh5thiago: which file?
16:43.24thiagothere's only one file mentioned in the last 2 hours in this channel and you mentioned it
16:43.29thiagoKF5Config.cmake
16:44.07mahesh5I don't know i first time build a Kde project
16:44.11rdieter_workyou're missing KConfig framework -dev package (depends on your distro what that's called)
16:44.30rdieter_work(assuming you're using distro packages, and not building it yourself)
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16:46.05mahesh5rdieter_work: then what should i do to build it?
16:46.34rdieter_workmahesh5: install the package from your distro (you may have to ask in your distro support channel what the pkg name is)
16:47.01rdieter_workmahesh5: or search for anything named 'kconfig'
16:47.10rdieter_workshould give you a good start
16:47.34rdieter_work(search for any distro *package* named that specifically)
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16:48.01rdieter_workmahesh5: what are you trying to build that needs KF5Config.cmake ?
16:48.13rdieter_workI suspect you'll need more than just that one item
16:48.20thiagoKF5Config has nothing to do with KConfig
16:48.27mahesh5Kanagram project
16:48.38rdieter_workthiago: the framework is called kconfig
16:49.00thiagoI know, but that's not it
16:49.13thiagoKF5Config.cmake is the main config file for KF5
16:49.17thiagonot KF5's kconfig file
16:49.35rdieter_workah, tis true
16:50.46rdieter_workmahesh5: there should be a distro specific command that will automatically install all the dependencies for you, I'm just not familiar with the debian/ubuntu way of doing it off the top of my head
16:51.09rdieter_workmahesh5: maybe, apt-get build-dep kanagram
16:53.31mahesh5rdieter_work: it gives error "Unable to find a source package for kanagram"
16:53.54rdieter_work:(  your distro's default repos don't include kanagram apparently, boo
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16:54.32mahesh5rdieter_work: what distro i should use?
16:54.53arvutmahesh5: what distro do you use now?
16:55.04rdieter_workmahesh5: your distro is fine, you just need to ask them for help (or wait for someone here with more ubuntu-fu than me)
16:55.21rdieter_workarvut: ubuntu mate 16.04
16:55.32arvutk
16:55.48arvutmahesh5: do you want to learn more?
16:56.03mahesh5arvut: yes
16:56.16rdieter_workarvut: they need the build dependencies for kanagram
16:56.16arvutmahesh5: www.gentoo.org
16:56.46rdieter_workthough not sure how a gentoo site will help a ubuntu user find packages
16:57.02arvutmahesh5: I used ubuntu too, then went to gentoo, it was a good learning experience
16:57.25rdieter_workmahesh5: try #ubuntu or #kubuntu yet?  If not, there may be a better place to ask for distro-specific help
16:57.42arvutmahesh5: I think you will find it rather suitable for development, if that is what you do
16:58.46mahesh5arvut,rdieter_work:Thanks
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17:18.42asterismohi, is there any search tool? like for searching for any file or folder? some similar to CatFish from XFCE?
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17:31.29ahjolinnaasterismo: isnt krunner enough? (alt+f2)
17:32.42asterismoi was talking about something more serhing intensive, options and stuff
17:32.58asterismoahjolinna: i have many option of krunner disabled for it to be fast
17:33.40ahjolinnahow slow PC have u? because I havent notice any "slowness"
17:34.05ahjolinnaokay I have latest hardware
17:35.06ahjolinnaasterismo: what distro/KDE versio are you using anyway?
17:35.20asterismodebian jessie
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17:35.49ahjolinnakde 3 ? :D
17:37.22asterismo4
17:37.38ahjolinnaOH BOY
17:37.46gorg86hello
17:37.48asterismo?
17:37.56asterismoahjolinna: are you trolling me?
17:38.02ahjolinnaasterismo: kde 4 is EOL
17:38.10gorg86kde on debian derp
17:38.10ahjolinnanobody wont help with KDE4 stuff
17:38.52gorg86nobody wont? so everyone will
17:38.59asterismoahjolinna: as far as i can see, this is a KDE channel
17:39.01ahjolinnaI hate debian because it uses so old tech/software
17:39.10asterismook thanks
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17:39.38ahjolinnasigh
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17:41.56gorg86will the patch for this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346961 be backported to plasma 5.6.5 ?
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17:47.34ahjolinnagorg86: isn't that distro decision to patch their plasma (5.6.5) release?
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18:24.17XwZhi, I have an issue with clock in panel, the timezone in kde is Europe/Paris but the time shown is UTC, any idea ?
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18:30.31ZrenWhat command does the update icon in the systray use?
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18:30.55ZrenBecause it detects new updates, but until I run "apt update" in the console, Discover won't detect them.
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18:52.37kfirferHi I have neon 5.7.0 and I have lots of bugs
18:52.44kfirferhow I downgrade to 5.6.5 ?
18:53.32ahjolinnawhy not ask #kde-neon
18:53.39ahjolinnaand tell them of your bugs
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18:54.20ahjolinnaI havent  had any big/many bugs with 5.7, it has been great...best kde release in a long time
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18:54.32ahjolinnakfirfer: ^
18:54.59kfirferYou are using 2 monitors ?
18:55.07ahjolinnayeah
18:55.12ahjolinnalong time
18:55.16kfirferFrom desktop or laptop ?
18:55.21ahjolinnadesktop
18:55.25kfirferIm using laptop
18:55.28ahjolinnafrom p5.1 time
18:55.40kfirferconnected to VGA and to HTMI
18:55.43kfirferHDMI
18:55.55ahjolinnaVGA -_-
18:56.06ahjolinnaoh god
18:56.16kfirferYes its still exists
18:56.30kfirfereven in new PCs
18:56.37ahjolinnawell it shouldnt
18:56.54kfirferIPV4 shouldnt
18:57.26ahjolinnahere in Finland we moved to IPv6 last year
18:57.59kfirferstill major parts in the world using IPv4
18:58.06ahjolinnaoc
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19:02.10ahjolinnaoh right I forgot it's football time here in europe (Portugal-Wales)
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19:03.34ahjolinnakfirfer: btw. do u use vga to hdmi?
19:03.46kfirferNo
19:04.54kfirferseparates ports
19:05.23ahjolinnaif u cant explain the problem, what about a video to show?
19:05.45kfirferI'm able
19:06.14kfirferI will go to reset my PC and make a video
19:06.19kfirferbe right back
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19:14.10kfirferBack
19:14.54kfirferhttps://youtu.be/hBZvG7Rf8mI
19:15.22kfirferSorry for the resolution, I going to upload another one with higher
19:17.42ahjolinnau have problems with the task-manager ?? (that has a new backend in 5.7)
19:17.59ahjolinnakfirfer: ^
19:18.20kfirferWhat do you mean ?
19:18.41kfirferThey rewrite the task manager as far as i know
19:19.06kfirferAlso the wallpaper doesnt appear in both screens
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19:19.51ahjolinnahave u tried to set a wallaper to the 2nd screen?
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19:22.00kfirferCant even click right click mouse on the black screen to get the desktop settings
19:22.32kfirferThe video got HD resolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBZvG7Rf8mI
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19:22.57ahjolinnau should tell that
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19:29.32kfirferhttps://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=309&t=133754
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19:31.37ahjolinnakfirfer: my guess is that it is a kwin problem, I would ask mgraesslin  (kwin maintainer) he at least in #plasma ...not now/today
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19:32.14kfirferahjolinna: Thanks
19:33.13ahjolinnakfirfer: and Riddell is kde-neon guy
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19:34.17kfirferI heard about Riddell in the internet before
19:35.09kfirferOn some article when I moved from kubuntu to neon
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19:36.17paranoidabhihi
19:36.44kfirferHow hard is to me if I will try to get to the source and fix it by my own ?
19:36.51paranoidabhimy kde boot is very slow.
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19:42.29ahjolinnakfirfer: one thing u can do is to debug plasma...first close plasmashell ( kquitapp5 plasmashell) and then run in terminal "gdb plasmashell"
19:43.13ahjolinnaand post the output after the usage, here : http://paste.kde.org/
19:44.06ahjolinnaparanoidabhi: ssd or HDD?
19:44.25paranoidabhihdd
19:45.35ahjolinnawell its way slower...but it could be kubuntu problem...u should ask them #kubuntu http://kubuntu.org/community/
19:47.23kfirferI tried to gdb but nothing has shown up
19:47.31kfirferonly gdb console
19:47.59ahjolinnaafter that
19:48.05ahjolinnawrite run
19:48.08ahjolinnajust run
19:48.26ahjolinna"gdb plasmashell" -> "run"
19:48.37ahjolinnakfirfer: ^
19:50.17kfirferI going to restart my pc and try it
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19:50.22kfirferI will post the out put
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19:54.25kfirferThis is quite wired
19:54.38ahjolinna?
19:54.42kfirferwhen I kquit my plasmashell and run with debug mode
19:54.49kfirferevery thing back to normal
19:54.53kfirferbug is gone
19:54.56ahjolinna:D
19:55.08kfirferbut when I restart my PC, its back
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19:56.05kfirferSorry
19:56.07kfirferI wasnt here
19:56.28kfirferWhen I quitted from debug mode, the IRC window killed
19:57.12kfirferSo when I restart my pc, I should kill my plasmashell and open it again
19:57.27kfirferOpen the plasmashell with root or with the regular user?
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19:59.02kfirferNvm i must to go
19:59.07kfirfercya tomorrow
19:59.20kfirferBut anyway every reset will take me back to the bug
19:59.25kfirfercya
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20:55.50somebodyHey. I just updated to Plasma 5.6.4 and system notifications are not dislplayed on the lower-right edge of the screen anymore, howering over the panel in a few inches, for some reason.
20:55.55somebodyIs this a bug, or a feature?
20:58.42ahjolinna<PROTECTED>
20:59.14FLHernesomebody: They hover slightly here with 5.7
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20:59.26FLHerneEqual distance from the panel and from the right-hand screen edge
20:59.45FLHerneSo I'd guess it's intended
21:00.00somebodyFLHerne: No, no. I mean, they hover as if there was one more notification underneath.
21:00.19somebodyBut there isn't.
21:00.22FLHerneAh, no, that's almost certainly a bug :P
21:01.00FLHernesomebody: What Qt version do you have? Qt 5.6.0 had a ridiculous number of geometry bugs
21:01.12FLHernes/geometry //
21:01.45somebodyFLHerne: 5.6.1
21:02.14FLHerneOh, okay
21:04.06FLHerneWhat Plasma version did you update from?
21:05.48somebodyI am not sure, let me check that.
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21:15.06somebodyFLHerne: What is name of the package I am looking for the version of?
21:15.34somebodyAlso, what are you going to do with this information? :P
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21:21.49Guest_84755Allah is doing
21:22.01Guest_84755sun is not doing Allah is doing
21:22.10Guest_84755moon is not doing Allah is doing
21:22.22Guest_84755stars are not doing Allah is doing
21:22.31Guest_84755planets are not doing Allah is doing
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21:22.42Guest_84755galaxies are not doing Allah is doing
21:22.55Guest_84755oceans are not doing Allah is doing
21:22.57JucatoGuest_84755: this is not the place for that
21:23.04Guest_84755mountains are not doing Allah is doing
21:23.12Guest_84755trees are not doing Allah is doing
21:23.18Guest_84755mom is not doing Allah is doing
21:23.24Guest_84755dad is not doing Allah is doing
21:23.30Guest_84755boss is not doing Allah is doing
21:23.38Sho_what's allah's take on plasma 5.7?
21:23.45Guest_84755job is not doing Allah is doing
21:23.45Sho_i think it's pretty doing personally
21:23.56Guest_84755dollar is not doing Allah is doing
21:24.03Guest_84755degree is not doing Allah is doing
21:24.13Guest_84755medicine is not doing Allah is doing
21:24.26Guest_84755customers are not doing Allah is doing
21:24.37Sho_i wonder if he's pasting the rest of the line or typing it anew each time
21:24.45Sho_basically, is Guest_84755 doing or not ...
21:24.58Guest_84755you can not get a job without the permission of allah
21:25.15Jucatovery fast typer if that's the case
21:25.25Sho_Jucato: he seems to get a lot of practice
21:25.55Jucatoand so it seems
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21:26.38Guest_84755you can not get married without the permission of allah
21:27.02Sho_but you can get Plasma 5.7 without the permission of Allah
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21:27.10Sho_Plasma - It's doing[TM]
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21:28.24Guest_84755nobody can get angry at you without the permission of allah
21:29.21somebodythinks thinks Allah just game him a permission to be annoyed with Guest_84755 . :)
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21:30.18Guest_84755light is not doing Allah is doing
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21:31.13FLHerneI think we understand your opinion on Allah's doings by now
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21:34.17nowbootedhow do i fix nvidia video tearing? using KWin/plasma 5.6, nvidia proprietary driver
21:35.55somebodyFLHerne: Were you going anywhere with questions on Plasma versions?
21:37.49FLHernesomebody: Not particularly, just trying to get more info to look at (changelogs, maybe commits since working version)
21:38.07somebodyFLHerne: Probably the previous 0.1 version.
21:38.16FLHerneIf it broke since 5.6.0, would be a fairly small number
21:38.30somebodyYes, probably last 0.0.1.
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21:48.52FLHerneThe only commit I found so far that looks relevant is this, and that was in 5.5.3... https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=plasma-workspace.git&a=commitdiff&h=0c6b354b7e22297544f1d37608d6fdcd777c4d52
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21:49.59FLHerneAnd a couple of later ones, also in 5.5.x
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21:52.42FLHerneBleh, no idea :-/
21:54.14FLHerneThere's nothing remotely relevant-looking in the applet itself since 5.6, and I don't know enough about the dependencies
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22:17.01somebodyEh, it's probably going to be fixed... eventually.
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22:28.55psifidotosHello, I would like to ask... Do you know if Plasma's Discover application should work correctly in openSuse?
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22:35.30somebodypsifidotos: I am on openSUSE, but I never heard about this application. What does it do?
22:36.43psifidotossomebody: http://www.proli.net/2016/05/31/discover-in-plasma-5-7/
22:37.22somebodypsifidotos: Ah, this is an easy question. Neither openSUSE does not have Plasma 5.7 yet.
22:37.23psifidotossomebody: it is an app store, it uses AppStream, it looks pretty nice
22:37.51somebody*has Plasma 5.7 yet
22:38.02somebodyIt's 5.6.4 in Tumbleweed, even earlier one in Leap.
22:38.12psifidotossomebody: There was in Plasma 5.6 also
22:38.12somebodyMaybe later, psifidotos.
22:38.32somebodyI am on 5.6.4 in Tumbleweed and I don't have it installed by default.
22:38.35psifidotossomebody: I am in Leap and I use Plasma 5.7
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22:38.43ahjolinnadoesnt opensuse use/have apper?
22:38.46somebodyHuh, that's odd. Where did you get it?
22:38.59psifidotosthrough, KDE:/Frameworks
22:39.01psifidotosrepo
22:39.21somebodyAh, a third-party repository. Well, that's possible, but I don't do that.
22:39.50somebodyI think you have your answer right there. By default openSUSE doesn't ship that.
22:39.57somebodyDoes it even do anything yet?
22:40.02psifidotoshttps://build.opensuse.org/project/show/KDE:Frameworks5
22:40.23ahjolinnadiscover uses packagekit so it should work with zypper
22:40.33psifidotosIt does, but there is a warning-error
22:40.34ahjolinnaI dont know how well
22:41.06somebodyI think that if they don't ship it, it isn't going to work well.
22:41.11somebodyPackage managers are tricky.
22:41.24psifidotosthat says, "Please make sure that AppStream is properly set up in your system"
22:41.31ahjolinnazypper is package manager
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22:41.59psifidotosI was waiting for many years for an app store in opensuse
22:42.19psifidotosI like Apper and Yast (for package management)
22:42.41somebodyWhat do you want to do with it, as of right now? It's really new, so it's going to be really desolate.
22:43.06ahjolinnaso u mean u want app store like "UI/UX"....like discover has, more or less
22:43.10psifidotosthe tricky thing is that I think all the pieces needed ar present...
22:43.23psifidotosare present *
22:43.38psifidotosahjolinna: yes
22:44.29ahjolinnai never understood why opensuse picked apper insted of discover
22:44.42somebodySo, is Discover essentially an nicer GUI for a package manager?
22:44.49ahjolinnayeah
22:45.03somebodyDo you mean YaST2? I don't know what Apper is, and I'm on Tumbleweed.
22:45.13ahjolinnahttps://software.opensuse.org/package/discover
22:45.24psifidotoshttps://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/Muon_Discover
22:45.48ahjolinnahttps://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/Muon_Discover#Layout_Design
22:46.07ahjolinnathose have been some of the ideas what it could look in the future...
22:46.16somebodylikes the news, but isn't really interested enough to look at the links.
22:46.27somebody...But, better GUIs are always nice.
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22:47.07ahjolinnaI cant wait when VDG UI/UX work starts to arrive to KDE :P
22:47.08psifidotosI asked because it is working in some point...
22:47.26psifidotosand mockups look pretty...
22:47.49somebodyThis is interesting, ahjolinna. Can you give me a link to those mockups?
22:47.58ahjolinnapsifidotos: well this more opensuse question/problem and not kde
22:48.07ahjolinnasomebody: https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/Muon_Discover#Layout_Design
22:48.33psifidotosI asked in suse channel but didnt get a response...
22:48.50ahjolinnaisnt there a kde suse channel?
22:48.54somebodypsifidotos: Well, it's not here yet.
22:49.09somebodyahjolinna: Not as far as I know! There's #suse.
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22:49.34ahjolinna#openSUSE-kde
22:50.00psifidotosThank u !!
22:50.15ahjolinnawasnt that hard to find: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:IRC_list
22:50.56psifidotosSometimes.... Thinking stops from the big effort! :)
22:52.17ahjolinnaopensuse and kde and others ...many are from europe, so many are sleeping already
22:53.01ahjolinnaso don't expect fast response
22:53.42psifidotoscould be...
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22:54.57ahjolinnathe IRC is way more active on "europe time"
22:55.30ahjolinnaonly reason why I'm awake is because I have nothing to else to do
22:55.34psifidotosahjolinna: it is strange because openSuse supports packagekit and appstream so I was hoping that I just hadnt installed something important...
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22:55.59psifidotos:-)
22:56.38ahjolinnayeah, I dont know why discover doesnt work/exist at all on opensuse
22:57.00ahjolinnabtw. its almost 2am here Finland -_-
22:57.39somebodyahjolinna: "Why" of it is not a hard question, it's almost certainly just a matter of limited resources. :)
22:58.01ahjolinnayeah...no :D
22:58.06psifidotosreally? it is 2am in Greece also...
22:58.20somebodythinks that half of Freenode may be here due to not having anything better to do.
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